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The Anti-Existence
08-16-2010, 08:14 PM
I'm going with Elite Jounin myself but mainly due to his Kekkei Genkai. Sure his taijutsu skill was nice and his speed was decent but neither is enough to make him anything more than a low Jounin. With his bone defense and Curse Marks though, I think it elevates him to Elite Jounin.

Spleen Boy
08-16-2010, 08:17 PM
He was more or less Immortal. Ellite Jonnin if not then God Ninja.

SimpleGenin
08-16-2010, 09:12 PM
i actually think his in the low jonin to mid jonin.
gaara, a genin beat him but that maybe do to the plot

4 sound ninja (all their curse mark mode) > 2 low jonins of the leaf
sound ninja had very hard time fighting the two jonins

4 sound ninja ( not in curse mark mode) < kimimaro

Vatanui AKA Pride
08-16-2010, 09:19 PM
Probably around the middle to high levels of the Jonin. That's if we're considering that he's at his prime, where he has no sickness preventing him from battling at full capacity.

By the way SimpleGenin, Gaara and Lee DID NOT beat him, because he was right about to kill them both before his sickness overcame him and caused for his death. Even so, he was already on his deathbed the moment he unveiled himself in the series. He also had to take on Bloodlusted, half-Tails Naruto for a bit, and was pretty much owning him in the act as well.

RealNinja
08-16-2010, 09:19 PM
I think low Jonin. I think if he faced Kakaishi for instance he would get owned. His tactics were kinda simple since he was taijutsu specialist.

RealNinja
08-16-2010, 09:25 PM
Probably around the middle to high levels of the Jonin. That's if we're considering that he's at his prime, where he has no sickness preventing him from battling at full capacity.

By the way SimpleGenin, Gaara and Lee DID NOT beat him, because he was right about to kill them both before his sickness overcame him and caused for his death. Even so, he was already on his deathbed the moment he unveiled himself in the series. He also had to take on Bloodlusted, half-Tails Naruto for a bit, and was pretty much owning him in the act as well.

Yeah but they did trash his body even more. His skills werent that great to be considered elite. He just had the curse mark which gave him more chakra. If I seen him in his prime without sickness maybe could have given him a hingher rank.

Spleen Boy
08-16-2010, 09:25 PM
i actually think his in the low jonin to mid jonin.
gaara, a genin beat him but that maybe do to the plot

4 sound ninja (all their curse mark mode) > 2 low jonins of the leaf
sound ninja had very hard time fighting the two jonins

4 sound ninja ( not in curse mark mode) < kimimaro

You are joking right? Right?
By beat him do you mean that he got his arse raped by kimimaru and would have died if it were not for kimimaru's sickness that made him significantly weaker while he was fighting with rock lee?
If that is what you meant by "Beat him" then you are right.

Vatanui AKA Pride
08-16-2010, 09:31 PM
Yeah but they did trash his body even more. His skills werent that great to be considered elite. He just had the curse mark which gave him more chakra. If I seen him in his prime without sickness maybe could have given him a hingher rank.

Lol wut? 'Trashed his body'? Not they didn't, he was trashing them completely, despite the fact that he was on his deathbed, literally.

Spleen Boy
08-16-2010, 09:34 PM
Lol wut? 'Trashed his body'? Not they didn't, he was trashing them completely, despite the fact that he was on his deathbed, literally.

Agree. if anyone payed attention during that fight he took out about 100 Fox High Naruto, Loopy Lee and Gaara without getting a scratch on him. That sounds like Jonin level to me.

SimpleGenin
08-16-2010, 09:36 PM
You are joking right? Right?
By beat him do you mean that he got his arse raped by kimimaru and would have died if it were not for kimimaru's sickness that made him significantly weaker while he was fighting with rock lee?
If that is what you meant by "Beat him" then you are right.
haha ur so defensive.. i actually was giving kimimaro more credit that what you think..

fact is genin gaara was taking on kimimaro toe to toe even in his curse mark mode.. if you dont agree that kimimaro had a hard time than you should read the manga again cause he was.. sure gaara might have won due to plot but even if he defeated gaara, gaara is still a genin . shure kimimaru was sick but we really dont know how strong he is on his top health.. the only fight we can see him on his "top condition" is prolly when he beat the 4 sound ninja. but thats not that much feat considering they all lost to genins ( due to plot) but they still did.

