Pain Vs. SM Naruto, Sasuke & Itachi

[Black Shuck]

Location: Where Sasuke fought Diedara

Restrictions: No EMS for Sasuke

Allowances: Manda, Naruto has full control over Kyubi and three SM clones ready to be summoned.

Other: Right side doesn't know anything about Pain's abilities. Nagato doesn't know about SM or MS.

Edit: Scenario 2: Naruto can only go up to 6 tails. Deva can't use CT unless at least 4 paths are down.

[Phoenix Wright]

Default state of mind is bloodlust.

All six paths too? If other people post I'll debate for the other paths as well.

Chibaku Tensei, GG.

[gama-sennin]

Default state of mind is bloodlust.

All six paths too? If other people post I'll debate for the other paths as well.

Chibaku Tensei, GG.

I think the OP said Naruto has full control over Kyuubi? I am not sure but it will be difficult to judge this battle. There are two guys with susanoo and one of them has Yata mirror that has shown ability to repel every jutsu. Also sasuke and Itachi are both known for their speed and jutsu skills.

This battle wont be same as the one in konoha which was filled with plot and fought almost single handed by naruto.

Also Itachi has shown the ability to call upon susanoo before the kirin even touched him. So there is no chance of any other jutsu being faster than the speed of light.

I think naruto, sasuke and Itachi combined should win this.

[Sephiroth]

SM Naruto,Sasuke and Itachi takes this one.

Sasuke and Itachi Is able to see that these bodys are controled by charkra rods. Also if Deva Tries CT he can be caught in a Genejutsu by Itachi or just Ammyed and die. Plus Naruto (as show) Can take most of them by his self. If He has full control over the 9 tails. Then this match isnt even fair for the Pains.
Itachi and Sasuke can also use Susanoo. Witch would rape the Pains.
So this match is a stomp thread in my oppinion

[gama-sennin]

I have a question regarding this one. What will happen if pain uses ST on Itachi's susanoo which has yata mirror and hence repels every jutsu used against it?

[Sephiroth]

I have a question regarding this one. What will happen if pain uses ST on Itachi's susanoo which has yata mirror and hence repels every jutsu used against it?
Pian gets hit by his own jutsu. Because Pain Can only use ST every 5 seconds.

[deidara#1]

Are you kidding? Pain gets beat in 5 minutes. To be serous people need to stop doing this Pain against the world, he is a top 10 character but is not anywhere good enough to beat 3 other top 10 characters. He said himself he was lucky to beat Jiraiya because he didn't know the secret to his power.

[Nyruss]

Pain would win if Naruto didn't have control of the Kyuubi. Chibaku Tensei.

[Sephiroth]

Pain would win if Naruto didn't have control of the Kyuubi. Chibaku Tensei.
To much prep time. Again Sasuke and Itachi will notice all teh chakra going into one body. Them bam kill him. CT is out of the question

[Kuromaki]

Wow Naruto with full control over Kyubi... He goes 9 tails and blasts the crap out of pain.

If he didn't have this then Pain would win with Chibaku Tensei as stated before.

[Nyruss]

Sucksuke and Itachi don't have what it takes to harm Deva.

[Black Shuck]

/New restrictions added.

[Nyruss]

Deva shuts off four Paths once the fight starts and uses Chibaku Tensei. gg.

[Sephiroth]

Deva shuts off four Paths once the fight starts and uses Chibaku Tensei. gg.
Itachi and Sasuke uses MS. Itachi uses Tysuki as Sasuke uses Ammy on Deva. GG

[Nyruss]

Tsukuyomi won't work on Pain because he has no reason to look them in the eye. Ghost Path blocks Amaterasu. Even in the unlikely event that Amaterasu did somehow manage to hit Deva, it wouldn't hurt him fast enough to prevent him from using Chibaku Tensei.

[Akatsuki X]

If Naruto didn't have full control of the Kyuubi, right side would be raped to hell.

Pain could win with CST.

