Wondering why...

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

In the world people believe that KN8 has mountain durability?

[kejon16]

He does...... <.<

[THE X UCHIHA]

He does.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

And how does so? Any viable evidence at all?

[kejon16]

Yup! When he fought Pain.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Yup! When he fought Pain.

Clarify. The Pain battle was over twelve chapters.

[kejon16]

We only see 8 tails once.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

And in that timeline, when did he show mountain-level durability? SHOW ME THE PROOF HERE PEOPLE.

[kejon16]

He broke out of that one attack. Can't think of the name. Plus counter if you please.

[Sephiroth]

He broke out of that one attack. Can't think of the name. Plus counter if you please.
CT xDd

[kejon16]

Thank you Seph.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

That 'attack' just crushed him under a few tons of earth and rubble. Being pressured by the weight of a few tons does not guarantee you mountain-level durability.

[Devroux]

When he crushed him in the ball of rock. But I don't think that was as strong as you're thinking.

I had to do stuff so I was late posting... I'm leaving it here!

[kejon16]

It's his strongest move.

[Devroux]

Doesn't matter. I doubt it's that strong.

[deidara330]

Chibaku Tensei. It was the size of a mountain and had a large gravitational force, so people just assume KN8 has mountain durability for withstanding it. I don't think many people are willing to actually calculate or verify in any way how true this is, and even less would know the correct way to do so.

[kejon16]

Sure it's only Pain.....

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

When he crushed him in the ball of rock. But I don't think that was as strong as you're thinking.

I had to do stuff so I was late posting... I'm leaving it here!
He barely got crushed, and it wasn't even at the center of the sphere, where he had to take the most amount of weight pressure.
It's his strongest move.
Doesn't matter. My strongest move is a twin butterfly kick, yet I don't obliterate mountains with it.
Doesn't matter. I doubt it's that strong.

Chibaku Tensei just took up a mountain's worth of weight or something and formed it into a sphere of earth and rubble.

[Devroux]

D330: Yeah. I'm lazy and I know it. I guess if I wanted to I could probably figure it out.

Kejon: I'm not saying Pein is weak but I still don't think it would be that strong.

Vat: Adds more too why he wouldn't die. And just because it's mountain sized doesn't mean it's packed well enough to kill him.

[kejon16]

He barely got crushed, and it wasn't even at the center of the sphere, where he had to take the most amount of weight pressure.

Doesn't matter. My strongest move is a twin butterfly kick, yet I don't obliterate mountains with it.


Chibaku Tensei just took up a mountain's worth of weight or something and formed it into a sphere of earth and rubble.

True. Put the power behind the attack. Is more than we know right now. We can't say much about him really now days. Now since this is done. I want to learn that move your talking about Sensei.

[THE X UCHIHA]

stop being stubborn. K8 showed us an incredible power & speed .. you gotta remeber what happened to the area surrounding Konoha after they finished.

K8 has mountain - durability

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Chibaku Tensei. It was the size of a mountain and had a large gravitational force, so people just assume KN8 has mountain durability for withstanding it. I don't think many people are willing to actually calculate or verify in any way how true this is, and even less would know the correct way to do so.

That is why I disagree with so.

Chp. 439, Page 4
KN6 gets caught up in a levitating pillar of earth, but he's still not in the CT yet. In the middle, we get a wide screenshot of the forming CT, which suggests that it is nearing it's completion.

Chp. 439, Page 5-6
KN6 lands on the CT, and it looks like eleventh-twelfths of it has finished. Now on page six, it looks like around a dozen boulders covered him, and that was all. CT was already finished, and KN6 was at the near edge of it, in place of the center or even near it, where the weight pressure would have been much more higher and devastating.

If we assume that the boulders were small to medium size ones, than a the low-end estimate size of a boulder, eight cubic feet, would be an estimated 1,200 pounds. Multiply it by twelve, and it's 14,400 pounds, aka near seven and a half tons. Now, I am not aware of the cubic feet of a normal mountain, but chances are, it's much, much heavier than twelve boulders. And there also is the factor covered earlier, than KN6 was never at the center to began with, and also that weight does not equal durability. Having a building dropped on you and then surviving doesn't mean you have building-durability, it just means you can survive under that that much of weight pressure. There is a difference between crushing strength like CT and destroying strength like Chakra Menace Balls.

And of course, there is the the sheer size of KN8, which gave him superior strength and also the ability to push out the weight with said strength.

[kejon16]

If you look at the chapters. You can see him break though the whole attack. All 8 of his tails break it away. Still takes a lot of power to do that.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

If you look at the chapters. You can see him break though the whole attack. All 8 of his tails break it away. Still takes a lot of power to do that.

Read my post next time. He was at the EDGE of it. And actually, I did, seeing as that I supplied the pages myself.

[Devroux]

That is why I disagree with so.

