Hiruzen + Minato vs. Kisame

[Tourune]

Location: Were Kisame Died

Restrictions: None

Distance: 60 Meters

Acceptions: Hiruzen Has Enma Sommoned Already

[Shikamaru Nara]

Hiruzen was supposedly the greatest Ninja in the Leaf, Minato supposedly the fastest.

Hiruzen and Minato rape.

Hiruzen uses a distraction while Minato does Hiraishin.

[Tourune]

Hiruzen was supposedly the greatest Ninja in the Leaf, Minato supposedly the fastest.

Hiruzen and Minato rape.

Hiruzen uses a distraction while Minato does Hiraishin.
What Is Haraishin?

[Shikamaru Nara]

Flying Thunder God.

[Tourune]

Flying Thunder God.
O, Kisame Had Enough Stamina To Survive An Afternoon Tiger And Still Fight So I Dont Know How Badly FTG Will Hurt Him Seeing Its Just A Kunai To The Body Or Head, But The Kisame Could Fuse With Samahada To Heal That Wound

[SimpleGenin]

Kisame with samahada is almost invincible im sorry to say.

Minato's feats + Hiruzen's feats < Kisame's feats

it doesnt matter what the third is capable of in his younger age because we've never seen it. so the the feats he showed us with the fight with oro is the only acceptable one. Since there's no prep time, Minato's teleportation is out of the question. and since State of Mind is not mentioned its automatically Bloodlust.
So kisame will probibly start the fight with Water Dome, with him going for the kill. The only way i could see Minato's team winning is by using reaper death seal, but even in BL, characters wont just use a jutsu that kills them aswell.

[Slack 40]

Although I agree with Shikamaru that Hiruzen was the strongest ninja in the leaf, that was in his PRIME which the OP never stated. Water Dome GG a bunch of the feeding sharks could probably take them out. No need for Water Dome in this fight. Minato's pathetic stab wounds or his crappy rasengan isn't doing much to kisame who has crazy stamina (on a scale of 1 to 10 his stamina would be OVER 9000!!!!) and tanking abilities.

[manojuchiha]

I agree with shikamaru

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

Hiruzen was supposedly the greatest Ninja in the Leaf, Minato supposedly the fastest.

Hiruzen and Minato rape.

Hiruzen uses a distraction while Minato does Hiraishin.




minato never showed any high speed feats , supposedly is hype .



any way , i think hiruzen can solo .

[mikeiskewl922]

FLG? He can teleport, is that fast enough for you?

[SimpleGenin]

minato never showed any high speed feats , supposedly is hype .



any way , i think hiruzen can solo .
how does hiruzen solo?
Kisame uses water dome, fuze with his sword, and its over.

FLG relays on special seal, teleportation. thats prep time

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

teleportaion is not speed feats

[Fan of Minato]

Really, the battle can't end with Minato and Hiruzen losing as they both know DRS. (Death Reaper Seal). xD.

Hiruzen does not have many feats to beat Kisame or even use DRS on him by his own.

Minato, with the recent chapters, does have a lot of feats though. Afternoon tiger is a really strong technique, however Rasengan is a concentration of pure chakra if he gets hit by that, Kisame will take a lot of damage.
Kisame can't absorb, he doesn't have the Samehada anymore, by the way.
That also cuts him down on strength, we all saw how weak he looked without the samehada.

Enma will also give Hiruzen an edge in the fight.
Boss summons will be needed, and space time barriers will be needed as well.

If it comes to DRS, then Minato wins as he was able to still stand after sealing the fox (half) and had enough to seal the rest into Naruto.

In the end, Hiruzen or Minato win, or at least a tie.

(If its a battle of hype, then Hiruzen and Minato stomp due to being Kages, just saying).

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

how does hiruzen solo?
Kisame uses water dome, fuze with his sword, and its over.

