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zerosameri
10-16-2010, 04:48 PM
She is not the best Ninja in the village
She let a little kid (Naruto), fight her fight, against Kabuto. Naruto won
When trying to get Sasuke back, she sent some Gennin, while an ANBU could of got him back with no problem
She made the matter worse, when he sent Naruto and the gang (look now, all because of sasuke XD)
She is scared of blood, and war is bloody. Not a good Combo

Now lets Pin her against some of the other Hokages

1st Hokage
Fought Madara
Founded the Konoha
The greatest and only (minus Yamato) Wood
The leader of the Senju clan
Fought against Madara again (Well Madara has his body and we don't know how he died. So just a guess)
Hokage and the leader of the Senju clan
Could use PTJ like Minato

2nd Hokage
Had the greatest Water jutsu's
The 1st Hokage brother
Fought the Cloud Ninja Kinkaku
Went into battle wail in War
Lead a team
Made ET

3rd Hokage
Fought against Orochimaru
Fought against 1st Hokage
Fought against the 2en Hokage
Fought against the Kyuubi
Became Hokage 2 times

4th Hokage
Nuff said


Now lets pin her up to a random Ninja. Oh how about Naruto.


Naruto Now he only needs a simple 1 2 liner
Is strong than tsunade by fair and is the strongest Ninja in Konoha
-RS


Lets see what Tsunade has done compared to everyone
Green
1st Hokage
Fought Madara Nope
Founded the Konoha Nope
The greatest and only (minus Yamato) Wood Nope
The leader of the Senju clan Nope
Fought against Madara again (Well Madara has his body and we don't know how he died. So just a guess) Nope
Hokage and the leader of the Senju clan Nope
could us STJ Nope

2nd Hokage
Had the greatest Water jutsu's Nope
The 1st Hokage brother Nope
Fought the Cloud Ninja Kinkaku Nope
Went into battle wail in War And did nothing useful
Lead a team
Made ET Clearly No

3rd Hokage
Fought against Orochimaru Nope
Fought against 1st Hokage Nope
Fought against the 2en Hokage Nope
Fought against the Kyuubi Nope
Became Hokage 2 times Nope

4th Hokage
Nuff said She's pitiful compared to him


Now lets pin her up to a random Ninja. Oh how about Naruto.


Naruto Now he only needs a simple 1 liner
Is strong than tsunade by fair and is the strongest Ninja in Konoha She wishes
RS ...

lolohwd
10-16-2010, 04:50 PM
would she technically be the "strongest" ninja tho?

zerosameri
10-16-2010, 04:55 PM
would she technically be the "strongest" ninja tho?
Naruto kicks her ass when he blinks XD, so no.

lolohwd
10-16-2010, 05:10 PM
i meant in terms of physical capacity

well i guess you can say shes not a leader. shes like general who just tells people what to do and has made mistakes cough jiraya cough. but shes a good medical ninja.. who coulndt get out of a comma im confused

nine tailed sasuke
10-16-2010, 05:13 PM
yeah konahomaru would be a better hokage

deidara#1
10-16-2010, 05:15 PM
Why are people starting to hate Tsunade all of a sudden?
Is it that we are starting to see other kages power?

zerosameri
10-16-2010, 05:17 PM
i meant in terms of physical capacity

well i guess you can say shes not a leader. shes like general who just tells people what to do and has made mistakes cough jiraya cough. but shes a good medical ninja.. who coulndt get out of a comma im confused
Naruto is physical strong still. Tsunade needs chakra help for her.

Sakura's better in terms of medical help :lol:

lolohwd
10-16-2010, 05:18 PM
she may not be strong but at least she lead the rebuilding of the village when oro blew stuff up.

TheBlackChidori
10-16-2010, 05:33 PM
http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4171284#post4171284

Vivi
10-16-2010, 05:36 PM
She is not the best Ninja in the village
She let a little kid (Naruto) fight her fight against Kabuto. Naruto won
When trying to get Sasuke back she sent some Gennin wail and ANBU could of got him back no problem
She made the matter worse when he sent Naruto and the gang (look now. All because of sasuke XD)
She is scared of blood, and war is bloody. Not a good Combo

Now lets Pin her against some of the other Hokages

1st Hokage
Fought Madara
Founded the Konoha
The greatest and only (minus Yamato) Wood
The leader of the Senju clan
Fought against Madara again (Well Madara has his body and we don't know how he died. So just a guess)
Hokage and the leader of the Senju clan

2nd Hokage
Had the greatest Water jutsu's
The 1st Hokage brother
Fought the Cloud Ninja Kinkaku
Went into battle wail in War
Lead a team

3rd Hokage
Fought against Orochimaru
Fought against 1st Hokage
Fought against the 2en Hokage
Fought against the Kyuubi
Became Hokage 2 times

4th Hokage
Nuff said


Now lets pin her up to a random Ninja. Oh how about Naruto.


Naruto Now he only needs a simple 1 liner
Is strong than tsunade by fair and is the strongest Ninja in Konoha


Lets see what Tsunade has done compared to everyone
Green


I like how you think the Hokage just needs to be strong when it's way more than that.

Lady Tsunade
10-16-2010, 05:38 PM
She is not the best Ninja in the village
She let a little kid (Naruto) fight her fight against Kabuto. Naruto won
When trying to get Sasuke back she sent some Gennin wail and ANBU could of got him back no problem
She made the matter worse when he sent Naruto and the gang (look now. All because of sasuke XD)
She is scared of blood, and war is bloody. Not a good Combo

Now lets Pin her against some of the other Hokages

1st Hokage
Fought Madara
Founded the Konoha
The greatest and only (minus Yamato) Wood
The leader of the Senju clan
Fought against Madara again (Well Madara has his body and we don't know how he died. So just a guess)
Hokage and the leader of the Senju clan

2nd Hokage
Had the greatest Water jutsu's
The 1st Hokage brother
Fought the Cloud Ninja Kinkaku
Went into battle wail in War
Lead a team

3rd Hokage
Fought against Orochimaru
Fought against 1st Hokage
Fought against the 2en Hokage
Fought against the Kyuubi
Became Hokage 2 times

4th Hokage
Nuff said


Now lets pin her up to a random Ninja. Oh how about Naruto.