Chp. 439, Page 4
KN6 gets caught up in a levitating pillar of earth, but he's still not in the CT yet. In the middle, we get a wide screenshot of the forming CT, which suggests that it is nearing it's completion.

Chp. 439, Page 5-6
KN6 lands on the CT, and it looks like eleventh-twelfths of it has finished. Now on page six, it looks like around a dozen boulders covered him, and that was all. CT was already finished, and KN8 was at the near edge of it, in place of the center or even near it, where the weight pressure would have been much more higher and devastating.

If we assume that the boulders were small to medium size ones, than a the low-end estimate size of a boulder, eight cubic feet, would be an estimated 1,200 pounds. Multiply it by twelve, and it's 14,400 pounds, aka near fourteen and a half tons. Now, I am not aware of the cubic feet of a normal mountain, but chances are, it's much, much heavier than twelve boulders. And there also is the factor covered earlier, than KN6 was never at the center to began with, and also that weight does not equal durability. Having a building dropped on you and then surviving doesn't mean you have building-durability, it just means you can survive under that that much of weight pressure. There is a difference between crushing strength like CT and destroying strength like Chakra Menace Balls.

And of course, there is the the sheer size of KN8, which gave him superior strength and also the ability to push out the weight with said strength.
1 ton= 2,000 lbs. And Pein wasn't at full power either. But either way a mountain is way heavier.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

1 ton= 2,000 lbs. And Pein wasn't at full power either. But either way a mountain is way heavier.

/Was already edited before you pointed that out.

We're not talking about Pain's CT being at it's best. We're talking about if his current CT and with KN8 being in it caused it to be supposedly "mountain tanking".

[THE X UCHIHA]

But either way a mountain is way heavier.

its not about weights, the power which K8 has , allow him to tank mountain.

[Sephiroth]

/Was already edited before you pointed that out.

We're not talking about Pain's CT being at it's best. We're talking about if his current CT and with KN8 being in it caused it to be supposedly "mountain tanking".

Not to mention Pain did destroy most of the Leaf Village and also Fought and killed most of the Village.

[THE X UCHIHA]

if K8 was able to nullify Pains attacks which would probably destroy villages .
I don’t think < tanking a mountain > would be such a hard thing for it .

[Nyruss]

There is a vast gulf between destroying villages and tanking mountain busting attacks. Your logic, if it can be refered to as such, is poor as always.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

There is a vast gulf between destroying villages and tanking mountain busting attacks. Your logic, if it can be refered to as such, is poor as always.

You referring to me? `:|

[Nyruss]

No I'm referring to The X Uchiha's insistence that because Naruto can beat a village buster like Pain he's got mountain level durability.

[THE X UCHIHA]

no vat, he refers to me, he is my hypothetical enemy .. LoL
anyway .. I told you before Hype is the only way to make Kyuubi win such a very strong match like Ulq. vs Kyuubi.

[Devil's Lawyer]

The whole classification of speeds, strengths, and powers are flawed. Too many inconsistencies in manga and comics. Lets use Superman one minute he is getting smashed by a bazooka. The next he is tanking a tank. The bazooka thing happens alot more. You just roll with it otherwise a whole uproar will get started if you challenge it. Like I care its all fiction.

[Nyruss]

Translation:

http://www.orble.com/images/crying-baby21.jpg

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

The whole classification of speeds, strengths, and powers are flawed. Too many inconsistencies in manga and comics. Lets use Superman one minute he is getting smashed by a bazooka. The next he is tanking a tank. The bazooka thing happens alot more. You just roll with it otherwise a whole uproar will get started if you challenge it. Like I care its all fiction.

But the thing is, there is no inconsistency here. KN8 only received one feat, and that was the one where he supposedly earned 'mountain durability'.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Please me crying haha. Why would I cry when I am clearly winning on all levels. You just don't know how to accept defeat. It's not my fault you like men in tights.

But the thing is, there is no inconsistency here. KN8 only received one feat, and that was the one where he supposedly earned 'mountain durability'.

No I agree thats why I said that. That was just a lot of boulders nothing more.

[Nyruss]

Delusions of victory and an extremely poor attempt at insulting me. Really going for the retard gold aren't you?

[Devil's Lawyer]

Delusions of victory and an extremely poor attempt at insulting me. Really going for the retard gold aren't you?

So says the dude who beats off to Spiderman.

[Nyruss]

I don't even like Spider-man all that much, but I know he can beat Naruto any day of the week. :)

[Devil's Lawyer]

Nor I Naruto I can think of a 1000 times better shows than it.(One piece) But he squishes the spider with his boot.:)

[Nyruss]

Yes, I agree that Spider-man could never lose to Naruto. Clearly he is superior in ever possible way. But I sigress, this isn't about Spider-man's inability to lose to Naruto this is about the fact that KN8 isn't mountain-level tanker.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Yes Naruto stomps Spidey into the pavement. But I agree that isn't the subject. Kn8 tanking a mountain is iffy.

