Just thought of something. One of Madara's destinations.

[TheBlackChidori]

He's going to have to return to Konoha. Remember when he was telling the Kage's about the hidden tablet under the Uchiha's secret meeting place? He said it needed to be read in order with special doujutsu, The Sharingan, The Mongekyo Sharingan, and the Rinnegan in that order.

I highly doubt he took the stone tablet with him after the Uchiha massacre, especially with Danzo knowing about it. But Danzo's gone now, so alot of the protection in Konoha will be gone as well. Oh Danzo, you may be dead but you still live on.

Also, Danzo referred to the Hyuga leader as traitors in that meeting. I'm still curious to know why. Madara is connected to Yagura, who is connected to Ao, who was connected to Shisui, who was connected to Madara and Danzo. At some point, the Byakugan was added to the mix and only Danzo and Ao have mentioned it at all.

How did Zabuza come to find out that Yagura was under Madara's control? The only way I could see it happening is by someone with the Byakugan(Ao) finding out, and informing Zabuza. But why did he have the eye, and what is Hizashi not telling anyone?

[Jonesy]

Hmm, I wonder the same thing....interesting. Madara you crazy scoundrel.

[darkdemonofthemist]

I just know that pretty much all Madara has to do to infiltrate the village is wear a rice hat like Itachi and Kisame did. At least he doesn't have to worry about that.

[Blah.]

Very interesting thought, but I believe the tablet claims to sort of explain the secrets and history of the dojutsu, and it seems like madara knows everything there is to know about those techniques if he is manipulating them and formulating plans based off of them so i'm not completely sure madara has any reason to return for that reason...

however, it is interesting to see how everything COULD be connected..I too believe the Byakugan will have its time. im curious as to how that ties into this whole thing.

[Jakropha]

I think that they used Neji's Dads eye and gave it to Ao, because everyone thinks that Hinata's dad made him, except Neji and a few Character's now.
I used the Parental reference because I forgot the difference to Hizashi and Hiashi

Correct me if im wrong but

Hiashi=Main House
Hizashi=Branch House

:?

[zerosameri]

How is Ao connected to Shisui?
Also Madara's master plan needs the Juubi any ways... So why not take the tablet, read up on the Juubi and make his life/plan more simple on his end....

[Jakropha]

Ao had made contact with Shisui in the past, otherwise he wouldnt have been able to differentiate his 'Color' of chakra :lol:

And you didnt answer my question!!!!!!!!

[TheBlackChidori]

Very interesting thought, but I believe the tablet claims to sort of explain the secrets and history of the dojutsu, and it seems like madara knows everything there is to know about those techniques if he is manipulating them and formulating plans based off of them so i'm not completely sure madara has any reason to return for that reason...

however, it is interesting to see how everything COULD be connected..I too believe the Byakugan will have its time. im curious as to how that ties into this whole thing.

Well think about it. Itachi didn't learn about the Mongekyo until he went to read the hidden tablet with his Sharingan, and he was one of the few who unlocked it, just like when he told Sasuke to go read it. Reading it with the Mongekyo, which its safe to assume that both Madara and Itachi have done, tells you ways to unlock the Rinnegan. This could be one of the major reasons Itachi left and joined Akatsuki. Sure to keep an eye on the group, but to keep an eye on the Rinnegan, as well.

Jiraiya didn't know about the Rinnegan until much later, even though Itachi was his informant. It's safe to say that Itachi knew Pain had the Rinnegan, since they would have met at one point, at least seen it through the Bijuu-Extraction rituals.

It can be said in theory, that the Uchiha stone tablet could have once belonged to the Eldest Son of the Sage. He is the one who inherited the powers of Rikudou's eyes, so it makes sense that he should create the tablet with the secret of Doujutsu. Perhaps there's more to learn about Doujutsu yet. Madara has the Rinnegan and the Sharingan, but his eye's still aren't complete. Why?

And don't say its because of the Juubi, cause it's not. It has something to do with the Younger son of the Sage.

How is Ao connected to Shisui?
Also Madara's master plan needs the Juubi any ways... So why not take the tablet, read up on the Juubi and make his life/plan more simple on his end....

Ao admitted to fighting Shisui?

[deidara330]

Good theory. Only problem is, Madara already had the Rinnegan before. Unless he randomly discovered the tablet before, he would've already known about it and tried to read it in the earlier days of Konoha, before he left the village, and before he gave Nagato his Rinnegan.

Danzo didn't call the Hyuga leader a traitor. In fact, he didn't call any specific Hyuga a traitor. He merely said that if he'd known any Hyuga had turned traitor, he would've gotten rid of them. Ao's Byakugan is a more minor mystery of the Naruto story.

