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THE X UCHIHA
10-02-2010, 01:59 AM
S.D : 80 meters
Location : Destroyed Konoha
Weather : sunny
T.O.D : morning

No Restrictions .
Both demons have no need 4 a Prep. time.

Manga & Anime Feats Only.


The Demons :

1. Ulquiorra Schiffer or ( Cifer )


Powers & abilities :

1. Master Swordsmanship Specialist

2. Sonido Master
( Sonido is a tremendously skillful speed )

3. Cero
( Hollow’s chief technique )


4. Bala
( Espada’s Special Cero )

5. Enhanced Hierro ( Steel Skin )

6. High-Speed Regeneration

7. Garganta ( Black Cavity )

8. Cero Oscuras
( It is a black Cero with a green outline to it. )


9. Sword’s Release : first & second level ( Murcielago & Segunda Etapa )

10. Lanza del Relampago ( Lance of The lightning )




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2. Kyubi or ( Nine-Tailed Demon Fox )

introduction :

Being the strongest of the nine tailed beasts, the Nine-Tails' strength was said to create Tsunamis and flatten mountains with just a single swipe from one of its nine tails.With its massive supply of chakra, it can turn its simple roar into a powerful force that can repel and destroy anything within its radius, increase its physical strength to send destructive shockwaves, and fire large spheres or blasts of concentrated chakra. In the anime, it can also create twisters and breathe fire.During its battle with Naruto within his subconscious, it was shown that even though it had half of its chakra sealed away, the Nine-Tails was more than powerful enough to overwhelm the Eight-Tails' attempts to restrain it (though Bee stated that he didn't have full access to his own powers within Naruto's mind),and still had enough chakra to create a sphere of chakra many times its own size, despite having most of it taken by Naruto.The Nine-Tails has incredible endurance, as its physique can even withstand the secondary effects of powerful attacks such as Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken and multiple Super Great Ball Rasengan, but it is still weakened by the force of the impacts they caused.The Nine-Tails also has the ability to sense negative emotions.




Unique Traits :



1. Massive chakra reserve.
2. Immense strength endurance.
3. Detects negative emotions.


Nature Types :

1. Fire ( Anime Only ).
2. Wind ( Anime Only ).



Powers & abilities ( Needs 4 descriptions ) :



1.Nine-Tailed Fox Fire Stream ( Anime Only )

Description :

The Nine-Tails breathes a stream of powerful flames from its mouth to do considerable damage to its target. The flames have enough power to break enormous boulders, and even do damage to Pain's Chibaku Tensei.


2. Nine-Tailed Fox Menacing Ball.

Description :

The Nine-Tails excretes chakra from its body and gathers it into a sphere in front of its mouth. It then has the option to either consume the sphere, or fire it as a normal projectile. When consumed, the sphere detonates inside the body and the chakra is fired from the mouth as a powerful beam. It is at least strong enough to destroy three Rashōmon gates without losing any of its momentum. When fired as a normal projectile, it does not get the extra momentum that consumption would give it; however, its area of effect is much larger when used as such, as it was able to destroy a large part of Konoha's gate.
This attack has been demonstrated by both Naruto, when he attains a chakra shroud, and the Nine-Tails itself. When the Nine-Tails itself uses this, it can create devastation far above the previous versions. During its attack on Konoha, it had launched the attack at the Fourth Hokage, Minato Namikaze. Even though he had teleported the blast away from the village, in the distance, the attack proved to make an explosion larger than the Hokage Monument and the mountains around it.
In the anime, Naruto in his six-tailed form was seen firing a more concentrated beam of chakra as well as lobbing several spheres at once while fighting Pain.


3. Nine-Tailed Fox Sonic Roar

Description :

The Nine-Tails uses its massive chakra reserve to turn a simple roar into a powerful force of pressure and destruction. The Nine-Tails' jinchūriki, Naruto Uzumaki, in his initial jinchuriki form used his roar to go through Sasuke Uchiha's Great Fireball Technique, and years later in his three-tailed form created a powerful sphere of destruction against Kabuto Yakushi and Orochimaru.




4. Nine-Tailed Fox Twister ( Anime Only )

Description :

With a swipe of it's claws, the Nine-Tails can create a tornado which could possibly do massive damage. The damage was not seen as Pain used Shinra Tensei to nullify it.


5. Red Chakra Arms.

Description :

In both the manga and anime, Naruto uses this technique multiple times, without it being named, in different tailed forms. He varies its use from movement to offensive means, as merely touching one of these chakra arms can cause fatal burns, due to the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox's highly toxic, and extremely potent, chakra. Due to being chakra attached to the body, the chakra arms can grow in size and from the fourth tail up, Naruto, the arms, or any part of his body can divide into two or more fully operational appendages. In the fight between Naruto and Sasuke, Sasuke admits to having trouble fighting these chakra arms as he says they have minds of their own, even when his fully matured Sharingan can easily follow Naruto's body, the Nine-Tails' chakra can move in an entirely different direction.


6. unbelievable Speed.
( no need 4 description)


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Please .. Please , Read all descriptions carefully cuz
After I spent alot of time preparing for this match’s details . I do think that it deserves from you to think about it over & over again
before posting your replies .

