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NBT
09-16-2010, 01:04 PM
With and without equal speed.

Pain_man_who_became_god
09-16-2010, 01:07 PM
machamp? the pokemon? maybe lee when he had a broken back

Rasengan SageX5
09-16-2010, 01:11 PM
I don't think that Machamp could take anyone from the Naruto-verse. The only ones he might be faster than are Garra and Choji,but they could take him in raw power,everyone else is faster and could dodge Machamp easy and then take him down with a jutsu.

Pain_man_who_became_god
09-16-2010, 01:18 PM
i always kinda thought if i was a trainer id punch the other one in the face for auto win

Rasengan SageX5
09-16-2010, 01:20 PM
i always kinda thought if i was a trainer id punch the other one in the face for auto win

Lol,that would be one way to do it,except that you would get disqualified in an official match.

NBT
09-16-2010, 01:25 PM
I don't think that Machamp could take anyone from the Naruto-verse. The only ones he might be faster than are Garra and Choji,but they could take him in raw power,everyone else is faster and could dodge Machamp easy and then take him down with a jutsu.

Machamp pushes mountains with one arm and throws 1000 punches in 2 seconds.

Rasengan SageX5
09-16-2010, 01:29 PM
Machamp pushes mountains with one arm and throws 1000 punches in 2 seconds.

Have we ever actually seen a Machamp do this? And,like I said, everyone in Naruto with a few exceptions is way faster than Machamp could hope to keep up with.

NBT
09-16-2010, 01:32 PM
Have we ever actually seen a Machamp do this? And,like I said, everyone in Naruto with a few exceptions is way faster than Machamp could hope to keep up with.

1.Pokedex
2.It gets equal speed.

Rasengan SageX5
09-16-2010, 01:34 PM
That's the thing,the Pokedex said it,so it shall be taken as hype until seen, and is thusly,unusable.

NBT
09-16-2010, 01:37 PM
That's the thing,the Pokedex said it,so it shall be taken as hype until seen, and is thusly,unusable.

Unless I say so,and I say so.

Yellow Flash
09-16-2010, 01:38 PM
Hes right ECW, that is all hype.

Rasengan SageX5
09-16-2010, 01:41 PM
Thank you Yellow Flash. Even with equal speed,Machamp is still overpowered.

The 1st Hokage
09-16-2010, 07:08 PM
Well, ECW says Pokedex info, so 1000 punches in 2 seconds and 1 armed mountain busting. Genjutsu takes him out though.

Without info, Tsunade.

DSPR7
09-17-2010, 05:08 PM
HA!
You'all be askin for feats from a Poke game!

It is widely accepted that, when dealing with the game Pokemon, the Pokedex is considered the only truly viable source of info. Thus, Pokedex goes. And that means Machamp takes down most of the Narutoverse. :/

LUCKY.KAKASHI
09-17-2010, 06:04 PM
I don't know if i am getting the real idea about this thread , some one correct me if i misunderstands it .


Well , my answer is :

Maybe i can kill the ramen guy with he daughter . Mid rape ^ ^

Susanoo's Eyes
09-17-2010, 06:07 PM
lol Genjutsu or ino does her mind transfer tech make him jump into a lava and or spike pit and release before landing in it xD.

Rasengan SageX5
09-17-2010, 09:37 PM
I refuse to believe that Machamp can move mountains with 1 arm until I actually see him do it.

NBT
09-17-2010, 09:40 PM
It doesn't matter what you believe!If you sssssssmmmmmmeeeeeeeellllllllllll what http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x148/paul3rd_bucket/Peoples_Eyebrow.jpg Is!Cookin!

DSPR7
09-18-2010, 06:16 AM
lol Genjutsu or ino does her mind transfer tech make him jump into a lava and or spike pit and release before landing in it xD.

Machamp can survive encounters with Alakazams, who have the IQ of supercomputers (It's like 1000 plus) and who could easily mind rape the entire Narutoverse.

Lady Tsunade
09-18-2010, 06:37 AM
NBT almost always gives Pokedex information in his pokemon threads. Meaning they can mostly rape anything xD Its able to stomp almost anyone at close range.

At long range, it'd probably lose to something like Toad Flame Bombs >_>
Depends on distance really

321zigzag3
09-18-2010, 07:07 AM
Take most of the pokedex info with a grain of salt.

Akatsuki X
09-18-2010, 11:03 AM
More like a ton of salt. >_>

Rasengan SageX5
09-18-2010, 06:16 PM
I will admit that in the Poke-verse,Machamp is tough, but until I see with own eyes a machamp move a mountain with one arm(let alone all four),I refuse to believe that a machamp could take down anyone from Naruto.

FlyingThunderGod
09-18-2010, 09:27 PM
It can easily beat up Sakura

NBT
09-18-2010, 09:30 PM
I will admit that in the Poke-verse,Machamp is tough, but until I see with own eyes a machamp move a mountain with one arm(let alone all four),I refuse to believe that a machamp could take down anyone from Naruto.

Too bad,because I say it can.

Rasengan SageX5
09-18-2010, 09:35 PM
I respect your opinion,NBT, but my opinion still stands.

NBT
09-18-2010, 09:39 PM
It really isn't opinion.Pokemon games are cannon.If you're actually asking for feats from a pokemon game,then you seriously need to play one..............

Maikeru D. Shinigami
09-18-2010, 09:41 PM
Sage of the Six Paths.

Rasengan SageX5
09-18-2010, 10:22 PM
NBT, I probably would if I had a gameboy,but I never saw the point of portable consoles,so I never bought one.

