Kakashi, Guy Vs A, Killerbee

[SimpleGenin]

Kakashi, Guy

Vs

A, Killerbee


State of Mind: In Character

Starting Distance: 100 Meters

Restrictions: No Full Transformation for Killerbee

[Nyruss]

A speedblitzes.

[Akatsuki X]

This is tough.
It depends on whether or not Kakashi could use kumai on either one of them,
or Gai could use Afternoon Tiger before being lariated into pieces. :|

I'm going to wait to see what people think.

[Blah.]

A and KB
This isnt even a fair argument.

[colorles]

Gai can go to gates just as fast as A can activate raiton aura with new feats

also Kakashi has more moves aside from Kamui, keep that in mind, and is fast and has insane reactions, strategic with clone feints and versitile ninjutsu and taijutsu; he would do alot better than taka sasuke did against KB, meaning that he would not actually die; and of course he could Kamui Killer Bee at any time....he could probably Kamui A as well, as mind you Kamui>>>>>>>>>>>amarterasu in every way and does not have a flame ignition fase

either way, Gai could take A, Kakashi could take Killer Bee with dificulty, could probably do some feints and land a raikiri eventually, unless Killer Bee goes to his uper tailled forms which would require Kamui to kill him

however can we all agree that 7 gated Gai>>>>>>A? i'd say 6th gated Gai>=A

[Nero]

Gai going gates takes more time than A using Raiton Armor ..

[NBT]

A Batista bombs Guy before he can go Gates and Kakashi gets double clotheslined to H*** .

[colorles]

Gai going gates takes more time than A using Raiton Armor ..

not by much, and Gai can last long enough till he go's gates, which doesnt take long

to make the kakashi vs KB thing simple since without kamui theres like a 1000 different scenarios, bloodlusted Kakashi kamui's his head off, game over



and Gai can by all means more than take A

oh wait there in character, well if thats the case, Kakashi wont use Kamui early on, especially since Killer Bee will be acting like Killer Bee lol; Kakashi uses alot of variety, they fight for a while, maybe lands some clone feints and raikiri varients, KB would have to go to his higher tailed forms, and Kakashi would have to use Kamui at that point

[Phoenix Wright]

The latter team blitzes and rapes with ease. There is no chance that the other team will win. But apparently you people think there is a chance http://forums.narutoempires.net/images/smilies/Empire%20emotes/pek.png

[Nero]

A Little Chance .

[colorles]

Gai quikly go's gates and pummels A, game over

Kakashi is being SEVERLY underestimated here, even without kamui he is an obsurdly variable fighter capable of outsmarting and nigh defeating Asura path and Deva Path even without kamui, with his clone feints and such, only lost due to plot. Kakashi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Taka Sasuke that fought killer bee, do the math, even without kamui, kakashi is not getting pwned like Sasuke did, cuz unlike Sasuke at that time, kakashi is smart and doesnt just rush directly at somone....and then of course, theres kamui

[king kakashi]

huy is the fastest charactor on naruto right now and kakashi has beaten guy 50+ times he's obviously a lot more powerful than he has shown
raikage even knows who he is as if they have fought and he dosen't say it happily
even with all eight tails full transformation bee can't stand up to kamui`@x)

[Kill3r_B-st]

not saying gai an kakashi are week but mind it say kamui should not be a factor seeing as unless kb or a ran rite nto kakashis face into the kamui. kakashi has lightning blade ninken and sharingan. gai has gates speed and youth. but bee has swordplay skills that are really well better than sasukes. also in 3 tails form is fast so he could be good wit 5 gate gai also lariat. and thats form 1. version 2 is faster and stronger. a has raiton armor plue power. fast as lightning faster than amateratsu fast enough to catch zetsu in mid word by the neck an protected with his raiton armor. also it depends in is it current bee with samehada?

[Invisible Fog]

I'm gonna wait and see when a bunch of people post and then decide my answer.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

well in state on mind of character , i would say .


kakashi will not use kumai , he may be use it only 4 defense .

so (A) and bee win .`~(


if they where fighting in all out battle , kakashi will cut (A) head b4 he do any thing , and then he can cut k.bee head while he is fighting gai .

[You dont know me]

Kakashi Kaumi A head of A. The sharigan would allow Kakashi to keep up with A movements. Gai could hold off Killer bee.

[Kill3r_B-st]

Kakashi Kaumi A head of A. The sharigan would allow Kakashi to keep up with A movements. Gai could hold off Killer bee.
sasukes couldnt keep up with bees how could kakashi keep up with raiton armor a

[SimpleGenin]

sasukes couldnt keep up with bees how could kakashi keep up with raiton armor a
well iono.. the fact that kakashi reacted to sasuke's supersonic arrow might suggest he can keep up with either brothers.. but thats only what i think.