Nyruss
10-02-2010, 10:02 AM
The Kyuubi is all hype and no featz. Base Ulquiorra takes this without using his sword.

Seven
10-02-2010, 10:06 AM
The Kyuubi is all hype and no featz. Base Ulquiorra takes this without using his sword.

I agree, Ulqiuorra can tank the Kyuubi in feats like speed and power.
If push ever came to shove Ulqiuorra pulls out his sword and slices the kyuubi's head inhalf. But it would never come to that anyway.

Miles Edgeworth
10-02-2010, 10:09 AM
I don't know if Ulquiorra could tank Kyuubi's attacks. I recall KN6 being a multi city block buster and KN8 broke out of Chibaku Tensei. Somehow I doubt Ulquiorra would be "tanking" Kyuubi's full onslaught.

Unfortunately, Kyuubi lacks speed or durability feats. Considering that KN6 survived Chibaku Tensei for some time and KN8 just crushed it, I'm sure Kyuubi could tank the majority of Ulquiorra's attacks. The question is if he can actually hit him or not.

Nyruss
10-02-2010, 10:09 AM
On the other hand there's no kill like overkill. Ressurection ---> Segunda Etapa ---> Lanza del Relampago.

colorles
10-02-2010, 10:57 AM
well in speed KN4 was comparable to Orochimaru, KN6 comparable to Deva Pain, amd KN8 is above either. full Kyubi is absolutely massive as seen in the recent Minato flashback, with massive tails and legs, and has shows quikness in its smaller forms. Kyubi can level forests with a swipe of its tail. in all likelyhood its the fastest creature in the manga if you think about it

just sayin'

Realninja 2.0
10-02-2010, 11:02 AM
Could ulquiorra tank a mountain buster? If he cant Kyubi wins.

colorles
10-02-2010, 11:04 AM
Could ulquiorra tank a mountain buster? If he cant Kyubi wins.

doesnt matter, read Dudemeister's post

also speed is the thing that needs to be proved for the Kyubi, read my post, mostly hype, some feats

Seven
10-02-2010, 11:04 AM
Could ulquiorra tank a mountain buster? If he cant Kyubi wins.

Ulqiuorra has hypersonic speed vs supersonic kyuubi menacing ball. He dodges and fires a cero into the kyuubi punching a hole in it.

Miles Edgeworth
10-02-2010, 11:22 AM
Somehow I doubt a Cero alone is going to oneshot the Kyuubi when KN8 was unharmed by Chibaku Tensei.

Dio Brando
10-02-2010, 11:46 PM
Kyuubi uses his Cero, Ulquiorra gets demolished.

Akatsuki X
10-03-2010, 01:52 PM
Kyuubi uses his Cero, Ulquiorra gets demolished.

Except that Kyuubi doesn't have Cero.

Ulquiorra spams Lanzo de Relpagno, which would eventually kill the Kyuubi.
Or he could blitz and stab it's eyes out.

Shikamaru Nara
10-03-2010, 01:55 PM
Ulq should be able to blitz at his speed.

WindScar22
10-03-2010, 05:31 PM
What he means by the Kyuubi's Cero is the Kyuubi's Menacing Ball, which can be comparable to some degree.

colorles
10-03-2010, 05:59 PM
What he means by the Kyuubi's Cero is the Kyuubi's Menacing Ball, which can be comparable to some degree.

its more powerful, but not as spammable as Ulq's (unless were considering Shippuden episode 167 hur hur)

keep in mind Kyubi's skin durability though, as well as the fact that Kyubi is by far Naruto verses fastest entity by hype (read my earliar post, and consider just how massive the kyubi's legs and tails are, and how swift it is, yeah)

that being said Ulq is hard to hit



Kyubi has crazy hype though, just sayin (destructive power, speed, durability, and everything in between)

Akatsuki X
10-03-2010, 07:40 PM
its more powerful, but not as spammable as Ulq's (unless were considering Shippuden episode 167 hur hur)

keep in mind Kyubi's skin durability though, as well as the fact that Kyubi is by far Naruto verses fastest entity by hype (read my earliar post, and consider just how massive the kyubi's legs and tails are, and how swift it is, yeah)

that being said Ulq is hard to hit



Kyubi has crazy hype though, just sayin (destructive power, speed, durability, and everything in between)





Technically we have never seen full Kyuubi Menacing Ball's power, so we don't really know the scale it's on.

Lanzo del Repagno was estimated to be about a town-poster, so unless Kyuubi has any feat suggesting it can destroy that much, Ulquiorra wins in terms of destroying s**t.

Also, we have never seen speed feats from Kyuubi or even KN8.

I don't think it would be that incredibly fast thou.

Hachibi was shown to be incredibly slow, yet Version 2 7-tails Bee has awesome speed feats.

How does it have good durability exactly?

Realninja 2.0
10-03-2010, 07:43 PM
Everybody thats arguing for ulquiorra is forgetting the Kyubi regen abilities. Doesnt matter if he blitzes. So the question is still can Ulquiorra take the a mountain buster? The Kyubi tail took a mountain once I think have to look it up.