Naruto Now he only needs a simple 1 liner
Is strong than tsunade by fair and is the strongest Ninja in Konoha


Lets see what Tsunade has done compared to everyone
Green


1] Nor was the Second Hokage, of the Third Hokage in his old age, or Danzo should he have become Kage, or Kakashi

2] She was paralysed because of a blood phobia. She couldnt really do much. Besides, Kabuto lost. Whats to complain about.

3] Jonin got their assed kicked by the Sound 4. You think ANBU would be any different? Genin were selected by Shikamaru Nara - a Chunin, not Tsunade. The Village was also low on Jonin at that time, due to having lost so many in Orochimarus invasion. She needed those Jonin for other missions, and in the filler arc before that, where Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura have to act as bodyguards to Idate Morino, we learn that the Villages Jonin are all on missions.

4] She didn't send them. Shikamaru did. And obviously she didn't know what would happen. She didn't even predict such things, since she had only met Naruto and Sasuke.

5] She was scared of blood before her reign. So that has no impact on her role as Kage whatsoever.


1st Hokage

Granted.

2nd Hokage

- Having great water jutsu doesnt have an affect on his role as Kage
- Nor does being Hashiramas brother
- Nor does fighting someone we have no knowledge on
- Tsunade went into War before her reign, and according to Jiraiya, was the main reason Konoha won. There hasn't been a war since her reign. Thus she needed not fight.
- Granted, however he didn't teach them. Tsunade taught Sakura and Shizune
- He made the Konoha Police Ops, and is one of the main reasons Senju had such a bad relationship with the Uchiha, because he kept having ANBU spy on them and reveal his distrust for the Uchiha.

3rd Hokage

Granted.

4th Hokage

Granted.

Naruto

Sure, he's a good fighter. But currently, putting him as Hokage would be like dropping a Boulder off a cliff and hoping it'll fly. Sure, he's powerful, but he has very little intelligence, meaning he could most certainly not act as any sort of tactician for Konoha, fill out complex paperwork, assign missions, or discuss important matters involving Konoha logically. He also has very little battle experience. Meaning he couldn't plan out battle very well and would further decrease his ability as a tactican. He'd suck as Hokage.

Tsunade

- Had about 30 years of battle experience, a brilliant tactician
- Taught by the Third Hokage
- Taught Sakura and Shizune
- Rebuilt Konoha, twice
- Saved every single villager from Peins CST
- Saved Naruto four times from Orochimaru [Doesnt affect Role as Kage, but plot]
- Introduced idea to put more medics on squads. To increase survival rates of missions. This has as we've seen, been very effective.
- Fought off Orochimaru, to prevent him from attacking Konoha, and gaining the use of his arms
- Saved Rock Lee from death
- Saved Choji from death
- Saved Neji from death
- Had Jiraiya to gather information on Pein, which proved extremely useful later
- Saved Team 10 from The Legendary Stupid Brothers in a filler

Strength isn't everything. Tsunade doesn't have to be the strongest ninja in her Village to be Hokage, she is just the most suitable ninja to the position currently. Kakashi doesnt have anywhere near as much experience as she does, so not even he is as suitable. She as a lot whole going for her, in comparison to some other Kage, the Second Hokage in particular.

Jakropha
10-16-2010, 06:14 PM
^^
Clearly a Tsunade fan

If you paid attention to hype
New is in
Grandma's are OOUT!

Tsunade sucks, Im just hyping with it
PS: Your right on Naruto being a dumbass :lol:

Kunoichi
10-16-2010, 07:10 PM
She is not the best Ninja in the village Being a Hokage isn't all about strength, it's also about leadership, making touch choices, and guiding your people. She might not be as strong as say Naruto, but she has a lot more wisdom and battle experiance then he does.
She let a little kid (Naruto) fight her fight against Kabuto. Naruto won she didn't LET him do anything, he showed up and jumped in, besides that's more an example of plot in favor of Naruto to show his own personal growth.
When trying to get Sasuke back she sent some Gennin wail and ANBU could of got him back no problem ok again THERE WERE NO OTHER AVAILABLE NINJA IN THE VILLAGE!!!1!!one!1 She sent who she had with the best chances of success. They were just coming off a massive attack and trying to maintain their power as a top village, she used what she had and had enough forsight to recognize Shikamaru's ability as a skillful tactition and leader.
She made the matter worse when he sent Naruto and the gang (look now. All because of sasuke XD) Shika was the one that grabbed Naruto, she told Shika to take who he could find, besides if Naruto hadn't gone do you REALLY think he'd still have given up on getting the Sauce back? dude no way.
She is scared of blood, and war is bloody. Not a good Combo She's worked past that, she's lived through one of the great ninja wars and come out alive. She's also renown for being one of the greatest medical ninja of all time DESPITE having personal issues.
Now lets Pin her against some of the other Hokages

1st Hokage
Fought Madara
Founded the Konoha
The greatest and only (minus Yamato) Wood
The leader of the Senju clan
Fought against Madara again (Well Madara has his body and we don't know how he died. So just a guess)
Hokage and the leader of the Senju clan

2nd Hokage
Had the greatest Water jutsu's
The 1st Hokage brother
Fought the Cloud Ninja Kinkaku
Went into battle wail in War
Lead a team

3rd Hokage
Fought against Orochimaru
Fought against 1st Hokage
Fought against the 2en Hokage
Fought against the Kyuubi
Became Hokage 2 times

4th Hokage
Nuff said Dude that is so jaded and one sided, I can pull the same crap in reverse, there are tons of notable things that Tsunade has accomplished that none of the other Hokages have done.


Now lets pin her up to a random Ninja. Oh how about Naruto.


Naruto Now he only needs a simple 1 liner
Is strong than tsunade by fair and is the strongest Ninja in Konoha
Again, there are so many ways to measure strength. Being a great leader isn't about being the one with biggest muscles, that's such a narrow way of looking at it. Napolean was known for being small of stature, put him up against someone in a one on one battle he probably doesn't get the upper hand, but put him in a leadership role and the guy conquers. You might try to argue that Naruto is better suited for Hokage but he's still young and has a long way to go before he's ready to carry the responsibility of an entire village.



Lets see what Tsunade has done compared to everyone
Green

FREAKING CYAN!!1 :lol:

deidara330
10-16-2010, 07:23 PM
Being Hokage doesn't mean being the best in the village. Hiruzen wasn't the best in the village when he was Hokage.

She didn't send Genin after Sasuke. She sent a Chunin squad leader after Sasuke, who, if you recall, was the most intelligent of any known Chunin in the Leaf Village. They nearly succeeded. And Tsunade did send the Sand's best Genin to back them up, all of which reached the rank of Jonin or higher no later than 2 1/2 years after that mission. Not to mention the fact that Neji was also Jonin material and on that mission.

