Chiyo + Sakura vs. Naruto [Archive] - Naruto Discussion Forum

J-Sun Tasogare

10-09-2010, 07:27 PM

Location: Open Field with a lot of rocks
Distance: 50 feet

Condtions: Not Kyuubi at all. Naruto can only use clones and taijutsu, and he can only go up to 150 clones. Chiyo starts with her puppets out and can resurrect three puppets if they die, and can only do this once.

Scenario 1: Speed is equal

Scenario 2: Speed is unequal, and IC is on, but both sides have the intent to win.

SimpleGenin

10-09-2010, 07:32 PM

I've seen more then enough feats from Sage Mode Naruto
to think he'd win this, without a problem.

If its just base Naruto, Chiyo stands a good chance of
beating Naruto. Especially if she used "Multiple Digits"

Devil's Lawyer

10-09-2010, 07:43 PM

Sagemode Naruto speed, strength, and recovery are all above kyubi base abilities. Using just taijutsu and clones he can blitz through puppets. Not to mention his Hulk jump which is almost equivalent to flying.

321zigzag3

10-09-2010, 07:44 PM

Sakura does so well against SM Naruto. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2z7exox.png

Devil's Lawyer

10-09-2010, 07:48 PM

More like she gets slapped by Naruto for getting out of line.

321zigzag3

10-09-2010, 07:54 PM

Naruto will never slap Sakura in actuality sadly.

Devil's Lawyer

10-09-2010, 07:57 PM

That is true. That Naruto under the waterfall would. He would slap her out boredom.

Akatsuki X

10-09-2010, 08:04 PM

Not at all.

Even in base Naruto rapes.

Summons destroys Chiyo's puppets.
FRS.
Sage Mode.

The only way Sakura and Chiyo wins is if Sakura shows him her non-existant boobs in character.

Devil's Lawyer

10-09-2010, 08:08 PM

Read the thread starter he can only use taijutsu and clones. Seriously though he should take this though if he gets cut by Chiyo puppets the battle would turn in their favor. They all have poisoned weapons.

321zigzag3

10-09-2010, 08:08 PM

I think what really occurs is that that Chiyo betrays Sakura out of the necessity to save everyone's dignity.

Akatsuki X

10-09-2010, 08:14 PM

Oh, well forget my last post then.

Naruto should still win in SM.
His strength feats are quite impressive, as shown when he casually tossed the huge Rhino summon during his fight with Animal Path.

He should be able to smash most of the puppets and dodge poison weapons.

J-Sun Tasogare

10-10-2010, 08:07 AM

When I said Taijutsu and Clones only I met that only so there is no SM :roll:

mikeiskewl922

10-10-2010, 08:24 AM

J-Sun Tasogare

10-10-2010, 08:35 AM

S1: I think Chiyo's puppets could destroy some of the clones, and Sakura did well against Sasori's 100 Puppets so why not clones?

S2: I think now the clones have an advantage, but Sakura could super-punch the ground again..
The clones have the ability to think as individuals and plan like they did against Deva make shields and such, so they're smarter than Sasori's puppets.

Clones could make the rope and fling themselves at Sakura.

mikeiskewl922

10-10-2010, 12:02 PM

The clones have the ability to think as individuals and plan like they did against Deva make shields and such, so they're smarter than Sasori's puppets.

Clones could make the rope and fling themselves at Sakura.

True. But Sakura could punch the ground.. And with equal speed, i think Sakura, MIGHT be able to dodge it.

Point taken..

**And Sakura has her Healing...

Patronized

10-10-2010, 12:05 PM

tyrell4life194

10-10-2010, 12:22 PM

Well, with only Taijustsu and Clones, I think Chiyo and Sakura would win. If Chiyo starts out with puppets, and with Sakura with her side, I don't think only Taijustsu and Clones could be enough to handle it.Not exactly. Naruto plans through in battles, like the ones with Pain and Kakuzu. Though his intelligence is downplayed for most of the series, he is one of the most strategic ninjas in Konoha Village. He knows what Sakura's capable of, and we all know he's must faster than her. Even though she has incredible strength, it doesn't matter if you can't keep up with your opponent, let alone land a hit on him. Also, Chiyo is only great at long range. Puppet Masters are vulnerable at close range, because they're not used to short ranged attacks, and they rarely rely on taijutsu. An example would be Kankuro trying to take on Shino. Chiyo will either get speedblitz by Naruto, or will get destracted enough for Naruto to land a decent hit on her.

mikeiskewl922

10-10-2010, 12:32 PM

Patronized

10-10-2010, 12:50 PM

Not exactly. Naruto plans through in battles, like the ones with Pain and Kakuzu. Though his intelligence is downplayed for most of the series, he is one of the most strategic ninjas in Konoha Village. He knows what Sakura's capable of, and we all know he's must faster than her. Even though she has incredible strength, it doesn't matter if you can't keep up with your opponent, let alone land a hit on him. Also, Chiyo is only great at long range. Puppet Masters are vulnerable at close range, because they're not used to short ranged attacks, and they rarely rely on taijutsu. An example would be Kankuro trying to take on Shino. Chiyo will either get speedblitz by Naruto, or will get destracted enough for Naruto to land a decent hit on her.
Assuming that Naruto will have clones when he attacks, Sakura would be able to attack. Not ALL of his clones could be able to outspeed her. Also, Sakura could handle several punches. She's been through intense training with Tsunade, and also healing is on her side.