Kakashi Hatake_Yamato
09-18-2010, 10:25 PM
probably tenten....

DSPR7
09-19-2010, 08:11 AM
NBT, I probably would if I had a gameboy,but I never saw the point of portable consoles,so I never bought one.

You mean this whole time you've been whining about feats without actually knowing anything about Pokemon.

Gerroutofit.

321zigzag3
09-19-2010, 01:10 PM
It really isn't opinion.Pokemon games are cannon.If you're actually asking for feats from a pokemon game,then you seriously need to play one..............

If you mean as in existing separate canonical universe than yes.

Considering that the anime, manga, and game branched out on their own.



Game Pokedex should be takes with some grain of salt since its not easy to quantify. Which is why mentioning pokedex included in the OP is needed. Although I doubt it is lying its just it has that Naruto Databook hyperbolic flavor in them.

Then again its the same pokedex thats states that Groudon is 3.5 meters in height or some crap.

DSPR7
09-19-2010, 05:40 PM
If you mean as in existing separate canonical universe than yes.

Considering that the anime, manga, and game branched out on their own.



Game Pokedex should be takes with some grain of salt since its not easy to quantify. Which is why mentioning pokedex included in the OP is needed. Although I doubt it is lying its just it has that Naruto Databook hyperbolic flavor in them.

Then again its the same pokedex thats states that Groudon is 3.5 meters in height or some crap.

Don't forget the cards! XD

Most of the Pokedex is true, but some of it's kind of... odd. Which leads to threads like this.

NinjaMaster474
09-19-2010, 05:48 PM
I don't think that Machamp could take anyone from the Naruto-verse. The only ones he might be faster than are Garra and Choji,but they could take him in raw power,everyone else is faster and could dodge Machamp easy and then take him down with a jutsu.

hehehe... so true, maybe if they weren't a ninja or like someone 10 times fatter than Choji.:lol:

NinjaMaster474
09-19-2010, 05:50 PM
probably tenten....

No way man! Tenten's a good ninja! or maybe I'm just saying that because I'm good with her on NSCoNR3

DSPR7
09-19-2010, 05:51 PM
hehehe... so true, maybe if they weren't a ninja or like someone 10 times fatter than Choji.:lol:

Were you listening? At all?

Akatsuki X
09-19-2010, 06:31 PM
No way man! Tenten's a good ninja! or maybe I'm just saying that because I'm good with her on NSCoNR3

TenTen is about as low tier as it gets, minus Karin and some other fodder.

No one cares about your gaming abilities.. `|(

DSPR7
09-19-2010, 06:37 PM
No way man! Tenten's a good ninja! or maybe I'm just saying that because I'm good with her on NSCoNR3

With that logic, Jigglypuff is powerful. :/

321zigzag3
09-19-2010, 06:49 PM
With that logic, Jigglypuff is powerful. :/

http://resource.mmgn.com/Gallery/full/8PYYM9WR.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/29gn6yq.gif

Rasengan SageX5
09-19-2010, 10:38 PM
You mean this whole time you've been whining about feats without actually knowing anything about Pokemon.

Gerroutofit.

I didn't say I don't know anything, I've been following the show since the beggining and I pride myself on Poke-knowledge. I have just never played the games.

Rasengan SageX5
09-19-2010, 10:39 PM
hehehe... so true, maybe if they weren't a ninja or like someone 10 times fatter than Choji.:lol:

Thanks for agreeing with me, NBT has been shooting me down ever since I came onto this thread.

SimpleGenin
09-19-2010, 10:39 PM
Konohamaru.. haha everyone else would be too fast for Machamp

NBT
09-19-2010, 10:41 PM
Speed is equal.

NBT
09-19-2010, 10:44 PM
If you mean as in existing separate canonical universe than yes.

Considering that the anime, manga, and game branched out on their own.



Game Pokedex should be takes with some grain of salt since its not easy to quantify. Which is why mentioning pokedex included in the OP is needed. Although I doubt it is lying its just it has that Naruto Databook hyperbolic flavor in them.

Then again its the same pokedex thats states that Groudon is 3.5 meters in height or some crap.

That's what I meant.

Yeah,I know

I

SimpleGenin
09-19-2010, 10:46 PM
oh thats crap haha it wouldnt really be accurate because machamp is fast but no where near an average ninja's speed.. probibly Kiba then. thats if Kiba don transform into that huge beast thing

FlyingThunderGod
09-19-2010, 10:49 PM
It can beat anyone the naruto verse all it has to do is fissure. And a mega punch from Machamp is atleast the strength of a Tsunade punch.

NBT
09-19-2010, 10:54 PM
It can beat anyone the naruto verse all it has to do is fissure. And a mega punch from Machamp is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Tsunade punch.
fixed

Rasengan SageX5
09-19-2010, 11:00 PM
fixed

NBT, don't take this question the wrong way. Are you biased for the Pokemon series being better than the Naruto series?

SimpleGenin
09-19-2010, 11:02 PM
It can beat anyone the naruto verse all it has to do is fissure. And a mega punch from Machamp is atleast the strength of a Tsunade punch.
no.. not as strong as tsunade.. and he isnt fast enough to deal with a ninja..nor does it have intelligence to deal with a ninja all by itself

Rasengan SageX5
09-19-2010, 11:04 PM
no.. not as strong as tsunade.. and he isnt fast enough to deal with a ninja..nor does it have intelligence to deal with a ninja all by itself

Simple Genin...thank you! This is what I have been saying all along,but people aren't listening to my sound logic!

NBT
09-19-2010, 11:04 PM
Quality wise,maybe since Pokemon is a part of my childhood.
Battle wise,no I'm not.Pokemon can rape Naruto.