In case you haven't noticed, Tsunade isn't afraid of blood anymore.

You listed two things twice for Hashirama. No offense, but Naruto is an incredibly poor example of a random ninja, really.

mrsticky005
10-16-2010, 07:24 PM
I like how you think the Hokage just needs to be strong when it's way more than that.


Actually that's pretty much the point of a Hokage.


The Hokage is the strongest and best fighter in the Leaf.


That's not Tsunade. Yes she is strong but she's not a strong fighter.

Why not?

Because she doesn't fight.

Fighting_dreamer
10-17-2010, 06:59 AM
3rd Hokage
Fought against the Kyuubi


That's not correct..it was the fourth Hokage, Minato who defeated the Kyuubi/nine-tails. This was covered in manga chapters 500-504.

Yes Tsunade might not be as strong as the previous hokages but I don't think there were any better candidates apart from her after the death of the third. The important thing here is that she has been rebuilding/stabilizing the village after it was attacked by Orochimaru.

narutonhinataschild
10-17-2010, 08:09 AM
1] Nor was the Second Hokage, of the Third Hokage in his old age, or Danzo should he have become Kage, or Kakashi

2] She was paralysed because of a blood phobia. She couldnt really do much. Besides, Kabuto lost. Whats to complain about.

3] Jonin got their assed kicked by the Sound 4. You think ANBU would be any different? Genin were selected by Shikamaru Nara - a Chunin, not Tsunade. The Village was also low on Jonin at that time, due to having lost so many in Orochimarus invasion. She needed those Jonin for other missions, and in the filler arc before that, where Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura have to act as bodyguards to Idate Morino, we learn that the Villages Jonin are all on missions.

4] She didn't send them. Shikamaru did. And obviously she didn't know what would happen. She didn't even predict such things, since she had only met Naruto and Sasuke.

5] She was scared of blood before her reign. So that has no impact on her role as Kage whatsoever.


1st Hokage

Granted.

2nd Hokage

- Having great water jutsu doesnt have an affect on his role as Kage
- Nor does being Hashiramas brother
- Nor does fighting someone we have no knowledge on
- Tsunade went into War before her reign, and according to Jiraiya, was the main reason Konoha won. There hasn't been a war since her reign. Thus she needed not fight.
- Granted, however he didn't teach them. Tsunade taught Sakura and Shizune
- He made the Konoha Police Ops, and is one of the main reasons Senju had such a bad relationship with the Uchiha, because he kept having ANBU spy on them and reveal his distrust for the Uchiha.

3rd Hokage

Granted.

4th Hokage

Granted.

Naruto

Sure, he's a good fighter. But currently, putting him as Hokage would be like dropping a Boulder off a cliff and hoping it'll fly. Sure, he's powerful, but he has very little intelligence, meaning he could most certainly not act as any sort of tactician for Konoha, fill out complex paperwork, assign missions, or discuss important matters involving Konoha logically. He also has very little battle experience. Meaning he couldn't plan out battle very well and would further decrease his ability as a tactican. He'd suck as Hokage.

Tsunade

- Had about 30 years of battle experience, a brilliant tactician
- Taught by the Third Hokage
- Taught Sakura and Shizune
- Rebuilt Konoha, twice
- Saved every single villager from Peins CST
- Saved Naruto four times from Orochimaru [Doesnt affect Role as Kage, but plot]
- Introduced idea to put more medics on squads. To increase survival rates of missions. This has as we've seen, been very effective.
- Fought off Orochimaru, to prevent him from attacking Konoha, and gaining the use of his arms
- Saved Rock Lee from death
- Saved Choji from death
- Saved Neji from death
- Had Jiraiya to gather information on Pein, which proved extremely useful later
- Saved Team 10 from The Legendary Stupid Brothers in a filler

Strength isn't everything. Tsunade doesn't have to be the strongest ninja in her Village to be Hokage, she is just the most suitable ninja to the position currently. Kakashi doesnt have anywhere near as much experience as she does, so not even he is as suitable. She as a lot whole going for her, in comparison to some other Kage, the Second Hokage in particular.
:oops:

Naruto's battle prowess and tactical thinking has allowed him to form complex battle schemes in the midst of battle where the pressure is the greatest. Also he dosen't suffer from a great ego, which will allow him to take advice from Shikamaru and Shikaku. Further more without Naruto there would be no Leaf village nor Hokage to oversee it! As for Tsunade she has done a fine job through a difficult situation which has been dumped in her lap by all of the preseeding Hokage and their various mistakes.

Nick Tasogare
10-17-2010, 09:14 AM
She is not the best Ninja in the village
She let a little kid (Naruto) fight her fight against Kabuto. Naruto won
When trying to get Sasuke back she sent some Gennin wail and ANBU could of got him back no problem
She made the matter worse when he sent Naruto and the gang (look now. All because of sasuke XD)
She is scared of blood, and war is bloody. Not a good Combo

Now lets Pin her against some of the other Hokages

1st Hokage
Fought Madara
Founded the Konoha
The greatest and only (minus Yamato) Wood
The leader of the Senju clan
Fought against Madara again (Well Madara has his body and we don't know how he died. So just a guess)
Hokage and the leader of the Senju clan

2nd Hokage
Had the greatest Water jutsu's
The 1st Hokage brother
Fought the Cloud Ninja Kinkaku
Went into battle wail in War
Lead a team

3rd Hokage
Fought against Orochimaru
Fought against 1st Hokage
Fought against the 2en Hokage
Fought against the Kyuubi
Became Hokage 2 times

4th Hokage
Nuff said


Now lets pin her up to a random Ninja. Oh how about Naruto.


Naruto Now he only needs a simple 1 liner
Is strong than tsunade by fair and is the strongest Ninja in Konoha


Lets see what Tsunade has done compared to everyone
Green


Yea, no.

1. As of right now, she is the best candidate for Hokage. But since you seem to disagree, who do you want as Hokage? I'm sure I can repute whoever you say.

2. She was paralyzed from her fear of blood (which she overcame, if you hadn't noticed), and Naruto stepped in to save her. You may or may not remember her telling him not to, and eventually rising over her fears and taking over for him. She impaled a giant snake through the face, maybe that'll jog your memory.