FLG relays on special seal, teleportation. thats prep time

hiruzen uses mud wall (very large type ) like the one he did vs 2nd hokage , then he claim the mud wall and take it like position for fighting .

[SimpleGenin]

sorry but water dome is extremely larger then mud wall. take in mind that that mud wall rested on top of a building. Water Dome can definantly swallow the mad wall


doesnt have samahada anymore maybe, but in BG it doesnt matter.. thats like saying Oro cant use Manda anymore cause Manda is dead. characters are in their top condition unless specified

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

Really, the battle can't end with Minato and Hiruzen losing as they both know DRS. (Death Reaper Seal). xD.

death reaper seal is close range jutsu , they may lose with out one physical contact with the anime ( gaara vs deidara )

Hiruzen does not have many feats to beat Kisame or even use DRS on him by his own.

he can win only bye the feats in battle against orochimaru

Minato, with the recent chapters, does have a lot of feats though.

not to much

Afternoon tiger is a really strong technique, however Rasengan is a concentration of pure chakra if he gets hit by that, Kisame will take a lot of damage.

minato cant use afternoon tiger

Kisame can't absorb, he doesn't have the Samehada anymore, by the way.

no , he can absourb chakra with out samehada ,


That also cuts him down on strength, we all saw how weak he looked without the samehada.

water dome , the same jutsu , how so weak ??


Enma will also give Hiruzen an edge in the fight.
Boss summons will be needed, and space time barriers will be needed as well.



If it comes to DRS, then Minato wins as he was able to still stand after sealing the fox (half) and had enough to seal the rest into Naruto.

In the end, Hiruzen or Minato win, or at least a tie.

(If its a battle of hype, then Hiruzen and Minato stomp due to being Kages, just saying)

sadly it isnt
.


me in red

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

sorry but water dome is extremely larger then mud wall. take in mind that that mud wall rested on top of a building. Water Dome can definantly swallow the mad wall


doesnt have samahada anymore maybe, but in BG it doesnt matter.. thats like saying Oro cant use Manda anymore cause Manda is dead. characters are in their top condition unless specified


mud wall is larger , i am not saying he will use it to attack , i said he ise it like battle ground to start jutsu out side water

[SimpleGenin]

mud wall is larger , i am not saying he will use it to attack , i said he ise it like battle ground to start jutsu out side water
manga 472 page 3. a pic of water dome taller then the surrounding mountain. so i know mud wall isnt as big so its really useless..

Minato and Hiruzen could win with the sealing jutsu but not underwater

[Miles Edgeworth]

How in the world do Hiruzen and Minato stand a chance here?

Hiruzen isn't stated to be in his prime, so therefore it's old Hiruzen. Old Hiruzen couldn't kill Orochimaru, who with those feats was nowhere NEAR Kisame's level.

Minato's feats are so pathetic they won't make a difference here, nothing he can do is gonna save him from Water Dome.

Even if he doesn't have Samehada, it doesn't matter because he's still way above Old Hiruzen or Minato. Kisamehameha (yeah, too lazy to find the real name, that last move Kisame used on Guy) would easily deal with Minato and Hiruzen, and the idea that any move Minato or Hiruzen has can do more damage than Afternoon Tiger (which Kisame survived without Samehada) is heavily laughable.

Dead Demon Consuming Seal is useless if, say, you can't grab your opponent. Considering Kisame is faster than Orochimaru and has much more stamina, the idea of Hiruzen killing him with it is laughable, and Minato doesn't have the feats to catch him.

Kisame could probably just use Water Dome and sit there and wait for Hiruzen and Minato to drown if he really wanted, but it's much easier to just kill them right away.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

manga 472 page 3. a pic of water dome taller then the surrounding mountain. so i know mud wall isnt as big so its really useless..

Minato and Hiruzen could win with the sealing jutsu but not underwater


any way , i will not argue about witch is bigger , but either way hiruzen can wake on the water , so it is not big deal .


guy went under water by his well , he was up water dom in the first of the fight .