Akatsuki X
10-03-2010, 07:46 PM
What Regen abilities are you talking about?

According to hype, the Kyuubi's tails were supposed to be able to knock down mountains, but that's a complete load of bs.

Realninja 2.0
10-03-2010, 07:55 PM
The kyubi heals Naruto so why cant heal it self. Naruto took out half that mount wall in konaha in 6 tail kyubi form.

321zigzag3
10-03-2010, 07:57 PM
Fujin's Kyuubi soloes.

Fujin's Kyuubi can survive Black Holes.

Akatsuki X
10-03-2010, 08:02 PM
The kyubi heals Naruto so why cant heal it self. Naruto took out half that mount wall in konaha in 6 tail kyubi form.

It has never healed Naruto on a scale which Ulquiorra heals.

Ulq replaces limbs in a matter of seconds.

Yet even with Kyuubi healing, Naruto heals normal wounds in like a minute.

Fujin's Kyuubi soloes.

Fujin's Kyuubi can survive Black Holes.

Ahh, I remember that. `:P

Realninja 2.0
10-03-2010, 08:30 PM
It fought pain with it spine showing. Also forgot about that whole blackhole thing.

Akatsuki X
10-03-2010, 08:33 PM
Lol.
It's spine showing? Irrelevant.

Also, it did tank Chibaku Tensei, but that is more of a crushing attack then a blasting one such as Lanzo del Repagno.

321zigzag3
10-03-2010, 08:33 PM
Chibaku Tensei isn't a black hole.

colorles
10-03-2010, 08:38 PM
Chibaku Tensei isn't a black hole.

Tobi has sharingan and black hole esq teleportation techniques

Tobi potentially implanted Rinnegan

Kamui (or izanagi)+Chibuku Tensei=?

Tobi having gravitational powers in addition to sharingan, gonna be pretty hax

321zigzag3
10-03-2010, 08:42 PM
Tobi has sharingan and black hole esq teleportation techniques

Tobi potentially implanted Rinnegan

Kamui (or izanagi)+Chibuku Tensei=?

Tobi having gravitational powers in addition to sharingan, gonna be pretty hax





Maybe but Chibaku Tensei isn't a black hole.

Miles Edgeworth
10-03-2010, 08:44 PM
Just curious how Ulq "blitzes" Kyuubi.

Ulquiorra is significantly faster through feats, but it'd be difficult to blitz something as big as Kyuubi, especially when KN8 tanked Chibaku Tensei so Kyuubi could most likely deal with most of Ulquiorra's attacks even if Ulq could "blitz" per se.

The only real issue is how Kyuubi hits Ulquiorra but Kyuubi's got some mad hype on his side.

THE X UCHIHA
10-04-2010, 05:47 AM
I’m totally agreed with Miles .
but I’d like to solve the issue which he stated.

if Ulq. was successful in speedblitzing even a small part of Kyubi.
can you guys & girls ensure that he wouldn’t be injured by
a tail beat from one of the 9 tails .

with the knowledge that a tail beat can destroy mountains or something like that.

Akatsuki X
10-04-2010, 12:29 PM
The whole tail thing destroying mountains is complete hype.

Ulquiorra could easily dodge the tails.

THE X UCHIHA
10-04-2010, 03:21 PM
- Feats = Hype ... when the complete feats are not going to be existed.
- Ulq. can’t dodge & speedblitz at the same moment.



I don’t actually care if my details were Hype or Feats . those Hypes are allowed in my thread ..

am I mistaken !?

Shikamaru Nara
10-04-2010, 03:32 PM
Just curious how Ulq "blitzes" Kyuubi.

Ulquiorra is significantly faster through feats, but it'd be difficult to blitz something as big as Kyuubi, especially when KN8 tanked Chibaku Tensei so Kyuubi could most likely deal with most of Ulquiorra's attacks even if Ulq could "blitz" per se.

The only real issue is how Kyuubi hits Ulquiorra but Kyuubi's got some mad hype on his side.

I haven't seen anything proving otherwise. I could just be trolling right now, but I've never seen any proof that because something is massive it can't be blitzed. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/ofc5ra1.png

I guess it could go either way, but to be completely honest, I'm pretty sure that he could blitz Kyuubi.

Ulq could use Cero Oscuras, for the kill IMO. Black Cero is many times stronger than a standard Cero, correct? Pretty sure it's gotta be stronger than a Chibaku Tensei, either way. It is powerful enough to destroy a large part of the city-sized Las Noches' dome.

So does Ulq. He's the Fourth Espada, right?

Nyruss
10-04-2010, 03:35 PM
Ceros and Chibaku Tensei are different kinds of attacks.

Until Kyuubi shows a resistance to energy based attacks, friggin Bala can hurt it.

321zigzag3
10-04-2010, 03:36 PM
Cero Oscuras is a small town buster at best. Chibaku Tensei is mountain level.

Nyruss
10-04-2010, 03:38 PM
One's energy and one's pressure.

The Anti-Existence
10-04-2010, 03:38 PM
What about the Lances?

Nyruss
10-04-2010, 03:39 PM
Lanza Wassname is Ulquiorra's strongest attack.