3. Ahahahahaha, no. She sent Shikamaru, the most intelligent Chunin in all of Konoha to assemble a team to get Sasuke back. Assembling teams is not all about strength. The team needs to have motivation to reach their goal, and the team Shikamaru chose was by far the best choice. Jonin got their asses handed to them, and ANBU would have too, plus they would have no drive at all to fight against the Sound 4 and get Sasuke back, and many of them were already on missions, as was explained by Tsunade.

4. Duhur, she didn't send them. On top of that, Naruto was the BEST choice. If anyone is going to get through to Sasuke one day, it'll be him. They're like brothers, and have a bond closer than that of most people in the show. They're polar opposites, made to counteract the other, to face off against the other, nobody but Naruto wwill be able to go against him.

5. SHE GOT OVER HER FEAR OF BLOOD. PAY ATTENTION.

Kk, let's give some of Tsunae's feats and things she has done, shall we?

Tsunade

- Fought with Jiraiya and Orochimaru against Hanzo the Salamander in the Second Great Shinobi World War, who, after being impressed by their abilities, gave them the name 'Legendary Sannin'.

- Throughout the very same war, she became famous for constantly counteracting and curing Chiyo's poisons, and Chiyo, in her own right, was a master of creating various toxins.

- According to Jiraiya, who we all know is incredibly strong and knows what he's talking about, Tsunade was the reason that they won the war.

- She fought to increase the number of medics in the Village, so that every squad would have one, increasing their survival rate. We see how well this has come in handy several times. This effectively saved Neji and Choji's asses, among others.

- Excels in Med Jutsu and Taijutsu, and is known around the world as the strongest and most beautiful kunoichi. Jiraiya has said that nobody could stand toe to toe with her in medical combat prowess, and that she is the only person who could spike a shinobi's drink without them knowing.

- Her S Rank Seal allows her to build up exorbitant amounts of Chakra over time to be used later on for great medical abilities, such as healing her entire body, or an entire Village. It is known as the pinnacle of medical ninjutsu.

- Can turn her Chakra into electricity and screw up an opponent's nervous system, which slowed even Kabuto down for awhile.

- She has great strength, enough to lift Gamabunta's tanto, and on top of that, can increase the strength with incredible Chakra Control to the point of creating fissures and craters in the ground.

- Was able to move after having her muscles torn, and even managed to kick Orochimaru smack in the face after being stabbed through her chest, shoulder, and ribs. Not only that, but she overcame her fear of blood through willpower alone.

- Master of evasion, seen through what she has drilled into Sakura's head through training.

- Managed to heal mental damage done by Tsukuyomi, spinal damage done to Lee by Gaara's Sand, and counteracted the horrible effects of the Akimichi's Three Colored Pills.

- She's completed 1,256 official missions in total: 40 D-rank, 236 C-rank, 467 B-rank, 418 A-rank, 95 S-rank.

Naruto is physical strong still. Tsunade needs chakra help for her.

Sakura's better in terms of medical help :lol:

Um no, she doesn't. She uses the Chakra to give her a significant boost, but she's been shown to be able to crush rocks with just pure muscle power, and no assistance from Chakra.

Actually that's pretty much the point of a Hokage.


The Hokage is the strongest and best fighter in the Leaf.


That's not Tsunade. Yes she is strong but she's not a strong fighter.

Why not?

Because she doesn't fight.

No, that is not the only thing that constitutes a Hokage.

GENERALLY, they are the strongest in the Village, but their beliefs and renown or resolve play a very large part as well. Clearly, Tsunade has a great deal of resolve to keep the Village safe, and has proven that she is capable of doing so.

And yea, she kind of does fight, but fighting is not the only thing that should be taken into consideration when deciding who is strong or capable of leading. One needs to be capable of placing trust in others to do the fighting, while they stay back and do something that is just as important, if not more.

Jakropha
10-17-2010, 04:44 PM
^^
Tsunade fan
I always hated her
Only because she hides behind her makeup Jutsu, Add that to your list of good reasons why she sucks!

Some girls need to just be them... and not allow society to tell them they are ugly.
Thats why I hate makeup, but its good for camoflage when Duck Hunting :D

Jakropha
10-17-2010, 07:54 PM
PS: I think the Ostrich from 181 would be a better Hokage than any of the 5 Kage XD

That thing Owned Sasuke
Did better than Kakashi, and the rest combined!
And it owned Sasuke, Kapeesh?

Nick Tasogare
10-17-2010, 08:14 PM
^^
Tsunade fan
I always hated her
Only because she hides behind her makeup Jutsu, Add that to your list of good reasons why she sucks!

Some girls need to just be them... and not allow society to tell them they are ugly.
Thats why I hate makeup, but its good for camoflage when Duck Hunting :D

So, you don't think she's a good Kage because she is self conscious or superficial, and because she doesn't use makeup specifically for hunting ducks...?

PS: I think the Ostrich from 181 would be a better Hokage than any of the 5 Kage XD

That thing Owned Sasuke
Did better than Kakashi, and the rest combined!
And it owned Sasuke, Kapeesh?

Wow, no offense, but you're a tool.

Wooster
10-17-2010, 08:21 PM
Tsunade let Konoha be destroyed.

It only came out alright because of Naruto.

That is all that needs to be said.

Phariah824
10-18-2010, 06:11 AM
Tsunade has had to pick up after a bad situation from Oro's attack an stabilize the village. that was done on the 3rd hokage's watch. the 9tails was released an cause major damaged forcing the 4th to sacrifice himself an his wife to seal the 9tails in his own son. the 3rd an 4th allowed major damage to the village under there watch. but they had the whole village aiding them.

Tsunade was lacking the root an Danzo because he was being a cheesie rat hiding out and willing to sacrifice the village an Tsunade and major jonin that were defending the village. and she did save a large portion of the village w/out the rat. and she expended most of her chakra saving them so how is she supposed to fight Pain. yet she was willing to until Naruto appeared.

she is what was needed for the village at this time a healer an leader. Pervy Sage knew it an sought her out for that reason.

Wooster
10-18-2010, 10:31 AM
So Tsunade is hopeless without Danzo and the Foundation?

Yes, I agree.

InnerSakura
10-18-2010, 11:27 AM
u guys hate on Tsunade too much...
I completely agree with "lady Tsunade" that Tsunade is indeed a great character.

btw, u dont have to b a Tsunade fan to figure that one out.

Nick Tasogare
10-18-2010, 12:38 PM
Tsunade let Konoha be destroyed.

