Neji Vs Hinata and Ino

[Chidori of Death]

Location:Final Valley.
Restrictions:None.
Full Knowledge.
Half an Hour Prep Time.
Bloodlust:No.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Why did you add Ino? She's a fodder.

Neji beats Hinata, and Ino gets raped by Neji.

[Kuromaki]

Yeah there's not much Ino or Hinata can do against Neji here...

Rotation can always knock them back and Neji has superior speed, jutsu, and intelligence. Even a chakra hair trap thing won't work since Neji has full knowledge and could use his chakra control to escape if he got caught.

[Toshiro Hatake]

Ino cant really do much in battle. The mind transfer jutsu cant do much. The only time she may be useful in this battle is if she uses her healing jutsus. As for Hinata, she doesnt match Neji. They may be in the same clan, but they both have different power levels. Neji is very intelligent. Rotation alone, will deflect any tools thrown by Ino, if she were to battle long range, and Hinata was to battle close range. One-on-One battle between Neji and Hinata, well judging off what happened in the past battle between them, Neji will destroy Hinata, which leaves Ino, and she'll be destroyed too. So, it's not much of a battle.

[Akatsuki X]

Hinata is basically a weaker version of Neji.
Twin Lion Palms is blocked by rotation.

Ino is fodder except for mind switch,
which is slow so Neji should be able to avoid it.

8 Trigrams 64 Palms should end this for both of them.

[Lady Tsunade]

Ino orders a life time supply of hair from an online hair dressing site using her prep time. It has a speedy delivery of 30 minutes. Hair Trap Technique, Mind Transfer GG Neji

;)

[TheBlackChidori]

Hinata and Ino win this.

Why?

Clan Leader Curse Mark Jelly Jutsu.

[Wind Style Naruto]

Hinata and Ino win this.

Why?

Clan Leader Curse Mark Jelly Jutsu.

Oh yeah that thing all Hinata has to do is use that thing on Neji's forhead.

[Morning Tiger:0]

Hinata is basically a weaker version of Neji.
Twin Lion Palms is blocked by rotation.

Ino is fodder except for mind switch,
which is slow so Neji should be able to avoid it.

8 Trigrams 64 Palms should end this for both of them.

Neji's speed is comparable to Sasuke's and Lee's.

There are not many small-scale attacks in Naruto that he wouldn't be able to dodge.

Also, Neji wouldn't need to resort to 64 Palms.
A few Jyuuken is more than enough.

[Kuromaki]

Hinata and Ino win this.

Why?

Clan Leader Curse Mark Jelly Jutsu.
Can she even do that? o-o I mean I don't remember her showing that ability, but I know the clan leader did it...
Neji's speed is comparable to Sasuke's and Lee's.

There are not many small-scale attacks in Naruto that he wouldn't be able to dodge.

Also, Neji wouldn't need to resort to 64 Palms.
A few Jyuuken is more than enough.
ummwhat

Other than that I agree.

[Morning Tiger:0]

Can she even do that? o-o I mean I don't remember her showing that ability, but I know the clan leader did it...

ummwhat

Other than that I agree.

Ummwhat.

4.5=4.5=4.5

64 Palms = Gates= Cheap teleportation bleh

[Kuromaki]

Ummwhat.

4.5=4.5=4.5

64 Palms = Gates= Cheap teleportation bleh
Databook stats=Inconsistent with the canon material, which is the manga=Something the rest of the BG's not going to accept. But I guess you know that already eh?

It's better to at least back up the stats with proven feats.

[Morning Tiger:0]

Databook stats=Inconsistent with the canon material, which is the manga=Something the rest of the BG's not going to accept. But I guess you know that already eh?

It's better to at least back up the stats with proven feats.
I understand many refuse to accept DB.

But they are Masashi's ideas. That's what matters.

And...how on Earth is statistical proof(4.5) inconsistent?

Honestly that's something no one has explained.

[Kuromaki]

I understand many refuse to accept DB.

But they are Masashi's ideas. That's what matters.

And...how on Earth is statistical proof(4.5) inconsistent?

Honestly that's something no one has explained.
It's inconsistent with manga proof. If the databooks are all purely Kishi's work then he's just contradicting himself. But hype is hype and we don't use it to debate.

