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Kickass
10-30-2010, 09:01 AM
Location: Sannin Battlefield
SoM: Bloodlusted
Distance: Short Range
Restrictions: Contract Seal

who wins this?
Kuromaki
10-30-2010, 09:07 AM
Minato wouldn't have won if it wasn't for that seal he had prepared at his house, and default BG rules say that they can't go outside of the battlefield.
The 1st Hokage
10-30-2010, 09:15 AM
Minato's prep he had in to earlier battle saved his ass. He doesn't have that prep here. Madara takes this.
tyrell4life194
10-30-2010, 09:17 AM
Minato defeating Madara was blatant PnJ. Madara stomps this.
gama-sennin
10-30-2010, 09:28 AM
Minato wouldn't have won if it wasn't for that seal he had prepared at his house, and default BG rules say that they can't go outside of the battlefield.

That seal never played any role other than the time when he rescued Naruto...This time there is no Naruto to be rescued, no (Kushina's) seal to strengthen, no Kyuubi to seal and no village to save..

Minato's prep he had in to earlier battle saved his ass. He doesn't have that prep here. Madara takes this.

Mianto's seal Kunais(is his pockets or hands) are his standard weapons...He needs prep if and only if he wants to spread the kunais all over the battle field..

Minato defeating Madara was blatant PnJ. Madara stomps this.

No it was not..There is difference between that fight and the great snake escape or sending the explosion to other dimension at thelast moment or pulling a hawk outta nowhere

There is no doubt that Minato will lose this fight but it will be only because of Izanagi and nothing else...
Kuromaki
10-30-2010, 09:30 AM
Madara was about to warp Minato away when a seal he had at his house saved him.
tyrell4life194
10-30-2010, 09:31 AM
Minato would've gotten warped away if it wasn't for his seal. Madara nearly killed Naruto also.
gama-sennin
10-30-2010, 09:31 AM
Madara was about to warp Minato away when a seal he had at his house saved him.
Let me check the chapter...
Kuromaki
10-30-2010, 09:32 AM
Let me check the chapter...
Chapter 502 page 9-10.
gama-sennin
10-30-2010, 09:41 AM
Chapter 502 page 9-10.

Yeah...I just checked that chapter and I dont think Minato used the kunai that he had set up at his house..On page 7 he had a marked kunai in his hand and the same kunai is later shown on page 10...
tyrell4life194
10-30-2010, 09:44 AM
That was still Blatant PnJ. Kishimoto only let Minato win, so Naruto would survive.
Kuromaki
10-30-2010, 09:45 AM
Yeah...I just checked that chapter and I dont think Minato used the kunai that he had set up at his house..On page 7 he had a marked kunai in his hand and the same kunai is later shown on page 10...
Now I'm confused... How do you know that was the same one? :lol:

It's been shown that the kunai needs to be somewhere else for Minato to teleport. It's not like he can insta teleport with one in his hand.
tyrell4life194
10-30-2010, 09:48 AM
He can't. In order for the FTG to work, he needs to use a special seal (which he puts on his kunai) and mark the destination. Madara would've warped him away if he didn't had that kunai. Thus, proving that it was blatant plot.
gama-sennin
10-30-2010, 09:49 AM
Now I'm confused... How do you know that was the same one? :lol:


Er..There is a kunai in his hand on page 7 and he stabbed at Madara with the same kunai...On page 10 there is no kunai in his hand and there is one marked kunai stuck right next to him, as if it was thrown a few moments ago...

I dont think I understand that myself...xD


It's been shown that the kunai needs to be somewhere else for Minato to teleport. It's not like he can insta teleport with one in his hand.Yeah...Setting up the seals comes under prep...
tyrell4life194
10-30-2010, 09:57 AM
I wonder how Minato actually sends to kunai to their location at long distances. Probably that seal guides them.
Kuromaki
10-30-2010, 10:01 AM
Maybe he warped the kunai there 8D
tyrell4life194
10-30-2010, 10:07 AM
Well, I don't like to debate for the FTG because it's a very hard jutsu to actually learn from. What bothers me is the distance that the kunai has to take in order to mark that destination. Minato has to throw the kunai to a certain location, whether the destination is short or long. But what I don't get is, how do the kunai get there? Is it the seal that's making the kunai reach that location? Kishimoto needs to try to explain these things much more clearly when he writes the manga.
Akatsuki X
10-30-2010, 09:26 PM
Madara warps Minato away.
Instantly.