Rasengan SageX5
09-19-2010, 11:07 PM
Quality wise,maybe since Pokemon is a part of my childhood.
Battle wise,no I'm not.Pokemon can rape Naruto.

Sorry,but now I just have to call BS. There is no way any pokemon, except maybe a few of the legendary and Mewtwo, could take down anyone from Naruto.

SimpleGenin
09-19-2010, 11:10 PM
Sorry,but now I just have to call BS. There is no way any pokemon, except maybe a few of the legendary and Mewtwo, could take down anyone from Naruto.
well thats also not true. technically most ghost type and psychic types can deal with some naruto characters.. but with Machamp, since he needs to actually physically attack, it would be hard for him to win..

just think, shikamru, neji, choji, naruto, kiba, was running pretty fast when they were chasing the sound 4.. machamp wouldnt be able to do the same..

Fan of Minato
09-19-2010, 11:11 PM
Really. A few paperbombs together would really harm it. >_> Its not much of a ranged fighter so....xD
I'm not good with pokemon so pardon me. It should be able to take out the fodder though with difficulty.

NBT
09-19-2010, 11:16 PM
except maybe legendaries and Mewtwo
Exactly.Almost any Legendary solos.
Mewtwo is a Legendary.

Rasengan SageX5
09-19-2010, 11:20 PM
He is not a natural Legendary, he was cloned from Mew. By the legendaries, I meant the ones that occur naturally in the Poke-world. That was why I put Mewtwo in his own category.

NBT
09-19-2010, 11:21 PM
He still counts.

Rasengan SageX5
09-19-2010, 11:32 PM
Whatever.....but this thread is about Machamp(who I still say would lose because he is not as strong as the pokedex says he is and without a trainer telling him what to do, he lacks the brains to make a strategy that could beat even Konohamaru.

NBT
09-19-2010, 11:36 PM
1.What you say ain't important.
2.Not necessarily true.

Rasengan SageX5
09-19-2010, 11:40 PM
1. It's my opinion,so yes,it does count.
2. The only thing Machamp knows how to do is his moves and work out,plus take orders from trainers.

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 04:15 AM
Exactly.Almost any Legendary solos.
Mewtwo is a Legendary.

If you mean almost any Legendary as in Anime Legendaries then no. http://i39.tinypic.com/29gn6yq.gif

NBT
09-20-2010, 05:32 AM
Did I say that?

SimpleGenin
09-20-2010, 05:41 AM
lets just agree on something intead of being all smart on each other

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 05:56 AM
Did I say that?

You didn't. http://i39.tinypic.com/29gn6yq.gif

lets just agree on something intead of being all smart on each other

Goku blows up Narutoverse. http://i39.tinypic.com/29gn6yq.gif

SimpleGenin
09-20-2010, 06:04 AM
You didn't. http://i39.tinypic.com/29gn6yq.gif



Goku blows up Narutoverse. http://i39.tinypic.com/29gn6yq.gif
i really dont get what goku has to do with this thread

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 06:08 AM
i really dont get what goku has to do with this thread

:ugeek:

lets just agree on something intead of being all smart on each other

http://i39.tinypic.com/29gn6yq.gif

SimpleGenin
09-20-2010, 06:10 AM
your hopeless dude.

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 06:11 AM
your hopeless dude.

Because I was just trying to be lighthearted in a poor fashion, I am hopeless now?

SimpleGenin
09-20-2010, 06:20 AM
seems to me ur just trying to get smart.

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 06:27 AM
seems to me ur just trying to get smart.

Actually no.

The Goku statement was just me trying to be insert some minor poor humor which unsurprisingly failed.

I don't know where you are getting "I am trying to be smart" coming from.

If you are referring to this
If you mean almost any Legendary as in Anime Legendaries then no. http://i39.tinypic.com/29gn6yq.gif

That is understandable.

THE X UCHIHA
09-20-2010, 07:02 AM
heheheh .. even Konohomaru can beat him within a minute by his Rasengan
but I admit .. that Pokemon can scare babies


http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/machamp.gif

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 07:28 AM
We need more people like you around here, X Uchiha. Someone that knows Machamp would lose to anyone from the Narutoverse,even Konohamaru.

NBT
09-20-2010, 07:43 AM
He gets his face punched in the moment he gets close.

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 07:48 AM
If he lets a clone go in first then sneaks around back with a Rasengan,I think that Konohamaru could do it.

NBT
09-20-2010, 07:54 AM
They both get their faces punched in......or it could use earthquake or something.

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 07:58 AM
How is it going to punch his face in if it is knocked out after being hit with a Rasengan to the back side of the head?

NBT
09-20-2010, 08:00 AM
He gets sent flying before he gets the chance.
Also,Machamp makes him tap out.

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 08:03 AM
Not if Konohamaru times it just right(so that Machamp is in the process of punching the clone and won't have enough time to react to the Rasengan.

NBT
09-20-2010, 08:07 AM
In the time it'd take him to do all that,Machamp would have already punched his in 1000 times.Besides,one weak rasengan won't really hurt it that much anyway.

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 08:09 AM
To the back of the head...yeah. It would slam Machamp into the ground hard enough to give him a concussion,if not worse.

NBT
09-20-2010, 08:14 AM
He did it to Pain and he got right back up.

Konohamaru wouldn't even get the chance to make a shadow clone because Machamp would have already punched his face in.

Life
09-20-2010, 08:54 AM
All I have to say is Konohamaru blitzed pain.:ugeek:

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 10:15 AM
Actually Naraka Path blitzed Konohamaru when the kid backed up against the wall.