We don't know for a fact that Zabuza ever found out anything about Madara. We just know he attempted to assassinate a Mizukage, and it had to be either the Fourth or Fifth. He may not have known anything at all and simply have tried to take the Mizukage position for himself. We do know that Ao's Byakugan saw through the Genjutsu put on Yagura, but that's it. We're not even sure he knew Madara was the one controlling Yagura.

I think the tablet spoke of the Six Paths. How else would Madara know about the Six Paths, when the Sage of the Six Paths himself is considered a myth among most ninja these days? Something that required the Sharingan, Mangekyo Sharingan, and Rinnegan would ensure that only an immensely small group of people could know the full truth. If Madara already had the Rinnegan, it means Madara already read the full story, and he knows about the Six Paths. Who, by the way, I theorize are people. In fact, I think this is why he wants Sasuke so much, because he believes Sasuke to be the Fourth (or maybe Fifth or Sixth) path.

[TheBlackChidori]

Good theory. Only problem is, Madara already had the Rinnegan before. Unless he randomly discovered the tablet before, he would've already known about it and tried to read it in the earlier days of Konoha, before he left the village, and before he gave Nagato his Rinnegan.

From what we can tell, Madara has never had the Rinnegan implanted into his eyes. Sounds to me like he needed to do alot of things before his body could actually handle that.

It's safe to say that he didn't have the Rinnegan up to his fight with Hashirama. Its safe to say he didn't sneak back into the village anytime until....

It's safe to say that he didn't have the Rinnegan when he attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi. He couldn't have read it then.

He wouldn't have had it during the Uchiha Massacre. This was already after Nagato had received the Rinnegan.

Kishi maybe a master of plot holes, but I dont think there was another time Madara would have gotten into the village, that we haven't heard story of.

Danzo didn't call the Hyuga leader a traitor. In fact, he didn't call any specific Hyuga a traitor. He merely said that if he'd known any Hyuga had turned traitor, he would've gotten rid of them. Ao's Byakugan is a more minor mystery of the Naruto story.

Eh, I got no proof of that really except multiple translations of the same sentence. I still just think there's more behind the Hyuga affair then people realize.



We don't know for a fact that Zabuza ever found out anything about Madara. We just know he attempted to assassinate a Mizukage, and it had to be either the Fourth or Fifth. He may not have known anything at all and simply have tried to take the Mizukage position for himself. We do know that Ao's Byakugan saw through the Genjutsu put on Yagura, but that's it. We're not even sure he knew Madara was the one controlling Yagura.

It's doubtful that Ao knew that it was Madara controlling him, very few people even knew he was alive 10 years later. But he saw that someone was controlling him, regardless. It also seems he's teammates with Chojiro, one of the 7 Swordsman, and close partner to Zabuza. Zabuza had to learn of it somehow, right?

So why did Zabuza flee afterward, completely give up after the assassination attempt? Did he find out about Madara, and know that he had no chance of stopping it anymore? Or perhaps he learned of Madara's existance from Kisame, whom I very much believe had a much closer relationship to Zazuza then we know. Hopefully Suigetsu can divulge that much


White

[zerosameri]

Ao admitted to fighting Shisui?
other than that.

[TheBlackChidori]

other than that.

He identified his chakra inside of Danzo? Not just his chakra but his eye. He was fully aware of Shisui's mind control jutsu. Had Ao been put under the mind control at any point, he'd be dead. This can only mean that he's seen Shisui use it.

[zerosameri]

He identified his chakra inside of Danzo? Not just his chakra but his eye. He was fully aware of Shisui's mind control jutsu. Had Ao been put under the mind control at any point, he'd be dead. This can only mean that he's seen Shisui use it.Ok I get it. And how do you know if he was put under control he'll be dead?

also how do you know that Yagura ever spoke to Ao or vis versa?

[tyler]

Madara has already read the Tablet. Actually he got someone to read it for him.

To find out who read this:

http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77979

[deidara330]

From what we can tell, Madara has never had the Rinnegan implanted into his eyes. Sounds to me like he needed to do alot of things before his body could actually handle that.

It's safe to say that he didn't have the Rinnegan up to his fight with Hashirama. Its safe to say he didn't sneak back into the village anytime until....

It's safe to say that he didn't have the Rinnegan when he attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi. He couldn't have read it then.

He wouldn't have had it during the Uchiha Massacre. This was already after Nagato had received the Rinnegan.