[Kisame]

A and Killer Bee are too fast for Kakashi's Kamui, Kakashi has only ever Kamui'd liner objects that went right into his Kamui because they were going straight, if he faced against opponents like A who has far superior reaction speeed anyway with incredible speed, he wouldn't be able to get a clear shot on him.

Gai even in gates has nothing at all on A or KB, his Afternoon Tiger would be tanked with medium difficulty at most, actually even Kisame went right into it, dodging should be manageable to A and KB. Kisame tanked it well enough, A and KB both have far superior durability so they should tank it like I said. Actually KB's Lariat is superior to Gai's Afternoon Tiger, it caused Kisame far more damage than Afternoon Tiger did.

Ninjutsu wouln;t be a real good option considering their speed so they'll have to get in close and taijutsu will be suicidal for him especially if KB goes V.2.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

A and Killer Bee are too fast for Kakashi's Kamui, Kakashi has only ever Kamui'd liner objects that went right into his Kamui because they were going straight, if he faced against opponents like A who has far superior reaction speeed anyway with incredible speed, he wouldn't be able to get a clear shot on him.

Gai even in gates has nothing at all on A or KB, his Afternoon Tiger would be tanked with medium difficulty at most, actually even Kisame went right into it, dodging should be manageable to A and KB. Kisame tanked it well enough, A and KB both have far superior durability so they should tank it like I said. Actually KB's Lariat is superior to Gai's Afternoon Tiger, it caused Kisame far more damage than Afternoon Tiger did.

Ninjutsu wouln;t be a real good option considering their speed so they'll have to get in close and taijutsu will be suicidal for him especially if KB goes V.2.


I THINK KISAME WILL DISAGREE WITH U :cool:

[Kisame]

I THINK KISAME WILL DISAGREE WITH U :cool:

Lariat blew his chest open and he was going to die without regeneration, Afternoon tiger was tanked somewhat and he would have lived.

[You dont know me]

The Sharigan can keep up with any shinobi in its sights. Kakashi is a hundred times more experienced using it than Sasuke. Sasuke didnt have Kaumi thats why he couldnt take out A like that. Also plot if Sasuke used genjutsu in the fight A wouldnt have lasted as he did.

[Yellow Flash]

I would like to know why A and Bee are too fast for Kakashi to Kamui them. Since when were Bee and A Hypersonic without transformations? Replies like, 'Because their faster', or, 'Because Kakashi can't Kamui objects that are Supersonic' will be ignored. Feats will have to be present for me to even give a damn about what your saying.

[deidara#1]

This is a very bad match up for both Kakashi and Guy no matter which one of of the team of Raikage and Killer Bee they fight. Guy is all taijutus and speed of course Raikage is both faster and stronger than he is and I'm not sure how good either of them can defend against Killer Bee's seven swords.

I don't see a lot if any advantages for Kakashi and Guy so its a clear answer for me
Raikage and Killer Bee.

[Yellow Flash]

This is a very bad match up for both Kakashi and Guy no matter which one of of the team of Raikage and Killer Bee they fight. Guy is all taijutus and speed of course Raikage is both faster and stronger than he is and I'm not sure how good either of them can defend against Killer Bee's seven swords.

I don't see a lot if any advantages for Kakashi and Guy so its a clear answer for me
Raikage and Killer Bee.
You didn't present one feat, your points are moot. If your going to debate, debate with feats. Otherwise, don't expect to get anywhere in a debate, only expect failure.

[Kisame]

I would like to know why A and Bee are too fast for Kakashi to Kamui them. Since when were Bee and A Hypersonic without transformations? Replies like, 'Because their faster', or, 'Because Kakashi can't Kamui objects that are Supersonic' will be ignored. Feats will have to be present for me to even give a damn about what your saying.

Transformations are allowed in this battle except for full eight tails. Kakashi has never shown to be able to react to their levels of speeds in fights. All he has Kamuid are linear objects that he didn't tag, the objects flew into his Kamui. The reason Kamui isnt the be all end all in the manga is that Kamuing people is harder than having linear objects fly into it.

Kakashi's so called supersonic feat was anything but. Reacting would include him being able to move his body out of the way, he was too slow to even move his hands. I doubt Susano'os arrow is even supersonic, everyone here seems so obsessed with calcs yet there doesn;t exist one to support this claim. Not like it matter, I find them to be faulty sources for information. I'd rather use logic.

It's all right, I don't give a damn if you don't give a damn either. ;)


The Sharigan can keep up with any shinobi in its sights. Kakashi is a hundred times more experienced using it than Sasuke. Sasuke didnt have Kaumi thats why he couldnt take out A like that. Also plot if Sasuke used genjutsu in the fight A wouldnt have lasted as he did.