so if we go by that kimimaru should be about mid chunin at most..
i gave him mid jonin just because of the health wise.. i thought mybe he IS alot stronger in his top condition.. but being a "god", not even

Vatanui AKA Pride
08-16-2010, 09:40 PM
haha ur so defensive.. i actually was giving kimimaro more credit that what you think..

fact is genin gaara was taking on kimimaro toe to toe even in his curse mark mode.. if you dont agree that kimimaro had a hard time than you should read the manga again cause he was.. sure gaara might have won due to plot but even if he defeated gaara, gaara is still a genin . shure kimimaru was sick but we really dont know how strong he is on his top health.. the only fight we can see him on his "top condition" is prolly when he beat the 4 sound ninja. but thats not that much feat considering they all lost to genins ( due to plot) but they still did.

so if we go by that kimimaru should be about mid chunin at most..
i gave him mid jonin just because of the health wise.. i thought mybe he IS alot stronger in his top condition.. but being a "god", not even

He was taking on BOTH Lee and Gaara. At the same time. Not to boot the fact that he was also casually facing a Bloodlusted Naruto earlier.

Rank does not matter in fights. If it did, than Tenten, a Chunin, could curbstomp both current Naruto and Sasuke because of the fact that they are Genin.

No duh he was having a hard time, it was because he had one foot in the grave. He knew he was going to die, and yet even brief moments from his death, he could take on two powerful fighters and still curbstomp them.

He's on his deathbed, hence having one foot stuck in the grave literally. Usually, that slows you down considerably.

Also, at what point had I or Spleen stated that he was a God seriously?

SimpleGenin
08-16-2010, 09:48 PM
He was more or less Immortal. Ellite Jonnin if not then God Ninja.
true about the rankings, but i still do believe ranks matter alot when deciding something like a fight or a character's level. dont include naruto into this since he and sasuke are the main characters so them being godly is needed..
besides i think they decide ninja levels not by feats but intellegence, example is shikimaru. i saw so many leaf jonins and anbu that have pretty basic ninja style.. so kimimaro can very well be stronger than some jonins but less intelligent then them.

Spleen Boy
08-16-2010, 09:53 PM
haha ur so defensive.. i actually was giving kimimaro more credit that what you think..

fact is genin gaara was taking on kimimaro toe to toe even in his curse mark mode.. if you dont agree that kimimaro had a hard time than you should read the manga again cause he was.. sure gaara might have won due to plot but even if he defeated gaara, gaara is still a genin . shure kimimaru was sick but we really dont know how strong he is on his top health.. the only fight we can see him on his "top condition" is prolly when he beat the 4 sound ninja. but thats not that much feat considering they all lost to genins ( due to plot) but they still did.

so if we go by that kimimaru should be about mid chunin at most..
i gave him mid jonin just because of the health wise.. i thought mybe he IS alot stronger in his top condition.. but being a "god", not even

Wrongness. He was having trouble maybe cause he was oh I don't know... dieing? Gaara never layed a move on him.
And maybe Gaara did so well was cause he was easily a chunnin-high chunnin ranked ninja at the time.
Even if Kimimaru was not ANY stronger at all at full health which I am sure he was, because his body was slowly being paralyzed and he was coughing up blood, he would still have not been hit at all by gaara and after an agonizing 10 minutes of battle would have killed him.
Not to mention the only reason he even went into curse mark 2 was because he got giant sand buried and Sand Tsunamied.... a move that would have killed nearly any other opponent at the time, he came out of without a scratch. So still basically an immortal Jonin.
How would you propose a legally classified jonin would have gotten out of that move?

Spleen Boy
08-16-2010, 09:56 PM
He was taking on BOTH Lee and Gaara. At the same time. Not to boot the fact that he was also casually facing a Bloodlusted Naruto earlier.

Rank does not matter in fights. If it did, than Tenten, a Chunin, could curbstomp both current Naruto and Sasuke because of the fact that they are Genin.

No duh he was having a hard time, it was because he had one foot in the grave. He knew he was going to die, and yet even brief moments from his death, he could take on two powerful fighters and still curbstomp them.

He's on his deathbed, hence having one foot stuck in the grave literally. Usually, that slows you down considerably.

Also, at what point had I or Spleen stated that he was a God seriously?