If you say since Kn6 is a mountain buster and ct contained it yes Kn8 can tank a mountain since it broke out.

[Akatsuki X]

KN8 busted out of the very edge of Chibaku Tensei created by a severely weakened Pain.

Yeah, he can tank mountain-busters...

No, but in all seriousness, he only got drawn into the attack at the very end of it's duration (which still baffles me) meaning he was only covered by a few tons of rock.

Not to mention the fact that the difference in size is so great between the 6-tails and 8-tails that it was probably more of a matter of mass difference than actual strength which helped him break out.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Man you will ruin reading manga if you go to deep like that. Everytime you read it you will start thinking about junk like that. Then it will start to get boring.

[Akatsuki X]

Debating isn't supposed to be fun.

THE INTERWEBZ IZ SERIOUZ BUSINEZZ. :shock:

[Devil's Lawyer]

Please I am always high on here.

[321zigzag3]

That 'attack' just crushed him under a few tons of earth and rubble. Being pressured by the weight of a few tons does not guarantee you mountain-level durability.

Do you realize how much tons a mountain+ level possess. Take in mind that KN6 was crushed first for some time which forced it to jump to KN8.

It wasn't few tons. KN6 was crushed when it was still forming. Granted it wasn't in the middle, it was towards the outer layer.

I don't even like Spider-man all that much, but I know he can beat Naruto any day of the week. :)

SM Naruto is a toss up. KN6 and up are overkill unless you are referring to Cosmic Spiderman. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2z7exox.png

to lose to Naruto this is about the fact that KN8 isn't mountain-level tanker.

You can be more elaborate than this.


KN8 busted out of the very edge of Chibaku Tensei created by a severely weakened Pain.

No, but in all seriousness, he only got drawn into the attack at the very end of it's duration (which still baffles me) meaning he was only covered by a few tons of rock.

Not to mention the fact that the difference in size is so great between the 6-tails and 8-tails that it was probably more of a matter of mass difference than actual strength which helped him break out.

It wasn't the edge. KN8 took up some portion in size of the CT.

No KN6 was drawn in at some time in the middle.

Mass yet had the strength to break it out as well. They both played.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Bloody hell.

Because he doesn't.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Do you realize how much tons a mountain+ level possess. Take in mind that KN6 was crushed first for some time which forced it to jump to KN8.

It wasn't few tons. KN6 was crushed when it was still forming. Granted it wasn't in the middle, it was towards the outer layer.



SM Naruto is a toss up. KN6 and up are overkill unless you are referring to Cosmic Spiderman. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2z7exox.png



You can be more elaborate than this.




It wasn't the edge. KN8 took up some portion in size of the CT.

No KN6 was drawn in at some time in the middle.

Mass yet had the strength to break it out as well. They both played.

And yet he was crushed nowhere near the center. Just barely on the edge, seeing as that he was crushed by a few boulders just before Chibaku Tensei finished and was shown.

It was already finished forming. When KN6 got caught up on one of the levitating boulders, you saw a half-screenshot of it that heavily suggested it was at the very least four-fifths completed.

Chapter 439, Page 6.

I do not see how a human-sized mass of chakra and bones could be squeezed through compressed boulders of earth in the amount of time it took for Naruto to cry, open his jacket, and then walk towards a seal a yard or so from him.

[321zigzag3]

And yet he was crushed nowhere near the center. Just barely on the edge, seeing as that he was crushed by a few boulders just before Chibaku Tensei finished and was shown.

It was already finished forming. When KN6 got caught up on one of the levitating boulders, you saw a half-screenshot of it that heavily suggested it was at the very least four-fifths completed.

Chapter 439, Page 6.

I do not see how a human-sized mass of chakra and bones could be squeezed through compressed boulders of earth in the amount of time it took for Naruto to cry, open his jacket, and then walk towards a seal a yard or so from him.

Stop saying bare edge if you have no clear proof of it. There is no clear time frame. Also if he was at the bare edge as you claim, he would have easily broken out and fell out of it. Chibaku Tensei is about mountain+ level. 8 Tail was shown to be incredibly immense and a lot bigger than a few boulders. I don't get this comparison.

I saw it and I don't know how you came to that conclusion. There is no clear time frame. At best you can say it was at the outlayer but not barely on the edge. When CT formed the rock immediately around KN6 and higher peaks were pulled up, KN6 even launched its menacing ball at it but it failed. So that also takes away the bare edge as well.

I don't know about you but that occured when it was at 8 Tail mode.

[The 1st Hokage]

Mountain Busting attack >>> Mountain Sized attack

CT is mountain sized, not mountan busting.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Stop saying bare edge if you have no clear proof of it. There is no clear time frame. Also if he was at the bare edge as you claim, he would have easily broken out and fell out of it. Chibaku Tensei is about mountain+ level. 8 Tail was shown to be incredibly immense and a lot bigger than a few boulders. I don't get this comparison.