[Morning Tiger:0]

It's inconsistent with manga proof. If the databooks are all purely Kishi's work then he's just contradicting himself. But hype is hype and we don't use it to debate.

Many claim manga is 'the' canon material, although it obviously can be interpreted in a multitude of ways by its readers.

The DB were created to restrict that uncertainty... That is why straightforward statistics are employed.

You understand that, yes?

[Kuromaki]

Many claim manga is 'the' canon material, although it obviously can be interpreted in a multitude of ways by its readers.

The DB were created to restrict that uncertainty... That is why straightforward statistics are employed.

You understand that, yes?
Yeah but it's still hype.

[Morning Tiger:0]

Yeah but it's still hype.


...What's hype? The DB?

That statement really does not make sense...if you understand what I meant.




Manga is pure, but extremely diverse with its implications.
The DB presents what need be presented.

"Data" books... You know?

[Kuromaki]

...What's hype? The DB?

That statement really does not make sense...if you understand what I meant.




Manga is pure, but extremely diverse with its implications.
The DB presents what need be presented.

"Data" books... You know?
Hype here basically means a claim that hasn't been proven. We use feats to prove those.

[Morning Tiger:0]

Hype here basically means a claim that hasn't been proven. We use feats to prove those.


Why would anyone deem DB-D-a-t-a books- as hype?

We're all aware of their purpose.

They validate/define the manga, which(I'm really beating this to death here) are frequently misinterpreted.

I can't really convey it any other way

[mikeiskewl922]

I agree with you, but what she is saying is that here in the BG, those books are hype, and hype can only be proven with feats. So saying "Ammy is as hot as the sun..." could be proven if someone was fried with Ammy, got burned and then touched the sun and got burned to the same degree, IN THE MANGA. That would prove it.

[Morning Tiger:0]

I agree with you, but what she is saying is that here in the BG, those books are hype, and hype can only be proven with feats. So saying "Ammy is as hot as the sun..." could be proven if someone was fried with Ammy, got burned and then touched the sun and got burned to the same degree, IN THE MANGA. That would prove it.


My point is, why, here, the DB are considered hype?
I can't comply, I'm sorry.
That's...false.

[mikeiskewl922]

Because although the author write it, it was never actually proven.. I mean its obviouslt true if the author said it, but if a charcater never proved it, then it can't be used in a BG battle.

[Kuromaki]

That's...false.
Wut.

What I'm trying to say is, some of the statements about abilities and moves in the book have not been proven in the manga, where it all happens. But if you're not willing to accept those points then I'm not going to keep debating.

Edit: Also, the DB info you're using is outdated.

[TheBlackChidori]

People have mixed reviews about the databooks in a debate.

I for one, think they're legit.

[Morning Tiger:0]

Wut.

What I'm trying to say is, some of the statements about abilities and moves in the book have not been proven in the manga, where it all happens. But if you're not willing to accept those points then I'm not going to keep debating.

Edit: Also, the DB info you're using is outdated.
First of all, you obviously just learned that yourself, due to the fact that you didn't mention that initially. Second of all, I cannot believe you unless you provide a link.

And third of all, redundantly, the manga does not prove the DB, it's the other way around. That's what I've been saying. Apparently you didn't understand.

[Kuromaki]

First of all, you obviously just learned that yourself, due to the fact that you didn't mention that initially. Second of all, I cannot believe you unless you provide a link.

And third of all, redundantly, the manga does not prove the DB, it's the other way around. That's what I've been saying. Apparently you didn't understand.
At first I thought there was a 4th DB but then I checked and there are only three. So, yeah. xD

A link? For what?

I would repeat my points but that would be useless.

[Morning Tiger:0]

At first I thought there was a 4th DB but then I checked and there are only three. So, yeah. xD

A link? For what?

I would repeat my points but that would be useless.

Irrelevant to my point...

A link to what proves the data I'm using to be outdated.

Clearly, we're at an impasse here. I could say the same.

[Kuromaki]

Irrelevant to my point...

A link to what proves the data I'm using to be outdated.

Clearly, we're at an impasse here. I could say the same.
Just look it up. There is no 4th DB atm and a lot of manga time has passed since the last one. So, even if those stats were legit, they're old now.