It only came out alright because of Naruto.

That is all that needs to be said.

The Village also took substantial damage when the 9 Tails attacked, and was destroyed when Orochimaru attacked during the Chunin Exams. The 1st and 2nd Hokage's were threatened with a Civil War, and due to those hostilities, the Uchiha Clan's annihilation was ultimately ordered. I take it that makes those 4 Hokage's failures as well?

Wooster
10-18-2010, 12:53 PM
The Village also took substantial damage when the 9 Tails attacked, and was destroyed when Orochimaru attacked during the Chunin Exams. The 1st and 2nd Hokage's were threatened with a Civil War, and due to those hostilities, the Uchiha Clan's annihilation was ultimately ordered. I take it that makes those 4 Hokage's failures as well?
Yes the 9 Tails brought out unexpectedly and contained by Minato. Orochimaru's formed an unexpected alliance with a supposed ally. Hiruzen used his abilities to severely limit Orochimaru.

Whereas Pain attacked AFTER Jiraiya fought him. They should have known he was coming, yet Pain still came right into the center of the village.
Then Tsunade taunted Pain into destroying the village. Remember Pain was about to leave because he now knew the location of Tsunade. Why did she do this? Mostly it seems because of her massive ego and childishness.

How was the village saved? Not by Tsunade, Naruto defeated Pain. Tsunade laid unconscious. The people were saved by Nagato's change of heart which had nothing to do with Tsunade.

Tsunade is a great medic but a horrible Hokage.

Nick Tasogare
10-18-2010, 01:12 PM
Yes the 9 Tails brought out unexpectedly and contained by Minato. Orochimaru's formed an unexpected alliance with a supposed ally. Hiruzen used his abilities to severely limit Orochimaru.

Whereas Pain attacked AFTER Jiraiya fought him. They should have known he was coming, yet Pain still came right into the center of the village.
Then Tsunade taunted Pain into destroying the village. Remember Pain was about to leave because he now knew the location of Tsunade. Why did she do this? Mostly it seems because of her massive ego and childishness.

How was the village saved? Not by Tsunade, Naruto defeated Pain. Tsunade laid unconscious. The people were saved by Nagato's change of heart which had nothing to do with Tsunade.

Tsunade is a great medic but a horrible Hokage.

I'm not saying she, herself, stopped him. You said she let a great deal of damage fall on Konoha, and that because of that, she was a bad Hokage, even though Pain was stopped either way. I am asking, if those other 4 Hokages were failures, since great damages were done to the Village in their specific instances, even though the threat was quelled.

Obviously they knew he was coming, but you can only prepare so much in such an amount of time, with the little resources they had at the time.

Yes, she could have prevented that by not being so childish. Hiruzen could have prevented Orochimaru's attack by not being so blind to his actions and goals. I'll ask again, is he a bad Hokage because of that? If you think about it, he's the root of what happened. Not killing Orochimaru led to the attack on Konoha, which led to his death and destruction of the Village, which led to their foundations being weak for years to come, as well as Tsunade being Hokage. He also trained her.

So she did nothing to protect the people of Konoha? Nothing at all? I seem to remember her keeping a great deal of the people alive in combination with Katsuyu and her Yin Seal being released. Pain's attacking and the attempted destruction of the Leaf once again was inevitable any way you slice it.

Wooster
10-18-2010, 01:16 PM
I'm not saying she, herself, stopped him. You said she let a great deal of damage fall on Konoha, and that because of that, she was a bad Hokage, even though Pain was stopped either way. I am asking, if those other 4 Hokages were failures, since great damages were done to the Village in their specific instances, even though the threat was quelled.

Obviously they knew he was coming, but you can only prepare so much in such an amount of time, with the little resources they had at the time.

Yes, she could have prevented that by not being so childish. Hiruzen could have prevented Orochimaru's attack by not being so blind to his actions and goals. I'll ask again, is he a bad Hokage because of that? If you think about it, he's the root of what happened. Not killing Orochimaru led to the attack on Konoha, which led to his death and destruction of the Village, which led to their foundations being weak for years to come, as well as Tsunade being Hokage. He also trained her.

So she did nothing to protect the people of Konoha? Nothing at all? I seem to remember her keeping a great deal of the people alive in combination with Katsuyu and her Yin Seal being released. Pain's attacking and the attempted destruction of the Leaf once again was inevitable any way you slice it.
You seem to be missing the point in your long windedness. She taunted Pain and caused him to destroy the village. 'Nuff said.

No Hokage has done worst. Hiruzen is the closest with letting Orochimaru escape, and yes that is mar against his record.

Yes, she is a good medic, how did she use her powers as Hokage effectively? Nope, Pain was going to leave. He destroyed the village and got into village because of Tsuande's ineptitude.

Jakropha
10-18-2010, 01:48 PM
Period
Tsunade Sucks

Wooster understands that, why cant you?

BTW, was pretty much joking about the Ostrich part... and cause you cant understand a joke, that kinda makes you the tool :lol:

Nick Tasogare
10-18-2010, 03:15 PM
You seem to be missing the point in your long windedness. She taunted Pain and caused him to destroy the village. 'Nuff said.

No Hokage has done worst. Hiruzen is the closest with letting Orochimaru escape, and yes that is mar against his record.

Yes, she is a good medic, how did she use her powers as Hokage effectively? Nope, Pain was going to leave. He destroyed the village and got into village because of Tsuande's ineptitude.

Pain obliterated the Village to show Tsunade the pain that Konoha had been so ignorant of. It was going to happen one way or another, and she wasn't about to let Naruto's location be revealed (even though Shizune had already had the knowledge extracted from her).

I'm not asking if those Hokage's did worse, or close to it. I'm asking if they are failures as Hokage as well, since very similar things happened under their watch, but nobody seems to be holding it against them when they hold it against Tsunade.

'Powers as Hokage'? What power does she have? She orders the ninja to do what she believes is best, which was to defend the people. She could have fought, but she was more useful supporting them by offering healing through Katsuyu. She most definitely saved and protected more lives by doing that, rather than fighting. I don't see how that makes her inept. In my opinion, she was being smart about the options she had.

Period
Tsunade Sucks

Wooster understands that, why cant you?

BTW, was pretty much joking about the Ostrich part... and cause you cant understand a joke, that kinda makes you the tool :lol:

Um, I kind of wasn't referring to your 'joke'. I was referring to the fact that you double posted, and that the second post was made about 3 hours after the first, and had nothing to do with the thread in the slightest.