I saw it and I don't know how you came to that conclusion. There is no clear time frame. At best you can say it was at the outlayer but not barely on the edge. When CT formed the rock immediately around KN6 and higher peaks were pulled up, KN6 even launched its menacing ball at it but it failed. So that also takes away the bare edge as well.

I don't know about you but that occured when it was at 8 Tail mode.

I already showed you the proof. Page 4/5 on Chp. 439, a wide screenshot of CT was already shown nearly completed. KN6 landed on the next page, and then he got smashed in with boulders afterwards. He couldn't escape because Naruto was freaking out again, and Kyuubi took that chance to go full Nine Tails. The comparison is, KN8's size had a factor with it's body strength, which gave it more than enough power to break in through a dozen gravity-attracted boulders.

If he failed, than how could it took away the bare edge? And also, on pg. six, it still shows a clear shot of KN6. But he abruptly got smashed in by boulders a panel after. Either KN6 was being damn retarded and was sitting there for a minute, or he couldn't get out before the boulders struck him down. Now, the last of the three small panels showed boulders crashing down on the boulders that smashed KN6 in, and bang, a completed Chibaku Tensei was shown. That, of course, suggests a clear timeframe.

[Pat]

Please I am always high on here.

Now that, is the way to do it.

[Akatsuki X]

Now that, is the way to do it.

Touche.

Anyways, I don't really think that Chibaku Tensei could be considered a mountain busting attacks.

The majority of rocks it attracted were already-existing rubble from destroyed Konoha.

Just because it was the size of a mountain, doesn't mean it has the power to destroy a mountain.

[321zigzag3]

I already showed you the proof. Page 4/5 on Chp. 439, a wide screenshot of CT was already shown nearly completed.

How do you know that?



KN6 landed on the next page, and then he got smashed in with boulders afterwards. He couldn't escape because Naruto was freaking out again, and Kyuubi took that chance to go full Nine Tails. The comparison is, KN8's size had a factor with it's body strength, which gave it more than enough power to break in through a dozen gravity-attracted boulders.

Body strength also corresponds much with durability as well. They go hand in hand. Now there are exceptions but KN8 having the strength shows it had the durability to tank the crushing pressure.

With the entire CT crushing each other. Granted the pressure is less severe towards the outer layer.


If he failed, than how could it took away the bare edge? And also, on pg. six, it still shows a clear shot of KN6. But he abruptly got smashed in by boulders a panel after.

I wouldn't say bare edge. But I say the outer layer. Maybe we are using different terms.


Either KN6 was being damn retarded and was sitting there for a minute, or he couldn't get out before the boulders struck him down.

KN6 couldn't do anything because it was stuck.


Now, the last of the three small panels showed boulders crashing down on the boulders that smashed KN6 in, and bang, a completed Chibaku Tensei was shown. That, of course, suggests a clear timeframe.

I don't know about you but the moment Chibaku Tensei was activated soon the KN6 and its surrounding area was also being pulled up.

Again also its much easier to see where the KN6 was trapped by looking where KN8 was.


Touche.

Anyways, I don't really think that Chibaku Tensei could be considered a mountain busting attacks.

The majority of rocks it attracted were already-existing rubble from destroyed Konoha.

Just because it was the size of a mountain, doesn't mean it has the power to destroy a mountain.

I don't know about you but they were way outside of Konoha.

It did pull mountain+ layer so although its not a mountain bus, but it destroy a huge mountain+ layer. You are sort of contradicting yourself in that last statement Akatsuki X. :ugeek:

[THE X UCHIHA]

@ ziggy

I dunno why sompeople's brains can't contain the idea of being K8 or even K6 able to tank mountain, I mean come on , it's enormously strong & we saw together how was nullifying C.T

besides, we saw how the area around him was getting crashed.
maybe this idea is so big to be contained in their small brains.

they can't imagine what a tailed beast can do ?!

this as such , makes me upset.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Because unless I'm mistaking of the lower half of a circle's circumference, which I'm not, than that was the lower half of Chibaku Tensei.

Yes, but how does surviving around a dozen tons of crushing pressure earn you the right to have mountain durability?

Much MUCH less severe. The boulders are attracted inwards, not outwards.

Eh, edge sounds more reasonable. But let's just leave it at that.

He wasn't until the boulders struck him down.

It was a few moments after Chibaku Tensei started that the Konoha ninjas started to notice it. KN6 was taken into the air by one of the boulders in the next page or something, but he landed on CT on page 5/6.

How? The only picture we received of KN8 was it bursting out of the CT, and for all we know, KN8 could have smashed it's way from the center or even the outer edge.

How did CT destroy mountains? All it did was attract all the earth, rubble, etc in a mountain range.

[Akatsuki X]

I don't know about you but they were way outside of Konoha.