I don't see how Yata Mirror could deflect enough crushing force to destroy all of Konoha, and unless Itachi used Tsuky on Deva Path from the start then they would all get killed instantly.

But since Nartuo does have full control, then he wins pretty easily.

[gama-sennin]

There is no way Deva can use CT against three guys at once. All of them are fast with equally high reaction speeds. This battle is a huge stomp in favor of right team.

[Akatsuki X]

There is no way Deva can use CT against three guys at once. All of them are fast with equally high reaction speeds. This battle is a huge stomp in favor of right team.

You are aware of what CT is right?

Reaction speed's mean s**t when your being sucked into a mountain busting attack which you have no knowledge of.

The only reason right side could win if Pain used CT, is if Naruto went full Kyuubi.

[Sephiroth]

Prep time again.

[Akatsuki X]

Alright, then CST, which require's close to no prep time.

I'm not saying that Pain wins, I'm simply arguing that he would win if Naruto didn't have full control.

[gama-sennin]

You are aware of what CT is right?

Reaction speed's mean s**t when your being sucked into a mountain busting attack which you have no knowledge of.

The only reason right side could win if Pain used CT, is if Naruto went full Kyuubi.

Of course I know what CT is.
But the question is against Itachi, sasuke and SM naruto spamming two FRS/clone will Deva get enough time to prep for CT. He needs to be close range with Nagato to receive more amount of chakra necessary.

Also about the attack that leveled Konoha, IIRC Deva couldn't use his powers for quite along time after that. So even if he manages to crack open Itachi's susanoo with that attack he becomes vulnerable to attacks by sasuke and Naruto. The other paths are not really a threat against SM + 2 MS.

[Nyruss]

Chibaku Tensei takes all of a few seconds to use. There's nothing Team Naruto can do to stop him.

[Blind Uchiha]

If Naruto has full control over the Kyuubi as stated then an eight tail transformation ends this.

Deva's CT hasn't shown the feats necessary to restrain KN8 Naruto, and this leaves KN8 Naruto free to trash all the paths.

[Akatsuki X]

Of course I know what CT is.
But the question is against Itachi, sasuke and SM naruto spamming two FRS/clone will Deva get enough time to prep for CT. He needs to be close range with Nagato to receive more amount of chakra necessary.

Also about the attack that leveled Konoha, IIRC Deva couldn't use his powers for quite along time after that. So even if he manages to crack open Itachi's susanoo with that attack he becomes vulnerable to attacks by sasuke and Naruto. The other paths are not really a threat against SM + 2 MS.

Prep for CT dosen't take very long.
Also, even is Naruto used FRS, unless he hit Deva, which is 1 in 6 chance, then I'm sure CT will be brought into play.

Also CST would kill Naruto and Sasuke too you know.

But none of it matters, since he has full control of the Kyuubi.

[AkatsukiMangeko Nala]

Its obvious that Pain would lose. Between Narutos Sage Mode which allows him to move twice as fast and icrease the flow of chakra for an even greater attack and ItachisSusanoo and the Sharingan abilities that both Uchihas possess it would be almos impossible for Pain to win. although If Pain uses all Six Paths In a Way to isolate all three there is a possibility that he might win. Go Tobi SEnpaaaaaiiiii`:P



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[Nyruss]

Susanoo is useless. It won't protect them from Chibaku Tensei.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Scenario 1: Naruto curbstomps with complete Kyuubi control. KN8>Chibaku Tensei, without a doubt Kyuubi can take it alone.

Scenario 2: Pain takes this since the only one who can really do anything to come close to injuring him would be KN6, and we know how that went in the manga. CST or shut down four paths for CT, GG.