Kishi maybe a master of plot holes, but I dont think there was another time Madara would have gotten into the village, that we haven't heard story of.He never said he obtained them. (Not to imply you said he obtained them, which you didn't say.) To have obtained them he'd either how to somehow genetically re-create them or take them from someone else who had them. I really doubt either case is likely, though. It looks to me from the way he acts that he literally inherited them. He's Madara Uchiha, you know, it's totally possible. In fact it may have been a byproduct of the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. We don't know enough even to say implanting them has any affects on the user's body. We know Kakashi implanted his Sharingan without a hitch. Sure, he can't use it as effectively as any normal Uchiha could, but it wasn't like his body couldn't handle it.

Actually, his flashback doesn't tell us much. As far as we knew, he never had the Rinnegan. He suddenly says he had them and it's just like "lolwut?" because the flashbacks don't even hint at him having it, even during the Nine-Tails attack. The most likely time he would've had it would be before he left the village. That is, most likely to fit into the plot. See, the thing is, if he were heading over to read the tablet now, it wouldn't make sense. If you need the Sharingan, MS, and Rinnegan to read the tablet, then not having any one of those things would mean you'd have no idea you'd need the other two to read the full thing. The problem is how Madara knew at the time of the Kage Meeting that the Rinnegan was required. No one alive could truly have known except the most ancient of creatures, and if Madara didn't know he lacked that knowledge, he wouldn't seek it from them. It's more likely that Madara only knew about this requirement because the first or second time he read it, he had the Rinnegan and learned the full truth.

My main concern about the tablet is the Six Paths. The Six Paths is associated with the Sage of the Six Paths, the most ancient of ninja. The only possible record old enough to show what the Six Paths are is the Uchiha's tablet. Madara was born after the Sage's time, likely long after it would've been passed down by word of mouth. He already knows what the Six Paths are, and the only way he could've known was the tablet. And the only way he could've fully read and understood the tablet was if he had the Rinnegan.

As for the Zabuza and Madara thing, I consider that minor in comparison to the Six Paths and such. Really, I'm not trying too hard to look into that. Zabuza could've learned Yagura was being controlled and attacked Madara because of it. The biggest part is that Yagura was no longer the Three-Tails host by the start of the series, so this is possibly the direct result of an attack from Zabuza, or possibly even multiple Seven Swordsmen members who rebelled.

Your thing about the Hyuga Clan fits into my forum theory that everyone has some theory they're really hung up on. For you, it's something to do with the Hyuga Clan and Hiashi or Hizashi (whichever one is the one that's still alive.) For Sticky, it's this thing about Sasuke frying Zetsu with Amaterasu. For me, it's probably the Six Paths, and/or Madara controlling Sasuke.

[TheBlackChidori]

Ok I get it. And how do you know if he was put under control he'll be dead?

also how do you know that Yagura ever spoke to Ao or vis versa?

Ao was a Jonin of the village, and Yagura was the Mizukage. Does Konoha's Hokage not talk to any of their shinobi? o.0


Later deidara, too sleepy to reply right now =p

[zerosameri]

Ao was a Jonin of the village, and Yagura was the Mizukage. Does Konoha's Hokage not talk to any of their shinobi? o.0


Later deidara, too sleepy to reply right now =p
for all we know, he might not of had been a Jonin then :lol:

[deidara330]

Bump.

Ao was a Jonin of the village, and Yagura was the Mizukage. Does Konoha's Hokage not talk to any of their shinobi? o.0

Later deidara, too sleepy to reply right now =pAww, I was looking forward to your reply too. `:(

Yeah, the Kages do have the greatest connection with their Jonin more than anyone else.

[EvL j3st3r]

He's going to have to return to Konoha. Remember when he was telling the Kage's about the hidden tablet under the Uchiha's secret meeting place? He said it needed to be read in order with special doujutsu, The Sharingan, The Mongekyo Sharingan, and the Rinnegan in that order.

I highly doubt he took the stone tablet with him after the Uchiha massacre, especially with Danzo knowing about it. But Danzo's gone now, so alot of the protection in Konoha will be gone as well. Oh Danzo, you may be dead but you still live on.

Also, Danzo referred to the Hyuga leader as traitors in that meeting. I'm still curious to know why. Madara is connected to Yagura, who is connected to Ao, who was connected to Shisui, who was connected to Madara and Danzo. At some point, the Byakugan was added to the mix and only Danzo and Ao have mentioned it at all.

How did Zabuza come to find out that Yagura was under Madara's control? The only way I could see it happening is by someone with the Byakugan(Ao) finding out, and informing Zabuza. But why did he have the eye, and what is Hizashi not telling anyone?


So much of this doesn't even ring a bell! I read the manga chapter by chapter, week by week............How do I not recall these events!?!?!?!?