kakashi vs. itachi

[king kakashi]

location-konoha
restictions-no ms. itachi no kamiu kakashi
status- normal
with complete knowledge of each other

[Akatsuki X]

First to say Rakiri to the nads gets lynched (cough*Dudemeister*cough)

This is basically fire vs lightning release's.

I say Itachi takes this, only real threat is Rakiri Wovles.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

Can u say which kakashi ? Pre skip or post?


EDIT : SINCE I REMEMBERED BG ROLES

KAKASHI CAN TAKE HIM WITH HIGH SPEED RAKIRI

[Akatsuki X]

I think you mean high speed Rakiri.
And Itachi can easily react to that.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

Kakashi has wide range of jutsu , which make problem even for some one like itachi


and i think the battle in the anime can summarize this (b4 itachi forced to use his ms )

[colorles]

Kakashi at this point has the advantage over Itachi in every catogory withthe exception of genjutsu, which is Itachi's best chance, and Kakashi can find ways around that, or just break the genjutsu (he's already experienced tsukiyomi, and advanced his sharingan so much since then)

either way, this is the same kakashi that was outsmarting and basically 'thrashing' Asura and Deva paths; you have to admit he fought impresively against them, with plot against him mind you

Kakashi has demeonstrated even greater reaction speeds than Itachi, comparable footspeed, at this point comparable seals, and superior tactic abilites with clones and feints; they both have suitons but Kakashi's is more advanced, can use without source, etc, kakashi can use doton's and clones to keep itachi off guard and escape genjutsu, and Kakashi's raiton varients>>>>Itachis' katons......a few combo's like Kakashi did against Deva and Asura paths could mean the end of Itachi

and dont underestimate a feint combo and raikiri to the nads

once again, Kakashi has the upperhand on Itachi in everything at this point; Itachi's best chance (and i admit its a legitimate one) is genjutsu

[Akatsuki X]

Acutally, your severely wrong.

He was being lolpwned by Asura and Deva, with plot ON his side.

His reactions speeds are greater admitted, but show me any proof that his footspeed is faster then a healthy Itachi when a diseased Itachi was still lol blitzing Sasuke.

His handseals are no where near as fast as Itachi's.

Kakashi's raitons>>Itachi's katon's but it doesn't really matter if he can't use them effectively.

I feel like genjutsu is actually not an option here, I feel that Kakashi could probably dispel all of Itachi's genjutsu's minus Tsuki (which is restricted)

Still, I say Rakiri Wolves might give him the win.

[You dont know me]

This fight could go either way. Genjutsu can be countered by Kakashi using clones. Itachi is also an expert clone user though. This fight would go to the one with the higher stamina.

[colorles]

Acutally, your severely wrong.

He was being lolpwned by Asura and Deva, with plot ON his side.

His reactions speeds are greater admitted, but show me any proof that his footspeed is faster then a healthy Itachi when a diseased Itachi was still lol blitzing Sasuke.

His handseals are no where near as fast as Itachi's.

Kakashi's raitons>>Itachi's katon's but it doesn't really matter if he can't use them effectively.

I feel like genjutsu is actually not an option here, I feel that Kakashi could probably dispel all of Itachi's genjutsu's minus Tsuki (which is restricted)

Still, I say Rakiri Wolves might give him the win.

when he raiton cloned asura path, he would have then Kamui'd off Deva's head has plot not beem against him. despite moves like Chibuku tensei, Kakashi>>>>>>Deva path due to Kamui, which is faster for obvious reasons

never said faster in footspeed that healthy itachi, but comparable, and with greater reaction speeds

Kakashi cant use his raitons and clone feints effectively? read his fight against Deva and Asura path, hur hur

indeed, raiton varients/clones for the win




oh and handseals, Itachi's handseels were clearly superior to sasuke's, but then again Kakashi's clone speed and variety is superior to both of them, so....perhaps Itachi is slightely superior in handseals, but then again handseals dont even mean much anymore, and even if Itachi has the advantage, its not by much if at all (it was in part one though, but Kakashi actually started taking training seriously again and improved dramatically)

oh and with the raiton varients, without shinra tensei, pretty much anybody would be dead or paralyzed

[Akatsuki X]

I can't believe that you think that Kakashi>Deva.