The Anti-Existence
10-04-2010, 03:42 PM
I know that. That's why I was wondering why zigzag was talking about Black Cero when Ulquiorra has a much stronger move available to him that he can hit Kyuubi with.

321zigzag3
10-04-2010, 03:45 PM
One's energy and one's pressure.

If we could Mental Kyuubi he survived multiple SM Ultimate Rasengan barrages. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2z7exox.png
What about the Lances?

Town Level+

I know that. That's why I was wondering why zigzag was talking about Black Cero when Ulquiorra has a much stronger move available to him that he can hit Kyuubi with.

Because Shikamaru was saying Chibaku Tensei < Cero Oscuras in destructive output.

Miles Edgeworth
10-04-2010, 03:49 PM
I haven't seen anything proving otherwise. I could just be trolling right now, but I've never seen any proof that because something is massive it can't be blitzed. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/ofc5ra1.png

I guess it could go either way, but to be completely honest, I'm pretty sure that he could blitz Kyuubi.

Ulq could use Cero Oscuras, for the kill IMO. Black Cero is many times stronger than a standard Cero, correct? Pretty sure it's gotta be stronger than a Chibaku Tensei, either way. It is powerful enough to destroy a large part of the city-sized Las Noches' dome.

So does Ulq. He's the Fourth Espada, right?

Ulq is hypersonic, that's nice and all, but what is he gonna do, stab Kyuubi's toe before he can react? If Ulq was ultra significantly faster then I'd understand, but as far as I can tell, against something as durable as Kyuubi and as powerful as it, simply saying he blitzes is a poor argument. Adding on the fact that KN6 was reacting to Deva Pain and I heavily doubt that Kyuubi would simply lose due to blitz of all things.

Kinda hard to blitz when any attack Ulq has takes too much prep for him to do before Kyuubi can react. Considering Kyuubi's size, it has a massive range advantage so unless Ulq expects to spam attacks from miles away hoping they'll somehow hit, Ulq's in quite some danger.

Can you prove Cero Oscuras is stronger than Chibaku Tensei? Last time I checked, there was hardly any attack in Bleach anywhere near mountain level, with some possible exceptions. Cero Oscuras is not one of those exceptions.

Being fourth Espada is nice and all, but when you've got KN8 busting out of a mountain sized orb and the idea that half of Kyuubi's chakra was sealed into Naruto and the other half into the reaper (not sure if this is correct, if I recall correctly this is the case though), then it's fairly obvious that being an Espada alone can hardly compare since the strongest attacks I ever recalled from Espadas were town busting.

The Anti-Existence
10-04-2010, 03:49 PM
Oh.

We had that topic in the OBD actually. I made it. The posters there said Pein's move was stronger than even the Lances. Here's the thread.

Mind you, I have no idea on which is actually stronger as I'm bad with calcs and the like which is why I was asking people there.

On the plus side for Ulqy, he can actually spam his moves while Pein's attacks take some preparation.

321zigzag3
10-04-2010, 03:52 PM
Oh.

We had that topic in the OBD actually. I made it. The posters there said Pein's move was stronger than even the Lances. Here's the thread.

Mind you, I have no idea on which is actually stronger as I'm bad with calcs and the like which is why I was asking people there.

On the plus side for Ulqy, he can actually spam his moves while Pein's attacks take some preparation.

That is true. I consider Pain's CST and CT > Lances but Ulquiorra can spam.

Its ironic though. Narutoverse has rarely any worth noting destructive users. Other than Deidara, Pain, KN6, Hachibi

Kakuzu Sasori and KN4 are much more limited.


FRS is a toss up.

The Anti-Existence
10-04-2010, 03:56 PM
Naruto's biggest problem I always thought was durability. You could conceivably kill many of the characters with just bullets.

Speaking of Deidara, Gaara's Village-sized sand barrier was pretty neat. Of course he probably isn't that strong anymore since he has no Shukakku.

Bummer.

Bacon
10-04-2010, 03:58 PM
The thing is, I thought the Kyuubi was a demon spirit;not a living fox with organs. >.>

The Anti-Existence
10-04-2010, 04:04 PM
Well they are supposed to just be giant masses of chakra I thought but Kyuubi still has eyes. That's how Madara controlled it.

321zigzag3
10-04-2010, 04:04 PM
Naruto's biggest problem I always thought was durability. You could conceivably kill many of the characters with just bullets.

Speaking of Deidara, Gaara's Village-sized sand barrier was pretty neat. Of course he probably isn't that strong anymore since he has no Shukakku.

Bummer.

Well yes Naruto has even lower durability 99% of them barely superhuman too.

Gaara was great.

The thing is, I thought the Kyuubi was a demon spirit;not a living fox with organs. >.>

What organs? Kyuubi is just a mass of chakra come to life.

Bacon
10-04-2010, 04:09 PM
Well they are supposed to just be giant masses of chakra I thought but Kyuubi still has eyes. That's how Madara controlled it.

The way the Uchiha's control the Kyuubi's chakra is beyond me,but it might have been revealed sometime after 484? At any rate, it all comes down to the Kyuubi being too slow or weak to counter ulquiorra's attacks. Since it has been established that it has tanks mountain destroying attacks and the ability to produce mountain destroying attacks, ulquiiora is going to have to fight from afar.