It did pull mountain+ layer so although its not a mountain bus, but it destroy a huge mountain+ layer. You are sort of contradicting yourself in that last statement Akatsuki X. :ugeek:

I don't think they were that far.

Anyways, it pretty much ripped up the earth from the entire surrounding area, it's not like it actually pulled a mountain into itself.

That's what I was trying to say.

[321zigzag3]

Because unless I'm mistaking of the lower half of a circle's circumference, which I'm not, than that was the lower half of Chibaku Tensei.

I can partially agree.


Yes, but how does surviving around a dozen tons of crushing pressure earn you the right to have mountain durability?

I don't know about you but that isn't a dozen tons of pressure. Chibaku Tensei in terms of entire pressure in tons ranges in millions if I recall.

I am not saying it had perfect mountian durability but really I think you are underestimating it.


Much MUCH less severe. The boulders are attracted inwards, not outwards.

Still surround pressure and weight and etc and what not..


He wasn't until the boulders struck him down. No it couldn't do anything because the artificial gravity generated from CT was too strong. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif


It was a few moments after Chibaku Tensei started that the Konoha ninjas started to notice it. KN6 was taken into the air by one of the boulders in the next page or something, but he landed on CT on page 5/6.

Unknown Time limit.


How? The only picture we received of KN8 was it bursting out of the CT, and for all we know, KN8 could have smashed it's way from the center or even the outer edge.

And that proves what I said about necessary strength and durability.


How did CT destroy mountains? All it did was attract all the earth, rubble, etc in a mountain range.

You know what I mean. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif


I don't think they were that far.

Anyways, it pretty much ripped up the earth from the entire surrounding area, it's not like it actually pulled a mountain into itself.

That's what I was trying to say.

They were that far. It isn't hard to see that Kishimoto tried to make it show it pulled up "mountains". Its easily mountain level despite its mountain level being a broad definition.

@ ziggy

I dunno why sompeople's brains can't contain the idea of being K8 or even K6 able to tank mountain, I mean come on , it's enormously strong & we saw together how was nullifying C.T

besides, we saw how the area around him was getting crashed.
maybe this idea is so big to be contained in their small brains.

they can't imagine what a tailed beast can do ?!

this as such , makes me upset.

Well Vatanui has the right to be skeptical. In fact it is understandable why he does so. Maybe he was going about it different interpretations or to be fair some people were saying mountain durability but there is a difference from being crushed and pierced and etc. Different types of attacks.


Ah don't be upset. Why should you?

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Then why are we arguing over it? http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

But thing is, KN6 never took that kind of pressure he only took the pressure of being squished to death by a dozen or so boulders.

There was no surrounding pressure. The only pressure was from the outside, because it was being attracted towards the core. To demonstrate it more detailed, I shall present to you a colorful, masterful demonstration. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Symbols
Pseudo Black Hole Core/Orb Thing - *
Boulders and Direction They are Lining - > or <, depending on the location.
KN6 - l

>>>>>>>>> * <<<<<<< l<<

So from my awesome diagram thingymajig, it shows that KN6 only had to deal with the pressure from the outside, because the layers of earth and rubble before him was attracted towards the pseudo black hole, not KN6.

And attraction gravity affects KN6, who withstood Pain's Shinra Tensei and knocked him back with pure recoils? http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Thing is, three pages won't exactly fill up a minute-long timespan. There also is the fact that, with KN6, he wouldn't exactly be constantly chasing Pain without blasting a few Menace Chakra Balls at him.

And also with my statement. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

[Bacon]

That 'attack' just crushed him under a few tons of earth and rubble. Being pressured by the weight of a few tons does not guarantee you mountain-level durability.
This arbitrary calculation that you pulled out of your behind doesn't help your case.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

This arbitrary calculation that you pulled out of your behind doesn't help your case.

O rlly? And would you please provide me with an explanation of why my supposedly arbitrary calculation is incorrect, in place of always blindly stating that my points are wrong and never explaining why they were incorrect?

[Bacon]

O rlly? And would you please provide me with an explanation of why my supposedly arbitrary calculation is incorrect, in place of always blindly stating that my points are wrong and never explaining why they were incorrect?

My Arbitrary estimates won't solve this.Please calm down, I was merely pointing out how offbase your post's estimate seems.:lol:

A few tons = 4000 pounds.

[Akatsuki X]

Then why are we arguing over it? http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

But thing is, KN6 never took that kind of pressure he only took the pressure of being squished to death by a dozen or so boulders.

There was no surrounding pressure. The only pressure was from the outside, because it was being attracted towards the core. To demonstrate it more detailed, I shall present to you a colorful, masterful demonstration. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Symbols
Pseudo Black Hole Core/Orb Thing - *
Boulders and Direction They are Lining - > or <, depending on the location.
KN6 - l

>>>>>>>>> * <<<<<<< l<<

So from my awesome diagram thingymajig, it shows that KN6 only had to deal with the pressure from the outside, because the layers of earth and rubble before him was attracted towards the pseudo black hole, not KN6.

