Neji Hyuga vs Shino Aburame

[Miles Edgeworth]

Who wins?

[Sephiroth]

This would be a very close fight in my oppinion. And Neji cant spam his rotation. So i will give this to shio because his bug will over whelm neji.

[deidara330]

I think Neji would win. Although Rotation is made of chakra, and Shino's parasitic insects feed on chakra, the force of the Rotation itself would kill the bugs. Neji can't use Rotation forever, but Shino doesn't have unlimited bugs. I think Neji could simply Rotation Shino's bugs until they've all died. Shino has little to know offensive techniques aside from his bugs, so once they're all gone Neji could simply get in close and use Gentle Fist to kill Shino.

[tanduhman]

bug dome ftw... his rotations have time intervals inbetween them.. therefor some bugs get through the rotation intervals and chakra rape

[Akatsuki X]

I say Neji wins this one.
Shino's only chance is bug globe, which rotation is the perfect counter for.

If Neji used rotation to knock the bugs off and then proceeded to close the gap between them, Shino is done.

[brext360]

i like shino but neji wood blow him away remeber neji is a jonin and i dont think shino is but i might not be right but i just never herd what rank shino is.:D

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

i like shino but neji wood blow him away remeber neji is a jonin and i dont think shino is but i might not be right but i just never herd what rank shino is.:D

It doesn't matter what rank a character is. Many lower ranked characters can beat the higher-ups and even Kages.

Hmm, I'm not sure on this one. The default location being HTC, Shino doesn't have anywhere for his bugs to sneak up on Neji. However, when Neji's done using Rotation and moving in to attack, Shino can send his bugs out once more. Neji would either have to rotate or try to tank the attack, which he won't. Shino can then back off while Neji's rotating. Not sure on this one.

[Miles Edgeworth]

To be honest I'm undecided on this one as well.

At first glance, one would think Neji would win without a doubt. If Neji actually tried to directly attack Shino though, some may argue the bugs could swarm onto him from there. Bug Globe could possibly be countered by Rotation, but this is unconfirmed.

I'm going to wait for some other points in this debate, I can't decide this one.

[gama-sennin]

Neji would win this.

The only attack that can trouble neji is bug globe and it needs prep time. Also neji can sense his surroundings using byakugan, so he will be able to counter it using rotation. Again this is possible only if Neji allows shino to survive long enough to use bug globe.

[SimpleGenin]

this is tough battle but im gonna say that shino wil win this just because he can fight from afar.. and because he has chakra eating bugs

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Shino's bugs eat chakra, so Rotation would not work since they'd just nom the coat of chakra, now is Neji fast enough to get to Shino through a mass of bugs? Also 64 Palm won't work on the Bugs, and also Shino has bug Clones.

[gama-sennin]

The major deciding factor in this battle is Speed. Shinao has never shown speed enough to get away if Neji goes straight for gentle palm 64 strikes. Shino -fighting one-on-one- has never used Bug globe on his opponents, though the chakra eating bugs that he used against Kankaru are quite effective as well.

Based on speed and out-of-box offensive techniques Neji should win this, as most of his moves dont need prep time.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

He was fast enough to keep up with Puppet dood.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

If it's at close range Neji wins if not Shino wins

[skillr]

they r both pretty smart strategists. shino usualy has more than 1 thing planned wel neji has good counters for the opponents atacks. shino wouldnt send all of his bugs in at once to attack and if neji tries like drill his chakra into shino the bugs could eat it. then again neji cud push the bugs away with air palm. this wud b a really close match and either cud win.

[Reikai Hezamu]

Neji's Rotation can't be spammed and Neji doesn't have unlimited Chakra. If Shino uses Bug Globe, Neji can use Rotation to defend himself, but Shino can just send more bugs. Like I said, Neji doesn't have unlimited Chakra. Plus Shino has Bug Clones. Neji is a close range fighter. Shino easily avoids close range combat with his Bug Clones. If Shino stays at long or medium range, he can possibly win.

[DSPR7]

I'm thinking Shino, myself. Shino can easily send in bugs to attack Neji at close range, negating any threat to Shino himself. If Neji uses Rotation, I'm sure the bugs will be able to eat a little of his chakra before they're killed by the force itself. So Shino would figure this out, send in a small number of bugs each time, enough to keep Neji away but not deplete his bug count too much, and eventually Neji would run out.

Then there's this. If Shino sends a mass of bugs at Neji, some of them are going to find his blind spot. After Shino figures this out, he has a huge advantage. (If Neji has recently overcome this in some way, sorry. I'm not much of a Naruto reader anymore.)