[NAGATODVD]

If naruto didt have 9 tails control.... Summons distract and atack, then bombarding everywhere while deva uses chibaku tensei,amaterasu finishes of some summons but as i think sasuke has only shown genjutsu feat having to hold down his objective so genjutsu is out for him(hold human path your soul is sucked out,hold asura you blow up,hold naraka hes to heavy and summons instantly king of hell,hold deva you get repelled hold animal and you get tummy summoned like ibiki,hold preta your chakra drains out)susano is taken up with the summoner by chibaku so no question,so if naruto didnt have 9 tails, pain wins
(and in manga when naruto got 8 tails nagato even said he should make a bigger sphere so maybe he can restrail lot of power there)

[tyrell4life194]

Right side wins this. Though Pein has the CT, that attack requires prep time, and the ST can only be used once every 5 seconds. Don't forget about Sasuke's Susano'o also. It can create Arrows that are faster than sound speed, and Itachi's Susano has the Yata Mirror that can repel any attack. I don't know about the CT though, because it's a mountain range busting attack.

[Nyruss]

Chibaku Tensei requires like a few seconds of prep. Hardly any at all, so there ain't nothing Team Naruto can do to stop him.

Pain doesn't need Shinra Tensei to avoid Sasuke's arrows, he can dodge FRS and fight evenly with SM Naruto, both of which are widely considered to be supersonic(with the former being hypersonic in some calcs). Pain stomps S2. S1 not so much.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Assinate Nagato with those three it is definetly possible. Clone barrage susanoo and Itachi soul reap would all be devastating toward pain.

[NAGATODVD]

Why is everyone only taking deva path in count i mean the other 5 paths are there 2 and if preta path 4 example can absorb frs then sasukes arrows are out and sasuke actually went almost blind of using a full form susano so he would have one shot at it itachi has a better chance with amaterasu but its unknown if it can be absorbed to,and chibaku took 3 seconds to make and release in the anime so it is not a prep time jutsu
ablack chakra rods are powerfull to so pain would win if naruto didnt have 9 tail control

[Nyruss]

Sasuke was able to use Susanoo in his fight with Danzo for at least 10 minutes in memory serves. He's got more than enough stamina to see him through this battle one way or the other.

[tyrell4life194]

Chibaku Tensei requires like a few seconds of prep. Hardly any at all, so there ain't nothing Team Naruto can do to stop him.

Pain doesn't need Shinra Tensei to avoid Sasuke's arrows, he can dodge FRS and fight evenly with SM Naruto, both of which are widely considered to be supersonic(with the former being hypersonic in some calcs). Pain stomps S2. S1 not so much.
It requires prep time does it not? He can only use it when all of his 4 Paths are down and out. Otherwise, he won't be able to use it until then.

We all know he can dodge the FRS, he dodged a low hypersonic speed attack.

[Nyruss]

He's already demonstrated that he can deactive the other Paths at will.

[tyrell4life194]

He's already demonstrated that he can deactive the other Paths at will.
Good point. But Pein deactivating the other Paths at will, and the Deva Path creating the CT, would require a few seconds of prep time. Also, the Deva Path I believe has to stand perfectly still to create the CT, leaving him vulnerable for attack.

[Nyruss]

I don't suppose you'll accept that argument that Pain can create Chibaku Tensei and still have time to dodge the attacks. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/43h7r5d.gif http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

[tyrell4life194]

I don't suppose you'll accept that argument that Pain can create Chibaku Tensei and still have time to dodge the attacks. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/43h7r5d.gif http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
I never said that it was impossible, but it's kinda hard when you have to dodge Supersonic-hypersonic attacks, as well as making the Chibaku Tensei.

[Nyruss]

Undoubtedly. Pain loses S1. S2, Pain loses...call it 7-8 times outta 10.

[tyrell4life194]

But this is what I don't get. Kishimoto said on his interview that Naruto characters aren't faster than speeding bullets. He also said that if bullets were added to the Narutoverse, than all of the Naruto characters would die. Unfortunately, the manga contradicts his statement, because Pein dodged a low hypersonic attack (FRS) with ease.

[Nyruss]

I believe he actually said something along the lines of weapons technology would make ninjas pointless.

Would you rather spend a few thousand dollars to give your soldiers rifles or pay a few gajillion to maintain a village of superhumans who go on killing sprees at the drop of a hat.

The internet being what it is, this quickly (d)evolved into "Guns > ninjas" an amusing, if not entirely well founded, argument.