And attraction gravity affects KN6, who withstood Pain's Shinra Tensei and knocked him back with pure recoils? http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Thing is, three pages won't exactly fill up a minute-long timespan. There also is the fact that, with KN6, he wouldn't exactly be constantly chasing Pain without blasting a few Menace Chakra Balls at him.

And also with my statement. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

This post ends this debate. `@x)

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

My Arbitrary estimates won't solve this.Please calm down, I was merely pointing out how offbase your post's estimate seems.:lol:

A few tons = 4000 pounds.

Two tons = 4,000 pounds, you mean.

[Nyruss]

Give or take.

[Bacon]

Vat is so fun to talk to. xD

[321zigzag3]

Then why are we arguing over it? http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

The only reason is because you said "few tons of pressure" I don't know about but that is incredibly ridiculous low estimate. No offense. That is the only reason why I even came here.

http://www.malibutimes.com/content/articles/2005/01/12/news/news1.jpg

This is supposedly a 300 ton boulder.
Go look at at chapter 439 first 4 pages. I mean seriously few dozen tons really? I am surprised nobody pointed how incredibly low that is.




But thing is, KN6 never took that kind of pressure he only took the pressure of being squished to death by a dozen or so boulders.


Now you are just sidestepping. CT in whole ranges in millions. KN6 was crushed in the outlayer, that is still way much more than few dozen tons. I still don't know how you got that number.


And attraction gravity affects KN6, who withstood Pain's Shinra Tensei and knocked him back with pure recoils? http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
Shinra Tensei is artificially repulsive force. CT is attractive. What it is so hard about it? Different forces.

Even the manga shows that too. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif



Thing is, three pages won't exactly fill up a minute-long timespan. There also is the fact that, with KN6, he wouldn't exactly be constantly chasing Pain without blasting a few Menace Chakra Balls at him.

The thing is we aren't incredibly sure what the time span is and Kishimoto likes to be broad in those situations.

You do realize that KN6's blast which was incredibly huge failed to break CT or dent it at all? So there also goes your bare edge which manga doesn't show that either.

This post ends this debate. `@x)

Nope. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

At least Akatsuki X you must know few tons of dozens makes absolutely no sense at all.

[tyrell4life194]

That 'attack' just crushed him under a few tons of earth and rubble. Being pressured by the weight of a few tons does not guarantee you mountain-level durability.
Wrong, the Chibaku Tensei has gravity strong enough to literally rip chunks of mountain sized rocks from the ground and masses of terrain. KN6 was literally being crushed by the mountain sized rocks, and was literally inside the Chibaku Tensei. Even just being inside the Chibaku Tensei is a durability feat, because like I said before, the gravity is strong enough to literally rip chunks of mountain sized rocks from the ground and masses of terrain. KN8 broke out of the Chibaku Tensei and overpowered the gravity.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Wrong, the Chibaku Tensei has gravity strong enough to literally rip chunks of mountain sized rocks from the ground and masses of terrain. KN6 was literally being crushed by the mountain sized rocks, and was literally inside the Chibaku Tensei. Even just being inside the Chibaku Tensei is a durability feat, because like I said before, the gravity is strong enough to literally rip chunks of mountain sized rocks from the ground and masses of terrain. KN8 broke out of the Chibaku Tensei and overpowered the gravity.

Post contradicted by earlier posts of mine last page or so.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

The only reason is because you said "few tons of pressure" I don't know about but that is incredibly ridiculous low estimate. No offense. That is the only reason why I even came here.

http://www.malibutimes.com/content/articles/2005/01/12/news/news1.jpg

This is supposedly a 300 ton boulder.
Go look at at chapter 439 first 4 pages. I mean seriously few dozen tons really? I am surprised nobody pointed how incredibly low that is.





Now you are just sidestepping. CT in whole ranges in millions. KN6 was crushed in the outlayer, that is still way much more than few dozen tons. I still don't know how you got that number.

Shinra Tensei is artificially repulsive force. CT is attractive. What it is so hard about it? Different forces.

Even the manga shows that too. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif



The thing is we aren't incredibly sure what the time span is and Kishimoto likes to be broad in those situations.

You do realize that KN6's blast which was incredibly huge failed to break CT or dent it at all? So there also goes your bare edge which manga doesn't show that either.



Nope. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

At least Akatsuki X you must know few tons of dozens makes absolutely no sense at all.

Chp. 439, Page 6. The boulders that struck KN6 down was NOWHERE near that large. There also is the fact that as I recall, I had stated that seven tons and a half was the absolute low end weight.

And like I pointed out with the diagram, those boulders didn't matter to KN6, seeing as that he never even touched 'em.

