Itachi vs KB

[Phoenix Wright]

State of Mind: Bloodlusted
Location: BG Default 80 Meters
Restrictions: Full Hachibi
Conditions: No knowledge, KB starts in V2 and can revert/go back whenever.

[SimpleGenin]

I'd go for Itachi. His fast enough to keep up with Killerbee. He can use Susano as a shield from physical harm and use Ammy at Killerbee. Itachi's Tsu can also deal with Killerbee i believe. Sasuke's Tsu is considered weaker then Itachi's. Itachi just need to catch Killerbee for a second and its over.

[WindScar22]

Hachibi Snaps Bee out of Itachi's Genjutsus and then KB proceeds to Hachibi Mode 2 Menacing Ball Itachi, with Susano'o not tanking it. @Simple - Tsukuyomi is a Genjutsu, so anything that happens inside it isn't real. Itachi could kill KB in there, but he wouldn't die in real life. He'd only have a nightmare of that.

[Phoenix Wright]

^KB can't use Full Hachibi mode and can't MB with Partial Hachibi or V2.

I'm not arguing for Itachi I'm just stating that.

[SimpleGenin]

Hachibi Snaps Bee out of Itachi's Genjutsus and then KB proceeds to Hachibi Mode 2 Menacing Ball Itachi, with Susano'o not tanking it. @Simple - Tsukuyomi is a Genjutsu, so anything that happens inside it isn't real. Itachi could kill KB in there, but he wouldn't die in real life. He'd only have a nightmare of that.

mind rape like what itachi did with kakashi. from what i remembered it weakened kakashi so bad that he had to stay in bed until tsunade did her lil healing thing. when sasuke caught killerbee in a genjutsu, it took more then a second to break out of that genjutsu. itachi only needs one second, and the prof of that is what happened with kakashi.

[Phoenix Wright]

He's automatically immune, he has someone that instantaneously breaks him out, they're basically fused together, he's completely immune. To the user, Itachi can control the length and it won't be needed, when KB was caught by Sasuke he kept going and didn't stop to get caught, and with Itachi's, he won't be.

He's immune to genjutsu and that's that. I'm actually surprised you guys are debating for Itachi, I figured I'd have to close my own thread, but I guess its up for debate by some of you.

[The Last Kage]

I think Itachi probably has this, owing to the strength of his susano'o. As it has the yata mirror, I think that it could probably tank just about anything.

[deidara#1]

Its Killer Bee unless Itachi can some how slow Killer Bee down so he has time to do Susanoo or Amaterasu he has nothing else he can do in this fight.

[The Last Kage]

I was under the impression Itachi can use Susano'o pretty fast. He did stop a lightning blot with it in an instant, didn't he?

[SimpleGenin]

He's automatically immune, he has someone that instantaneously breaks him out, they're basically fused together, he's completely immune. To the user, Itachi can control the length and it won't be needed, when KB was caught by Sasuke he kept going and didn't stop to get caught, and with Itachi's, he won't be.

He's immune to genjutsu and that's that. I'm actually surprised you guys are debating for Itachi, I figured I'd have to close my own thread, but I guess its up for debate by some of you.
just to be clear i hold no special feelings for neither characters. but my opinion really is Itachi. blitzing wont work against him seeing that he himself is more then capable of keeping up with sasuke. im still pretty sketchy about the genjutsu thing because KB said it wont work on him, but it didnt work on him automatically when he got caught. but aside from that, Ammy could severely damage KB

[Phoenix Wright]

just to be clear i hold no special feelings for neither characters. but my opinion really is Itachi. blitzing wont work against him seeing that he himself is more then capable of keeping up with sasuke. im still pretty sketchy about the genjutsu thing because KB said it wont work on him, but it didnt work on him automatically when he got caught. but aside from that, Ammy could severely damage KB
KB didn't keep up with Sasuke, KB completely blitzed Sasuke. That speed feat, keeping up with Sasuke means nothing.

And did KB stop for the genjutsu? No, he kept going and blew Sasuke's chest out.

I never said you were wanking but I will eventually if you stick to the idea for too long.