[tyrell4life194]

I believe he actually said something along the lines of weapons technology would make ninjas pointless.

Would you rather spend a few thousand dollars to give your soldiers rifles or pay a few gajillion to maintain a village of superhumans who go on killing sprees at the drop of a hat.

The internet being what it is, this quickly (d)evolved into "Guns > ninjas" an amusing, if not entirely well founded, argument.
Good point. I can see the reason why he didn't added guns in the Narutoverse. It wouldn't make them ninja, more like the mafia.

I'd rather spend a few thousand bucks on some weapons. At least you can conquer a village much quicker.

Yup.

[Akatsuki X]

Why was this revived?
Anyways, now that I think about it, couldn't Pain use Gedo Mazo on them to just soulsuck?

The one exception may be Naruto since he has the Kyuubi...

[NAGATODVD]

Again if naruto didnt have 9 tails they after a loooong fight would lose,i think pain used chibaku after all his pains where out in the manga like an extreme resource,nothing proves that he cannot use it during a fight with full chakra,and in videogame wise he can make a small chibaku actually(shinobi rumble)
but 9 tails power is to overwhelming for pain and a lot of chars so thnx to naruto they win

[tyrell4life194]

If Pein can just deactivate the 4 Paths, then Deva Path can use CT on them. But again, it requires a good amount of prep time.

[321zigzag3]

But this is what I don't get. Kishimoto said on his interview that Naruto characters aren't faster than speeding bullets.

He never said that and Gated Gai and Gated Lee and very arguably Raikage in shroud mode in manga confirme feats wise proves that wrong anyway.

[NAGATODVD]

Chibaku tensei in the anime was proven to be quite fast to perform it took 3 seconds for pain to put his hands together and make the little orb so it wouldnt take sooooooo much time like everybothy says

[Rasengan SageX5]

The thing is though, he(Pain) had to get enough distance between himself and Naruto to get those 3 seconds. In a fight with Naruto, Sasuke, and Itachi, Pain wouldn't have the time or chance to get enough distance. The team on the right would be all over him at every turn.

[Bacon]

This is a stomp thread. -_- Naruto with a less than perfect seal beat pain. How is he going to fair against him when he can voluntarily evoke the Kyuubi's power?

[Sheelah]

This is a stomp thread. -_- Naruto with a less than perfect seal beat pain. How is he going to fair against him when he can voluntarily evoke the Kyuubi's?


That's a very valid point, also he's familiar now with Nagato/Pain's attacks and strategies plus he now has his sage mode and his wind style attacks, even though they are limited and short lived. Things are vastly different from the last time Naruto battled Nagato/Pain. However, the outcome will most likely be the same, Kabuto may be controlling Nagato/Pain but his heart' is not in it (Nagato).

[Nyruss]

Unless otherwise specified, characters do not get prior knowledge of their opponents.

[Lady Tsunade]

CST is too slow. Naruto could rasengan his face by the time he uses it.

SM Naruto destroys any and all of the paths bar Deva. Itachi and Sasuke and hold off Deva with Susano'o. Then Naruto can join the battle. And take him out with a FRS.

[tyrell4life194]

He never said that and Gated Gai and Gated Lee and very arguably Raikage in shroud mode in manga confirme feats wise proves that wrong anyway.
What about Naruto? He's likely Supersonic ever since he speedblitzed the Asura Path.

[tyrell4life194]

Though the CT takes a few seconds of prep time, Naruto would likely reach the Deva Path and speedblitz him in a span of a second. It's whether or not the Deva Path can use the CT fast enough.

[Bacon]

I assume you are talking about Chibaku tensei? It won't work if Naruto can go 8 tails voluntarily.

[tyrell4life194]

It also depends how fast Naruto can go into Rikudou Mode. If he can do it in time, then Naruto solos this. But if not, then Pein might have enough time to use CT, if Itachi and Sasuke doesn't interfere.