[SimpleGenin]

any way , i will not argue about witch is bigger , but either way hiruzen can wake on the water , so it is not big deal .


guy went under water by his well , he was up water dom in the first of the fight .

when kisame used water dome in 471, the water engulfs the enemy. you have to swim up first before he can walk in the water. and as we all know kisame is fast in water and the water is as tall as a mountain

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

when kisame used water dome in 471, the water engulfs the enemy. you have to swim up first before he can walk in the water. and as we all know kisame is fast in water and the water is as tall as a mountain


when gai faced kisame in manga 506 page 13 , gai was out side the water when kisame did the water dom , and the water dom didn't engulf him ,gai go in the water by his well , to search the scroll .



so any one can start out side the water dom and walk out of the surface .

[SimpleGenin]

when gai faced kisame in manga 506 page 13 , gai was out side the water when kisame did the water dom , and the water dom didn't engulf him ,gai go in the water by his well , to search the scroll .



so any one can start out side the water dom and walk out of the surface .
just looked.. totally different jutsu. that was not water dome at all

if it was that easy, killerbee should have been able to do it.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

1 _ prove ?

2 _ it is not totallt defferent jutsu , it is the water dom , cuz kisame was blood dusted , and he was fighting to survive ,why didnt he use his best jutsu , when he was facing death(against one who lost against him 2 time in the past ) ?

3 _ all over estimate bee san .

[Miles Edgeworth]

The only reason Guy was not covered in water was because of the force that was expelled upon releasing all of those gates.

Hiruzen and Minato don't have the same type of technique Guy does.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

The only reason Guy was not covered in water was because of the force that was expelled upon releasing all of those gates.

Hiruzen and Minato don't have the same type of technique Guy does.


i am saying gai was out side the water ,


so water dome can be escapable

[Miles Edgeworth]

i am saying gai was out side the water ,


so water dome can be escapable

By Guy, not by people like Hiruzen or Minato, who are slow and don't have a massive force expelling from their bodies.

On top of that Guy is much faster than Hiruzen or Minato through feats.

[SimpleGenin]

i am saying gai was out side the water ,


so water dome can be escapable
prof? well because Kisame didnt say water dome but five man eating sharks. and it went from five to a whole tidal wave of them.. totally different jutsu..

Gai used 7th gates to push off the water, Hiruzen and Minato cant open the gates as far as i know.

water dome is escapable if you could swim faster then kisame.

[Nyruss]

Kisame rapes.

Bad thread is made worse by people actually trying to argue for Minato and Sarutobi.

Water Dome, the end.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

i didn't say minato and 3th can use gates , and i didn't said they can have a massive force expelling from their bodies.



i am just saying when gai faced kisame in manga 506 page 13 , gai was out side the water dom , so why couldn't minato and hiruzen be out side the water in the beginning of the battle ?

[SimpleGenin]

i didn't say minato and 3th can use gates , and i didn't said they can have a massive force expelling from their bodies.



i am just saying when gai faced kisame in manga 506 page 13 , gai was out side the water dom , so why couldn't minato and hiruzen be out side the water in the beginning of the battle ?
because water dome litterally covers the people with water. and like i said 506 page 13 showed us kisame using a different technique. shure Hiruzen and Minato could swim away but it wouldnt do any good because kisame is faster in water.

[Nyruss]

Kisame isn't using water dome, he's using an entirely different jutsu.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

why he didn't use his best jutsu when he was fighting to survive , and he was facing death .


i think it is water dom

[Nyruss]

Plot.

[SimpleGenin]

why he didn't use his best jutsu when he was fighting to survive , and he was facing death .


i think it is water dom
plot
gaited gai could just push back the water.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Hiruzen in old age hasn't shown anything to escape Water Dome. He drowns.

Minato can't escape without prep for his Flying Thunder God technique, which he doesn't have in this case.