Chiyo's puppets could serve as a distraction before the clones actually reach her. Her puppets are elite. They took on Sasori's army of puppets at close range. If Naruto DOES manage to get to her, she wouldn't pass out from a punch or two. Her puppets are used as a defense too. Also, her puppets do have short range attacks. They wield weapons.

Sakura and Chiyo do have attacks that could be able to wipe out a large amount of numbers. For instance, Sakura has her Earth Strike, while Chiyo's Vacuum Destruction is proven deadly.

Kakuzu

10-10-2010, 12:52 PM

Sakura and Chiyo don't stand a chance. Sakura wouldn't have the courage to fight Naruto, but if so, Sakura gets obliterated with a rasen-shuriken.

Now, Chiyo is the only problem. Her puppets can be extremely quick and fluent. And with each puppet having a different weapon or technique, this could be a real challenge for Naruto. Naruto's Sage Mode is far too overpowering for the puppets. One of Naruto's thrown rasen-shurikens could easily take out all the puppets. However, if Naruto is injured for any reason, the summoned toads can finish the fight while Naruto quickly recovers due to the Nine-Tails' chakra and Sage Mode's recovery rate (if need be). Naruto COULD bring out 150 clones, but Three Treasures Destruction Vacuum would deal with most of them.

Overall, Naruto wins.

321zigzag3

10-10-2010, 12:56 PM

I see a new poster by Tyrell4life.

I believe I know him as a fellow youtuber. http://i39.tinypic.com/29gn6yq.gif

Patronized

10-10-2010, 12:56 PM

Sakura and Chiyo don't stand a chance. Sakura wouldn't have the courage to fight Naruto, but if so, Sakura gets obliterated with a rasen-shuriken.

Now, Chiyo is the only problem. Her puppets can be extremely quick and fluent. And with each puppet having a different weapon or technique, this could be a real challenge for Naruto. Naruto's Sage Mode is far too overpowering for the puppets. One of Naruto's thrown rasen-shurikens could easily take out all the puppets. However, if Naruto is injured for any reason, the summoned toads can finish the fight while Naruto quickly recovers due to the Nine-Tails' chakra and Sage Mode's recovery rate (if need be).

Overall, Naruto wins.
Emotions and outside experience don't make a factor in the battlegrounds. It's a just a straight out battle. In the arena, they're both enemies of each other. No matter if they love each other or whatever.

First post says ONLY Taijustsu and Clones. Rasen-Shuriken is a Ninjustsu, and Sage Mode is Senjutsu, so that automatically cancels out.

J-Sun Tasogare

10-10-2010, 01:09 PM

True. But Sakura could punch the ground.. And with equal speed, i think Sakura, MIGHT be able to dodge it.

Point taken..

**And Sakura has her Healing...
She could but that's not going to kill a lto of clones, and for that to be effective the clones would have to be in close range, so she'd get swarmed on her way up.

That can come in handy.
Well, with only Taijustsu and Clones, I think Chiyo and Sakura would win. If Chiyo starts out with puppets, and with Sakura with her side, I don't think only Taijustsu and Clones could be enough to handle it.
Remember she also has Father and Mother puppets too, as well as being able to control Sakura at the same time. But Naruto's clones have shown high intelligence than Sasori's puppets and can group up together easier. Also once clones deplete Naruto can make more.
Sakura and Chiyo don't stand a chance. Sakura wouldn't have the courage to fight Naruto, but if so, Sakura gets obliterated with a rasen-shuriken.

Now, Chiyo is the only problem. Her puppets can be extremely quick and fluent. And with each puppet having a different weapon or technique, this could be a real challenge for Naruto. Naruto's Sage Mode is far too overpowering for the puppets. One of Naruto's thrown rasen-shurikens could easily take out all the puppets. However, if Naruto is injured for any reason, the summoned toads can finish the fight while Naruto quickly recovers due to the Nine-Tails' chakra and Sage Mode's recovery rate (if need be). Naruto COULD bring out 150 clones, but Three Treasures Destruction Vacuum would deal with most of them.

Overall, Naruto wins.
Read the OP.

Patronized

10-10-2010, 01:15 PM

Remember she also has Father and Mother puppets too, as well as being able to control Sakura at the same time. But Naruto's clones have shown high intelligence than Sasori's puppets and can group up together easier. Also once clones deplete Naruto can make more.Well, Naruto could only make up to 150 clones, no? Or did you mean 150 at a time?

tyrell4life194

10-10-2010, 01:46 PM

I see a new poster by Tyrell4life.

I believe I know him as a fellow youtuber. http://i39.tinypic.com/29gn6yq.gif
I got a question for you. Why the HELL did you put my business out like that?

tyrell4life194

10-10-2010, 01:51 PM

Read the OP.. Theres 2 scenerios.

Sakura is close-range though.

They're both long-range...

What would distract her, and why would Sakura just stand there and watch..

Plus, you never said anything about him making clones, so is he fighting alone in this post, because if so, he srands NO chance.

Oh, my mistake

Scenario 1: Since speed is equal, Naruto can't speedblitz, and even though Sakura has more strength in her punches, Naruto is easily class 100 strength in Sage Mode. His strategic thinking also increases in Sage Mode, enabling him to create a shadow shuriken technique with 2 rasenshurikens, and to disguise himself as a rasenshuriken. It would be a close battle, but I think with his thinking, he might just pull off a win.
Scenario 2: Not even close. Naruto speedblitzes.

321zigzag3

10-10-2010, 01:52 PM

I got a question for you. Why the HELL did you put my business out like that?

All I said was youtuber. It can mean anything by broad definition.

I didn't realize it was too personal for you. My bad.

Geez man you are still quick on the insults no matter what although this time is understandable since I didn't think you would have any problems.