[NAGATODVD]

Anyway 9 tails controled or not wins this soooo,,, right team wins

[tyrell4life194]

If Pein doesn't use the CT in time, then yes, right side wins this. If he uses the CT in time, the Pein stomps this.

[NAGATODVD]

Masashi should write one shot mangas about fights like this lol(not happening)

[321zigzag3]

What about Naruto? He's likely Supersonic ever since he speedblitzed the Asura Path.

I meant confirmed feats in actual manga that acknowledges it.

There are those who think SM Naruto can be blitzed by 6-7 Gated Gai, but at the same tiem there are those who think SM Naruto can react and keep up to a limited degree at least and even defeat Gated Gai.

So its a varied opinion there.

[tyrell4life194]

I meant confirmed feats in actual manga that acknowledges it.

There are those who think SM Naruto can be blitzed by 6-7 Gated Gai, but at the same tiem there are those who think SM Naruto can react and keep up to a limited degree at least and even defeat Gated Gai.

So its a varied opinion there.
Well, you can never be too accurate when you do calculations. Infact, when I did the calculations for the speed of the Rasenshuriken, I came up with the conclusion that it's Massively Hypersonic.

[321zigzag3]

That means you must have gone under the idea that the CT crater was over 3 kilometers in distance.

[tyrell4life194]

That means you must have gone under the idea that the CT crater was over 3 kilometers in distance.
Much more than that. I came to the conclusion that the CT crater was over 14,400 miles in distance.

[321zigzag3]

14,400 miles? No way it can be that long.

[tyrell4life194]

Well, this is what I did. Instead of taking the average of every mountain range on the planet, I took the average, of the world's largest mountain ranges. This is the reason why my calculations were probably thrown off. I was just too lazy to find the average of every friggin mountain range. If you want the calcs again, then I'll happily do them for you, but even more accurate.

[321zigzag3]

Why not just operate from the lowest possible range?

[tyrell4life194]

That probably won't work because then you wouldn't get the overall average of a mountain range. If you want to be very accurate when you find the average of a mountain range, then you need to find the length of every mountain range on the planet.

[321zigzag3]

Lowest range is safer. At least lower ranges the safer and decreases convoluted estimates.

[tyrell4life194]

Oh ok. So, when do you want me to do the calculations over?

[321zigzag3]

You can do it at your own time and expense. I mean its your choice. Its also quite possible that Kishimoto did the CT crater and FRS feats without fully thinking of the consequences so all the more reason to use lower estimates.

[tyrell4life194]

Nah, I'll do it. I don't want to make everyone assume that I'm just some Naruto fanwanker, even though I don't like the anime anymore.

[NAGATODVD]

Ammm do u think gated gai will be on the war??or fast lee?lol

[Frost ninja]

Ah pain debates...

Shall I ask this... Actually nevermind, I don't really need to but...
Lets say Tsukyomi (Spell check for the love of god xD) is popped.

Iirc all of the pains are connected via mental networking
Hence why Jirayia using a genjutsu on one affected all three
So if this is true and valid, then one Itachi genjutsu should finish off all of them at once.

GG?

[321zigzag3]

Ah pain debates...

Shall I ask this... Actually nevermind, I don't really need to but...
Lets say Tsukyomi (Spell check for the love of god xD) is popped.

Iirc all of the pains are connected via mental networking
Hence why Jirayia using a genjutsu on one affected all three
So if this is true and valid, then one Itachi genjutsu should finish off all of them at once.

GG?

Its chakra networking. Not mental.

Jiraiya's Toad Song also paralyzes the body hence why it froze the bodies I think.

Tsukiyomi involves mental torture so unless Nagato's mind is truly there which it isn't it fails.

Plus Nagato is the one looking through the 6 visions. Such as through 6 cameras. One affected doesn't mean all is affected.

They don't link up with each other.

Regardless Pain can't win this match unless he pulls a CT successfully.

[Frost ninja]

Its chakra networking. Not mental.

Jiraiya's Toad Song also paralyzes the body hence why it froze the bodies I think.