KB is also way too fast and can avoid Susano'o, assuming Itachi even wants to put it up. It's a bit slower than KB and it's massively chakra consuming, and its not hard to tell that, and KB's pretty intelligent, he'll know to keep avoiding.

Itachi can't stay in it for too long assuming he even knows he's about to die and he won't use it from the start while bloodlusted, since its probably the worst way for dealing with someone like KB.

As for tanking KB could probably break through it, saying nothing can is a no limits fallacy, besides like I said its a massive chakra consumer and Itachi staying in it for prolonged amounts of time isn't good for him.

And as for Ammy, Raikage easily moved faster than Sasuke's eyes could move and like I said KB was casually raping Sasuke in terms of speed, plus he's a bit fast to where he said the only person that actually could dodge his attacks were mainly his brother.

Adding onto that fact, Sasuke's Amaterasu>>>Itachi's, he can use Enton now showing his superiority and mastery over it. It's not too hard to believe that KB can move faster than Itachi can keep up with.

[gama-sennin]

Without menacing ball there is nothing KB can do to damage Susano'o...Itachi has got much better reaction speed as he reacted to kirin which is kinda like lighting itself....

Itachi wins by sealing KB in Totsuka sword....

[Phoenix Wright]

KB=Too fast to get caught

Itachi=Can't stay in Susano'o too long.

Anything that contradicts KB actually showing the feats to break through anyway?

[SimpleGenin]

KB didn't keep up with Sasuke, KB completely blitzed Sasuke. That speed feat, keeping up with Sasuke means nothing.

And did KB stop for the genjutsu? No, he kept going and blew Sasuke's chest out.

I never said you were wanking but I will eventually if you stick to the idea for too long.

KB is also way too fast and can avoid Susano'o, assuming Itachi even wants to put it up. It's a bit slower than KB and it's massively chakra consuming, and its not hard to tell that, and KB's pretty intelligent, he'll know to keep avoiding.

Itachi can't stay in it for too long assuming he even knows he's about to die and he won't use it from the start while bloodlusted, since its probably the worst way for dealing with someone like KB.

As for tanking KB could probably break through it, saying nothing can is a no limits fallacy, besides like I said its a massive chakra consumer and Itachi staying in it for prolonged amounts of time isn't good for him.

And as for Ammy, Raikage easily moved faster than Sasuke's eyes could move and like I said KB was casually raping Sasuke in terms of speed, plus he's a bit fast to where he said the only person that actually could dodge his attacks were mainly his brother.

Adding onto that fact, Sasuke's Amaterasu>>>Itachi's, he can use Enton now showing his superiority and mastery over it. It's not too hard to believe that KB can move faster than Itachi can keep up with.

just a question:

Ammy, does it act as a flamethrower or does it ignite on sight?

chapter 413 - KB got caught. he even fell to the ground for a good few seconds

[gama-sennin]

KB=Too fast to get caught

Itachi=Can't stay in Susano'o too long.

Anything that contradicts KB actually showing the feats to break through anyway?

Genjutus wont work ....There is absolutely no doubt about that...

But Itachi has shown good enough reaction speed to say that, he will be able to go susano'o before Bee manages to cross the distance....Bee is a close range fighter and Totsuka blade is fast enough to catch Oro within the time it took for him to say "you" after saying "defeat"....

The only problem is ink saliva and I am not sure what will happen if Bee uses that jutsu straightaway.....

[Phoenix Wright]

It ignites on sight but after a few meters its been shown as a projectile.

Give me the page number otherwise I'm not looking, since I'm too lazy to do so.

Genjutus wont work ....There is absolutely no doubt about that...

But Itachi has shown good enough reaction speed to say that, he will be able to go susano'o before Bee manages to cross the distance....Bee is a close range fighter and Totsuka blade is fast enough to catch Oro within the time it took for him to say "you" after saying "defeat"....

The only problem is ink saliva and I am not sure what will happen if Bee uses that jutsu straightaway.....
And KB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oro in speed feats. Talking isn't a good way of calculating since most Naruto characters move faster than someone can process a thought let alone talk.

Itachi becomes blind and gets blitzed or uses Susano'o in an attempt to save himself.