I was joking when I said he was god. JO-O-O-OKE
And he literally said that he had lost nearly complete control of his body by the time he was fighting the two of them. So we know he was considerably weaker.
And if this matters at all, in Shippuden flashback he was able to stop Juugo's Curse Mark Chakra Jet Fist in base form without any trouble as a child. I am pretty sure that amounts to some epic natural skill

SimpleGenin
08-16-2010, 09:59 PM
Wrongness. He was having trouble maybe cause he was oh I don't know... dieing? Gaara never layed a move on him.
And maybe Gaara did so well was cause he was easily a chunnin-high chunnin ranked ninja at the time.
Even if Kimimaru was not ANY stronger at all at full health which I am sure he was, because his body was slowly being paralyzed and he was coughing up blood, he would still have not been hit at all by gaara and after an agonizing 10 minutes of battle would have killed him.
Not to mention the only reason he even went into curse mark 2 was because he got giant sand buried and Sand Tsunamied.... a move that would have killed nearly any other opponent at the time, he came out of without a scratch. So still basically an immortal Jonin.
How would you propose a legally classified jonin would have gotten out of that move?
like i said before intelligence and experience is prolly how the villagers decide weither a ninja is a jonin or not. if its all about what a characters can do(feats), then ALOT of leaf jonins should be genins or chunins instead. an example is shikimaru's promotion in the chuunin exam. we all know sasuke, naruto, neji, kiba, even hinata showed more impressive fighting skills in the chunin exam but how come they didnt get promoted.. because its not all about feats

Vatanui AKA Pride
08-16-2010, 10:22 PM
The BG is based on feats, and we use said feats to determine the debates.

Also, Naruto and Sasuke have had plenty of experience. The two also have shown the ability to come up with competent strategies while fighting in heavy combat. And yet they are still Genin.

SimpleGenin
08-16-2010, 10:49 PM
The BG is based on feats, and we use said feats to determine the debates.

Also, Naruto and Sasuke have had plenty of experience. The two also have shown the ability to come up with competent strategies while fighting in heavy combat. And yet they are still Genin.
last post in this thread

i completely understand using feats in fights in the BG but not in deciding a character's level. if we decide to use feats and exclude intelligence and experience, what does that say about alot of the leaf jonins and even about kurunai and iruka.? in the pain invasion you see chunins and jonins using something as basic as fire style jutsus. in the orochimaru invasion we see jonin fight using even simpler jutsus, taijutsu and anbu only using katana and ninja stars yet they still rank pretty high up their..

my point is that feats alone DOES NOT determine rank. especially if we're talking about the reality in the naruto world. if you think otherwise than i guess were just indifferent about how we think about things. lol

also naruto and sasuke are genins but their the two main characters in the show, i know that you know thats why there uber duber strong.

Nyruss
08-16-2010, 11:10 PM
Kimimaro wasn't formally associated with any village, so he wouldn't have a rank.

Kimimaro Kaguya
08-16-2010, 11:14 PM
mid-jonin
is my guess

FlyingThunderGod
08-16-2010, 11:22 PM
I think he is strong enough to take out a jonins. He has the skills and knowledge too. He is on high Jonin level. (My opinion please do not try to debate)

Vivi
08-17-2010, 01:56 AM
He was more or less Immortal.

I hope this is a Joke as well otherwise someone needs to look up Immortality.

And Dudemeister is correct.
Although the only thing that can be argued is him being with Otogakure but I presume it could be counted more as Affiliated (Or Associate) than a real Member.

lolohwd
08-17-2010, 02:40 AM
high jonin in his prime low jonin due to sickness.
whats up with sicknesses of great shinobi
itachi kimmimaro and they both died for sasuke

JCTKNE4E
08-17-2010, 02:47 AM
Because they still needed to be finished off by the plot, after being created to be OP'd.

Shikamaru Nara
08-17-2010, 06:39 AM
Most likely Mid to High Jonin.

He was able to take out (In theory) Gaara and Lee, and Naruto. He would easily stomp somebody like Izumo or Kotetsu, and may be in par with base Gai.

Ultimate combatant
08-17-2010, 10:37 AM
If Kakashi is elite jounin, than he is no more than low or mid jounin

Shikamaru Nara
08-17-2010, 10:57 AM
If Kakashi is elite jounin, than he is no more than low or mid jounin

Kakashi is casual Kage level.