Sasuke's sharingan has been noted many times to be one of the best ever. It has also shown to be better than Kakashi's plus being a pure blood uchiha counts. Experience doesn't matter, it didn't matter Kakuzu was 80 years old, a 15 year old beat him. Sasuke at 15 was better then Itachi in skill at his age, Naruto at 15 took Sage Mode farther than Jiraiya ever did in all his life.

The reason he didn't use genjutsu is that A was moving too fast for eye contact where genjutsu would be viable. During A's Shunshin even Sharingan couldn't keep track of him.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

I would like to know why A and Bee are too fast for Kakashi to Kamui them. Since when were Bee and A Hypersonic without transformations? Replies like, 'Because their faster', or, 'Because Kakashi can't Kamui objects that are Supersonic' will be ignored. Feats will have to be present for me to even give a damn about what your saying.

AGREE , IF ANY ONE CAN PROVE THAT (A) IS FASTER THAN SUSANO ARROW ! WE ARE WAITING , UNTIL THAT KAKASHI KUMAI (A)HEAD OFF :cool:.

[Yellow Flash]

Transformations are allowed in this battle except for full eight tails. Kakashi has never shown to be able to react to their levels of speeds in fights. All he has Kamuid are linear objects that he didn't tag, the objects flew into his Kamui. The reason Kamui isnt the be all end all in the manga is that Kamuing people is harder than having linear objects fly into it.
The only transformation on the latter teams side that is close to instant is KB's, which still takes some time. He Kamui'd a Susano'o arrow, did he not. Whether the projectiles were on a linear path or not doesn't make a difference. Kakashi could simply put Kamui in front of him and let A or Bee be sucked into it when they attack him. If they attack from different angles, Kakshi simply puts the Kamui in the corresponding placement. Hes shown Supersonic+(maybe just Supersonic) speeds, which means once either of the latter team stops to transform or stops period, their as good as dead.
Kakashi's so called supersonic feat was anything but. Reacting would include him being able to move his body out of the way, he was too slow to even move his hands. I doubt Susano'os arrow is even supersonic, everyone here seems so obsessed with calcs yet there doesn;t exist one to support this claim. Not like it matter, I find them to be faulty sources for information. I'd rather use logic.
He doesn't need to react to it, all he has to do is keep up with it with his eyes, and presto, no more A or Bee. Besides, Kakashi has been said to be at Supersonic speeds. Then by your logic you can't prove A is Hypersonic with Raiton armor, or any character for that matter, simply because there aren't any calculations for them.
It's all right, I don't give a damn if you don't give a damn either. ;)
That's good. I would hope you didn't. ;)

[Kisame]

The only transformation on the latter teams side that is close to instant is KB's, which still takes some time. He Kamui'd a Susano'o arrow, did he not. Whether the projectiles were on a linear path or not doesn't make a difference. Kakashi could simply put Kamui in front of him and let A or Bee be sucked into it when they attack him. If they attack from different angles, Kakshi simply puts the Kamui in the corresponding placement. Hes shown Supersonic+(maybe just Supersonic) speeds, which means once either of the latter team stops to transform or stops period, their as good as dead.

Kakashi never starts with Kamui, even when bloodlusted he tests out his opponents first. Plus, with manga panels it's never clear how long anything takes, Kakashi activating Mangekyo probably takes as much time. Problem is with A's reaction time being the best in the manga he could react to an bject appearing in front of him and KB I would bet could too. Kakashi has never shown supersonic speed, the arrow has never shown supersonic speeds, besides Shunshins and Gates strike speed nothing has ever been shown to be supersonic. I find calcs to be faulty and be an option the BG enforces cals onto you, it's either go by my rules or get out. Considering calcs are flawed I think you have to support them no matter what if you'd rather go by statements and logic.

He doesn't need to react to it, all he has to do is keep up with it with his eyes, and presto, no more A or Bee. Besides, Kakashi has been said to be at Supersonic speeds. Then by your logic you can't prove A is Hypersonic with Raiton armor, or any character for that matter, simply because there aren't any calculations for them.

I agree, no characters are hypersonic. Glad we agree.

A is lightspeed.

Hmm, A has been said to move at lightspeed, well it's been said so it's a fact. Even with eyes A has been shown to be too fast for sharingan before and KB has shown to be incredibly fast considering he reacted to Amaterasu his reaction time is top notch too.

That's good. I would hope you didn't. ;)

Cool:D

Lalalalala

[You dont know me]

This is in character Raikage definetly loses. A would talk s*** and Kakashi would slip underground and use a clone. Learn A movements and would hit him with Kamui.