The Kyuubi's chakra is volatile sometimes,making slashing it worthless.

It's make of chakra meaning slashing it as if it was a mortal being is worthless.

Well yes Naruto has even lower durability 99% of them barely superhuman too.

Gaara was great.



What organs? Kyuubi is just a mass of chakra come to life.

So how exactly is speed blitzing it with hundreds of those javelins going to kill it? I honestly don't see a winner.

321zigzag3
10-04-2010, 04:12 PM
Unless we include Mental Kyuubi feats, Kyuubi hasn't shown repeated Town Level Lance spams so....not that the mental feats show to that level either.

colorles
10-04-2010, 04:15 PM
Unless we include Mental Kyuubi feats, Kyuubi hasn't shown repeated Town Level Lance spams so....not that the mental feats show to that level either.

lol keep in mind that mental kyubi was many, many, many times smaller than the real thing. by the way has anyone bothered to do a size comparison calc? either was, the 'Kyubi' Naruto mentally defeated is only a very small fraction of the real thing

Bacon
10-04-2010, 04:16 PM
Does the KN4's menacing ball attack that practically destroyed everything for miles when it hit Orochimaru's summoned wall improve? Meaning, would that be suffice to counter the lances and did the speed that the Kyuubi could generate them improve?

321zigzag3
10-04-2010, 04:18 PM
lol keep in mind that mental kyubi was many, many, many times smaller than the real thing. by the way has anyone bothered to do a size comparison calc? either was, the 'Kyubi' Naruto mentally defeated is only a very small fraction of the real thing

Thats because Mental Kyuubi is 50%. Half of its chakra is in the Death God.

Does the KN4's menacing ball attack that practically destroyed everything for miles when it hit Orochimaru's summoned wall improve? Meaning, would that be suffice to counter the lances and did the speed that the Kyuubi could generate them improve?

KN4's ball = few acres

KN6's ball = massively multi city blocks to very small mountain buster

Kyuubi's ball = mountain+ level

Bacon
10-04-2010, 04:19 PM
Thats because Mental Kyuubi is 50%. Half of its chakra is in the Death God.



KN4's ball = few acres

KN6's ball = massively multi city blocks to very small mountain buster

Kyuubi's ball = mountain+ level
>.> It's been a while since I watched or read that particular arc,but my question remeans the same. Can the kyuubi's ball be generated fast enough to counter the javelins?

321zigzag3
10-04-2010, 04:26 PM
All he does it is charge the ball quickly and shoot.

KN4 is the one that took massive time to do it.

THE X UCHIHA
10-04-2010, 05:54 PM
1. Nine-Tailed Fox Fire Stream ( Anime feat ) - burns Ulq’s steel skin.

2. K9T Menacing Ball. - nullifies all kinds of Cero
3. Nine-Tailed Fox Sonic Roar Or Nine-Tailed Fox Twister ( Anime feat ) - nullifies lance of lightning.
4. Red Chakra arms + 9 Tails beats = Grilled Ulq.

tyrell4life194
10-10-2010, 07:31 AM
The Kyuubi is all hype and no featz. Base Ulquiorra takes this without using his sword.
I heard that you were legendary bro. I respect you. But may I show you some things? I'm not saying that you are wrong. So here I go.
1. KN4 blasted a large part of a forest towards Orochimaru, and gotten pierced by a sword, that didn't even land a scratch on him.
2. KN6 created a crater the size of Konoha village. It backtracted Pain's Shinra Tensei, that sended Pain flying for hundreds of feet.
3. KN8 broke out of a Chibaku Tensei. The Chibaku Tensei that Pain created was larger than a whole mountain range. Infact, it ripped chunks of rocks that were the size of mountains and masses of terrain.
Ulqiourra on the other hand also has great feats.
1. Ulqiourra stated that since he is one of the Top 4 espada, he can't release his power inside of Las Noches. So he has to go to the roof of it, so he won't destroy it.
2. Ulqiourra's cero oscuras destroyed Ichigo's mask, and completely dominated him.
3. Ulqiourra's second release form raped Hollow Form Ichigo.
4. His ultimate attack (I can't spell it sorry) has enough power to destroy a mountain.
5. He also has high speed regeneration, and healed his missing arm in a matter of seconds.
I don't know who wins, so I want to know what's your word on it.

Miles Edgeworth
10-12-2010, 09:47 PM
The deal with Kyuubi is that it's not just hype he has on his side, common sense dictates that with the feats we got from KN8 and the concept that Kyuubi could be at all stronger, Kyuubi's power would far surpass Ulquiorra's.

The one and only issue I can see is speed.

Vatanui AKA Pride
10-12-2010, 10:23 PM
The deal with Kyuubi is that it's not just hype he has on his side, common sense dictates that with the feats we got from KN8 and the concept that Kyuubi could be at all stronger, Kyuubi's power would far surpass Ulquiorra's.