[Lady Tsunade]

At 30m. Shino can simply spam Bug Globe. Rotation won't work. Bugs eat away at the chakra Neji uses to form it surely? Air Palm doesn't cover much area. And it seems to be quite slow. 64 palms, and gentle fist in general won't work very well against Shinos bugs. It's probably just a case of Bug Globe sucking Nejis chakra dry. Shino wins.

[ByakuganAlex]

why won't 64 palms work? if neji can hit tenketsu why can't he hit bugs? Also name a low rank that can kill a high rank with ease that has gone to the exams.

[The 1st Hokage]

Bug Globe, or Shino sends massive amounts of Bugs. If the bugs completely surround Rotation, what's Neji gonna do? He's gonna get his chakra eaten. Plain and Simple.

[Reikai Hezamu]

why won't 64 palms work? if neji can hit tenketsu why can't he hit bugs? Also name a low rank that can kill a high rank with ease that has gone to the exams.Bug Clone saves Shino from Neji's close range combat. And rank doesn't mean anything. Naruto is a Genin and can defeat many higher ranked Ninja.

[gama-sennin]

If it's at close range Neji wins if not Shino wins

This is the best solution.
In close range fight Neji has the speed and attack(64 strikes) to beat Shino. But in long rage Shino gets the time to bug spam Neji.

[Reikai Hezamu]

This is the best solution.
In close range fight Neji has the speed and attack(64 strikes) to beat Shino. But in long rage Shino gets the time to bug spam Neji.Even in close range, Shino can escape into long or medium range with Bug Clone and then attack.

[gama-sennin]

Even in close range, Shino can escape into long or medium range with Bug Clone and then attack.

In close range it all comes down to speed. Neji has shown enough speed to knock(temporarily) out a CM 1 state Kidomaru. But on the other hand Shino has not shown any such feat. With byakugan Neji will be able to track his every movement so there wont be a chance of Shino repeating what he did with Kankuro.

In long range Shino wins without doubt.

[tanduhman]

without a given distance it means that the distance is the auto distancee which is 50 meters. therefor shino wins due to having the range

[skillr]

cud neji see that the bug clones wer fake with bya- his eyes? he can tell the difference with clones but not shadow clones wich was stated when he fought naruto

[Raiku]

I would have to say Shino on this one. Shino would overwhelm Neji with his bugs even thought Neji could take out a bunch of them. It would be a close fight.

[Vivi]

why won't 64 palms work? if neji can hit tenketsu why can't he hit bugs? Also name a low rank that can kill a high rank with ease that has gone to the exams.

Considering Shino has most likely thousands to Millions of Bugs it's a high chance Neji tires out.

30 x 64 Palms means 1920 Strikes if each one is for 1 Bug.

And the amount of Shino's Bugs largely exceed that.

I suppose some might argue Konohamaru>The Majority of the ANBU if going by Feats considering how they're trashed all the time.

Heck a better example since you mentioned the exam:
Lee>Kurenai.

[ByakuganAlex]

naruto couldn't take chunin exams so he doesn't count. kurenai can get lee in genjutsu so she wins. dudes rank means something. only two i keep seeing are naruto sasuke, who didn't take the exams.

[ByakuganAlex]

by actual feats konohamaru tech. wins but scaling (tourune, yamato, kakashi, even sai) would say other wise.

[ByakuganAlex]

lastly bug clone won't work due to it being made of bugs meaning neji would see the bugs. Neji wins with higher dif. than with Asuma lol. Again i am mobile so pardon all these posts.

[Vivi]

naruto couldn't take chunin exams so he doesn't count. kurenai can get lee in genjutsu so she wins. dudes rank means something. only two i keep seeing are naruto sasuke, who didn't take the exams.

You only said Exams not which ones.

Too bad Kurenai got no Speed,Durability nor Destructive Feats.
Her only Genjutsu took its time in which lee already struck her down.

by actual feats konohamaru tech. wins but scaling (tourune, yamato, kakashi, even sai) would say other wise.

Konohamaru>The Majority of the ANBU

lastly bug clone won't work due to it being made of bugs meaning neji would see the bugs. Neji wins with higher dif. than with Asuma lol. Again i am mobile so pardon all these posts.

No proof.
It's called a Bug Clone yes.But that's like saying a Shadow Clone = a Shadow.
What proof is there that there is a sight difference between those 2.
For all we can speculate that the Shadow Clone and Bug Clone can look the same or completely different.