Not true. Kakashi was sucked towards Pain in his battle, same with Sage Mode Naruto, when the Chakra-Stealing one and Deva double-teamed on him. But even so, surviving the utter power of repulsion gravity is impressive.

And like I said, KN6 wouldn't be chasing after Deva for a minute without at least aiming a couple Menace Chakra Balls at 'im.

How was it 'huge'? It was the near the same size as the other Chakra Balls, and seeing as that he had brief time to charge it, it wouldn't be as near powerful as his earlier ones, like the one that wiped out a side of the Konoha wreckage. Um yeah, it actually does. Like I said earlier, on page four, the lower circumference of the circle, aka CT, was already nearly completed.

[321zigzag3]

Chp. 439, Page 6. The boulders that struck KN6 down was NOWHERE near that large. There also is the fact that as I recall, I had stated that seven tons and a half was the absolute low end weight.

Yes and no. Which is why I showed that boulder to you. Considering once again CT as a whole ranges in million ton range. What you are saying doesn't make sense. And finally, we don't know where you got that 7.5 tons from. http://i33.tinypic.com/2sb093m.jpg

And like I pointed out with the diagram, those boulders didn't matter to KN6, seeing as that he never even touched 'em.

Did you look at the part of the page where KN6 was flattened against the sphere and then crushed as more giant boulders came flattened against him?

Not true. Kakashi was sucked towards Pain in his battle, same with Sage Mode Naruto, when the Chakra-Stealing one and Deva double-teamed on him. But even so, surviving the utter power of repulsion gravity is impressive.

Not true in what? Also you can't be comparing Regular Shinra Tensei even a full powered one or Regular Bansho Tenin even a full powered one remotely to a CT's pull? Seriously I don't get this part of the argument. What KN6 experienced is not a giant one but a Regular one. http://i33.tinypic.com/2sb093m.jpg

And like I said, KN6 wouldn't be chasing after Deva for a minute without at least aiming a couple Menace Chakra Balls at 'im.

Or Kishimoto is just being lazy and showed that Deva and KN6 in a short amount of time which he only showed in like less than a Single Page.


How was it 'huge'? It was the near the same size as the other Chakra Balls, and seeing as that he had brief time to charge it, it wouldn't be as near powerful as his earlier ones, like the one that wiped out a side of the Konoha wreckage. Um yeah, it actually does. Like I said earlier, on page four, the lower circumference of the circle, aka CT, was already nearly completed.

KN6 had a brief time to charge it against Deva Path and its premature explosion was incredibly huge. This time KN6 managed to launch one and it failed to dent it. Even it wasn't so powerful being KN6 on a whole another level you see where I am going with this?

Or maybe Chibaku Tensei is just that huge? Considering that Kishimoto did try to portray Chibaku Tensei as multiple mountains in technically.

Or in the simple case, you have to realize that any KN6's explosion would be huge. I partially blame it on Kishimoto for not effectively portraying it but tailed beast menacing balls are always huge and KN6 did charge it.

Yes the dent of some level would have affected the area so CT had to draw even more matter.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

I will agree that CT is obviously millions of tons, seeing as that it took enough rubble and earth to fill in a mountain gap, but I am however referring to the sets of human-sized boulders that struck KN6 down on page 6. Since they are nowhere near the size and magnitude of the boulder picture you had posted, they are then definitely not that weight. However, 7.5 tons, I agree, is a low end argument, and it likely not true. The weight KN6 suffered likely is in the double digits; for the method of the mass measurement, I believe I used two hundred pounds per cubic feet, although I doubt that that was mine. So I'll try to find it again.

Look above. The boulders weren't giant, and there were only two sets of 'em.

Not true in Shinra Tensei being a repulsion gravity alone. I just stated that withstanding it and then countering it immediately afterwards was impressive, yet I never said that it was good enough to withstand a pseudo black hole. Do not assume, Ziggy Zaggy. http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2068/vegetamaybe.png

That is highly unreasonable. After all, the forming of CT did not take a minute, as seen from the speed the rubble was attracted in.

Chapter 439 page 5. It actually did manage to somewhat penetrate CT.

But thing is, CT is in the shape of an orb, and on page four, it showed the lower end of the circle, seeing as that you can see the mountains and forests below, and the earth rising upwards. Either Kishi was drunk and decided to draw the picture upside-down, or my reasonable counter was correct. http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2068/vegetamaybe.png

It is quite difficult to explode through condensed earth and gravity. But even so, there is the charge timing to consider.

[321zigzag3]

After seeing this I think we are talking past each other somewhat but no worries. We could be partially agreein without knowing. I will come back within over an hour and a half. 50 minute discussion class. http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2068/vegetamaybe.png

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Good. I have a narrative essay to do. http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2068/vegetamaybe.png

[321zigzag3]

I will agree that CT is obviously millions of tons, seeing as that it took enough rubble and earth to fill in a mountain gap

Ok good. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.pngPart of my work is successful. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

but I am however referring to the sets of human-sized boulders that struck KN6 down on page 6. Since they are nowhere near the size and magnitude of the boulder picture you had posted, they are then definitely not that weight. However, 7.5 tons, I agree, is a low end argument, and it likely not true. The weight KN6 suffered likely is in the double digits; for the method of the mass measurement, I believe I used two hundred pounds per cubic feet, although I doubt that that was mine. So I'll try to find it again.