Kage Bunshin Feint isn't blitzing on its own. It relies on distraction as well.

Life
09-20-2010, 10:25 AM
Nope that was clearly blitzing just using clones.:ugeek:

Welcome to the world of Naruto. Where a 12 year old can blitz a mass murderer.:ugeek:

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 10:32 AM
If you mean blitzing as in Naraka Path was looking at the other way very distracted and that we don't know when Konohamaru and his clone lackey snuck up and made the rasengan. Then yes. :ugeek:

No 12 year old has ever blitzed anyone in Naruto unless you want to use Haku which he used super chakra powered Shunshin no jutsu while Kakashi just ran. :ugeek:

Life
09-20-2010, 10:51 AM
A feint into a blitz is a blitz.:ugeek:

Naruto blitzed Gaara. Was he not a mass murderer?:ugeek:

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 11:16 AM
A feint into a blitz is a blitz.:ugeek:

Naruto blitzed Gaara. Was he not a mass murderer?:ugeek:

Except Feint with distraction played a much greater role. :ugeek:

I don't recall Naruto blitzing Gaara ever. :ugeek:

Nyruss
09-20-2010, 11:40 AM
Machamp just spams Vital Throw. It's impossible for it to miss and assuming the Machamp is at a high enough level it shouldn't take more than two or three to kill anyone. Protect takes care of any attempts to attack.

THE X UCHIHA
09-20-2010, 11:51 AM
forget about Kono ... any simple fire jutsu can kick his butt away
... I can’t stop laughing on his stupid moves

Machap is a funny joke as well as this thread

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 12:36 PM
I know that Kono would probably lose,I was just being argumentative.But anyone else could overpower or outspeed Machamp.

NBT
09-20-2010, 12:46 PM
I know that Kono would probably lose,I was just being argumentative.But anyone else could overpower or outspeed Machamp.

1.It pushes mountains.It ain't gettin overpowered.
2.How many times do I have to say speed is equal?

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 12:48 PM
Ok,sorry I keep forgetting that speed is equal,my bad.....but as I have said,I won't believe that Machamp can push mountains until I see it happen with my own 2 eyes.

NBT
09-20-2010, 12:59 PM
It doesn't really matter what you believe since pokedex says it can and I allowed pokedex.

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 01:50 PM
Ok I'm not shooting down your Pokedex allowed rule,I'm just saying that I won't believe it till I see it,calm down.

DSPR7
09-20-2010, 06:21 PM
Ok I'm not shooting down your Pokedex allowed rule,I'm just saying that I won't believe it till I see it,calm down.

No, you're arguing with biased, flawed logic that is irrelevant and repetitive. Seeing it is impossible in a Pokemon game, so most people take the Pokedex at it's word, since many of the feats are integral parts of the plot. Notably, Palkia and Dialga screwing with time. Giratina in the alternate dimension. Mewtwo being cloned from Mew. All that has been shown and proven IN GAME. Although we cannot be sure, it's reasonably to assume that most if not all of the other information is true. This isn't the Naruto Databooks, theis actually has facts. :/

And knowledge of the anime Pokemon is like knowledge of the anime Naruto; UTTERLY POINTLESS. By the standards of the anime, Pikachu is a galactic threat capable of killing anything with LOL IRON TALEZ, which is actually a crappy, CRAPPY move. 70 accuracy for crying out loud. :/

Machamp can push mountains, push 1000 times a second, fights and wins against creatures made of steel/rock/magma/pure energy, and has demonstrated the ability to

Beat the crap out of giant butt monsters 20-25 feet larger than him.
Cause an Earthquake.
Gain knowledge of his enemy with a glance.
Battle on equal terms with flying and swimming enemies in their own element.
And he can concievably take down high level psychics like Alakazam.

How does Naruto beat that?

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 06:26 PM
Sage Mode+a lot of clones+clones immobilizing Machamp+Thrown Rasen-shuriken=Machamp death.

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 06:27 PM
And knowledge of the anime Pokemon is like knowledge of the anime Naruto; UTTERLY POINTLESS. By the standards of the anime, Pikachu is a galactic threat capable of killing anything with LOL IRON TALEZ, which is actually a crappy, CRAPPY move. 70 accuracy for crying out loud. :/



The sad thing is that the Pikachu wank in the Anime is true.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/rofl.gif http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/rofl.gif

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 06:29 PM
No, you're arguing with biased, flawed logic that is irrelevant and repetitive. Seeing it is impossible in a Pokemon game, so most people take the Pokedex at it's word, since many of the feats are integral parts of the plot. Notably, Palkia and Dialga screwing with time. Giratina in the alternate dimension. Mewtwo being cloned from Mew. All that has been shown and proven IN GAME. Although we cannot be sure, it's reasonably to assume that most if not all of the other information is true. This isn't the Naruto Databooks, theis actually has facts. :/

And knowledge of the anime Pokemon is like knowledge of the anime Naruto; UTTERLY POINTLESS. By the standards of the anime, Pikachu is a galactic threat capable of killing anything with LOL IRON TALEZ, which is actually a crappy, CRAPPY move. 70 accuracy for crying out loud. :/

Machamp can push mountains, push 1000 times a second, fights and wins against creatures made of steel/rock/magma/pure energy, and has demonstrated the ability to

Beat the crap out of giant butt monsters 20-25 feet larger than him.
Cause an Earthquake.
Gain knowledge of his enemy with a glance.
Battle on equal terms with flying and swimming enemies in their own element.
And he can concievably take down high level psychics like Alakazam.

How does Naruto beat that?