Also, you didn't answer my question.

'So, you don't think she's a good Kage because she is self conscious or superficial, and because she doesn't use makeup specifically for hunting ducks...?'

Wooster
10-18-2010, 03:33 PM
Pain obliterated the Village to show Tsunade the pain that Konoha had been so ignorant of. It was going to happen one way or another, and she wasn't about to let Naruto's location be revealed (even though Shizune had already had the knowledge extracted from her).

I'm not asking if those Hokage's did worse, or close to it. I'm asking if they are failures as Hokage as well, since very similar things happened under their watch, but nobody seems to be holding it against them when they hold it against Tsunade.

'Powers as Hokage'? What power does she have? She orders the ninja to do what she believes is best, which was to defend the people. She could have fought, but she was more useful supporting them by offering healing through Katsuyu. She most definitely saved and protected more lives by doing that, rather than fighting. I don't see how that makes her inept. In my opinion, she was being smart about the options she had.

No it wasn't. Tsunade said she understood pain. Pain had to show her she did not. She should have kept her mouth shut. Exactly, Naruto's location was revealed, and she knew it by then. What was the point of her mouthing off?

Um yeah. Read my Danzo thread. I go to town on Hiruzen letting Orochimaru escape that was stupid, but no where near as bad as how Tsunade handled Sasuke. Horrible horrible there. Other Hokage have their good points. I have yet to see Tsunade make one wise decision so goes with what is presented to her.

She controls the village. Why was it so easy for Pain to enter? The village was attacked before by Orochimaru AND they knew PAIN was coming and some of his abilities including summoning. The other Hokage would have attacked Pain themselves, see Hiruzen and the 1st. Tsunade just sat there and healed. She could have healed without being Hokage. What if Naruto didn't show up before he did? Tsunade was gong to fight Pain, obviously she would have lost immediately. Quite pathetic.
Maybe with her OPTIONS, which are limited; thus, she shouldn't be Hokage.

Devil's Lawyer
10-18-2010, 03:38 PM
She blocked a village busting shinra tensei. Oh wait that a good reason she is hokage. Trololol

narutonhinataschild
10-18-2010, 03:50 PM
Tsunade is Naruto's only link too his past. She has Knowledge

mrsticky005
10-19-2010, 01:00 AM
GENERALLY, they are the strongest in the Village, but their beliefs and renown or resolve play a very large part as well. Clearly, Tsunade has a great deal of resolve to keep the Village safe, and has proven that she is capable of doing so.

And yea, she kind of does fight, but fighting is not the only thing that should be taken into consideration when deciding who is strong or capable of leading. One needs to be capable of placing trust in others to do the fighting, while they stay back and do something that is just as important, if not more.


The Hokage protects the village. They do this by fighting. Healing a bunch of people is not the Hokage's job. That job is up to Medic Ninja crew.
Tsunade did NOT keep the village safe as the village was decimated
by Pain. It was Nagato who revived everyone and Naruto who inspired
him to do so. Yes, Tsunade did heal a bunch of people but again that's
what Medic Ninjas do. Not Hokages. Hokages fight.

Placing trust on others to do the fighting? Konoha was struggling against Pain even before Almighty Push. Tsunade gambled on Naruto's return
and that he would be stronger than Pain. There's no reason for Tsunade to think that besides blind faith. Tsunade knew Naruto would try and learn Sage Mode but how would she know that he be stronger than Jirayia
who was killed by Pain? She wouldn't. What if Naruto was taken by
Madara right there and then? Tsunade's trust in Naruto would be for nothing.

TheBlackChidori
10-19-2010, 01:05 AM
A nick debate. Its been so long! =D

mrsticky005
10-19-2010, 01:08 AM
She blocked a village busting shinra tensei. Oh wait that a good reason she is hokage. Trololol



If Tsunade "blocked" Almighty Push then that's a sorry excuse for a block.

Wooster
10-19-2010, 04:24 AM
I am thinking that comment was sarcasm. >.>

mrsticky005
10-19-2010, 04:31 AM
I am thinking that comment was sarcasm. >.>

Just in case.

Nick Tasogare
10-19-2010, 02:22 PM
No it wasn't. Tsunade said she understood pain. Pain had to show her she did not. She should have kept her mouth shut. Exactly, Naruto's location was revealed, and she knew it by then. What was the point of her mouthing off?

Um yeah. Read my Danzo thread. I go to town on Hiruzen letting Orochimaru escape that was stupid, but no where near as bad as how Tsunade handled Sasuke. Horrible horrible there. Other Hokage have their good points. I have yet to see Tsunade make one wise decision so goes with what is presented to her.

She controls the village. Why was it so easy for Pain to enter? The village was attacked before by Orochimaru AND they knew PAIN was coming and some of his abilities including summoning. The other Hokage would have attacked Pain themselves, see Hiruzen and the 1st. Tsunade just sat there and healed. She could have healed without being Hokage. What if Naruto didn't show up before he did? Tsunade was gong to fight Pain, obviously she would have lost immediately. Quite pathetic.
Maybe with her OPTIONS, which are limited; thus, she shouldn't be Hokage.

Who should? Even if she wasn't Kage, all of those things would have happened.

The Hokage protects the village. They do this by fighting. Healing a bunch of people is not the Hokage's job. That job is up to Medic Ninja crew.
Tsunade did NOT keep the village safe as the village was decimated
by Pain. It was Nagato who revived everyone and Naruto who inspired
him to do so. Yes, Tsunade did heal a bunch of people but again that's
what Medic Ninjas do. Not Hokages. Hokages fight.

Placing trust on others to do the fighting? Konoha was struggling against Pain even before Almighty Push. Tsunade gambled on Naruto's return
and that he would be stronger than Pain. There's no reason for Tsunade to think that besides blind faith. Tsunade knew Naruto would try and learn Sage Mode but how would she know that he be stronger than Jirayia
who was killed by Pain? She wouldn't. What if Naruto was taken by
Madara right there and then? Tsunade's trust in Naruto would be for nothing.

Her trust in him wasn't wrong though, was it? Any other Kage would have likely told him to go train with the toads, but set it so that he would be there, so he wasn't in Leaf when Pain attacked.

J-Sun Tasogare
10-19-2010, 02:23 PM
Nobody in Naruto deserves to be Hokage, they all suck.

Except, Danzo, Orochimaru, and, Kakashi


But anyone of them being permanently hokage, will ruin them.