Devil's Lawyer

10-10-2010, 01:53 PM

Regardless of sagemode or not naruto still takes the win. 150 clone paper bomb barrage is more than enough to collapse Sakura. Not to mention the clone information gathering would pick off Chiyo fighting techniques.

tyrell4life194

10-10-2010, 01:54 PM

All I said was youtuber. It can mean anything by broad definition.

I didn't realize it was too personal for you. My bad.

Geez man you are still quick on the insults no matter what although this time is understandable since I didn't think you would have any problems.
Thx dude, my bad for getting all worked up. I've been keeping my insulting under control, and now I'm here to help out my fellow friends. You don't mind if you can rep me?

321zigzag3

10-10-2010, 01:57 PM

Thx dude, my bad for getting all worked up. I've been keeping my insulting under control, and now I'm here to help out my fellow friends. You don't mind if you can rep me?

I was the guy who got you out of red saying you need rep. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/hm.pnghttp://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/gun.png

It was my way of saying hello.

tyrell4life194

10-10-2010, 02:16 PM

I was the guy who got you out of red saying you need rep. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/hm.pnghttp://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/gun.png

It was my way of saying hello.
Thx dude, and for that, i'm gonna approve this comment.

J-Sun Tasogare

10-10-2010, 03:13 PM

Well, Naruto could only make up to 150 clones, no? Or did you mean 150 at a time?
Can only make up to 150 clones, once some are killed he can make more, but he can't leave the battleground so Chiyo and Sakura can still kill him before he make more.

Patronized

10-10-2010, 03:24 PM

Can only make up to 150 clones, once some are killed he can make more, but he can't leave the battleground so Chiyo and Sakura can still kill him before he make more.
umm, Alright let's go with that.

tyrell4life194

10-10-2010, 05:03 PM

Can only make up to 150 clones, once some are killed he can make more, but he can't leave the battleground so Chiyo and Sakura can still kill him before he make more.
I can see you guys are severly underestimating Naruto. Sakura will be dealt with because even though the speed is equal in Scenario 1, she doesn't have the skill, strength, or strategy like Naruto has. If he can destract her with a shadow clone, then he can kill her with a Rasengan. Chiyo is a problem. She had the mother and father puppets, but puppetmasters aren't good with Taijutsu. If Naruto can get close enough, then he wins. If not, then I'm not so sure.

Scenario 2? Naruto stomps this.

mikeiskewl922

10-10-2010, 05:08 PM

Oh, my mistake

Scenario 1: Since speed is equal, Naruto can't speedblitz, and even though Sakura has more strength in her punches, Naruto is easily class 100 strength in Sage Mode. His strategic thinking also increases in Sage Mode, enabling him to create a shadow shuriken technique with 2 rasenshurikens, and to disguise himself as a rasenshuriken. It would be a close battle, but I think with his thinking, he might just pull off a win.
Scenario 2: Not even close. Naruto speedblitzes.

Lol, it's okay if your neww...

-Can't use SM or FRS.. He can only use, CLONES AND TAIJUTSU...

-I dont think Naruto's fast enough to speedblitz.. He's not that fast..

tyrell4life194

10-10-2010, 05:12 PM

Lol, it's okay if your neww...

-Can't use SM or FRS.. He can only use, CLONES AND TAIJUTSU...

-I dont think Naruto's fast enough to speedblitz.. He's not that fast..
Oh my bad bro. He can still pull off a win, if he play's the game right. He's still extremely strategic. If he can destract Sakura long enough to land a decent hit on her, then all he has to worry about is Chiyo.

Not that fast? Oh really? When he appeared being Deidara and landed a punch, and you don't think that's fast? Besides, you're missing the point. Chiyo can't go anywhere, if she's using puppets. Puppet masters are vulnerable in close range attacks. So she'll get speedblitz regardless if he's fast or not.

mikeiskewl922

10-10-2010, 05:21 PM

Oh my bad bro. He can still pull off a win, if he play's the game right. He's still extremely strategic. If he can destract Sakura long enough to land a decent hit on her, then all he has to worry about is Chiyo.

Not that fast? Oh really? When he appeared being Deidara and landed a punch, and you don't think that's fast? Besides, you're missing the point. Chiyo can't go anywhere, if she's using puppets. Puppet masters are vulnerable in close range attacks. So she'll get speedblitz regardless if he's fast or not.

Not sure.. She has healing, and she faired well against 100, although 150 would be harder, he wouldnbt focua all 150 on her, maybe 75 for her, and 75 on Chiyo. And Sakura did well against he 100, along with Chiyo.. And with Chiyos help, she had amazing evasive skills...

If my memory serves me right, he had help from the 9-Tails theen.. And Sakura could help if they go close range, or move closer, they could fight back-to-back.

tyrell4life194

10-10-2010, 05:47 PM

Not sure.. She has healing, and she faired well against 100, although 150 would be harder, he wouldnbt focua all 150 on her, maybe 75 for her, and 75 on Chiyo. And Sakura did well against he 100, along with Chiyo.. And with Chiyos help, she had amazing evasive skills...

If my memory serves me right, he had help from the 9-Tails theen.. And Sakura could help if they go close range, or move closer, they could fight back-to-back.
Yes you are right. But I highly doubt Naruto will use the clones mainly for offense. He would either use them for a destraction, or he can use them to tire out an enemy. Then when the time is right, he will send a flurry of kicks and punches towards Sakura. Besides, Naruto has been able to hold his own against Kakashi, Kiba, and Neji, I don't know if Sakura can.