There's also always the possibility of fusing with Samehada and stabbing them with his chakra absorbing elbow.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

because water dome litterally covers the people with water. and like i said 506 page 13 showed us kisame using a different technique. shure Hiruzen and Minato could swim away but it wouldnt do any good because kisame is faster in water.

from wher did u come with that?

[Akatsuki X]

Unless Minato and Hiruzen would like to survive being eaten alive by hundreds of chakra sharks, then it would seem that Kisame wins.

[SimpleGenin]

from wher did u come with that?
471 page 15.. water engufls bee and his friend in a matter of seconds .. in the same page bee is completely submerged.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

the only reasonable thing that i can Accept IS , kisame cant use water dome with out his sword , then it will be OK with me .

[Nyruss]

Can you prove that Kisame needs Samehada to use water dome?

[SimpleGenin]

the only reasonable thing that i can Accept IS , kisame cant use water dome with out his sword , then it will be OK with me .
water dome has nothing to do with his sword. there totally different.. shure samahada helps because it grants kisame extra chakra reserve and the ability to easily steal chakra.. kisame can use water dome without samahade, thus still winning. once under water, kisame could spam with man eating sharks

[Lady Tsunade]

Hiruzen was supposedly the greatest Ninja in the Leaf, Minato supposedly the fastest.

Hiruzen and Minato rape.

Hiruzen uses a distraction while Minato does Hiraishin.

Why are you going by hype? You know fine well hype isn't used in the BG. Hiruzen has some Fire Style jutsu, Kage Bunshin. And Enmas close range attacks. Minato has his teleport+Rasengan combo. Not enough feats to even nearly beat Kisame. Warer dome is all it takes for him to win.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

471 page 15.. Water engufls bee and his friend in a matter of seconds .. In the same page bee is completely submerged.
i think that was a plot

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

can you prove that kisame needs samehada to use water dome?


cuz he didn't use it ( like u said ) when he needs it , vs some one beated him twice b4 .

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

water dome has nothing to do with his sword. There totally different.. Shure samahada helps because it grants kisame extra chakra reserve and the ability to easily steal chakra.. Kisame can use water dome without samahade, thus still winning. Once under water, kisame could spam with man eating sharks

kisame did the water dome against gai , and about how K.bee san trapped from the first of the battle on it , it is plot

[Nyruss]

cuz he didn't use it ( like u said ) when he needs it , vs some one beated him twice b4 .

That's not proof. That's just retard logic because you don't want to admit that Kisame wins.

i think that was a plot
Can you prove it?

kisame did the water dome against gai , and about how K.bee san trapped from the first of the battle on it , it is plot

Water Dome is not plot.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

That's not proof. That's just retard logic because you don't want to admit that Kisame wins.

HOW ABOUT THIS LOGIC ( KISAME DIDN'T USE WATER DOM VS GAI CUZ OF NOTHING )


Can you prove it?
WHEN U PROVE THAT THE JUTSU THAT KISAME DID VS GAI IS NOT WATER DOM BY TRUE PROVE , NOT STUPID THINGS .




Water Dome is not plot.

NOT THE WATER DOM IS THE PLOT , THE PLOT IS WHEN BEE SAN TRAPPED ON IT WITH OUT BEING ON THE SURFACE OF THE WATER LIKE IN GAI BATTLE .




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KISAME USED WATER DOM VS GAI , IT IS SIMPLE .


ANOTHER THING , THE JUTSU CALLED WATER RELEASE : Exploding Water Colliding Wave , AND IT IS THE SAME IN BOTH BATTLE AGAINST GAI AND BEE SAN , THE ONLY DEFERENT THING IS , BEE LOST THE THAT JUTSU , WHICH MAKE SOME PPL EMPHASIZE IT .

[RealNinja]

Enma grabs Kisame Minato teleports his body from his head.