[Nero]

The Fact that he Kamui'd Deidara's arm , Asura's Missile Which was not directed to him , 2 supersonic Susanoo arrows and Explosion in the Forest Which was big enough to Annihilate Team Gai and Team Kakashi gives Kakashi the ability to Kamui anything Linear or Not , Kakashi can Kamui it with the Accuracy he posses ..

Also Kisame with Normal eyes was able to see and Track Killer Bee in V2 , And Sharingan is superior to the Normal eyes then Kakashi can Track down Killer Bee easier than kisame ..

Also , Kakashi is not Leagues behind Killer Bee and Raikage in speed , But he is not as fast as them , He is fast enough not to get Blitzed by either one of them .

[Nero]

That is the Kamui Calculations , It is more Logical than Mathematical ..
Ok I will take this seriously now ,

Supersonic is the speed over 343m/s , So Susano'o's Arrow was traveling Faster than 343m/s , As it made obvious sonic Booms .. And Kakashi was standing about 50 meters away in his ordinary sharingan (Headband off) .. So Do your maths and tell me And object moving with speed approximately 343m/s ( I think it is much higher , But i will go with that now ) with distance 50 meters , How long does it takes for the arrow to reach Kakashi ?
I will give you the answer , Approximately 0.146 seconds .. [Keep this in mind now]

Now , If you are familiar with Martial arts you would know The basic rule for evading and Countering an attack is " TO DODGE AND COUNTER AN ATTACK , YOU MUST BE FASTER THAN THE ATTACK ITSELF "

Then when adding the two points together Kakashi activating The MS Must be around 0.073 or less .. (Giving it the appropriate time , Dividing By half As he was able to Activate MS and Perform Kamui)

[Yellow Flash]

Since when did KB start off using Seven-Tails transformation? Since when did A start off using Raiton Armor? Once either of them start to transform, Kakashi senses something is happening and activates Sharingan, with a Kamui shortly following. Since the time between panels are inconsistent I could say the same for any character. Mangekyo is supposedly instant, which is, most likely, a little faster then KB's tailed transformation. How exactly are the the only ones proven Supersonic? If they are the only ones, then KB's and A's base speeds are not, resulting in the speed indifference staying the same, just the speeds that which they're moving at being lower. Calculations are very faulty. I have yet to been presented with a calculation that has proven anything. Going by logic, as you said, is the most accurate why of going about judging speeds.

Hoshigaki Famiglia? How come I wasn't invited?.. `:P

[Nero]

I didn't understand a word of that !!

[Kisame]

Since when did KB start off using Seven-Tails transformation? Since when did A start off using Raiton Armor? Once either of them start to transform, Kakashi senses something is happening and activates Sharingan, with a Kamui shortly following. Since the time between panels are inconsistent I could say the same for any character. Mangekyo is supposedly instant, which is, most likely, a little faster then KB's tailed transformation. How exactly are the the only ones proven Supersonic? If they are the only ones, then KB's and A's base speeds are not, resulting in the speed indifference staying the same, just the speeds that which they're moving at being lower. Calculations are very faulty. I have yet to been presented with a calculation that has proven anything. Going by logic, as you said, is the most accurate why of going about judging speeds.

Hoshigaki Famiglia? How come I wasn't invited?.. `:P

KB always uses it early if he's serious, he was joking around the whole fight with Taka, against Kisame when he was more serious he used it more early. A used it right off the bat when he encountered Sasuke.

They are not the only ones proven supersonic but Shunshin itself used by advanced users such as KB, Raikage, Naruto, Minato, and Sasuke are the only ones with a chance to go into that area of speed.

Not everyone can use Shunshins in battle because the travel so fast they leave no room for countering but people like A can use it in battle which would result as bad for Kakashi.

Weren't you treating calcs as the best way to judge a speed earlier though?

Idk being on AIM improves your chances of being asked.

[Yellow Flash]

KB always uses it early if he's serious, he was joking around the whole fight with Taka, against Kisame when he was more serious he used it more early. A used it right off the bat when he encountered Sasuke.

They are not the only ones proven supersonic but Shunshin itself used by advanced users such as KB, Raikage, Naruto, Minato, and Sasuke are the only ones with a chance to go into that area of speed.

Not everyone can use Shunshins in battle because the travel so fast they leave no room for countering but people like A can use it in battle which would result as bad for Kakashi.

Weren't you treating calcs as the best way to judge a speed earlier though?

Idk being on AIM improves your chances of being asked.
Because KB realized that Kisame was around, if not stronger then him. Raikage was bloodlusted then.

Kakashi has been stated as low end Supersonic for the same reason A and Bee have been stated as high end Supersonic/Supersonic+ (low end Hypersonic for A).

No, I was using your logic against you, not disagreeing with it.

Touche.