You are absolutely correct. But if Sakura wants to fight Naruto back-to-back, she needs to destroy all of his clones. Mainly, I don't find her taijutsu skills that impressive. To me, Naruto's taijutsu skills are more impressive, because he was also able to hold his own w/o SM against Deva Path.

mikeiskewl922

10-10-2010, 06:02 PM

Yes you are right. But I highly doubt Naruto will use the clones mainly for offense. He would either use them for a destraction, or he can use them to tire out an enemy. Then when the time is right, he will send a flurry of kicks and punches towards Sakura. Besides, Naruto has been able to hold his own against Kakashi, Kiba, and Neji, I don't know if Sakura can.

You are absolutely correct. But if Sakura wants to fight Naruto back-to-back, she needs to destroy all of his clones. Mainly, I don't find her taijutsu skills that impressive. To me, Naruto's taijutsu skills are more impressive, because he was also able to hold his own w/o SM against Deva Path.

Sakura could use the clones against him. Like pick one up, and tyhrow it at the rest or something. Just a thought. And if they came in a group, she could punch the ground. If the go areial, then Chiyo helps with her puppets. Those fights were ALL Pre-Time-Skip.. And i don't remember the Kakashi fight...

But even if his skills are better, she can has the strentgh where if she punchs the ground, there go a large amount of clones. And if she punches the ground a bunch of times, then what will happen to the clones? And he didnt really 'hold his own' against Deva, he kinda got beat up, until the other SM clone was ready..

tyrell4life194

10-10-2010, 06:29 PM

Sakura could use the clones against him. Like pick one up, and tyhrow it at the rest or something. Just a thought. And if they came in a group, she could punch the ground. If the go areial, then Chiyo helps with her puppets. Those fights were ALL Pre-Time-Skip.. And i don't remember the Kakashi fight...

But even if his skills are better, she can has the strentgh where if she punchs the ground, there go a large amount of clones. And if she punches the ground a bunch of times, then what will happen to the clones? And he didnt really 'hold his own' against Deva, he kinda got beat up, until the other SM clone was ready..
The clones just disappear as soon as they are hit. Even if Sakura throws one of the clones at all of the other clones, a few clones at most will disappear. I was talkin about that Kakashi fight AFTER the Pre-Time Skip

No, Naruto didn't get beat up. I mean, he was backing up, but he was either dodging or blocking all of the Deva Path's attacks. Yeah, the majority of the clones will get wiped out with her shattering the ground, but as soon as that happens, a mist of smoke will appear. It will be hard for her to see Naruto then.

SimpleGenin

10-10-2010, 07:02 PM

I just like to say, the only reason why Chiyo's vacum move didnt work as well as she'd hope against Sasori's puppet was because the puppet remain clogged the air way entrance. This wouldnt be an issue with Naruto's clone because they dissapear after being harmed.

mikeiskewl922

10-10-2010, 07:24 PM

The clones just disappear as soon as they are hit. Even if Sakura throws one of the clones at all of the other clones, a few clones at most will disappear. I was talkin about that Kakashi fight AFTER the Pre-Time Skip

No, Naruto didn't get beat up. I mean, he was backing up, but he was either dodging or blocking all of the Deva Path's attacks. Yeah, the majority of the clones will get wiped out with her shattering the ground, but as soon as that happens, a mist of smoke will appear. It will be hard for her to see Naruto then.

Still, chakra-enhanced-ground punch. And Naruto couldn't land a hit on Kakashi, if i recall. They only took the bells because of the book thing..

Yeah, i didn't think he did, but i know he coildnt hit Deva, just back up and tank a couple hits..
And she could still keep hitting it, i mean the puff wouldn't be HUGE, and if you see a lot of clones, you know that there in general, around you, and so why not keep hittin them. That could even be useful for Sakura, because then Naruto couldnt see her either, but since theres sooo many, she wouldnt need to see 1 specifiacally...

EDIT: Oh, and i agree with the Chiyo vacuum idea too! That would help destryo a bunch of clones.

Devil's Lawyer

10-11-2010, 09:45 AM

J-Sun Tasogare

10-11-2010, 01:31 PM

tyrell4life194

10-11-2010, 01:32 PM

Still, chakra-enhanced-ground punch. And Naruto couldn't land a hit on Kakashi, if i recall. They only took the bells because of the book thing..

Yeah, i didn't think he did, but i know he coildnt hit Deva, just back up and tank a couple hits..
And she could still keep hitting it, i mean the puff wouldn't be HUGE, and if you see a lot of clones, you know that there in general, around you, and so why not keep hittin them. That could even be useful for Sakura, because then Naruto couldnt see her either, but since theres sooo many, she wouldnt need to see 1 specifiacally...

EDIT: Oh, and i agree with the Chiyo vacuum idea too! That would help destryo a bunch of clones.You're right about that, but he still held his own against Kakashi, unlike the Pre time-skip Naruto.

Wrong, Naruto didn't tank a couple hits, he didn't tank any hit at all. Didn't you read my earlier post? He either blocked, or dodged all the hits. Dude, this is the Deva Path, (who defeated Kakashi) we're talking about, and Naruto was still able to hold his own against him, even if he couldn't land a hit on him. You have a good point, Naruto couldn't see her, but if her footsteps are heard, then he could just strike her.That wouldn't be useful for Sakura, she wouldn't see him either bro.

tyrell4life194

10-11-2010, 01:33 PM

Speed is equal in one of the scenarios.
He's talking about the reactions bro.