Your logic is slighty flawed as well. In the Pokemon games they had to give all the pokemon at least a slight chance of beating all the others,so they brought even the legendaries down from their full potential to have a chance of losing to standard type pokemon.

DSPR7
09-20-2010, 06:31 PM
Sage Mode+a lot of clones+clones immobilizing Machamp+Thrown Rasen-shuriken=Machamp death.

Sage Mode=about 6 clones only.

Or better yet. Machamp pushed a mountain. What do you not understand? Not amount of clones will be enough to stop him. :/ Try again.

DSPR7
09-20-2010, 06:32 PM
Your logic is slighty flawed as well. In the Pokemon games they had to give all the pokemon at least a slight chance of beating all the others,so they brought even the legendaries down from their full potential to have a chance of losing to standard type pokemon.

Game mechanic, has nothing to do with my logic. :/

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 06:33 PM
The fact is there is no proof that Machamp can do that. So unless you say Pokedex Feats allowed it is all null and void in a sense.

Then again its the same pokedex that states Groudon is 3.5 meters in height or some crap. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/rofl.gif

DSPR7
09-20-2010, 06:34 PM
The fact is there is no proof that Machamp can do that. So unless you say Pokedex Feats allowed it is all null and void in a sense.

Then again its the same pokedex that states Groudon is 3.5 meters in height or some crap. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/rofl.gif

Pokedex allowed, for like the 8000th time. :/

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 06:37 PM
Think about the strength that Naruto showed in Sage Mode(flipping the Rhino Summon,which was probably at least 3 tons,without any clones) with even just six clones thats 1800 tons,with at least one using that strength on each arm and squeezing out enough chakra for one more clone, Naruto could hold Machamp still long enough to use Rasenshuriken and hit him with it. And it was never said that pokedex was allowed on the first post,which is the one most people look at(even though I knew that and am still trying to prove my point.)

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 06:37 PM
Mind you. Most of the Pokedex isn't exaggerated and some stuff has no reason to lie but it really has that Naruto Databook hyperbolic flavor in it and makes you wonder what they were thinking.

Pokedex allowed, for like the 8000th time. :/

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/6xt26q1.png

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 06:41 PM
The fact is there is no proof that Machamp can do that. So unless you say Pokedex Feats allowed it is all null and void in a sense.

Then again its the same pokedex that states Groudon is 3.5 meters in height or some crap. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/rofl.gif

Thank you for agreeing with me,zigzag.

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 06:45 PM
Thank you for agreeing with me,zigzag.

Well if the Pokedex feats were allowed then Machamp can truly take out most of Narutoverse at least.

But NBT doesn't say that although he is going for the Game Version which is technically featless. But I think pokedex feats are allowed implied by NBT

DSPR7
09-20-2010, 06:46 PM
Think about the strength that Naruto showed in Sage Mode(flipping the Rhino Summon,which was probably at least 3 tons,without any clones) with even just six clones thats 1800 tons,with at least one using that strength on each arm and squeezing out enough chakra for one more clone, Naruto could hold Machamp still long enough to use Rasenshuriken and hit him with it. And it was never said that pokedex was allowed on the first post,which is the one most people look at(even though I knew that and am still trying to prove my point.)

Zigzag has been here since before the first post, and shouldn't be posting if he didn't do a little research.

Do you have any concept of the weight of a mountain? An ocean liner can weight about 800 tons, so two would weight about 1600 tons. About 100 or so more of those and you're almost the size of a mountain. :/ Now, one thousand punches of that power every second. EVERYONE DIES.

But it's irrelevant, since only about 4 of those clones can do crap at any time. The other two are there to gather nature energy.

DSPR7
09-20-2010, 06:47 PM
Well if the Pokedex feats were allowed then Machamp can truly take out most of Narutoverse at least.

But NBT doesn't say that although he is going for the Game Version which is technically featless. But I think pokedex feats are allowed implied by NBT

Go back and read a few posts back, he says it explicably, repeatedly, often, etc.

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 06:51 PM
Go back and read a few posts back, he says it explicably, repeatedly, often, etc.

Ah thats right he did say that.

Oh whatever. Machamp isn't soloing everyone I believe unless I forgot something. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/43h7r5d.gif

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a311/SanativeStigma/beer.gif

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 06:56 PM
So true,if I did except what the pokedex says(which I don't) he could possibly take down someone like maybe Choji and someone else,but he would eventually get tired and then lose.

DSPR7
09-20-2010, 07:01 PM
So true,if I did except what the pokedex says(which I don't) he could possibly take down someone like maybe Choji and someone else,but he would eventually get tired and then lose.

He.

Pushed.

A.

Mountain.

Now, that slow enough for you? Good.

He.

Punches.

One.

Thousand.

Times.

A.

Second.

With that massively class 100+ strength, and that speed, he's killing everyone before they can even get close enough to hurt him. The only one he'd have issues with is someone like Pain, since he's split up like that.

Naruto gets raped, as I already proved.

Sasuke ain't got crap that can hurt him but Amaterasu, and Machamp has dealt with greater heat than that before.

Genjutsu ain't gonna do crap. He fights psychics that rape the Narutoverse casually.

Now, try again. For real, this time. :/

Rasengan SageX5
09-20-2010, 07:05 PM
He.....would......get.....tired......eventually... .....then he.......would........be.........destroyed.......b y.......a Naruto and Sasuke........tagteam.....with.......Kirin......an d......Rasenshuriken. `#(

321zigzag3
09-20-2010, 07:07 PM
he'd have issues with is someone like Pain, since he's split up like that.

Genjutsu ain't gonna do crap. He fights psychics that rape the Narutoverse casually.