[Nero]

*Air*

[Kisame]

Because KB realized that Kisame was around, if not stronger then him. Raikage was bloodlusted then.

Kakashi has been stated as low end Supersonic for the same reason A and Bee have been stated as high end Supersonic/Supersonic+ (low end Hypersonic for A).

No, I was using your logic against you, not disagreeing with it.

Touche.

It's because KB was more serious, KB thought himself as superior if he could go all out, but he started being serious so he used it faster. With Taka he was just fooling around. That's Raikage's main fighting style, there's no other matches taht disagree with him starting off with it.

Calcs are faulty, Kishimoto does not take them into account. Especially seeing as they have never showed that speed outside of Shunshins. Shunshins that were posssibly supersonic were Naruto's Asura Bliitz, KB escaping Team Taka, and Raikage's fastest one I don't see regular characters being so fast otherwise using logic.

Alright.

[Yellow Flash]

It's because KB was more serious, KB thought himself as superior if he could go all out, but he started being serious so he used it faster. With Taka he was just fooling around. That's Raikage's main fighting style, there's no other matches taht disagree with him starting off with it.

Calcs are faulty, Kishimoto does not take them into account. Especially seeing as they have never showed that speed outside of Shunshins. Shunshins that were posssibly supersonic were Naruto's Asura Bliitz, KB escaping Team Taka, and Raikage's fastest one I don't see regular characters being so fast otherwise using logic.

Alright.
Exactly my point. He realized Kisame was on his skill level and realized he needed to go v2 to be able to keep up. Raikage has only fought once, so saying he would be bloodlusted can't be proven accurate until he showcases it more, even if he is hotheaded.

Okay, agreed, although that doesn't prove anything. Logic still says that Kakashi is low end Supersonic.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

Well i am enjoying WITH ur argue guys ^ ^
but i want to mention 1 thing


kisame can react to k.bee moves was bcuz k.bee is slower in water, am i right ??

[Kisame]

Exactly my point. He realized Kisame was on his skill level and realized he needed to go v2 to be able to keep up. Raikage has only fought once, so saying he would be bloodlusted can't be proven accurate until he showcases it more, even if he is hotheaded.

Okay, agreed, although that doesn't prove anything. Logic still says that Kakashi is low end Supersonic.

And Kakashi has world recognition as well, even Pain praised him in their short fight. KB should know he can't joke around here, I see him going tails at recognizing him. Yeah he's only fought once and his whole style was focused on Raiton Armor, he'll most likely use it first and if he fights again and doesn't start off then you can revive this thread and say it.

Like I said outside of Shunshin's Narutoverse has not shown actual supersonic speed, it takes people with masterful control of Shunshin to even make those feats,

[Akatsuki X]

This is a pretty closly debated match.

I still stick with my opinion that either side has a good chance of taking this.

It really all depends on whether Kakashi can use Kumai, and Gai can go gates and use Afternoon Tiger before KB goes into tails and A uses ration armor and they both lariat them to s**t.

[Kill3r_B-st]

This is a pretty closly debated match.

I still stick with my opinion that either side has a good chance of taking this.

It really all depends on whether Kakashi can use Kumai, and Gai can go gates and use Afternoon Tiger before KB goes into tails and A uses ration armor and they both lariat them to s**t.
still no one answered that if bee has samehada or 7 swords

[Yellow Flash]

And Kakashi has world recognition as well, even Pain praised him in their short fight. KB should know he can't joke around here, I see him going tails at recognizing him. Yeah he's only fought once and his whole style was focused on Raiton Armor, he'll most likely use it first and if he fights again and doesn't start off then you can revive this thread and say it.

Like I said outside of Shunshin's Narutoverse has not shown actual supersonic speed, it takes people with masterful control of Shunshin to even make those feats,
Exactly, which is why there won't be too much of a speed indifference in this match up. Not right away, but definitely not too far into the fight. Again, it was because he was bloodlusted. He thought that Sasuke had taken his 'beloved' brother either hostage or had killed him. He was obviously has bloodlusted as a person could get. This is still debatable, as he only has one feat. We'll know for sure when we see some more action by him.

Kakashi has feats like Kamuing those Susano'o arrows that were supposedly Supersonic because of the sonic boom that came off it. I still don't see how Kakashi isn't low end Supersonic.