Thats not the problem. The problem is where you got that 7.5 tons from. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Also you kept claiming few dozens of tons. Not my fault. http://i33.tinypic.com/2sb093m.jpg



Look above. The boulders weren't giant, and there were only two sets of 'em.

Many of them were though. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Not true in Shinra Tensei being a repulsion gravity alone. I just stated that withstanding it and then countering it immediately afterwards was impressive, yet I never said that it was good enough to withstand a pseudo black hole. Do not assume, Ziggy Zaggy. http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2068/vegetamaybe.png

Shinra Tensei is repulsion. Bansho Tenin is attraction. What is there to say? http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Well then Matanui I mean Vatanui of the Bionicle why then did you reply? http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Simple agreement should have sufficed. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

That is highly unreasonable. After all, the forming of CT did not take a minute, as seen from the speed the rubble was attracted in.

Did I not say unknown time limit. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png Nevertheless this prt doesn't disprove what I said about Kishimoto drawing Deva and KN6 in an unknown short amount of time and being lazy. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

So how is that unreasonable? http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Chapter 439 page 5. It actually did manage to somewhat penetrate CT.

So you admit I was right about KN6 blast. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

But thing is, CT is in the shape of an orb, and on page four, it showed the lower end of the circle, seeing as that you can see the mountains and forests below, and the earth rising upwards. Either Kishi was drunk and decided to draw the picture upside-down, or my reasonable counter was correct. http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2068/vegetamaybe.png

How does this post counter that CT is made up of mountain+ level? http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

It is quite difficult to explode through condensed earth and gravity. But even so, there is the charge timing to consider.

But it did. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png So what is your problem? http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Why the many smileys? http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Look at post twenty-two. But like I said, it was an absolute low end estimate. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Because it seems near the dozens. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Not the ones that struck down KN6. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

A lot. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Because I felt like it. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Because Kishimoto doesn't troll majorly like Kubo. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

You said it didn't even make a dent. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

It's obvious that it's mountain level, what I was referring to was to your argument of the widescreen picture of CT on page 4 not being the lower end of it.

Incorrect. It only smashed through it for a few dozen meters through the rock, and then died.

[321zigzag3]

Why the many smileys? http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

http://i33.tinypic.com/2sb093m.jpg

Look at post twenty-two. But like I said, it was an absolute low end estimate. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

But it still doesn't change how it massively underestimates factoring in total CT's size. But you seem to know have acknowledged that. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png


Because it seems near the dozens. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Thats too small. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Not the ones that struck down KN6. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png Yes and no. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

A lot. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Because I felt like it. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Because Kishimoto doesn't troll majorly like Kubo. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

You said it didn't even make a dent. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png I meant in terms of how KN6's blast failed to make a dent overall. It didn't. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png But on short scale where KN6 was going to yes it did. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png
It's obvious that it's mountain level, what I was referring to was to your argument of the widescreen picture of CT on page 4 not being the lower end of it.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Incorrect. It only smashed through it for a few dozen meters through the rock, and then died.

Or the CT was so huge it just masked it and I said partially blame on Kishimoto. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

[Dio Brando]

Holy ;);););) tl;dr

Also Vatanui AKA Pride kun why do you even care, its a freaking manga for goodness sakes. Mountain Durability, bla bla bla Durability, why do you care? :)

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Apparently, there's enough care for it to have it's own forum section here.

[321zigzag3]

Holy ;);););) tl;dr

Also Vatanui AKA Pride kun why do you even care, its a freaking manga for goodness sakes. Mountain Durability, bla bla bla Durability, why do you care? :)

You are the same guy who cares that people care.

Let it go. Let them be. Lets not be serious.

Why do so many people in the internet debate about it? In comparison to the total populations its quite small but that goes for so many groups and interests.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

http://i33.tinypic.com/2sb093m.jpg



But it still doesn't change how it massively underestimates factoring in total CT's size. But you seem to know have acknowledged that. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png




Thats too small. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

Yes and no. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

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http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

I meant in terms of how KN6's blast failed to make a dent overall. It didn't. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png But on short scale where KN6 was going to yes it did. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png


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Or the CT was so huge it just masked it and I said partially blame on Kishimoto. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2889/maybepimp.png

I never underestimated CT's total size. I just doubted it's destructive capability, and the amount of weight KN6 took.

It managed to penetrate several meters through CT, which is a somewhat-impressive feat in it's own.

Or we just blame you and your blaming of Kishimoto.

:zaru