J-Sun Tasogare

10-11-2010, 02:26 PM

He's talking about the reactions bro.
Reactions are the same unless the opponent has a move that will enhance overall reactions (Sharingan, Haki, etc.)

mikeiskewl922

10-11-2010, 04:05 PM

You're right about that, but he still held his own against Kakashi, unlike the Pre time-skip Naruto.

Wrong, Naruto didn't tank a couple hits, he didn't tank any hit at all. Didn't you read my earlier post? He either blocked, or dodged all the hits. Dude, this is the Deva Path, (who defeated Kakashi) we're talking about, and Naruto was still able to hold his own against him, even if he couldn't land a hit on him. You have a good point, Naruto couldn't see her, but if her footsteps are heard, then he could just strike her.That wouldn't be useful for Sakura, she wouldn't see him either bro.

This is true..

Since when is Sakura stepping? And she could hear Naruto stepping too..
If theres 75 clones around or in front of her, then shes gunna know to hit in front of her or around her, in the in general area.. Therefore stopping the clones.

Patronized

10-11-2010, 04:53 PM

That would work on old Naruto. Naruto evasive skills and base speed is above Sakura. The only way she would hit Naruto is if stand together clustered. Sakura would die for sure. Chiyo not so sure. Vacuum thing was a good point. If he were to go puppet to puppet maybe. Can now stop swords with bare hands in base mode that is some pretty fast reactions.
Well, 1st scenario states there is equal speed. Even as his speed is above Sakura, he also has Chiyo to evade while trying to land an attack on Sakura. Chiyo surely wouldn't sit there, watching as Naruto is attacking Sakura.

Remember that there's 10 puppets, so Naruto wouldn't have an easy time dodging ALL of them while destroying them.

tyrell4life194

10-12-2010, 02:06 PM

This is true..

Since when is Sakura stepping? And she could hear Naruto stepping too..
If theres 75 clones around or in front of her, then shes gunna know to hit in front of her or around her, in the in general area.. Therefore stopping the clones.
Even if she manages to stop the clones, that leaves her destracted enough for Naruto to land a devestating blow on her. Unless she's strategic enough to figure out which is the real Naruto, then I don't see how she's gonna win in scenario one. You can't be so sure bro. Sakura isn't gonna stand there and take it like an idiot. She's gonna have to move, and even if Sakura can hear his footsteps, Naruto has a faster reaction speed than Sakura, so her landing a hit on Naruto is pretty slim.

mikeiskewl922

10-12-2010, 04:20 PM

Even if she manages to stop the clones, that leaves her destracted enough for Naruto to land a devestating blow on her. Unless she's strategic enough to figure out which is the real Naruto, then I don't see how she's gonna win in scenario one. You can't be so sure bro. Sakura isn't gonna stand there and take it like an idiot. She's gonna have to move, and even if Sakura can hear his footsteps, Naruto has a faster reaction speed than Sakura, so her landing a hit on Naruto is pretty slim.

What decvestating blow? A punch, kick, or what? He has no SM or Nine-Tails, so its only his strentgh vs. hers... And since speed is equal, i'm pretty sure whe would have enough time..
Exactly, she isnt gunna stand there like and idiot, she'll be PUNCHING THE GROUND, like i said 4 or 5 times already, and knocking the clones out, and causing Naruto to got off balence.
You also forgot about Chiyo too, who will be helping with her puppets and such.
SPEED IS EAUAL IN SCENARIO 1...

For 2, it's tough, but he will most likly will, just because of the speed advantage..

tyrell4life194

10-12-2010, 07:01 PM

What decvestating blow? A punch, kick, or what? He has no SM or Nine-Tails, so its only his strentgh vs. hers... And since speed is equal, i'm pretty sure whe would have enough time..
Exactly, she isnt gunna stand there like and idiot, she'll be PUNCHING THE GROUND, like i said 4 or 5 times already, and knocking the clones out, and causing Naruto to got off balence.
You also forgot about Chiyo too, who will be helping with her puppets and such.
SPEED IS EAUAL IN SCENARIO 1...

For 2, it's tough, but he will most likly will, just because of the speed advantage..
I'm not talking about SM or Nine-Tails, read the OP and my comments. What I meant about devestating blow was a hard punch or kick that can knock her out, not kill her or anything like that. You stilll don't get it do you? Sakura punching the ground gives Naruto enough time to land a hit on her. And besides, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WHEN SHE HITS THE SHADOW CLONES. I'm talking about if there's a mist, she's not gonna stand there and let someone attack there, she has to move somewhere.

You don't understand. I told you this THREE TIMES ALREADY. Puppetmasters are vulnerable once they activate their puppets. They usually have to stay still for an attack. They're not really skilled at close range, or taijutsu, and they're not used to close range attacks. If Naruto gets close enough to her, then Chiyo loses. See what I'm saying? Probably not.

mikeiskewl922

10-13-2010, 01:08 PM

I'm not talking about SM or Nine-Tails, read the OP and my comments. What I meant about devestating blow was a hard punch or kick that can knock her out, not kill her or anything like that. You stilll don't get it do you? Sakura punching the ground gives Naruto enough time to land a hit on her. And besides, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WHEN SHE HITS THE SHADOW CLONES. I'm talking about if there's a mist, she's not gonna stand there and let someone attack there, she has to move somewhere.

You don't understand. I told you this THREE TIMES ALREADY. Puppetmasters are vulnerable once they activate their puppets. They usually have to stay still for an attack. They're not really skilled at close range, or taijutsu, and they're not used to close range attacks. If Naruto gets close enough to her, then Chiyo loses. See what I'm saying? Probably not.