[Nyruss]

HOW ABOUT THIS LOGIC ( KISAME DIDN'T USE WATER DOM VS GAI CUZ OF NOTHING )



I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I assume it's something like "Dudemeister is awesome."


WHEN U PROVE THAT THE JUTSU THAT KISAME DID VS GAI IS NOT WATER DOM BY TRUE PROVE , NOT STUPID THINGS .



Chapter 506 page 12. Kisame uses Five Man Eating Sharks and not, repeat NOT Water Dome.

Chapter 506 page 15. Kisame uses Giant Shark Missile and not, repeat NOT Water Dome. There's your proof. Now prove that Kisame needs Samehada to use Water Dome.


NOT THE WATER DOM IS THE PLOT , THE PLOT IS WHEN BEE SAN TRAPPED ON IT WITH OUT BEING ON THE SURFACE OF THE WATER LIKE IN GAI BATTLE .


Kisame never used Water Dome in the Gai battle so the comparison is useless.

KISAME USED WATER DOM VS GAI , IT IS SIMPLE .


Prove it.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

Ok bye bye :)

[RealNinja]

These are all good points in general but the question is will Kisame even get waterdome off. Minato or Hiruzen wouldnt stand there and let him get any attack off. The waterdome was a great feat its preventable.

[Nyruss]

Minato and Hiruzen aren't fast enough to do anything before Kisame uses water dome.

[321zigzag3]

Why would Kisame use waterdome suddenly?

Usually he just charges or goes for the kill or barfs a lake.

[Nyruss]

There's no kill like overkill.

[321zigzag3]

Well if Kisame uses waterdome then the chances of their victory does go slim.

The only way for Team Minato to escape the waterdome is a that Space Time Barrier and he must do it very quickly.

But the dome is much bigger than 60 meters. http://i39.tinypic.com/29gn6yq.gif


If you had banned Waterdome. Then thats a different story. http://i39.tinypic.com/29gn6yq.gif

[RealNinja]

Waterdome takes a sec to totaly submerge everyone. Minato is fast enough to cover the ground by throwing a kunai and use teleportation. If Minato blitzes him with teleportation before he gets waterdome off winning is possible. Might have to drag Hiruzen with him to help collab attacks.

[321zigzag3]

Whats faster?

Barfing out Waterdome or Throwing a kunai at 60 meters.

I am inclined with the former. http://i34.tinypic.com/2lu6o2w.jpg

[Phoenix Wright]

How in the world do Hiruzen and Minato stand a chance here?

Hiruzen isn't stated to be in his prime, so therefore it's old Hiruzen. Old Hiruzen couldn't kill Orochimaru, who with those feats was nowhere NEAR Kisame's level.

Minato's feats are so pathetic they won't make a difference here, nothing he can do is gonna save him from Water Dome.

Even if he doesn't have Samehada, it doesn't matter because he's still way above Old Hiruzen or Minato. Kisamehameha (yeah, too lazy to find the real name, that last move Kisame used on Guy) would easily deal with Minato and Hiruzen, and the idea that any move Minato or Hiruzen has can do more damage than Afternoon Tiger (which Kisame survived without Samehada) is heavily laughable.

Dead Demon Consuming Seal is useless if, say, you can't grab your opponent. Considering Kisame is faster than Orochimaru and has much more stamina, the idea of Hiruzen killing him with it is laughable, and Minato doesn't have the feats to catch him.

Kisame could probably just use Water Dome and sit there and wait for Hiruzen and Minato to drown if he really wanted, but it's much easier to just kill them right away.
I was surprised at the utter stupidity of previous posters and said lolwut all the way until your post.

And lol at other posts after this too. In no way could Kisame lose this fight, ever.

Minato hasn't shown near enough feats to stand a chance and the ones he has suck.

And Hiruzen's feats suck as well and barely has any that can stack up to Kisame and his vast amount of jutsu and chakra.

With or without Samehada he takes this with ease.