Add Madara, Kyuubi, Hachibi forms to that list. Kisame's waterdome and wave too.

Psychics are a bane of fighting types.

Genjutsu is more of a manipulation of senses of that depends on Machamp's will power and resistence.

Actually if Amaterasu is on Machamp it will just stick like that for 7 days so it will just slowly burn him now whatever it happens to him is unknown.

THE X UCHIHA
09-20-2010, 11:30 PM
@ DSPR7

honestly ...

Machap has no defences there4 ; any remote attack or any powerful taijutsu would be enough to defeat him even if he was able to smash mountains with one punch .. and I do believe that this ability cannot be existed.
However, there are Numerous of jutsus can get rid of that fool Poke and they are uncountable .

example : .. Sasuke’s lightning sword ... Naruto’s rasen-Shuriken

I think you gotta edit the title of your thread into :

who’s the Weakest person in Narutoverse Machap can beat?

actually , I think this title will be kinda suitable with your ’’ Logic ’’
& if I was a Mod I would lock this thread down immediatly.




Keep in mind , there is no any comparison between a smart High trained ninja and a fool Pokemon has no brain in his head

Akatsuki X
09-21-2010, 12:05 AM
Even if he could supposedly push mountains and punch 1,000 times a minute.
That is just strength and attack speed feats.

There is nothing to suggest that Machamp has the reaction speeds to avoid being decellurized via FRS.

NBT
09-21-2010, 05:59 AM
He.....would......get.....tired......eventually... .....then he.......would........be.........destroyed.......b y.......a Naruto and Sasuke........tagteam.....with.......Kirin......an d......Rasenshuriken. `#(

I never said it was a gauntlet.

NBT
09-21-2010, 06:04 AM
Sage Mode=about 6 clones only.

Or better yet. Machamp pushed a mountain. What do you not understand? Not amount of clones will be enough to stop him. :/ Try again.

Rasenshuriken

THE X UCHIHA
09-21-2010, 07:04 AM
Stop this drolly ... Machamp cannot beat any ninja in Narutoverse even Konohamaru got a chance to beat him ... He is just a stupid creature don’t even know how to speak or rather think .

NBT
09-21-2010, 07:08 AM
Actually,wild pokemon can be rather intellgent at times and how can Konohamaru beat Machamp when he can't even hurt it?
I say Machamp rapes almost anyone that has to get close.

THE X UCHIHA
09-21-2010, 09:55 AM
I never wanted to talk about Konohamaru twice but after thought , I changed my mind cuz I do believe that Weakest must be compared with Weakest .

the fight begins , Da speed is equal for both fighters

first Konohamaru will make a 10 clones .. defnitily Machap will bafflingly move his head like fools doin .. then .. Kono + his clones will surround him in circular .

Machap Naturally won’t recognize the Original Kono ..
and I think he would go toward any 2 clones forming the Rasengan while the other 4 pairs of clones are strongly beating him down with their Rasengans . but don’t ever forget that speed is equal thus , no one can blitz the other .. instead of speed Muchness would be the best solution 4 Kono to defeat Machap.

and if Kono was unlucky .. and have been punched by Machap .. Machap will die while he punching Kono cuz he will get a massive damage from Kono’s Rasen. and The clones’s Rasen.

and remeber the speed is equal

I guess everything is Ok. so ... I’m begging you .. stop this drolly

NBT
09-21-2010, 10:04 AM
Since when can he make that many clones?

Proof that he can do rasengan without a clone.

Proof that his weak rasengan actually hurts Machamp.

Proof that he'd survive 1000 punches to the face.

drolly?

THE X UCHIHA
09-21-2010, 11:39 AM
@ NBT

I admit ,, Kono cannot make a Rasengan without a clone .. I’m so sorry , I was wrong
but on the other hand I can prove to you that Kono is able to create many clones & I,ll knowingly tell you that Kono can beat Machap .

The proofs :

1 . we all know for a fact that Naruto had learned how to create a lot of real clones when he opened that script which contained forbidden jutsus ..

thus , as long as Kono is able to create 2 real clones .. he is totally able to create more clones because of the ability of that Jutsu which he have learned it from Naruto himself .

2 . The Rasengan can make a big hole to the ground or metals .. therefore ; Machap definitely won’t be able to avoid it ... ( Speeds are equal )


3. He will survive even if Machap attacked him without attacking any of his clones because his Rasengan will potect him while hurts Machap at the same time ... and I do think that Machap would grow dead because other clones will strongly beat him down while he is attacking the real Kono or even a pair of his clones.

NBT
09-21-2010, 12:12 PM
That ain't proof.

Konohamaru hasn't shown to make any more 2 or 3 clones.Naruto can make as many as he can because of the fox chakra.Konohamaru ain't got that.

Doesn't prove anything.I'm pretty sure Machamp has tanked attacks from Pikachu which >>> Konohamaru's rasengan.

No.Just no.

321zigzag3
09-21-2010, 01:36 PM
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/d/df/Thunder_Armor.png/250px-Thunder_Armor.png

Pikachu's Thunder Armor.

DSPR7
09-21-2010, 03:52 PM
Are you all dense?

No, really, are you?

He punches one THOUSAND TIMES A SECOND. Not minute, second. That's fast. And by that one equality law regarding speed and reactions, his reactions must be on par with his speed. Presumably he could dodge FRS.

He fights beings made of lava, steel, energy, etc. Nothing in Naruto is hurting him easily.

Doesn't matter how many come, he just punches with all four limbs in all directions and kills them all with MASSIVELY 100+ strength.