Naruto's storng, but not THAT strong. Oh, and good thing Sakura's feet are glued to the gournd too, preventing her mnovement.. When Sakura punches the ground, it makes the clones poof awa,y or back up. If they dont poof, there knocked off balence.. I never said she is directly hitting the clones, i sais she's hitting the ground... And if theres a poof of smoke, it covers her too. Good thing Naruto has Byakugan so he can see her too..

Thats why Sakura will be close, so she doesnt knock Chiyo out, and to prevent close-range attacks.

Now, i suggest that YOU re-read all my attacks, and make better comebacks that dont have 69,000,000,000,000 flaws.. No offense

Ninyn

10-13-2010, 01:17 PM

naruto doesnt have byakugan! he has sage mode! and his kyubi blue eyes! the kyubi blue eyes he has to use to scan his oponents attack system!! and besides even if sakura destroys his clones he'll make 2 rasengans then hit chiyo when sakura's still imobile!!

J-Sun Tasogare

10-13-2010, 01:20 PM

mikeiskewl922

10-13-2010, 01:20 PM

Ninyn

10-13-2010, 01:23 PM

ok thats bull conditions on how you pulled this battle!

J-Sun Tasogare

10-13-2010, 01:26 PM

ok thats bull conditions on how you pulled this battle!
Accept it or stop posting, kthx.

mikeiskewl922

10-13-2010, 01:31 PM

ok thats bull conditions on how you pulled this battle!

For the people battling, its almost perfect actually.
And agreed^ For the spam..

tyrell4life194

10-13-2010, 01:47 PM

Naruto's storng, but not THAT strong. Oh, and good thing Sakura's feet are glued to the gournd too, preventing her mnovement.. When Sakura punches the ground, it makes the clones poof awa,y or back up. If they dont poof, there knocked off balence.. I never said she is directly hitting the clones, i sais she's hitting the ground... And if theres a poof of smoke, it covers her too. Good thing Naruto has Byakugan so he can see her too..

Thats why Sakura will be close, so she doesnt knock Chiyo out, and to prevent close-range attacks.

Now, i suggest that YOU re-read all my attacks, and make better comebacks that dont have 69,000,000,000,000 flaws.. No offense
I know that, you said that 5 times already, you just can't seem to let it go. you don't understand. even thoug the shadow clone jutsu is a jonin level jutsu, the shadow clones will disperse easily, so naruto isn't gonna use them for offense. he's gonna try to use them for a destraction, and even if sakura hits the ground and makes all of them disappear, the time that will take for 1000+ shadow clones to disappear will be more than a few seconds, enabling naruto to have enough prep time to land sakura a hit. do u get it now? you need to come up with better comebacks, cause u cant seem to comprehend my comments, and if u dont know what the word means, then u shouldn't even be on this thread. im nt even trying in this debate, so u dont know what i'm capable of.

mikeiskewl922

10-13-2010, 02:20 PM

I know that, you said that 5 times already, you just can't seem to let it go. you don't understand. even thoug the shadow clone jutsu is a jonin level jutsu, the shadow clones will disperse easily, so naruto isn't gonna use them for offense. he's gonna try to use them for a destraction, and even if sakura hits the ground and makes all of them disappear, the time that will take for 1000+ shadow clones to disappear will be more than a few seconds, enabling naruto to have enough prep time to land sakura a hit. do u get it now? you need to come up with better comebacks, cause u cant seem to comprehend my comments, and if u dont know what the word means, then u shouldn't even be on this thread. im nt even trying in this debate, so u dont know what i'm capable of.

And why can't she see or hear him? And why wouldn't be knocked off balence when she hits the ground as he usually is?
I'm making fine retorts, and i don't know what word you're talking about, and maybe you SHOULD try a little harder, and i'm comprehending just fine, but maybe if you made them a little clearer and learned some grammer it would be easier. And i don't really care waht you're capable of if you don't show it. No offense.. Sorry if i sound mean, but i'm being brutally honest.

321zigzag3

10-13-2010, 02:22 PM

The funny thing is Naruto doesn't spam more than like 5 clones anymore.

mikeiskewl922

10-13-2010, 02:45 PM

The funny thing is Naruto doesn't spam more than like 5 clones anymore.

That's what i thought! xD
Matbe he would only make 5 at a time... Hmm..

321zigzag3

10-13-2010, 02:53 PM

Its just a change of preference ins strategy I suppose. In Character Naruto isn't going to make more than 10 clones at maximum chance.

Also with speed equal what if Chiyo in terms of probability in chance uses Chakra strings to control the real Naruto?

mikeiskewl922

10-13-2010, 02:59 PM

Can she do that? And would she know which ones real?

321zigzag3

10-13-2010, 03:05 PM

No but if it happens by chance. Although Chiyo being a long range type would use Sakura as a front liner with strings maybe attached for cautionary measure.

Although Naruto's love for Clone jutsu feints doesn't help much for largely stationary Chiyo when she uses puppets.

Bacon

10-13-2010, 03:08 PM

I'm lost here, what does chiyo bring to the table that will help her beat Naruto?

mikeiskewl922

10-13-2010, 03:09 PM

I think it should be, BL instead, that way Naruto would use all 150..

I'm lost here, what does chiyo bring to the table that will help her beat Naruto?

Puppets, Vacuum move, they help take out clones.

321zigzag3

10-13-2010, 03:12 PM

I'm lost here, what does chiyo bring to the table that will help her beat Naruto?

I am going by equal speed at least for this part. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/ofc5ra1.png

Bacon

10-13-2010, 03:14 PM

I had no idea Chiyo was that powerful.