[colorles]

just like to point out that even without immiediate Kamui, Kakashi is versitile enough to presure Killer Bee still, his speed has already been mentioned, footspeed wise Kakashi is a small notch below them, but he is by no means getting blitzed, and his reaction speed is superior to either of them. Kakashi has so much variety he is a difficult matchup for anyone, and Deva and Asura paths would have been destroyed had it not been for plot

and Kisame mentioned how well known Kakashi is and that KB would take him super seriously (lol A was pretty nervous upon seeing kakashi in chapter 455 or 456 which ever it was, scared he was gonna be assasinated by kakashi; kakashi is a feared ninja, just got trolled by plot a few too many times); true....but then again, Kakashi would take Killer Bee seriously as well, and litterally the first instant Killer Bee started to do a biju transformation, he gets his head kamui'd off

Gai can go in to gates very fast now as shown against kisame, and 6th gate plus Gai is superior to A in physical abilities

[Kisame]

Exactly, which is why there won't be too much of a speed indifference in this match up. Not right away, but definitely not too far into the fight. Again, it was because he was bloodlusted. He thought that Sasuke had taken his 'beloved' brother either hostage or had killed him. He was obviously has bloodlusted as a person could get. This is still debatable, as he only has one feat. We'll know for sure when we see some more action by him.

Kakashi has feats like Kamuing those Susano'o arrows that were supposedly Supersonic because of the sonic boom that came off it. I still don't see how Kakashi isn't low end Supersonic.


If they use Shunshin the speed difference will be pretty good, Raikage with Shunshin blitzed Sasuke with his better sharingan looking right at him and Sasuke has arguably shown better speed feats.When his entire style revolves around Raiton Armor I fail to see why he wouldn't use it, actually when not bloodlusted he used it instantly against the Kisame clone, really there's no proof that he wouldn't as of now. For now everything agreed with him starting in it.

Anyone can react to those arrows if they have moves that can be activated at thought, Danzou reacted as well yet he was slower than Sasuke in their battle. Other moves have produced booms, it could just as easily be an air shockwave. Outside of Shunshin no one is that fast, Shunshin is not regula speed and Kakashi's SHunshin has never shown to be amazing.

[colorles]

Kakashi's sharingan has proven to have considerably faster reaction speeds than Sasuke's and even Itachi's, so who has the better sharingan?

[Kisame]

Kakashi's sharingan has proven to have considerably faster reaction speeds than Sasuke's and even Itachi's, so who has the better sharingan?

Everyone has made a big deal of Sasuke's sharingan and how it can surpass Itachi's. Plus while Kakashi's reactions feats are good their not on a whole new level. Sasuke has shown pretty good ones as well. Combined with the fact Sasuke is a pure Uchiha and has the body to handle Sharingan better.

[colorles]

Everyone has made a big deal of Sasuke's sharingan and how it can surpass Itachi's. Plus while Kakashi's reactions feats are good their not on a whole new level. Sasuke has shown pretty good ones as well. Combined with the fact Sasuke is a pure Uchiha and has the body to handle Sharingan better.

and as a non uchiha, kakashi developed and nigh master'd Mangekyo Sharingan, with the most powerful sharingan ability Kamui (sans izanagi perhaps, but its close)

per mastery of sharingan, Kakashi is still a greater master of sharinang than Sasuke, comparable to Itachi in mastery of sharingan

yeah all three have great reaction feats, but Kakashi's are still greater....just because he is not an uchiha, doesnt mean he is not a master of the sharingan; in fact his mastery should be respected even more because of his non uchiha blood



all that matters in this fight though is that Kakashi has proven faster sharingan reactions than Sasuke, which means he can fight more affectively against A, and Sasuke was having no problems tracking Bee anyways in lariet form, and Kakashi is WAY smarter than taka Sasuke, wont attack with such arrogance

[Kisame]

and as a non uchiha, kakashi developed and nigh master'd Mangekyo Sharingan, with the most powerful sharingan ability Kamui (sans izanagi perhaps, but its close)

per mastery of sharingan, Kakashi is still a greater master of sharinang than Sasuke, comparable to Itachi in mastery of sharingan

yeah all three have great reaction feats, but Kakashi's are still greater....just because he is not an uchiha, doesnt mean he is not a master of the sharingan; in fact his mastery should be respected even more because of his non uchiha blood



all that matters in this fight though is that Kakashi has proven faster sharingan reactions than Sasuke, which means he can fight more affectively against A, and Sasuke was having no problems tracking Bee anyways in lariet form, and Kakashi is WAY smarter than taka Sasuke, wont attack with such arrogance


Sasuke's sharingan has been said to be better than Kakashi's/ Zetsu noted a master with a stone can defeat a beginner with a kunai, he was talking about Sasuke's sharingan and Itachi's MS. I don't even recall them being fgreater but giving you the benefit of the doubt their not really enough to claim it to be far impressive. Plus, it's not just about reaction time, also like Sasuke mastering other abilities suck as sharingan mind control, seeing chakra colors. etc.