Tsukiyomi involves mental torture so unless Nagato's mind is truly there which it isn't it fails.

Plus Nagato is the one looking through the 6 visions. Such as through 6 cameras. One affected doesn't mean all is affected.

They don't link up with each other.

Regardless Pain can't win this match unless he pulls a CT successfully.

Theres no feats of paralysis in Toad song iirc, so its up for speculation. He said he put them in something to "lock their psyche" which I think means locks down their chakra network.

If it dosen't affect them all then why did all 3 get hit when only one was directly affected?

Iirc they do. Proof one being the Genjutsu spreading to two other bodies, another being that one was blinded by a kick to the eyes but could still see via the others. Hence one can link to another at choice. They avoided attacks by lookthing through each others eyes, or rather from Nagato looking through the eyes of the others.

As far as the mental torture goes, I'd think the purpose is irrelevant with genjutsu being genjutsu in its base. Its made to disturb the bodies natural chakras. Mind or not, if it has chakra going through it then one can toss a wrench in it.

To counter my own arguments:

They were in a hallway, so the sound would have channeled down and affected them all anyways.

Just because they can operate dosen't mean they are connected. Think of it like puppets... When they move and such, they are under the control of the puppet master. If you stab a puppet, the master dosen't get hurt. Thus when they get hurt, the master can still control them while looking through the eyes of another.


I agree with your last statement.

[321zigzag3]

Theres no feats of paralysis in Toad song iirc, so its up for speculation. He said he put them in something to "lock their psyche" which I think means locks down their chakra network.

Jiraiya stated himself that the genjutsu paralyzes the mind and body nerves and such.

If it dosen't affect them all then why did all 3 get hit when only one was directly affected?


Ehh....all 3 bodies were affected actually the sound hit the 3 at the same time.
Iirc they do. Proof one being the Genjutsu spreading to two other bodies, another being that one was blinded by a kick to the eyes but could still see via the others. Hence one can link to another at choice. They avoided attacks by lookthing through each others eyes, or rather from Nagato looking through the eyes of the others.


Like I said the Toad Song hit all of them. And plus sound as in ears? They still have ears although the ears only function through chakra reanimation.


As far as the mental torture goes, I'd think the purpose is irrelevant with genjutsu being genjutsu in its base. Its made to disturb the bodies natural chakras. Mind or not, if it has chakra going through it then one can toss a wrench in it.


Mental torture most likely fails since Nagato himself is there so its a waste to Tsukiyomi a body since it lacks a mind to be tortured.

[Frost ninja]

Jiraiya stated himself that the genjutsu paralyzes the mind and body nerves and such.



Ehh....all 3 bodies were affected actually the sound hit the 3 at the same time.


Like I said the Toad Song hit all of them. And plus sound as in ears? They still have ears although the ears only function through chakra reanimation.




Mental torture most likely fails since Nagato himself is there so its a waste to Tsukiyomi a body since it lacks a mind to be tortured.

Listen I'm just trying to get back in the groove. I used to be a great debater... one might call me a master debater in my prime. As far as the genjutsu goes, mental torture or not... Its Genjutsu. You use it to disrupt chakra flow. If they are all on the same chakra network, the disruption should work on all of them that are active.

[321zigzag3]

Listen I'm just trying to get back in the groove. I used to be a great debater... one might call me a master debater in my prime.

No need to tell me that. I am well aware of the last time at your best. Ever since your "disappearance" few months ago. Well you are back now so at least for now.


As far as the genjutsu goes, mental torture or not... Its Genjutsu. You use it to disrupt chakra flow. If they are all on the same chakra network, the disruption should work on all of them that are active.

Yes you can but Tsukiyomi is all about mental torture so it fails. Nagato can easily fluctuate his chakra waves to break genjutsu.

As for the Toad Song which is a very high level and it affects anyone in the vicinity would affect Pain.

But if the genjutsu is singular, affecting one doesn't necessarily mean affecting all. The effects don't cross over necessarily.

[Frost ninja]

No need to tell me that. I am well aware of the last time at your best. Ever since your "disappearance" few months ago. Well you are back now so at least for now.