The one and only issue I can see is speed.
From what I recall, KN8 only received two feats. The first one was surviving a part of Chibaku Tensei, since it wasn't at it's center or near it. The latter is pushing it's way out of several tons, aka a side of Chibaku Tensei. And need I remind you that Chibaku Tensei only applied crushing pressure of the equivalence of a mountain instead of attacking KN8 with the physical or energy force of a mountain, so it doesn't quite have mountain durability. And there is the fact that Ulqi can spam his lances, and with each lance destroying a town, I wouldn't exactly say that it'd take a long while for him to reach or surpass mountain busting.

lol keep in mind that mental kyubi was many, many, many times smaller than the real thing. by the way has anyone bothered to do a size comparison calc? either was, the 'Kyubi' Naruto mentally defeated is only a very small fraction of the real thing
Or 50% of it, as Ziggy stated.

THE X UCHIHA
10-13-2010, 05:25 AM
Ulq. is no more. if Kyuubi Roared

Nyruss
10-13-2010, 10:59 AM
I heard that you were legendary bro. I respect you. But may I show you some things? I'm not saying that you are wrong. So here I go.
1. KN4 blasted a large part of a forest towards Orochimaru, and gotten pierced by a sword, that didn't even land a scratch on him.
2. KN6 created a crater the size of Konoha village. It backtracted Pain's Shinra Tensei, that sended Pain flying for hundreds of feet.
3. KN8 broke out of a Chibaku Tensei. The Chibaku Tensei that Pain created was larger than a whole mountain range. Infact, it ripped chunks of rocks that were the size of mountains and masses of terrain.

Those are all Naruto's feats not the Kyuubi's.

Akatsuki X
10-13-2010, 12:52 PM
Ulq. is no more. if Kyuubi Roared

Your wrong.
Kyuubi roaring is the equivalent of Ulquiorra's massive spirit pressure in 2nd Ressurection actually holding it down like in the same manner as CST.

Bacon
10-13-2010, 01:06 PM
Those are all Naruto's feats not the Kyuubi's.
Feats that would be impossible without the Kyuubi's power.

tyrell4life194
10-13-2010, 01:59 PM
Those are all Naruto's feats not the Kyuubi's.
Not exactly. You see, the Kyuubi fox is sealed within Naruto. When he loses control, the Kyuubi fox takes over. Therefore, it's the Kyuubi fox, not Naruto doing the damage. Kinda like hollow ichigo off of bleach.

assassin
10-13-2010, 02:04 PM
Ulquiorra is fast enough to dodge the Kyuubi's attacks probably and he also has Lanza del Relempago and cero oscurus (which as you saw can do a h*ll of a lot of damage)

Kyuubi probably has an advantage but Ulquiorra does have a shot at winning
so I'm not going to call this one

Nyruss
10-13-2010, 02:15 PM
Not exactly. You see, the Kyuubi fox is sealed within Naruto. When he loses control, the Kyuubi fox takes over. Therefore, it's the Kyuubi fox, not Naruto doing the damage. Kinda like hollow ichigo off of bleach.
Unless it's the fox in the flesh independant of its host, those feats belong to the host not the fox.

Feats that would be impossible without the Kyuubi's power.

The Narutoverse's moon would also be impossible without the Sage of Six Paths, but we don't recognize feats for him either. Until we see either of them doing something on-screen that doesn't take place in someone's mind, feats are a no-go.

Bacon
10-13-2010, 03:49 PM
Tis true,but I don't see a winner with what little we kow about the Kyuubi. Particularly if it is Ethereal or not.

Nyruss
10-13-2010, 04:14 PM
Until on-panel confirmation of its ethereal abilities is given(and we already have substantial evidence that it's not), it is as solid as you or me.

Bacon
10-13-2010, 04:16 PM
I see, so it's an actual fox?

Nyruss
10-13-2010, 04:22 PM
Something to that general effect.

Miles Edgeworth
10-13-2010, 05:22 PM
From what I recall, KN8 only received two feats. The first one was surviving a part of Chibaku Tensei, since it wasn't at it's center or near it. The latter is pushing it's way out of several tons, aka a side of Chibaku Tensei. And need I remind you that Chibaku Tensei only applied crushing pressure of the equivalence of a mountain instead of attacking KN8 with the physical or energy force of a mountain, so it doesn't quite have mountain durability. And there is the fact that Ulqi can spam his lances, and with each lance destroying a town, I wouldn't exactly say that it'd take a long while for him to reach or surpass mountain busting.


Or 50% of it, as Ziggy stated.

Considering that KN8, which is quite obviously inferior to Kyuubi, was able to utterly tank and demolish Chibaku Tensei, I wouldn't say it's a stretch that Kyuubi could tank Ulq's attacks.

IIRC, the Kyuubi inside Naruto is 50% chakra because half was sealed into the reaper. With that said, the idea that full Kyuubi doesn't have at least mountain durability would be sheer underestimation of its power.

Ulq can't exactly "spam" his lances. They require some prep and are quite predictable. To add, Ulq isn't going to be blitzing Kyuubi while making LDR, it's just not happening. As far as I can tell, there's nothing stopping Kyuubi from demolishing LDR with its own Menacing Ball considering an incomplete MB from KN6 was basically a multi city block buster.