Tobi would give the most moderate of dangers, since his intangibility is based off of his reactions. With speed equalized like this, with Machamps punching speed, he dies.

Amaterasu is the only thing that would cause him undue worry, since it does not go out. But even then, he can survive intense heat, so that won't kill him before he kills whoever was involved. Thus, he wins anyway. And if he is replenished for every fight...

Kamui. Kyuubi. Pain. Spamming Rasenshuriken. That's about it. :/

321zigzag3
09-21-2010, 04:08 PM
Are you all dense?

No, really, are you?

He punches one THOUSAND TIMES A SECOND. Not minute, second. That's fast. And by that one equality law regarding speed and reactions, his reactions must be on par with his speed. Presumably he could dodge FRS.

He fights beings made of lava, steel, energy, etc. Nothing in Naruto is hurting him easily.

Doesn't matter how many come, he just punches with all four limbs in all directions and kills them all with MASSIVELY 100+ strength.

Tobi would give the most moderate of dangers, since his intangibility is based off of his reactions. With speed equalized like this, with Machamps punching speed, he dies.

Amaterasu is the only thing that would cause him undue worry, since it does not go out. But even then, he can survive intense heat, so that won't kill him before he kills whoever was involved. Thus, he wins anyway. And if he is replenished for every fight...

Kamui. Kyuubi. Pain. Spamming Rasenshuriken. That's about it. :/

I honestly hope you aren't calling me dense because I have yet make any erroneous claims. Its more like you are getting frustrated here for some unknown reason. As for me I am treating this as a potential lulz thread.

Add Hachibi, and flooding jutsu to that list as well. Also Konan's Moses no jutsu if pulled correctly.

Rasengan SageX5
09-21-2010, 04:13 PM
I think he is getting frustrated because of me not agreeing with his claim that because the Pokedex in the Pokemon games says that Machamp can push mountains with one arm and punch 1000 times a second(which I still think is BS) that Machamp could take any of the Naruto characters if given equal speed.

DSPR7
09-21-2010, 04:19 PM
I honestly hope you aren't calling me dense because I have yet make any erroneous claims. Its more like you are getting frustrated here for some unknown reason. As for me I am treating this as a potential lulz thread.

Add Hachibi, and flooding jutsu to that list as well. Also Konan's Moses no jutsu if pulled correctly.

Lookie there, I didn't say your name. :/ Guess I wasn't talking to you, go figure...

Don't know that stuff, so I'm afraid I can't.

DSPR7
09-21-2010, 04:20 PM
I think he is getting frustrated because of me not agreeing with his claim that because the Pokedex in the Pokemon games says that Machamp can push mountains with one arm and punch 1000 times a second(which I still think is BS) that Machamp could take any of the Naruto characters if given equal speed.

That was like, 10 posts ago. I can't help the fact that you ignore what is accepted as feat in this forum. That's your problem.

I'm frustrated because you keep using the same tired arguments again and again. AND you underpower Machamp. AND you overpower basically everyone, especially Konohomaru.

321zigzag3
09-21-2010, 04:23 PM
Lookie there, I didn't say your name. :/ Guess I wasn't talking to you, go figure...

Don't know that stuff, so I'm afraid I can't.
The fact it was directly under my post didn't help.

Rasengan SageX5
09-21-2010, 04:24 PM
I could say the same too you,underpowering the Naruto characters and Overpowering Machamp.

DSPR7
09-21-2010, 04:27 PM
I could say the same too you,underpowering the Naruto characters and Overpowering Machamp.

No, I've been presenting evidence that is accepted as feat and using it to disprove your "arguments". I've disproven everything you've said, Machamp wins. How am I overpowering anyone?

Rasengan SageX5
09-21-2010, 04:29 PM
As I have said before,show me Machamp moving a mountain with 1 arm and I'll believe it.I don't like to take things as fact until I either see or experience them for myself.

321zigzag3
09-21-2010, 04:33 PM
As I have said before,show me Machamp moving a mountain with 1 arm and I'll believe it.I don't like to take things as fact until I either see or experience them for myself.

He is asking you to accept the Pokedex at least for this scenario as canon.

That is what the OP wants as well.

DSPR7
09-21-2010, 04:36 PM
As I have said before,show me Machamp moving a mountain with 1 arm and I'll believe it.I don't like to take things as fact until I either see or experience them for myself.

You do know that your belief is irrelevant in this topic, right?

Big Bang, dark matter, black hole, supernova, red giant, white dwarf, weta crickets, Great Barrier Reef, Great Wall of China, Montana, an honest politician, Fidel Castro's nose hairs...

I'm quite sure the number things the human race combined haven't seen or experienced is monolithic, let alone the number of things YOU haven't seen. :/

DSPR7
09-21-2010, 04:37 PM
He is asking you to accept the Pokedex at least for this scenario as canon.

That is what the OP wants as well.

That's not exactly what I was talking about, but it'll do. :D

321zigzag3
09-21-2010, 04:40 PM
You do know that your belief is irrelevant in this topic, right?

Big Bang, dark matter, black hole, supernova, red giant, white dwarf, weta crickets, Great Barrier Reef, Great Wall of China, Fidel Castro's nose hairs...

I'm quite sure the number things the human race combined haven't seen or experienced is monolithic, let alone the number of things YOU haven't seen. :/

The difference is that Machamp's known feats really contrast that with the games. But more importantly we never seen Game Machamp operate like in a cutscene.

Rasengan SageX5
09-21-2010, 05:08 PM
I'll just come out and say that I'm biased since Naruto is my favorite show ever. It's not that I don't see where you are coming from, I just don't like to think that the characters from my favorite show can lose to the creatures from one of my old favorite shows. I'm sorry that I've been such a jerk.