Shika-fiend
08-17-2010, 05:18 PM
I'd say late Jonin. Next to Kage rank (if I want to go that far). On his deathbed he was still kicking everyone's butts. :/

The 1st Hokage
08-17-2010, 05:58 PM
Mid Jonin due to the fact that Drunk Lee = Kimmi

Miles Edgeworth
08-17-2010, 06:35 PM
The problem with the idea of ninja ranks is that it's hard to gauge and any characters without a given rank are placed subjectively by different people.

Considering the Sound 4 were supposedly Chunin level and Kimi was stronger than them, he would at least be Jonin level.

Kimi's feats are better than, say, Asuma's, although Asuma wasn't exactly the greatest in terms of feats.

I would say Kimi is around mid Jonin to higher mid Jonin, but the whole rank idea is a bit screwy so it's hard to say for sure.

colorles
08-17-2010, 07:53 PM
potentially Kimi could have been Akatsuki level, one of the stongest in the series; however the same could be said of Haku's potential

as it did with Itachi, Ninja AIDS strikes hard

Shikamaru Nara
08-18-2010, 07:06 AM
Haku? What? He's considered a slow character, and weak. He was beaten by Kyuubi Field Naruto. I think you know Kyuubi Field is weak.

HinataBG
08-18-2010, 07:41 AM
This is just my opinion, please don't hate on it, but I don't think Haku was that strong either if he was able to be taken out by Naruto when he just became a ninja. Even though he had the fox's power, it was still really weak..

Shikamaru Nara
08-18-2010, 07:43 AM
This is just my opinion, please don't hate on it, but I don't think Haku was that strong either if he was able to be taken out by Naruto when he just became a ninja. Even though he had the fox's power, it was still really weak..

It wasn't that. Because Sakura would probably just barely beat PTS Naruto, it's the fact that he was done in by the weak Kyuubi Field. Kyuubi field is considered slow, etc.

321zigzag3
08-18-2010, 07:49 AM
There is this possibility that Haku will already reach his prime faster.

Shikamaru Nara
08-18-2010, 07:50 AM
It's possible, but doubted.

321zigzag3
08-18-2010, 07:52 AM
There is also this possibility that Haku already reached his prime.


The fact is Kimmimaro is at bottom-low tier akatsuki level at best and could be Hidan at best at full power.

puppetmaster zack
08-18-2010, 07:54 AM
he was at the level of a kage he could have killed tsunade if not sick and he almost killed garra rember but he died right before cause he was super sick

321zigzag3
08-18-2010, 07:56 AM
he was at the level of a kage he could have killed tsunade if not sick and he almost killed garra rember but he died right before cause he was super sick

http://i37.tinypic.com/ehv6o.jpg

puppetmaster zack
08-18-2010, 08:00 AM
http://i37.tinypic.com/ehv6o.jpg
yeah he had great attack and defense + one of the strongest kekkie gekie in the series + curse mark = dead tsunade

Shikamaru Nara
08-18-2010, 08:01 AM
Tsunade isn't Kage level though. Actual rank is irrelavent in Naruto. Like the fact that Neji is Jonin.

321zigzag3
08-18-2010, 08:02 AM
yeah he had great attack and defense + one of the strongest kekkie gekie in the series + curse mark = dead tsunade

Thats not my biggest concern.

You called Kimimaro Kage Level. Do you know what you are saying?

Tsunade feat wise doesn't have kage offensive abilities yet.
Except Katsuya and strength.

puppetmaster zack
08-18-2010, 08:06 AM
Thats not my biggest concern.

You called Kimimaro Kage Level. Do you know what you are saying?

Tsunade feat wise doesn't have kage offensive abilities yet.
Except Katsuya and strength.
yes i know what i am saying he almost killed garra who is a kage and it seems he hasnt got leveled up sense then and if he wasnt sick he could be 10x stronger so yes i am saying he has kage level stregth and he could kill tsunade and garra

321zigzag3
08-18-2010, 08:08 AM
yes i know what i am saying he almost killed garra who is a kage and it seems he hasnt got leveled up sense then and if he wasnt sick he could be 10x stronger so yes i am saying he has kage level stregth and he could kill tsunade and garra

Part 1 Gaara is a Kage?

http://i37.tinypic.com/ehv6o.jpg

puppetmaster zack
08-18-2010, 08:10 AM
Part 1 Gaara is a Kage?

http://i37.tinypic.com/ehv6o.jpg
i am talking about now and sense then he has gotten weaker having shikaku removed and he hasnt got no new moves and he is still a kage so he can kill him non-kage and kage

321zigzag3
08-18-2010, 08:16 AM
i am talking about now and sense then he has gotten weaker having shikaku removed and he hasnt got no new moves and he is still a kage so he can kill him non-kage and kage

Part 2 Gaara did become kazekage with Shukaku.