[Morning Tiger:0]

Just look it up. There is no 4th DB atm and a lot of manga time has passed since the last one. So, even if those stats were legit, they're old now.

Given nothing exists to disprove them,(4th DB) then they remain valid...

But that's only provided what you're claiming is true.

[Kuromaki]

Given nothing exists to disprove them,(4th DB) then they remain valid...

But that's only provided what you're claiming is true.
Dude, I tried googling the 4th DB and found nothing. The Naruto Wikia, which is always being updated, has no mention of it.

The 3rd DB came out years ago, and a lot of things have happened in the manga since then. New characters and jutsu introduced, improvements in speed and strength, etc.

[Wind Style Naruto]

Amateratsu.....in the databook it listed a lot of things as facts that people dont believe even though the databooks are made by Kishi himself.

[Morning Tiger:0]

Dude, I tried googling the 4th DB and found nothing. The Naruto Wikia, which is always being updated, has no mention of it.

The 3rd DB came out years ago, and a lot of things have happened in the manga since then. New characters and jutsu introduced, improvements in speed and strength, etc.

That is true.

But conveniently, the characters I'm referring to, have not changed.

As for others, sure. But based upon DM stat, it seems unchanged(for those characters.)

Unless Lee, Neji and Sasuke are 5 in terms of speed now, which I highly doubt.

The only two in the series who could possibly manage that are really just Yondaime Hokage, Minato Unumaki or Madara.

[Kuromaki]

That is true.

But conveniently, the characters I'm referring to, have not changed.

As for others, sure. But based upon DM stat, it seems unchanged(for those characters.)

Unless Lee, Neji and Sasuke are 5 in terms of speed now, which I highly doubt.

The only two in the series who could possibly manage that are really just Yondaime Hokage, Minato Unumaki or Madara.
Sasuke, at least, has changed.


You know what, I suggest we call a truce since we're hardly convincing each other of anything http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Minato's last name is Namikaze btw.

[Morning Tiger:0]

Sasuke, at least, has changed.


You know what, I suggest we call a truce since we're hardly convincing each other of anything http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Minato's last name is Namikaze btw.

That's what implied earlier.

Oh. Thanks you.



At any rate, a truce then. But what does this mean, exactly?

The outcome here is quite apparent...

[Akatsuki X]

So your saying that reacting to the Raikage is now equal to being outspeeded by Kidomaru?

Seriously now.

[Phoenix Wright]

The Databooks say Kidomaru=Raikage's speed?

That is truly a contradiction the great Phoenix has seemed to have missed. I don't normally go against DB things if I'm not drawn into it, I mean other than "Ammy is hotter than the sun" because if it was, anything anywhere near it would disintegrate and burn up instantly.

http://naruto.viz.com/forum/[img]http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/Jesus_facepalm.jpghttp://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/Jesus_facepalm.jpg

I have to say this is by far the most amazing thing the DB has said.

[TheBlackChidori]

Raikage is post-databook 3. He didn't exist during the publishing, nor did that level of speed.

The characters stats are reworked depending on the current point in the manga, and that hasnt been done in a few years.

So no, databook doesn't compare Raikage's speed to Neji's.

Neji's speed stat comes from his reaction to kidomaru's CS2 arrows, which was a faster attack then anything we saw in the regular series.

[Akatsuki X]

But basically he is saying that Neji is equal to Sasuke in speed.
Sasuke reacted to Raikage.

When Kidomaru entered CS2 he has a speed advantage over Neji.

That would me that Kidomaru=/Raikage in speed according to him.

[TheBlackChidori]

He is definitely nowhere near as fast as Sasuke or Raikage, at least recent displays haven't show that.

But he would easily be as fast as Sasuke base form up until after the Itachi fight, that's about as much as I'd give him. Databook 3 was made around that time too.

[Akatsuki X]

Maybe he was as fast before the Itachi fight.
I don't know thou.

Sasuke blitzed team Yamato and was able to outspeed Deidara for the most part prior to that fight.

[TheBlackChidori]

Can't really argue in Neji's favor there. We know he can keep up with 30% Kisame speed, but that's as far as we ever saw his him go.

We do know he didn't wanna race Guy back to Konoha, so maybe he's embarassed that the databook has him too high.

[king kakashi]

neji he is better with byakugan than hinata and ino can't touch him because of the rotation