Naruto can't stomp unless he has sage mode or something else to even the odds since his clone technique would drain him drastically.

321zigzag3

10-13-2010, 03:21 PM

Naruto has a huge stamina. Clones won't drain him.

Well Chiyo is powerful for a kunoichi. She is a high tier but because of her puppetry it gives her unique weaknesses as well.

Bacon

10-13-2010, 03:31 PM

Naruto has a huge stamina. Clones won't drain him.

Well Chiyo is powerful for a kunoichi. She is a high tier but because of her puppetry it gives her unique weaknesses as well.

I understand he has a huge stamina, but I am trying to steer away from letting this come down to who will outlast eachother.

The only chance I see for a definite win is if Naruto's clones envelop Chiyo and sakura.

321zigzag3

10-13-2010, 03:34 PM

That I can agree with especially for Equal Speed. although especially Sakura shouldn't get hit by Rasengan.

Bacon

10-13-2010, 03:46 PM

Although Rasengan is a jab of sorts, wouldn't it be prohibited by the Op?

321zigzag3

10-13-2010, 03:56 PM

Actually in the OP states Naruto can only use clones and taijutsu. Oops.

J-Sun Tasogare

10-14-2010, 05:59 AM

Chiyo also has that binding move she used on Sasori, and Mother and Father puppets, that one kunai move she used, along with possibly being able to control some of Naruto's clones, or at least parts of them, she did the same thing with the Kazekage puppet. She's also been able to keep up with 100 puppets against her 10, and was able to beat most of them with just those 10. Also able to control Sakura enough to let her dodge barrages of weapons from Sasori.

Then again Naruto has shown hugely better control and better planning over his clones than Sasori has with his 100 puppets, and Naruto has 150 of them. He's been able to make clone ropes with them, clone cannon thingy, Uzumaki Barrage, and The bigger Uzumaki Barrage.

Keep this stuff in mind.

Bacon

10-14-2010, 09:25 AM

J-Sun Tasogare

10-14-2010, 09:59 AM

Naruto may have the combat experience for with shadow clones, but the fact that he only has 150 with no other powers; means that he won't be able to compete with Chiyo. This match doomed naruto from its conception since Chiyo has her powers while naruto is not even allowed to use his rasengan.
If Naruto had Rasengan he's stomp a mudhole with ease. You're forgetting speed is unequaled in one Scenario, and he's allowed to make more clones.

Lady Tsunade

10-14-2010, 10:08 AM

Speed is equal, and Sakura has better Taijutsu feats than base Naruto to my knowledge. Since he's IC, its safe to assume he isn't going to plant all 150 clones at her at once. Perhaps 10-15 at a time, and I think Sakura could quite possibly take out those clones. Sakura has tanked a paper bomb explosion at close range so even getting hit a few times by Naruto is no huge hindrance. Add on the fact that she can heal herself rather quickly , taking her out by pure taijutsu is quite difficult. Having Chiyo by her side who has her puppets speedily moving around and using attacks like the giant vacuum, I think Chiyo and Sakura could win quite handily. Sakura may even take it on her own.

When speed isn't equalised. I still think the match has the same result. I don't remember Base Naruto showing any exceptional speed feats. Jumping out of the way of a giant Snake was a pretty good one, but then again, I'd say thats more of a reaction feat than a speed feat. Though, Narutos reaction does tend to be slightly inconsistent. At any rate, I think Sakura and Chiyo take both of 'em.

Bacon

10-14-2010, 10:52 AM

If Naruto had Rasengan he's stomp a mudhole with ease. You're forgetting speed is unequaled in one Scenario, and he's allowed to make more clones.

Scenario one:
There isn't a match here. Chiyo's vacuum technique could easily kill a large chunk of naruto's clones.

Scenario 2:

I understand he has a huge stamina, but I am trying to steer away from letting this come down to who will outlast eachother.

The only chance I see for a definite win is if Naruto's clones envelop Chiyo and sakura.

J-Sun Tasogare

10-14-2010, 11:55 AM

Scenario one:
There isn't a match here. Chiyo's vacuum technique could easily kill a large chunk of naruto's clones.

Scenario 2:
He can remake them, it's BL. Also she doesn't have enough stamina to keep doing that.

Bacon

10-14-2010, 11:57 AM

I was under the impression that he has a strict limit to how many he makes. At any rate, it comes down to whether to not Naruto can envelop them from all sides with his clones.

J-Sun Tasogare

10-14-2010, 12:28 PM

I was under the impression that he has a strict limit to how many he makes. At any rate, it comes down to whether to not Naruto can envelop them from all sides with his clones.
He can only have 150 at a time.

mikeiskewl922

10-14-2010, 04:23 PM

He can remake them, it's BL. Also she doesn't have enough stamina to keep doing that.

She might, say he makes all 150, if she starts using it when he puts out the clones, and it wouldn't need to take all 150, brcause the other 7 could help, and she can re-surrect 3 of them too, plus Sakura helping to take them out.
And if he remakes them in time to not be sucked into the Vacuum jutsu itself, she could do the same, eventually They will run out, but If Naruto continually makes 150, it will take A LOT outta him to, so her can only make them, 3 or 4 times, and Chiyo might be able to hold it for 3 but nt 4 times. Though if he gets to 4, he'll be really worn out, and most likly not be very good at attacking, or mke weak clones..

Bacon

10-14-2010, 04:27 PM

150 clones is not a lot. He made that many when he fought Gaara during the leaf invasion arc.

mikeiskewl922

10-14-2010, 04:29 PM

Hm,.. True, but still how many times can he keep re-making them until he gets tired or gives up?