Part 1 Gaara is not Part 2 Gaara.

puppetmaster zack
08-18-2010, 08:21 AM
Part 2 Gaara did become kazekage with Shukaku.


Part 1 Gaara is not Part 2 Gaara.
yes he did and kimmimaro could beat both

321zigzag3
08-18-2010, 08:23 AM
yes he did and kimmimaro could beat both
Again Part 1 Gaara and Part 2 Gaara is a 3 year difference.

We saw from Deidara vs Gaara that Gaara has drastically improved.


If Kimimaro is Kage Level you are saying he can take on mid to high tier akatsuki and sannin level and Raikage and Minato for example.

If you are so adamant make a thread.

puppetmaster zack
08-18-2010, 10:16 AM
Again Part 1 Gaara and Part 2 Gaara is a 3 year difference.

We saw from Deidara vs Gaara that Gaara has drastically improved.


If Kimimaro is Kage Level you are saying he can take on mid to high tier akatsuki and sannin level and Raikage and Minato for example.

If you are so adamant make a thread.
i will he could be smooe of the akatski 3 of them are at the level of a tailed beast

The Anti-Existence
08-18-2010, 04:20 PM
Tsunade isn't Kage level though. Actual rank is irrelavent in Naruto. Like the fact that Neji is Jonin.

How is Tsunade not Kage level?

Kakashi, the elitest of the Elite Jonin, would lose to her.

She'd also beat Hidan, another Elite Jonin level ninja.

She's Low Kage level definitely but not being Kage level at all is just ridiculous IMO.

Shikamaru Nara
08-18-2010, 04:27 PM
Kakashi rapes Tsunade.

Chidori: Kakashi forms lightning chakra into his hand and stabs it through an opponent's body.

Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique: Kakashi creates a genjutsu that uses imaginary leaves to surround the opponent. An illusion will then be used on the opponent, causing mindrape

Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique: Kakashi will hide underground and drag the opponent below the surface until only their head is above ground, trapping them and leaving them completely immobile.

Earth Release: Earth Style Wall: A wall of earth will appear; it can be used to block an attack or to trap an opponent.

Earth Release: Underground Projection Fish Technique: Kakashi can utilize earth chakra to merge with the ground and to hide in it until he decides to strike the opponent.

Eight Gates: Kakashi has shown the ability to open the first gate.

Kamui: Using his Mangekyo Sharingan, Kakashi transports an opponent into a separate dimension. While it was originally slow and inaccurate, Kakashi was able to use this on Asura's missiles and later two of Sasuke's Susanoo arrows, showing huge improvement in the usage of this technique. Kakashi's most powerful technique (not destructively but in the fact he can warp pretty much anybody he can react to).

Lightning Blade: A more powerful, concentrated version of the Chidori.

Lightning Hound: Kakashi forms lightning chakra into the shape of a hound, directing its movements.

Lightning Style Shadow Clone: Kakashi makes a replica of himself using lightning chakra. It is the same as any other shadow clone, except it will electrocute whatever it touches when disappearing.

Multiple Shadow Clone Technique: Same as Shadow Clone Technique, but with many more clones.

One Thousand Years of Death: Kakashi sticks his middle and index fingers up the opponent's butt. Though the attack seems comical at first, it can actually be used to find an opponent's blind spot and can create a powerful combo if used with other moves.

Rasengan: Kakashi creates a ball of chakra in his hand that he can hit an opponent with, capable of doing significant amounts of internal damage.

Shadow Clone Technique: Can create replicas of himself to assist him in battle.

Sharingan: This is normally a bloodline limit jutsu, but in this case it is not. Can copy opponents' techniques, as long as it's not another kekkei genkai.

Silent Homicide Technique: Kakashi can quietly maneuver around his opponent and assassinate them.