But then the fact comes of him losing stamina extremely quickly as listed.

[SimpleGenin]

It ignites on sight but after a few meters its been shown as a projectile.

Give me the page number otherwise I'm not looking, since I'm too lazy to do so.


And KB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oro in speed feats. Talking isn't a good way of calculating since most Naruto characters move faster than someone can process a thought let alone talk.

Itachi becomes blind and gets blitzed or uses Susano'o in an attempt to save himself.

But then the fact comes of him losing stamina extremely quickly as listed.
page 8.

415- ammy was shown to be igniting jutsu

[Kill3r_B-st]

KB=Too fast to get caught

Itachi=Can't stay in Susano'o too long.

Anything that contradicts KB actually showing the feats to break through anyway?
im agreeing with you i go for killer bee but a couple things here like you said some time ago itachi doesnt start automatically with susanoo an killer bee is faster than sasuke by a little an itachi sealed orochimaru wen he could not move or dodge how could he miss an 8 headed snake 2 with out susanoo it would be more fair or give kb his full hachibi for menacing ball an power with size other wise base/3 tails>base itachi(without susanoo) and anything with sasuke sasuke lost to base no tails bee kirin healed him TWICE in fact wen he added tails. so i go with kb. with great dificulty but he can pull it off in the end`:D

[Phoenix Wright]

page 8.

415- ammy was shown to be igniting jutsu
Thanks for reinforcing my argument.

If you didn't notice it was a fake out. KB clearly is immune, plus it wasn't panicking it was him asking if it was a genjutsu.

The next chapter reinforces my argument as well, it was becoming a projectile before coming in contact with KB. And it didn't burn through Samurai armor or hurt Karin at all, like I said already Sasuke's>Itachi's and Sasuke also matched Itachi's ammy with a regular fire jutsu.

[SimpleGenin]

Thanks for reinforcing my argument.

If you didn't notice it was a fake out. KB clearly is immune, plus it wasn't panicking it was him asking if it was a genjutsu.

The next chapter reinforces my argument as well, it was becoming a projectile before coming in contact with KB. And it didn't burn through Samurai armor or hurt Karin at all, like I said already Sasuke's>Itachi's and Sasuke also matched Itachi's ammy with a regular fire jutsu.

he was caught in it and from what i understand the eight tailed had to break him out. danzo said that Itachi controls the time with his Tsu unlike sasuke. in other words, Itachi's genjutsu might affect kb because kb didnt automatically get out of that genjutsu.


from what i saw the fire appeared and didnt travel. it appeared infront of kb.

[Kill3r_B-st]

he was caught in it and from what i understand the eight tailed had to break him out. danzo said that Itachi controls the time with his Tsu unlike sasuke. in other words, Itachi's genjutsu might affect kb because kb didnt automatically get out of that genjutsu.


from what i saw the fire appeared and didnt travel. it appeared infront of kb.
but i didnt do that to raikage

[SimpleGenin]

but i didnt do that to raikage
that just means it can be ignited or used as a flamethrower.
thats wut i asked

[Phoenix Wright]

he was caught in it and from what i understand the eight tailed had to break him out. danzo said that Itachi controls the time with his Tsu unlike sasuke. in other words, Itachi's genjutsu might affect kb because kb didnt automatically get out of that genjutsu.


from what i saw the fire appeared and didnt travel. it appeared infront of kbYes, he did. Your comprehension skills suck if you fail to realize that. Sasuke can't control the length of the genjutsu and KB was unaffected. With that said KB fell down as a fake out, and Sasuke fell for it, showing he thought he was caught in the genjutsu. If the genjutsu was that short then he would have actually been affected.

When Sasuke turned around he received a lariat instantly, he was fooled, its rather simple if you actually can comprehend it.

[SimpleGenin]

Yes, he did. Your comprehension skills suck if you fail to realize that. Sasuke can't control the length of the genjutsu and KB was unaffected. With that said KB fell down as a fake out, and Sasuke fell for it, showing he thought he was caught in the genjutsu. If the genjutsu was that short then he would have actually been affected.