Yes you can but Tsukiyomi is all about mental torture so it fails. Nagato can easily fluctuate his chakra waves to break genjutsu.

As for the Toad Song which is a very high level and it affects anyone in the vicinity would affect Pain.

But if the genjutsu is singular, affecting one doesn't necessarily mean affecting all. The effects don't cross over necessarily.


As far as it being all about mental torture, iirc on the scene where itachi forces naruto to eat the bird... Most of that was interrogation rather than torture. Hardcore ending, but the middle was just talk.

So lets sayyyyy that Itachi's genjutsu fails. Somehow the fluctuation breaks it (Though to do that for all of them makes me wonder about a backlash). Now lets say Toad song works and they are paralyzed. If they use amaterasu, or hell if amaterasu lands at all whats the counter for it?

TBH CT is the only way out and if they land amaterasu then it ends in a tie since the flames will eventually eat away at the body. After Deva dies, it makes me wonder if CT will stay. This and with naruto's controlled chakras it makes me wonder if they can't just bust out on their own. infinate burning flames vs rock, which wins?

[321zigzag3]

Well Amaterasu is mainly short ranged and more for singular target. Although it can spread. Preta Path negates it or Hell Path revives it.

Amaterasu is said to burn 7 days and 7 nights.

It also depends which body it lands and the fire is a huge tax to chakra.

[Frost ninja]

Well Amaterasu is mainly short ranged and more for singular target. Although it can spread. Preta Path negates it or Hell Path revives it.

Amaterasu is said to burn 7 days and 7 nights.

It also depends which body it lands and the fire is a huge tax to chakra.

idk about "short ranged". Iirc the sause put it on KB's horn(?) or something, and that was easily a few stories up and maybe a mile or two away in distance.

Hell path will get stomped the second it revives anyone, you know that full well. :P But with two amaterasu users, two susanoos...

that and if you count in Kishi, SM stomps all of them on his own

[NAGATODVD]

ah pain debates...

Shall i ask this... Actually nevermind, i don't really need to but...
Lets say tsukyomi (spell check for the love of god xd) is popped.

Iirc all of the pains are connected via mental networking
hence why jirayia using a genjutsu on one affected all three
so if this is true and valid, then one itachi genjutsu should finish off all of them at once.

Gg?

jiraiya only affected the 3 that were in contact wit the genjutsu,remember the other paths were already summoned at that point and they still made it out and attacked jiraiya

[321zigzag3]

idk about "short ranged". Iirc the sause put it on KB's horn(?) or something, and that was easily a few stories up and maybe a mile or two away in distance.

Hell path will get stomped the second it revives anyone, you know that full well. :P But with two amaterasu users, two susanoos...

that and if you count in Kishi, SM stomps all of them on his own

Actually SM Naruto can't win against Pain full powered all by himself. Manga shows this.

[tyrell4life194]

Yeah, SM Naruto is weaker than Pein who wasn't at full power. If Pein wanted to actually kill Naruto, and was at full power, then Naruto would've lost badly.

[NAGATODVD]

yeah, sm naruto is weaker than pein who wasn't at full power. If pein wanted to actually kill naruto, and was at full power, then naruto would've lost badly.



another thread point and i think so too

[tyrell4life194]

Yeah. I don't understand why people wank on Naruto like that. Yeah, Naruto is among the top tiers for aquiring SM, but he's still no match for Pein, regardless if he is in SM or not.

[Frost ninja]

Does no one notice I said "that and if you count in kishi"?
I'm not saying SM stomps, I'm saying with kishi interference he almost always wins.

[NAGATODVD]

does no one notice i said "that and if you count in kishi"?
I'm not saying sm stomps, i'm saying with kishi interference he almost always wins.

we aaalll know pain was just another victim of the allmighty plot no jutsu
like kakuzu and konan aaaand itachi and sadly jiraiya(not saying he woulve won just saying that his death was needed so naruto bla bla bla sage mode bla bla....)