THE X UCHIHA
09-22-2010, 04:01 AM
Konohamaru hasn't shown to make any more 2 or 3 clones.Naruto can make as many as he can because of the fox chakra.Konohamaru ain't got that.

Naruto can make over 1000 clone .. cuz of Kyuubi’s chackra
but The forbidden jutsu allow its user to make from 1 to 10 clones or a bit more. ( Databook feat ... Dunno if it’s permitted in your thread ).

thus , any normal ninja can use that jutsu will be able to create that possible number of clones.

Originally Posted by NBT :
Doesn't prove anything.I'm pretty sure Machamp has tanked attacks from Pikachu which >>> Konohamaru's rasengan.

No.just no

I dunno why you are stubbornly insist that Machap is undefeatable or hard to beat

.. may be you have a different point .. you can see it & we can’t


Originally Posted by DPR7 :
Are you all dense?

I know you are kinda fretful because most members are against your point but saying words like
< Dense > to everyone ... won’t change their minds

.. you should just hang on and try to give more reasonable proofs .. and .. if no one give a damn to your arguments .. save them for yourself .. & .. stop these cracks.

Susanoo's Eyes
09-22-2010, 06:51 AM
wouldn't Kakashi just Kamui Machamp's head off or get FRS or even get Tobi warped thus making it a ring out? I can name a lot of ways how people in the Narutoverse can beat machamp :/ Such as soul rip, Gedo Mazo, so I'll most presumably say Machamp can beat Raikage seeing speed is equal :/

THE X UCHIHA
09-22-2010, 07:06 AM
wouldn't Kakashi just Kamui Machamp's head off or get FRS or even get Tobi warped thus making it a ring out? I can name a lot of ways how people in the Narutoverse can beat machamp :/ Such as soul rip, Gedo Mazo, so I'll most presumably say Machamp can beat Raikage seeing speed is equal :/



I have list of jutsus can beat that Poke ..

but I think our buddy

will say No .. No ... No

Machap will win ... `~(`~(`~(

NBT
09-22-2010, 07:28 AM
wouldn't Kakashi just Kamui Machamp's head off or get FRS or even get Tobi warped thus making it a ring out? I can name a lot of ways how people in the Narutoverse can beat machamp :/ Such as soul rip, Gedo Mazo, so I'll most presumably say Machamp can beat Raikage seeing speed is equal :/

That's about it.
Anyone who has to get in close dies a horrible death,though.

DSPR7
09-22-2010, 04:18 PM
That's about it.
Anyone who has to get in close dies a horrible death,though.

Pretty much...

Vivi
09-26-2010, 09:38 AM
With and without equal speed.

Going by Pokedex it supposedly can move a Mountain with a single arm and strike with 1000 Punches in 2 seconds.

Animewise it most impressive Feat was taking on Ash's Snorlax in a Sumocontest.

All depends on what is accepted.

Animewise it's not gonna get far.

Pokedexwise same.

Why?

Strong Power and Hitting Speed is all fair and well but it lacks in terms of Moving Speed and IIRC it hasn't any great Durability feats either.

Shikamaru Nara
09-26-2010, 09:46 AM
Just for the record, Pokedex is reliable. It means a trainer has seen the Pokemon, and the ability has been proven IIRC.

J-Sun Tasogare
09-26-2010, 09:53 AM
Just for the record, Pokedex is reliable. It means a trainer has seen the Pokemon, and the ability has been proven IIRC.
That's the same as hype basically

Vivi
09-26-2010, 10:04 AM
Just for the record, Pokedex is reliable. It means a trainer has seen the Pokemon, and the ability has been proven IIRC.

Well true or not.

Fact remains that it lacks Durability and Speed (Apart from the Flurry) Feats.

It won't get far without having any decent ones.

Rasengan SageX5
09-26-2010, 10:18 AM
Vivi,this is what I have been saying,that aside from the Flurry(which I will let slide),it still lacks the durability to take any strong jutsu from the Naruto characters.

Vivi
09-26-2010, 10:29 AM
Vivi,this is what I have been saying,that aside from the Flurry(which I will let slide),it still lacks the durability to take any strong jutsu from the Naruto characters.

Exactly.Well put.

Still I apologize for only realizing it now.

Machamp pushes Mountains with a Single Hand yet it had trouble in a Sumo Match against a Snorlax which has a weight of 460 Kg or 1014 lbs.

Maybe it's just me but I don't see a Mountain weighing less than 460 kg.
I expect it to weigh Tons easily.

321zigzag3
09-26-2010, 10:33 AM
Welcome, V-Valentine.

Anime and Game Pokedex aren't really the same. They are different incarnations.
Anime Machamp won't go so far.

Game Versions aren't quantifiable unless you want to include Pokedex many which is just hype for them.

Rasengan SageX5
09-27-2010, 09:39 AM
I base all of my Poke-logic off of the anime and I remembered that episode where Machamp was having trouble with Snorlax in a sumo contest.

Vivi
09-28-2010, 11:47 AM
Welcome, V-Valentine.

Anime and Game Pokedex aren't really the same. They are different incarnations.
Anime Machamp won't go so far.

Game Versions aren't quantifiable unless you want to include Pokedex many which is just hype for them.

I believe that is why alot of the Pokemonverse can be hard to judge.

Either they are basically featless in the Anime or they just have Pokedex hype.

Rasengan SageX5
09-28-2010, 01:20 PM
I agree Vivi,even though I have never played the game.but my friend has showed me some of the pokedex on his version and alot of it seems like hype.