Nyruss
10-13-2010, 05:57 PM
Different kind of damage. Just because you can take a punch to the face doesn't mean you can tank a flamethrower to the face.

Miles Edgeworth
10-13-2010, 06:00 PM
Except flamethrowers>punches.

I don't see how LDR>CT.

Nyruss
10-13-2010, 06:06 PM
For the same reason. LDR isn't physical. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/hm.png

Akatsuki X
10-13-2010, 06:42 PM
I see, so it's an actual fox?

Well, considering that it was supposed to "destroy mountains" by swinging it's tails, then I would say it's probably physical. Despite this statement being hype.

Considering that KN8, which is quite obviously inferior to Kyuubi, was able to utterly tank and demolish Chibaku Tensei, I wouldn't say it's a stretch that Kyuubi could tank Ulq's attacks.

IIRC, the Kyuubi inside Naruto is 50% chakra because half was sealed into the reaper. With that said, the idea that full Kyuubi doesn't have at least mountain durability would be sheer underestimation of its power.

Ulq can't exactly "spam" his lances. They require some prep and are quite predictable. To add, Ulq isn't going to be blitzing Kyuubi while making LDR, it's just not happening. As far as I can tell, there's nothing stopping Kyuubi from demolishing LDR with its own Menacing Ball considering an incomplete MB from KN6 was basically a multi city block buster.

The thing is, KN6 wasn't trapped in the peak of Chibaku Tensei's destructive power.
It was actually only drawn into the attack, towards the end of it's effect, meaning it probably didn't require that much strength to break out of.
I'm sure if it had been trapped in the center, it would have been much more difficult.

Also, considering that the size of KN8 compared to KN6 is so drastically increased, the size difference alone could have been what helped it break out.

We don't really know if he can spam his lances or not, considering he was intercepted by Hollow Ichigo 2 before he could make anymore.

True, they take a little prep time and he cannot move while making them, but the Kyuubi cannot fly.

If Ulquiorra used his advantage of flight to get out of the Kyuubi's range, then he could spam them from an aerial viewpoint.

THE X UCHIHA
10-14-2010, 05:46 AM
Your wrong.
Kyuubi roaring is the equivalent of Ulquiorra's massive spirit pressure in 2nd Ressurection actually holding it down like in the same manner as CST.

Ulq. can use his 2nd ressurection in Hueco Mundo only. he couldn’t use it even when he was in Las Noches.


Well, considering that it was supposed to "destroy mountains" by swinging it's tails

and a swipe by one tail of his 9Ts is enough to make Tsunamis


If Ulquiorra used his advantage of flight to get out of the Kyuubi's range, then he could spam them from an aerial viewpoint.

I know its hype , but if Kyuubi was at his ultimate form, it might be highest than mountains ..

plus, we dunno how much was the hight which Ulq. reached when he was at his 1st ressurection.

Bacon
10-14-2010, 09:21 AM
Well, considering that it was supposed to "destroy mountains" by swinging it's tails, then I would say it's probably physical. Despite this statement being hype.



The thing is, KN6 wasn't trapped in the peak of Chibaku Tensei's destructive power.
It was actually only drawn into the attack, towards the end of it's effect, meaning it probably didn't require that much strength to break out of.
I'm sure if it had been trapped in the center, it would have been much more difficult.

Also, considering that the size of KN8 compared to KN6 is so drastically increased, the size difference alone could have been what helped it break out.

We don't really know if he can spam his lances or not, considering he was intercepted by Hollow Ichigo 2 before he could make anymore.

True, they take a little prep time and he cannot move while making them, but the Kyuubi cannot fly.

If Ulquiorra used his advantage of flight to get out of the Kyuubi's range, then he could spam them from an aerial viewpoint.
For the red, the menacing ball destroys physical objects, despite the fact that they are coursing energy. By saying the Kyuubi is physical, it suggest it's capable of being killed since it would logically just be a giant fox.

Considering the fact that Ulquiorra made his lance in his first resurrection form without any prep time, I think he can logically create the LDR lances much quicker in his ultimate form.

THE X UCHIHA
10-14-2010, 09:00 PM
For the red, the menacing ball destroys physical objects, despite the fact that they are coursing energy. By saying the Kyuubi is physical, it suggest it's capable of being killed since it would logically just be a giant fox.



Kyuubi at his Ultimate form, has a cloak of chakra surrounding his entire body. so even if the Kyuubi was physical, its powers through hype wouldn’t be less stronger.

Vatanui AKA Pride
10-14-2010, 10:38 PM
Ulq. can use his 2nd ressurection in Hueco Mundo only. he couldn’t use it even when he was in Las Noches.




and a swipe by one tail of his 9Ts is enough to make Tsunamis




I know its hype , but if Kyuubi was at his ultimate form, it might be highest than mountains ..

plus, we dunno how much was the hight which Ulq. reached when he was at his 1st ressurection.

Funny thing, Las Noches is IN Hueco Mundo. And by the way, he couldn't use it because it was banned by Aizen, seeing as that it could destroy the Las Noches dome.

If it's hype, than why list it to begin with? Hype is inaccurate.