The fact that Kakashi survived Pain's Shinra Tensei is plot.

He would not have been able to kumai his head off, because he would have been dead.

Raiton clones are useful, and like I said Raiton Wolves are too.

But without those, I feel Itachi's got him beat.

[colorles]

I can't believe that you think that Kakashi>Deva.

The fact that Kakashi survived Pain's Shinra Tensei is plot.

He would not have been able to kumai his head off, because he would have been dead.

Raiton clones are useful, and like I said Raiton Wolves are too.

But without those, I feel Itachi's got him beat.

those were weaker shinra tensei's, deva has clearly shown the ability to alter how powerful they are....and Kakashi is surprisingly durable in physical combat as shown against Hidan and Kakuzu as well....either way, Kakashi can either Kamui deva's head off before shinra tensei, or escape shinra tensei with clones or whatever, and theres an interval....either way, Kamui>>>>shinra tensei, and because of Kamui, Kakashi>>Deva Path

Kakashi had plot against him so much in that fight it's obsurd, Deva should have had his head and spinal chord in another dimention....whether in character or bloodlusted, Kakashi actually has the upperhand against deva path, because of his variety and of course kamui



Kakashi defeats Itachi because of his variety, and his raitons are his main moves, lol Kakashi without them is like Itachi without his genjutsu or katons

[Akatsuki X]

When has Kakashi shown that great of durability?

Pain's Shinra Tensei killed Choji's father, and blew the surrounding area to pieces, they all should have died.

LOL at Kumai>Shinra Tensei.

They are both about the same speed, and ST can be altered to City Bust.

[colorles]

that same shinra tensei that killed Choza left Kakashi in shambles mind you, and Kamui is instant upon eye contact; at best for deva path he could manage a draw, as in Kakashi gets shinra tensei'd at the same time Deva gets his head kamui'd off....its like a space/time quikdraw ninja style

Kakashi is oddly durable, his chakra has improved as well....enough to survive shinra tensei for a bit, albeit not a really powerful one

in a one on one fight, Kamui>>>>anything Deva Pain, as haxx as he is, can counter with..Kamui has become that haxx

[Akatsuki X]

No, even with hax your wrong.

You seem to assume that Kakashi can activate Kumai whenever he pleases.
He has to activate his mangekyou sharingan first.

By the time he has done this and activated kumai, whch is not instant apon eyesight since that would be lightspeed and it is only supersonic, he has been killed via Shira Tensei.

[colorles]

No, even with hax your wrong.

You seem to assume that Kakashi can activate Kumai whenever he pleases.
He has to activate his mangekyou sharingan first.

By the time he has done this and activated kumai, whch is not instant apon eyesight since that would be lightspeed and it is only supersonic, he has been killed via Shira Tensei.

Kakashi effortlessly warped two susano arrows from close range, which due to the sonic booms must be supersonic; to warp them, Kakashi's kamui reaction has to be faster than supersonic, hypersonic is not a stretch, and theoretically in the time it takes the light of somthing kakashi see's to enter his eye, he can kamui somthing essentially a yoctosecond later to account for sharingan reaction speed; in short, Kakashi can kamui off Deva Peins head before he can use shinra tensei

at best they have a draw

[king kakashi]

kakashi would win he can use every chakra nature

[Akatsuki X]

Again, you are wrong, King Fanboy.

[king kakashi]

Again, you are wrong, King Fanboy.


we've seen kakashi use
earth style head hunter jutsu
fire style fire ball jutsu
water style water wall
lightning style chidori
i admit we have never seen him use wind but wind is weak to fire so it's useless
genjutsu is useless in this fight because regular genjutsu won't work on sharingans

[Phoenix Wright]

Wow, Itachi wanker vs Kakashi wanker, this is an interesting debate. http://forums.narutoempires.net/images/smilies/Empire%20emotes/awesome.gif

Although Kakashi has an array of jutsu that Itachi doesn't have, and without MS, Kakashi can take this.

[Akatsuki X]

Except that I don't even like Itachi that much.
I'm not wanking him, and I still say that Kakashi could win with Raiton Wolves.