GwynethUchiha
10-19-2010, 02:24 PM
She is a good Hokage why do you hate her so much?

mrsticky005
10-20-2010, 08:33 AM
Nobody in Naruto deserves to be Hokage, they all suck.

Except, Danzo, Orochimaru, and, Kakashi


But anyone of them being permanently hokage, will ruin them.


It's simple. Make Kakashi Hokage until the war is over.

Then make Naruto Hokage as by then he will DEFINITELY deserve it.

Wooster
10-20-2010, 09:11 AM
Nobody in Naruto deserves to be Hokage, they all suck.

Except, Danzo, Orochimaru, and, Kakashi


But anyone of them being permanently hokage, will ruin them.
Dodo....I think I love you. >.>

ObitoUchiha
04-14-2011, 08:56 PM
Actually that's pretty much the point of a Hokage.


The Hokage is the strongest and best fighter in the Leaf.


That's not Tsunade. Yes she is strong but she's not a strong fighter.

Why not?

Because she doesn't fight.
Hokages would have to be strong fighters, not necesarily the strongEST.
He/she would also have to be smart enough to lead the village in case of war, makes a lot of the important decisions for the village, she needs to know when to fight, when to retreat...
basically, be strong, which she is, and be smart. close enough...

ObitoUchiha
04-14-2011, 09:00 PM
Nobody in Naruto deserves to be Hokage, they all suck.

Except, Danzo, Orochimaru, and, Kakashi


But anyone of them being permanently hokage, will ruin them.
when i saw orochimaru, i thought this comment was a complete joke, because he would recklessly attack itachi and get the village into war...

but then i saw kakashi and thought that you were serious again...

so now i dont know what to think o-o

Sagepain
04-14-2011, 09:33 PM
when i saw orochimaru, i thought this comment was a complete joke, because he would recklessly attack itachi and get the village into war...

but then i saw kakashi and thought that you were serious again...

so now i dont know what to think o-o

And you double posted.

IMO Tsunade was the BEST choice for hokage, if naruto was hokage he wouldin't be allowed to leave the leaf for training, therefore would have been captured EASILY by pain, Naruto only became hokage material AFTER he mastered sage mode.

Kakashi was defeated by pain, when he had help from choji AND choza.

Danzo would sacrifice anything he needed to just to survive or possibly defeat pain, therfore not really protecting the village.

Jiraiya would have been the BEST choice if he DID accept............but he didin't, so who else did the leaf have left to choose?

Tsunade was there ONLY choice especially when they needed a hokage as fast as possible to avoid getting into another conflict with another village like the rock or cloud, If they were attacked without any leadership to guide them they would be decimated by the enemy village.

IMO Tsunade was a pretty darn good Hokage to get in the short time they had to choose one.

She may not be the BEST hokage compared to the past hokages, but she was the best that they can get at the time.

mrsticky005
04-26-2011, 11:27 PM
And you double posted.

IMO Tsunade was the BEST choice for hokage, if naruto was hokage he wouldin't be allowed to leave the leaf for training, therefore would have been captured EASILY by pain, Naruto only became hokage material AFTER he mastered sage mode.

Kakashi was defeated by pain, when he had help from choji AND choza.

Danzo would sacrifice anything he needed to just to survive or possibly defeat pain, therfore not really protecting the village.

Jiraiya would have been the BEST choice if he DID accept............but he didin't, so who else did the leaf have left to choose?

Tsunade was there ONLY choice especially when they needed a hokage as fast as possible to avoid getting into another conflict with another village like the rock or cloud, If they were attacked without any leadership to guide them they would be decimated by the enemy village.

IMO Tsunade was a pretty darn good Hokage to get in the short time they had to choose one.

She may not be the BEST hokage compared to the past hokages, but she was the best that they can get at the time.


Disagree. Danzo would only sacrifice villagers for the sake of the village.
In other words Danzo believes the whole is greater than the sum of it's
parts. Despite just about everyone thinking that Danzo is just a selfish
power hungry old geezer he actually cares for Konoha quite a bit.
Like Sai Shaft says his methods in doing so are just more hard lined.

In his short time as the Sixth Hokage, Danzo actually did better than most people give him credit for.

1. He gave the order to have Sasuke eliminated. Something that Tsunade should have done a long time ago. But instead she fooled around too much.
While it's possible she could have brought Sasuke back she clearly did not
put enough resources into doing so.

2. He indirectly saved Tsunade's life by going to the Kage Summit in her stead. Tsunade would have died if she had gone. Because even if Sasuke
didn't kill her, Madara most definitely would.

3. If Foo didn't fail in getting the Byukugan Danzo would have very likely
see through Sasuke's Tsukiyomi and not be tricked. He would have killed
Sasuke then. Problem just about solved. Madara would just be left.
Then Danzo would use Shisui's eye and very likely Madara would be dead.
If not then at least Sasuke would be dead.

4. It was Danzo's idea to have the Ninja Alliance which did happen.

5. If Foo and Torune were more cautious in fighting Madara and instead
of going for the kill just tried to keep him busy it would have given
Danzo more time to remove the seal on his arm. Danzo could then
join the fight and the three of them could defeat Madara before
Madara would be able to bring Sasuke out.

Viceroy
04-26-2011, 11:45 PM
Its a pretty even battle here so I'm going to ride the fence. And theres nothing you can do about it. Yeah Tsunade isn't the best for the job but she is the only who did take it. Jiraiya didn't want it. Thats the only reason she did get it. She isn't the strongest, smartest, or most...jutsus (brain running a bit slow tonight) but she has the qualifications and is a well rounded leader.

Kreegah!!!
04-27-2011, 10:28 AM
Gross, no way is she a well-rounded leader. Shizune is far more capable, and she doesn't exactly have a spine. Then again, willful Sucknads is abrasive and over-powering, so Shizune had no chance.

Might as well make Inari Hokage. He isn't the strongest, brightest, and lacks jutsu--but he has far more in the way of leadership ability. Naruto and Kakashi were not enough to dissuade the remainder of Gato's forces; Inari and the villagers he rallied were the greatest motivators for their retreat. Also, presumably good with a crossbow, so he also renders Tenten worthless.

HakuFan101
08-15-2011, 06:34 PM
She isn't that bad. :3

alan
08-22-2011, 08:46 PM
Tsunade is kool hokage.