Summoning Technique: Kakashi can summon ninja dogs to help him in battle or to track a scent.

Summoning Technique: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique: Kakashi marks an opponent with blood and then smears it over a scroll, summoning his ninja dogs. They then track the scent of the blood and attack the opponent, immobilizing him and allowing Kakashi to follow up with a move such as Lightning Blade.

Water Clone Technique: Kakashi makes a shadow clone formed with water chakra with one tenth of his power.

Water Release: Great Waterfall Technique: Kakashi uses a jutsu that floods the area with water to attack the opponent.

Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet: Kakashi creates a dragon made out of water chakra to attack the opponent. This move is risky as it requires many hand seals, though Kakashi's hand seal mastery may allow him to use it in battle.

Water Release: Water Encampment Wall: Kakashi creates a barrier of water chakra. It is often used to block fire techniques.

Water Release: Water Shark Missile Technique: Kakashi creates a shark out of water chakra to damage the opponent.

He doesn't have any significant moves or anything like that. Kakashi's Kamui aim has increased, and according to you, Tsunade could survive that, too.

And Hidan...if she even gets close to Hidan, he slices her open, and stabs himself through the heart. Tsunade is considered lower tier compared to most characters in Naruto. I'm sorry, I don't agree with you at all. :lol:

The 1st Hokage
08-18-2010, 04:34 PM
How is Tsunade not Kage level?

Kakashi, the elitest of the Elite Jonin, would lose to her.

She'd also beat Hidan, another Elite Jonin level ninja.

She's Low Kage level definitely but not being Kage level at all is just ridiculous IMO.
lolwutfail? :shock:

Tsunade <<< Part 2 Kiba

She'd beat Kakashi? How the hell did you come to that conclusion? If we're speaking of Kakashi in his sleep, then she'd punch him, he'd wake up and Lightning Blade to the face. There is no scenario you can come up with that Tsunade beats Kakashi.

Shikamaru Nara
08-18-2010, 04:36 PM
@Firsties: I already took care of that. But I really do think she'd lose to Hidan. xD

The Anti-Existence
08-18-2010, 06:02 PM
*list of Kakashi abilities*

Great. Now how will any of that matter when Tsunade summons Ketsuya? Or against Genesis Rebirth?

And Hidan...if she even gets close to Hidan, he slices her open, and stabs himself through the heart.

Um, Hidan's voodoo isn't instant. He has to actually make his whole circle and all sorts of ;);););). It's not just "I cut you then stab myself".

And all she'd need to do to beat Hidan is....
Tsunade punches Hidan.
Hidan can enjoy being an immortal pile of broken bones.

NagatoGod_of_Pain
08-18-2010, 07:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara http://naruto.viz.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3824400#post3824400)
*list of Kakashi abilities*

Great. Now how will any of that matter when Tsunade summons Ketsuya? Or against Genesis Rebirth?

Quote:
And Hidan...if she even gets close to Hidan, he slices her open, and stabs himself through the heart.
Um, Hidan's voodoo isn't instant. He has to actually make his whole circle and all sorts of ;);););). It's not just "I cut you then stab myself".

And all she'd need to do to beat Hidan is....
Tsunade punches Hidan.
Hidan can enjoy being an immortal pile of broken bones.

How does she defend against Kamui though?

We've seen from Kabuto and I think Orochimaru that once Tsunade punches someone, they fly back some 10m at least. One punch couldn't stop Orochimaru and Kabuto from moving so why would Hidan stop? Once Hidan jumps in to attack, he gets a cut with his scythe and gets punched away. Now he has sufficient time and distance to make his ritual (which doesn't take long at all) and kills Tsunade.

Uchihas_girl
08-18-2010, 07:37 PM
Mid Jonin

LUCKY.KAKASHI
08-23-2010, 06:42 AM
well, i think their is nothing like kage ,jonin , bal bla bla levels .

they are variables

gaara is kage , but his village is weaker than konoha , so the standard is deferent .
i think orochimaru in the first part can be kage in any another village except konaha .

so the level of ninja based on deferent standard ,kakashi considered till now jonin , and hell yea he can be kage on any another country .

Kon
08-23-2010, 06:46 AM
I think he was a Chunin just like Shikamaru he was one ranked level above all the little Genin but he was strong as them and lost to them