[Kill3r_B-st]

still no one answered that if bee has samehada or 7 swords
still no one?:???:

[colorles]

all that matters in this fight at hand though is Kakashi sharingan reaction speed, which is faster than Sasuke's nuff said, which will help him dramatically against A and Bee

kakashi is pretty much a reactions speacialist at this point anyways, even more so with kamui

at the very least in the facet of sharingan reaction speed, Kakashi is tops

Itachi is tops in genjutsu

Sasuke perhaps will surpass both by the end of the manga though, although i see kakashi continuing to improve Kamui and his reaction speed

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

all that matters in this fight at hand though is Kakashi sharingan reaction speed, which is faster than Sasuke's nuff said, which will help him dramatically against A and Bee

kakashi is pretty much a reactions speacialist at this point anyways, even more so with kamui

at the very least in the facet of sharingan reaction speed, Kakashi is tops

Itachi is tops in genjutsu

Sasuke perhaps will surpass both by the end of the manga though, although i see kakashi continuing to improve Kamui and his reaction speed
totally agree about kakashi, with guy, they can beat them.
it'd be a tough match

[Yellow Flash]

If they use Shunshin the speed difference will be pretty good, Raikage with Shunshin blitzed Sasuke with his better sharingan looking right at him and Sasuke has arguably shown better speed feats.When his entire style revolves around Raiton Armor I fail to see why he wouldn't use it, actually when not bloodlusted he used it instantly against the Kisame clone, really there's no proof that he wouldn't as of now. For now everything agreed with him starting in it.

Anyone can react to those arrows if they have moves that can be activated at thought, Danzou reacted as well yet he was slower than Sasuke in their battle. Other moves have produced booms, it could just as easily be an air shockwave. Outside of Shunshin no one is that fast, Shunshin is not regula speed and Kakashi's SHunshin has never shown to be amazing.
Okay, this is gonna be short but I don't know how to respond without either being blunt and mean, or reiterating myself, which I really don't want to do.

Again, he was bloodlusted because he thought to have been captured/killed. Kakashi still has better reaction speed feats then Sasuke, which is basically all he needs to dodge/use Kamui.

Kakashi has shown some impressive Shunshin feats, like in part one when he Shunshin'd from the training ground where he trained Sasuke to the Chunin Exam area, which is an outstanding feat. The reason Kakashi hasn't shown his Shunshin all that much is because of lack of panel time. The fact remains that hes low end Supersonic. The speed indifference stays the same, being only a small margin.

[Kisame]

Okay, this is gonna be short but I don't know how to respond without either being blunt and mean, or reiterating myself, which I really don't want to do.

Again, he was bloodlusted because he thought to have been captured/killed. Kakashi still has better reaction speed feats then Sasuke, which is basically all he needs to dodge/use Kamui.

Kakashi has shown some impressive Shunshin feats, like in part one when he Shunshin'd from the training ground where he trained Sasuke to the Chunin Exam area, which is an outstanding feat. The reason Kakashi hasn't shown his Shunshin all that much is because of lack of panel time. The fact remains that hes low end Supersonic. The speed indifference stays the same, being only a small margin.



Again I want you to understand that his whole fighting style revolves around Raiton Armor and he knows Kakashi's reputation, I'm pretty sure it's even canon he knows it,, he will use it.

Sasuke Shunshin'd alongside him, it pales in comparison with A's, SM and RS Naruto, Sasuke's. Great, but I wasnt actual proof.

Good Lord, even the calc people don't think anyone from Naruto except the absolute top tiers are supersonic. Dude, Kakashi is not low supersonic, I don't think you understand how fast one must actually travel to reach supersonic speed, that word is thrown around here too much.

[Yellow Flash]

I don't know how to get the speed idea through your head without trolling or flaming. I guess you win? It was a great debate, good job. EDIT: Besides, Kakashi doesn't have enough panel time to give more then one ample speed feat.

[Kisame]

I don't know how to get the speed idea through your head without trolling or flaming. I guess you win? It was a great debate, good job.

Nah, wins like this aren;t really wins.

[Nero]

Just Mentioning : Kakashi kept up with Deva , even was close to destroy him except Asura Path Protected Deva in the Last Second , Kakashi also kept up with Itachi and Kakuzu ..
All these character are supposedly to be Supersonic , So Logically Kakashi is Supersonic (Low-mid)

[cnorwood]

omg this is a horrible rapestomp, lariat>>>>>>>>>>>>afternoon tiger and A gives kakashi the last raiton closeline of his life

[colorles]

omg this is a horrible rapestomp, lariat>>>>>>>>>>>>afternoon tiger and A gives kakashi the last raiton closeline of his life

read the thread and perhaps read some recent manga chapters before posting please

i dont mean to sound rude, but what you said in this post has been addressed numorous times in the thread

[Akatsuki X]

Just Mentioning : Kakashi kept up with Deva , even was close to destroy him except Asura Path Protected Deva in the Last Second , Kakashi also kept up with Itachi and Kakuzu ..
All these character are supposedly to be Supersonic , So Logically Kakashi is Supersonic (Low-mid)

Kakashi didn't really keep up with Deva Path.