Kuromaki

10-14-2010, 04:30 PM

Hm,.. True, but still how many times can he keep re-making them until he gets tired or gives up?
A lot. In Part 1 he was able to make 999 I believe, so in Part 2, making 150 clones a couple times over shouldn't be too hard.

Also, Chiyo's vacuum has shown a limit.

mikeiskewl922

10-14-2010, 04:31 PM

When!?!

The only flaw was the puppets clogging it up and not getting broken.. That wouldn't happen with Naruto's clones.

Devil's Lawyer

10-14-2010, 04:32 PM

I said Naruto at first but way to many restrictions if I think about it. Chiyo has a 100 puppets which are all fast as hell. His clones are skilled but one hit makes them go away in base. Sakura can do that by accident.

Wait so he can remake the 150 clones after they disappear?

Kuromaki

10-14-2010, 04:36 PM

When!?!

The only flaw was the puppets clogging it up and not getting broken.. That wouldn't happen with Naruto's clones.
When he did that 2000 Uzumaki Barrage or whatever it's called. It had 2000 in its name.
I said Naruto at first but way to many restrictions if I think about it. Chiyo has a 100 puppets which are all fast as hell. His clones are skilled but one hit makes them go away in base. Sakura can do that by accident.

Wait so he can remake the 150 clones after they disappear?
She only has like 12, and she won't be able to use the other two with the 10 White Puppets out.

Yep.

mikeiskewl922

10-14-2010, 04:43 PM

When he did that 2000 Uzumaki Barrage or whatever it's called. It had 2000 in its name.

She only has like 12, and she won't be able to use the other two with the 10 White Puppets out.

Yep.

I don't remeber, but if youy say so, either way, he can only make 150 at a time..

Oh, and she can re-surrect three if she needs to..

Kuromaki

10-14-2010, 04:47 PM

I don't remeber, but if youy say so, either way, he can only make 150 at a time..

Oh, and she can re-surrect three if she needs to..
That's still a lot.

Chiyo and Sakura do have a fighting chance when speed is equalized, but Naruto can swarm them with clones and he can probably withstand the vacuum using clone ropes and shields or the like, similar to what he did with Shinra Tensei.

mikeiskewl922

10-14-2010, 05:08 PM

I don't think he can withstand the Vacuum, WAIT!?!
What did he do with ST?

Kuromaki

10-14-2010, 06:22 PM

I don't think he can withstand the Vacuum, WAIT!?!
What did he do with ST?
Jeez, calm down :lol: Go read the end of the Naruto and Deva Path fight, or you could probably watch it. He was able to withstand a Shinra Tensei.

Devil's Lawyer

10-14-2010, 06:31 PM

When he did that 2000 Uzumaki Barrage or whatever it's called. It had 2000 in its name.

She only has like 12, and she won't be able to use the other two with the 10 White Puppets out.

Yep.

Oh I must be high I was thinking of Sasori. Oh Naruto takes it. Blitz chiyo and the real threat will be gone to Naruto.

J-Sun Tasogare

10-15-2010, 01:34 PM

That's still a lot.

Chiyo and Sakura do have a fighting chance when speed is equalized, but Naruto can swarm them with clones and he can probably withstand the vacuum using clone ropes and shields or the like, similar to what he did with Shinra Tensei.
You're forgetting the puppet's speed which I believe is faster than Chiyo.

tyrell4life194

10-15-2010, 04:15 PM

And why can't she see or hear him? And why wouldn't be knocked off balence when she hits the ground as he usually is?
I'm making fine retorts, and i don't know what word you're talking about, and maybe you SHOULD try a little harder, and i'm comprehending just fine, but maybe if you made them a little clearer and learned some grammer it would be easier. And i don't really care waht you're capable of if you don't show it. No offense.. Sorry if i sound mean, but i'm being brutally honest.
Looks like I'm gonna have to explain the situation again, like The Situation off of Jersey Shore. Sakura can't see Naruto because of the smoke, when the clones disperse. She can hear him, because of the footstep noises he's making. And even though she can react to him throwing a punch at her, he still has a faster reaction speed, and would still hit her. Dude, these are the forums, not english class, I don't care if you can't understand my grammar. If you don't like it, no one said you have to be here.

Akatsuki X

10-15-2010, 05:46 PM

You're forgetting the puppet's speed which I believe is faster than Chiyo.

The puppet's speed are equal to Chiyo's reaction speed.

Which, assumingly was able to keep Sakura from being killed by Iron Sand" World Order, which was a pretty fast attack.

mikeiskewl922

10-15-2010, 06:10 PM

Looks like I'm gonna have to explain the situation again, like The Situation off of Jersey Shore. Sakura can't see Naruto because of the smoke, when the clones disperse. She can hear him, because of the footstep noises he's making. And even though she can react to him throwing a punch at her, he still has a faster reaction speed, and would still hit her. Dude, these are the forums, not english class, I don't care if you can't understand my grammar. If you don't like it, no one said you have to be here.

He said that reaction speed was equal too. Which Scenario are you talking about..?
I didn't say you had to use good grammer, i just said i can't understand it. But it would help if you used it. ONLY HELP. So calm yourself.
BTW, i love jersey shore.. xDD

Shikamaru Nara

10-15-2010, 06:11 PM

He said that reaction speed was equal too. Which Scenario are you talking about..?
I didn't say you had to use good grammer, i just said i can't understand it. But it would help if you used it. ONLY HELP. So calm yourself.
BTW, i love jersey shore.. xDD

So? You can't blitz by reaction speed.

btw, in red made me lol.