Height has nothing to do with stats. Superman is human-sized, yet he destroys galaxies.

Also, the mountain-durability feat is false for K8. Just because you have a building dropped on you, it doesn't mean you have building durability.

THE X UCHIHA
10-15-2010, 03:49 AM
Funny thing, Las Noches is IN Hueco Mundo. And by the way, he couldn't use it because it was banned by Aizen, seeing as that it could destroy the Las Noches dome.

I know that L.N is in H.M , I know everything you"ve said. but I just wanted to stay on topic as much as possible.

I just think that you misunderstood me thinking that I was meaning other place outta Hueco Mundo.

anyway, it happens

If it's hype, than why list it to begin with? Hype is inaccurate.

we both know that Kyuubi don’t have many feats as a support , thus , Hype is applicable in my thread even if it wasn’t accurate.

and honestly , If the Kyuubi’s Hype wasn’t allowed , I do agree that Ulq. would beat that demon with ease.

Height has nothing to do with stats. Superman is human-sized, yet he destroys galaxies.

Superman has nothin to do with Ulq. Ulq’s abilities are restricted in the living world. contrary to Superman.

plus, if Kyuubi’s height was as tall as mountains or more ( through Hype ), how could we know that Ulq. could reach that Height if he wasn’t at his full power (there is no feats support your claim.)

and I’m sure that you"re awared of how much a mountain’s height could reach .

Also, the mountain-durability feat is false for K8. Just because you have a building dropped on you, it doesn't mean you have building durability.

physically you are right , but this feat works with K8 ..

you should know that physical laws doesn’t work with legendary Characters. or even with any normal Ninja ,Hollow & Shinigami.

plus .. the feats I gave you were all correct .. believe me.
I have no reason to do such thing .

Vatanui AKA Pride
10-15-2010, 07:23 AM
I know that L.N is in H.M , I know everything you"ve said. but I just wanted to stay on topic as much as possible.

I just think that you misunderstood me thinking that I was meaning other place outta Hueco Mundo.

anyway, it happens



we both know that Kyuubi don’t have many feats as a support , thus , Hype is applicable in my thread even if it wasn’t accurate.

and honestly , If the Kyuubi’s Hype wasn’t allowed , I do agree that Ulq. would beat that demon with ease.



Superman has nothin to do with Ulq. Ulq’s abilities are restricted in the living world. contrary to Superman.

plus, if Kyuubi’s height was as tall as mountains or more ( through Hype ), how could we know that Ulq. could reach that Height if he wasn’t at his full power (there is no feats support your claim.)

and I’m sure that you"re awared of how much a mountain’s height could reach .



physically you are right , but this feat works with K8 ..

you should know that physical laws doesn’t work with legendary Characters. or even with any normal Ninja ,Hollow & Shinigami.

plus .. the feats I gave you were all correct .. believe me.
I have no reason to do such thing .
can use his 2nd ressurection in Hueco Mundo only.
I didn't "misunderstand" you, because you typed it yourself to began with.

It doesn't matter, hype has no exceptions, and that includes the Kyuubi.

how much was the hight which Ulq. reached
Please stop from pretending you didn't post it yourself. And by the way, lol wut? Hueco Mundo only possesses a Rieatsu boost, and even so, the gap isn't large enough in the living world.

And like I said, height has NOTHING to do with stats. Goku is human-sized, yet he can destroy planets, yet a giant like Oz can multi-city block bust only. And that's rather ironic coming from you, seeing as that you've been using hype ONLY.

Lmao.

THE X UCHIHA
10-15-2010, 07:47 PM
Kyuubi also got feats and we used it alot in this match.
anyway,believe what you want.

Vatanui AKA Pride
10-15-2010, 08:08 PM
What feats? Tell me, what actual feats is there for Kyuubi? Because all I've seen so far was "Lololololol, people saidz he makez tzunami".

THE X UCHIHA
10-15-2010, 08:32 PM
http://file7.9q9q.net/local/thumbnail/25914317/600x600.jpg




Go to the 1st post and read the descriptions to know how powerful these featz are .

Nyruss
10-15-2010, 09:07 PM
Exactly. Anyone who doesn't agree that Ulquiorra wins is just another demented fanboy.

THE X UCHIHA
10-15-2010, 09:17 PM
I allowed Hype in my thread.
now, if there are no exceptions 4 Hype . Ulq. will win easily.\\

Nyruss
10-15-2010, 09:40 PM
Case in point.

You actually didn't specify that hype is allowed in the main post. For this reason, any claims you make to that effect are just hot air.

Now, if you wanted to go back and change the rules because you're mad that the Kyuubi can't win without hype, then be my guest, but because you did so, you will, of course, automatically lose.

THE X UCHIHA
10-15-2010, 10:33 PM
I did no such thing.

read my ex posts, I told you < when there were less Feats than usual , hype is allowed. >

Nyruss
10-15-2010, 10:35 PM
You actually didn't specify that hype is allowed in the main post. For this reason, any claims you make to that effect are just hot air.

Now, if you wanted to go back and change the rules because you're mad that the Kyuubi can't win without hype, then be my guest, but because you did so, you will, of course, automatically lose.