Plus, of the off-set that Minato grows some braincells and tries to use something which might actually give him the upperhand, such as Gamabunta, Madara has Izanagi,

something he didn't have in their previous fight.
tyrell4life194
10-31-2010, 09:08 AM
Someone lock this thread, cause Madara warps Minato away.
supersaiyan146
11-03-2010, 04:56 AM
That was still Blatant PnJ. Kishimoto only let Minato win, so Naruto would survive.

How abt this then...

Kishimoto made sure that Minato's rasengan hit Madara on his arm and not the back of his neck thus not killing him so that he could continue the series....


By short distance how short?

Like he doesn't even have enough time to throw his kunai?

In that case Minato loses....

If Minato has even one Kunai on the battlefield Madara can't warp him away since he has knowledge on Madara's teleportation ability....

He's shown to be a more skilled fighter than Madara....So there is more than a chance that he will beat him again...

Izanagi wouldn't work once Madara is tagged...plain and simple....
Devil's Lawyer
11-03-2010, 06:20 AM
Same results as the first time. Madara tries to warp Minato he catches a rasengan to the face. The fact that he teleported away last time Madara tried to warp him shows that he could easily counter. A point blank during Madara attack also works. Just reference the Konan fight she was going to be warped.
Yori
11-03-2010, 06:53 AM
Minato had prep walking in the first match. Madara wins
Devil's Lawyer
11-03-2010, 11:25 AM
current Madara would take it but not the one who fought Minato. As I said before Madara can easily be countered by Minato with a rasengan.
tyrell4life194
11-03-2010, 11:26 AM
current Madara would take it but not the one who fought Minato. As I said before Madara can easily be countered by Minato with a rasengan.
Proof? I would like to know please.
Snake1993
12-13-2010, 03:07 PM
in the manga minato ends up hitting madara with rasengan. isnt that proof enough that minato can defeat him?
Kuromaki
12-13-2010, 04:07 PM
in the manga minato ends up hitting madara with rasengan. isnt that proof enough that minato can defeat him?
He had seals prepared at his house to escape Madaras warping.
Snake1993
12-14-2010, 02:02 PM
i changed my mind. madara wins because hes immortal. and has the rinnengan now besides sharingan. Minato can hit him as much as he want, he cant die and when minatos tired, madara has an opportunity to take him down. look what happened to konan she had planned so much explosives on the water and after 10 minutes of explosions she thought he died but he didnt. So i think madara takes this.
Shikamaru Nara
12-14-2010, 02:09 PM
i changed my mind. madara wins because hes immortal. and has the rinnengan now besides sharingan. Minato can hit him as much as he want, he cant die and when minatos tired, madara has an opportunity to take him down. look what happened to konan she had planned so much explosives on the water and after 10 minutes of explosions she thought he died but he didnt. So i think madara takes this.

Man, you're pretty persistent.

Madara isn't immortal. He's intangible for when he's on the defense. He's not able to keep this up while he attacks. The best Taijutsu feats he's shown was when he kicked Naruto which wasn't very hard considering that he came up close to him.

He can't die? Really? Because I don't remember proof of that either. Like I said before - his intangibility only lasts until he attacks.



That's funny, I don't remember him doing anything with it. He's obtained it. And now what?


I am disproving your statements that have been made without any proof.

The only reason that Madara survived that was because Kishi saved him with the almighty plot. There was no way that Madara could've lived through that attack, had he not have had the storyline on him.

Though I still say that in the end, Madara wins.
tyrell4life194
12-14-2010, 02:48 PM
Well, even though Madara required the Rinnegan, his abilities have yet to be shown with the Rinnegan. Also, besides taking a hit from a Rasengan, Madara has shown no speed feats nor has he shown any durability feats. He has extremely warping skills though, and his Space/Time Jutsu doesn't require seals, unlike Minato's FTG Technique. Madara will eventually win.
ItachixKisame
12-15-2010, 01:36 PM
Someone lock this thread, cause Madara warps Minato away.

Well, if I remember correctly Minato avoided Madara's warp.
tyrell4life194
12-15-2010, 01:37 PM
The reason why he avoided Madara's warp was because Minato already prepared the FTG sealed kunais that were in his house.
ItachixKisame
12-15-2010, 01:39 PM
The reason why he avoided Madara's warp was because Minato already prepared the FTG sealed kunais that were in his house.