When Sasuke turned around he received a lariat instantly, he was fooled, its rather simple if you actually can comprehend it.

"With that said KB fell down as a fake out" i dont believe that. he fell because of the genjutsu. then sasuke got too cocky and looked away.
sasuke couldnt control the length of the genjutsu, therefor the hachibi inside of killerbee had the time to break the genjutsu.

by reading on what other ppl said, its clear to me that kb is faster then itachi but itachi can react to killerbee's movements. id say killerbee too but im still questioning this whole genjutsu thing

[Akatsuki X]

This match is very iffy for me.
Normally I would say Bee rapes, especially starting him out in V2.

He might be able to blitz in that form, and if he hit's Itachi with a lariat or other type of attack, it's over.

But, given the distance, Itachi might have time to use Sasono'o. Then it is also a gamble with whether or not Tusuka blade can hit Killerbee, before Itachi runs out of chakra.

So I say Bee wins with difficulty.

[gama-sennin]

And KB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oro in speed feats.


Agreed.....



Talking isn't a good way of calculating since most Naruto characters move faster than someone can process a thought let alone talk.
I have seen this point a couple of times before but I couldn't reply as the threads were locked immediately for being obvious stomps..

For a normal human the "thought"(signals) speed is 120m/s at the maximum...This normal human can play baseball...Now apply this to Narutoverse...

Some guy X can move at 341m/s...Now this guy needs pretty good reaction speed, unless he wants to bang his head on the wall at full speed. Which basically means that his nerve system can send signals at a speed higher than that so that his body can react to to it after receiving the signals. Now even for a guy moving at 100 m/s this will be a valid conclusion..

So where does this argument of "getting killed before processing a thought come from"?

Note: I know that KB is superfast in version two, but Itachi has also shown good enough reaction speed....The distance of 80 M is also a positive factor in Itachi's favor..


Itachi becomes blind and gets blitzed or uses Susano'o in an attempt to save himself.
Agreed.


But then the fact comes of him losing stamina extremely quickly as listed.I don't think so..Dying Itachi was able to hold it for quite some time...Plus I have doubts about the exact requirements of Susano'o.....

[Phoenix Wright]

"With that said KB fell down as a fake out" i dont believe that. he fell because of the genjutsu. then sasuke got too cocky and looked away.
sasuke couldnt control the length of the genjutsu, therefor the hachibi inside of killerbee had the time to break the genjutsu.

by reading on what other ppl said, its clear to me that kb is faster then itachi but itachi can react to killerbee's movements. id say killerbee too but im still questioning this whole genjutsu thing

Thus meaning your comprehension skills suck. I won't debate any further until you've come to realize that KB is pretty impressive in the intelligence department.


Agreed.....

I have seen this point a couple of times before but I couldn't reply as the threads were locked immediately for being obvious stomps..

For a normal human the "thought"(signals) speed is 120m/s at the maximum...This normal human can play baseball...Now apply this to Narutoverse...

Some guy X can move at 341m/s...Now this guy needs pretty good reaction speed, unless he wants to bang his head on the wall at full speed. Which basically means that his nerve system can send signals at a speed higher than that so that his body can react to to it after receiving the signals. Now even for a guy moving at 100 m/s this will be a valid conclusion..

So where does this argument of "getting killed before processing a thought come from"?

Note: I know that KB is superfast in version two, but Itachi has also shown good enough reaction speed....The distance of 80 M is also a positive factor in Itachi's favor..

Agreed.

I don't think so..Dying Itachi was able to hold it for quite some time...Plus I have doubts about the exact requirements of Susano'o.....
V2 has Hachibi's skull and>>>>Any taijutsu shown so far. With a headbutt he won't get hurt but Itachi will and so will Susano'o.

Dying Itachi was just wasting his chakra. Point being that it will take away a lot of his chakra very quickly and it will mess with his MS. He won't activate it unless he's in pretty much massive danger or needs to, and if he activates it and keeps it on for the sole purpose of killing KB he's pretty retarded.

[SimpleGenin]

Thus meaning your comprehension skills suck. I won't debate any further until you've come to realize that KB is pretty impressive in the intelligence department.

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