He was not close to destroying him.

Kakashi never kept up with Itachi,
and Kakuzu is only thought to be Sonic-Transonic.

I agree that Kakashi is low-end Supersonic, but not with the feats you presented.

[colorles]

even in part one Kakash respectably kept up with itachi, countering with water wall, and the clone feint, he just got pwned by tsukiyomi....but yeah in part one Itachi was a bit better

in part two, Kakashi has improved so much even since the begining of shippuden, and is still improving....kakashi is pretty much equal in speed, or close to it to a healthy itachi, and superior still in reaction speed

no he didnt keep up with just Deva: he kept up with Deva AND Asura, and esentially destroyed Asura, who is absurdly durable....and Deva should have been dead for reasons i have reiterated in numorous threads good sir

Kakuzu i'm not sure, but with his tendrils he is fast, and Kakashi has proven to be even faster due to improvment since then....natural manga progression of main characters, they get stronger

AT LEAST low end supersonic, with much faster reactions

[Akatsuki X]

He didn't keep up that well.
All of the Konoha Jonins at that fight were respectfully being casually owned by Itachi and Kisame.

Also at that point, the disease was still affecting Itachi, just not as bad as it was in Part 2.

Saying that he is just as fast as a healthy Itachi is rather absurd since a healthy Itachi by hype is top tier in speed.

I agree that his reaction speed is faster.

If you are saying he kept up with Deva, then you are also saying that Kakashi is as fast as SM Naruto, since Deva was also keeping up with SM Naruto.

And actually it was Choji and Shinji who killed Asura.

Kakuzu is, as I said, only transonic at best.

[321zigzag3]

Kakashi can certainly keep up with SM Naruto he can react to him and Deva 6/6 is not DEva 1/6 chakra

[colorles]

He didn't keep up that well.
All of the Konoha Jonins at that fight were respectfully being casually owned by Itachi and Kisame.

Also at that point, the disease was still affecting Itachi, just not as bad as it was in Part 2.

Saying that he is just as fast as a healthy Itachi is rather absurd since a healthy Itachi by hype is top tier in speed.

I agree that his reaction speed is faster.

If you are saying he kept up with Deva, then you are also saying that Kakashi is as fast as SM Naruto, since Deva was also keeping up with SM Naruto.

And actually it was Choji and Shinji who killed Asura.

Kakuzu is, as I said, only transonic at best.

good enough, doesnt heavily pertain to this matchup anyways, as long as you agree that kakashi is indeed fast, and faster still in reaction speed

SM Naruto is barely, if any faster than kakashi at this point, and if you factor in reaction speed, kakashi is overall the more effective fighter....so are you saying SM naruto could defeat kakashi at this point? even with kamui? shal i make a thread?


kakuzu's tendrils would be faster though

[colorles]

Kakashi can certainly keep up with SM Naruto he can react to him and Deva 6/6 is not DEva 1/6 chakra

Deva with 6/6 chakra was fast enough and powerful enough to fight and pretty much defeat 6 tailed naruto, and 8 tails to an extend, so definately more powerful

speed though, i gues so....the key thing though, is HOW MUCH faster?

HOW MUCH faster would you say Deva with 6/6 chakra is in footspeed than the likes of Kakashi and SM Naruto

[321zigzag3]

We will never know. Mine is sort of a speculation.

I mean I know Deva 1/6 still possessed at least Kakashi level of speed.

It can be that it changes or that Kakashi is just that fast along with Deva.

Then again SM naruto has shown better movement than DEva.

[cnorwood]

read the thread and perhaps read some recent manga chapters before posting please


what recent chapters has shown this is not true, lariat put a hole in kisames chest, and afternoon tiger singed kisames chest and made him smile

[Nero]

Kakashi didn't really keep up with Deva Path.
LOL he kept with Deva for quite a while ..

He was not close to destroying him. No , He was close to destroy him but Asura protected Deva and Took the Raikiri instead of Deva .

Kakashi never kept up with Itachi,
No he kept up with him in the Kakashi vs Itachi 30% Fight

and Kakuzu is only thought to be Sonic-Transonic.
Just saying ..

I agree that Kakashi is low-end Supersonic, but not with the feats you presented.
The feats i presented is all what gives Kakashi his speed Feats ..


Red ..

[Shikamaru Nara]

A speedblitzes. http://forums.narutoempires.net/images/smilies/Empire%20emotes/pek.png

[SimpleGenin]

hmm i lean for A and Killerbee because there faster