Zaichis
09-08-2011, 06:13 PM
well she is best medical ninja who used to make anti dotes in wars so she know how war looks like plus she is strong in physical way she is famous too.

LMAO
09-16-2011, 02:31 PM
It looks like you tried to hard with comparing the other Hokages. You left out some information and added details that weren't needed/already used.

But I totally agree. She is the worst Hokage ever!

Flying Fortress Skyfire
10-09-2011, 11:35 PM
Not that I disagree with the idea that Tsunade is a bad Kage, but your reasons are terrible.

1. She is not the best Ninja in the village

True, Kages are supposed to be elected by being the strongest in the village and that definitely doesn't apply to Tsunade, simply not being the strongest doesn't make her a bad leader.

2. She let a little kid (Naruto), fight her fight, against Kabuto. Naruto wonShe didn't really have much choice. She was severely injured at the time and was still working on healing herself.

3. When trying to get Sasuke back, she sent some Gennin, while an ANBU could of got him back with no problemDebatable. The Sound Four + Kimimaro had already proven strong enough to take out nameless and named fodder alike, and the people she did send, though they needed help, very nearly succeeded.

4. She made the matter worse, when he sent Naruto and the gang (look now, all because of sasuke XD)This part is actually true

5. She is scared of blood, and war is bloody. Not a good ComboShe got over that after meeting Naruto.

==========

Actual reasons why she's a terrible Hokage include but are not limited to, allowing her emotions to overpower her better judgement. This covers nearly all of her crimes because Naruto's resemblance to Nawaki(her younger brother) allows him to easily manipulate her whenever he likes.

It was Naruto who convinced Tsunade not to make Sasuke a missing-nin.
When Pain attacked Konoha, Tsunade was raring to go for sending Naruto to his doom. (Naruto only escaped his encounter with Pain via Deus Ex Machina).
When Madara reared his ugly head, Tsunade was ready to throw Naruto into his arms despite knowing nothing of Madara's abilities or motives.

Alhough the other Kages convince Tsunade that that's a ridiculous thing to do and she accepts this idea, when she and A try to convince Naruto and Bee not to do just that, she claims that she will NEVER change her mind about not wanting Naruto to put himself in danger only to immediately recant when Naruto goes "Come ooooooon."

Tsunade is overall a terrible Kage, one of the worst possible candidates for the job.

In fact, the only person I can think of that would be WORSE is Naruto.

Just as emotional as, if not more so than, Tsunade, bull-headed, highly manipulative, irresponsible. The list goes on.

mr_i_love_cookies
10-10-2011, 10:05 AM
She is not the best Ninja in the village
She let a little kid (Naruto), fight her fight, against Kabuto. Naruto won
When trying to get Sasuke back, she sent some Gennin, while an ANBU could of got him back with no problem
She made the matter worse, when he sent Naruto and the gang (look now, all because of sasuke XD)
She is scared of blood, and war is bloody. Not a good Combo
Now lets Pin her against some of the other Hokages

1st Hokage
Fought Madara
Founded the Konoha
The greatest and only (minus Yamato) Wood
The leader of the Senju clan
Fought against Madara again (Well Madara has his body and we don't know how he died. So just a guess)
Hokage and the leader of the Senju clan
Could use PTJ like Minato

2nd Hokage
Had the greatest Water jutsu's
The 1st Hokage brother
Fought the Cloud Ninja Kinkaku
Went into battle wail in War
Lead a team
Made ET

3rd Hokage
Fought against Orochimaru
Fought against 1st Hokage
Fought against the 2en Hokage
Fought against the Kyuubi
Became Hokage 2 times

4th Hokage
Nuff said


Now lets pin her up to a random Ninja. Oh how about Naruto.


Naruto Now he only needs a simple 1 2 liner
Is strong than tsunade by fair and is the strongest Ninja in Konoha
-RS


Lets see what Tsunade has done compared to everyone
Green


THIS GUY IS HILARIOUSE. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID EXCEPT WHEN HE SAID "
Fought against Madara again (Well Madara has his body and we don't know how he died. So just a guess)" MADARA LOST AND HE LATER TOOK OVER THE BODY OF OBITO- KAKASHIS FRIEND AND TEAMMATE WHO WAS A UCHIHA

zerosameri
10-10-2011, 11:33 AM
@the dude above me: ಠ_ಠ

Ruzki Hyuga
10-31-2011, 12:33 AM
She's not the worst hokage other would disagree with you saying that she horrible did you also forget that she doest make all the decision like Jiraya leaving to investigate the Hidden Rain Village but it was Jiraya's doing that he wanted to go. So if you want to argue with it techinally your right because she even said that Jiraya was going to be the next runner up but he wasnt fit for it so would you say if Jiraya was the Hokage and not Tsunade, heck if Kakashi was hokage I dont think he would be the best Hokage next to the 4th Hokage even he admited that he didnt want to be but will do it for the sake of the village.

Kekkei genkai
01-19-2012, 12:57 AM
When trying to get Sasuke back, she sent some Gennin, while an ANBU could of got him back with no problem




Hmmm, I dont know... Sasuke with curse mark vs ANBU. Would be interesting.

roullex uchiha
01-19-2012, 02:32 PM
Hmmm, I dont know... Sasuke with curse mark vs ANBU. Would be interesting.

Yea he is right why would she send a genin to bring back Sasuke.

killbobby7
01-19-2012, 03:03 PM
Lerrrooooyyyyyyyy jjjaannnnkkkkeeennnnssssssss

nine-tails chakra armor
02-23-2012, 10:26 AM
why is everyone bashing tsunade. for one naruto didnt fight her fight against kabuto she was weakened fighting oro and kabuto stepped in so naruto stepped in not the same as naruto fighting her fight. without tsunade over 75% of the hidden leaf would be dead due to pain, why arnt they tsunade. its a hokages job to protect the village what could naruto done in that situation at that time. lets not forget she is the last living legendary sanin give her that which means she was stong and still is. being hokage doesnt mean she must fight every battle just the ones that count. and lets put her up against a random ninja. yea ok why you pick naruto the strongest character in the series at this point theirs no one stronger maybe madara or sasuke. oh yea tsunade's a bad hokage thats why sasuke is still able to roam around right cuz if it was danzo he would be dead already..lets put her up against any other ninja in the leaf and she is worthy to be the hokage. your just hatin. yea kakashi would make a good hokage but hes better frontline just like naruto. do you thing naruto would be good for a hokage, hes frontline also being hokage isint about strength alone. nuff said