Well it doesn't matter where they are but if he had one already set then he could avoid it. This is kinda offtopic but we haven't seen much Minato in action so I think we don't know everything about him and his skills. Or am I horribly wrong?
tyrell4life194
12-15-2010, 01:54 PM
Well it doesn't matter where they are but if he had one already set then he could avoid it. This is kinda offtopic but we haven't seen much Minato in action so I think we don't know everything about him and his skills. Or am I horribly wrong?
If he marks the distance, then he should be able to avoid it. But, remember, it takes prep time for him to mark the distance. It takes Madara nearly no prep time for him to warp someone away.
ItachixKisame
12-15-2010, 01:56 PM
If he marks the distance, then he should be able to avoid it. But, remember, it takes prep time for him to mark the distance. It takes Madara nearly no prep time for him to warp someone away.

Chapter and page for proof that the seals require prep time, please? :)
tyrell4life194
12-15-2010, 01:59 PM
If he marks the distance, then he should be able to avoid it. But, remember, it takes prep time for him to mark the distance. It takes Madara nearly no prep time for him to warp someone away.Read the comment. Now, the reason why I said, "it takes prep time for him to mark the distance," is because it takes a few seconds for the kunai to reach that destination.

Chapter and page for proof that the seals require prep time, please? :)
In red.
ItachixKisame
12-15-2010, 02:00 PM
M'kay. Though this depends on how fast he throws the kunai and all.
tyrell4life194
12-15-2010, 03:24 PM
Of course. And he can throw kunai extremely fast.
supersaiyan146
01-01-2011, 08:28 AM
The reason why he avoided Madara's warp was because Minato already prepared the FTG sealed kunais that were in his house.

Agreed prep helped the first time...But at that moment Minato had no Idea what Madara could do...It was kind of an ambush on Madara's part....

This time around he knows whats in store and I'm sure there will be atleast one Kunai on the battle field before Madara touches Mnato and thats all he needs to avoid the warp....
Kuromaki
01-01-2011, 11:53 AM
Agreed prep helped the first time...But at that moment Minato had no Idea what Madara could do...It was kind of an ambush on Madara's part....

This time around he knows whats in store and I'm sure there will be atleast one Kunai on the battle field before Madara touches Mnato and thats all he needs to avoid the warp....
they don't have prep, and it's short range.

Also "Madara" has the Rinnegan now. it's not a far stretch to say he can use the Six Paths powers, since he can use Human Path's soul suck.
tyrell4life194
01-01-2011, 04:09 PM
Correct. Also, whoever aquired the Rinnegan, will most likely use the Sage's powers.
Devil's Lawyer
01-01-2011, 05:21 PM
Minato loses horribly. His death can be contributed to Kishimoto trolling him. Only four jutsu shown and two of them are really that significant. Summoning Gama and Rasengan both moves that would be countered by Madara at ease with Izanagi or his intangibility jutsu. Then Minato other Jutsu requires some prep one of which the death seal results in his death.
tyrell4life194
01-01-2011, 06:50 PM
Also, since Madara has aquired all of the Sage's Powers, as well as the Izanagi, he should be able to take this. That, and with intangiblility and his extreme warping skills.
supersaiyan146
01-01-2011, 08:13 PM
they don't have prep, and it's short range..

By prep I meant he had seals placed well ahead...that helped him...

U mean FTG is short ranged?
Kuromaki
01-01-2011, 08:17 PM
By prep I meant he had seals placed well ahead...that helped him...

U mean FTG is short ranged?
No but in short range he can easily warp behind Minato before he gets to do much of anything.

And with new Rinnegan powers, I doubt Minato would stand a chance anyway.
supersaiyan146
01-01-2011, 09:51 PM
No but in short range he can easily warp behind Minato before he gets to do much of anything.

And with new Rinnegan powers, I doubt Minato would stand a chance anyway.

Yeah..I've already said that in one of my earlier posts...If Minato manages to throw atleast one kunai...the he wont get warped away by Madara...

We are yet to see what Minato is fully capable of...As of now Madara with Rinnegan powers wins....
ItachixKisame
01-02-2011, 03:20 AM
Minato loses horribly. His death can be contributed to Kishimoto trolling him. Only four jutsu shown and two of them are really that significant. Summoning Gama and Rasengan both moves that would be countered by Madara at ease with Izanagi or his intangibility jutsu. Then Minato other Jutsu requires some prep one of which the death seal results in his death.

Yeah surely he would use Izanagi if he wanted to lose his only sharingan.