[coil]

I think neji is better but considering the fact that they are 50m apart, i would say Shino because his long range fighting style makes him the worst opponent for a close range fighter like Neji.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

naruto couldn't take chunin exams so he doesn't count. kurenai can get lee in genjutsu so she wins. dudes rank means something. only two i keep seeing are naruto sasuke, who didn't take the exams.

Naruto took the chunin exams along with the other Konoha 12. He couldn't just take the exam again since since it was interrupted while everyone else did. I'm sure Shino can take on Shizune and Tsunade. Heck maybe even Lee beating Asuma. Rank gives a general idea of where that person stand, but it's very possible a lower ranked character can beat a higher one.

[The 1st Hokage]

naruto couldn't take chunin exams so he doesn't count. kurenai can get lee in genjutsu so she wins. dudes rank means something. only two i keep seeing are naruto sasuke, who didn't take the exams.Naruto can't take Chuunin exams? What does that mean? Lee can blitz. Rank means nothing. Sakura is a Chuunin and Naruto is a genin. It means nothing.

lastly bug clone won't work due to it being made of bugs meaning neji would see the bugs. Neji wins with higher dif. than with Asuma lol. Again i am mobile so pardon all these posts.
Neji hits Shino because he sees the bugs, the bugs then eat Neji's chakra. It's a lose/lose situation for Neji.

[ByakuganAlex]

based on what i was told neji gooes 400mph. meaning 120 m/s......yeah we should use databooks to determine speed instead, make adjustments due to things being old on some.

[tanduhman]

except for the part where nejii hasnt shown actual feats backing that statement

[ByakuganAlex]

dude kept up with kn. they clashed so he kept up. then pnj came into play because there was no actual way he would win.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

based on what i was told neji gooes 400mph. meaning 120 m/s......yeah we should use databooks to determine speed instead, make adjustments due to things being old on some.
Databooks aren't counted here use feats.

[coil]

dude kept up with kn. they clashed so he kept up. then pnj came into play because there was no actual way he would win.
Naruto was using taijutsu and that is Neji's specialty. They are 50m apart, there is no way Neji will be able to get in close enough to even attack. The only defense he has is rotation but that even has a limit. Shino sends out at least 100 insects, holds back more then half of them, Neji uses rotation, Shino then sends the rest on him before he could use it again and it's over. With 50+insects on him Neji's chakra will be out in no more then a couple of minutes.

[ByakuganAlex]

i was stated on these forms neji goes at 400mph. that about 180m/s. if starting is 50 m . why won't neji blitz. btw I don't agree with any of these numbers, I was just told.

[ByakuganAlex]

where has is shown rotation has a waiting time.

[gama-sennin]

where has is shown rotation has a waiting time.

When naruto fought Neji in chunnin exams. Neji couldnt complete his rotation due to Naruto's speed. Which means it takes some time form the rotation.

The other alternative is Neji formed the rotation but Naruto broke it down. Which means that the rotation can be broken. But this is not acceptable to most of the Neji loyalists.

Which one will you pick?:geek:

[coil]

i was stated on these forms neji goes at 400mph. that about 180m/s. if starting is 50 m . why won't neji blitz. btw I don't agree with any of these numbers, I was just told.
That seems like a guesstimate. I wouldn't call that valid evidence unless Kishimoto said it himself.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

That seems like a guesstimate. I wouldn't call that valid evidence unless Kishimoto said it himself.
False. No one gives a damn what Kishi says.

[coil]

False. No one gives a damn what Kishi says.
Maybe not in this forum. Oh and i love that false comment you left in that rep. You deserve points for claiming i am using the data books.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Maybe not in this forum. Oh and i love that false comment you left in that rep. You deserve points for claiming i am using the data books.
If you go by Kishi's word you are. If we don't use Kishi's word on thid forums why are you here?

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Maybe not in this forum. Oh and i love that false comment you left in that rep. You deserve points for claiming i am using the data books.
If you want to see a fasse comment do this.

Scroll up to the top of the screen
Click the drop down arrow on search
Move your mouse down to "View All my Posts"
Then start reading them.

If you take Kishi's word you might as well be.

[coil]

If you go by Kishi's word you are. If we don't use Kishi's word on thid forums why are you here?
I have been debating the way everyone does her. It doesn't matter how relivant i believe Kishis word is i only use feats when i debate here.

[xigloox]

hmm? neji is faster then an insect, byakugan wont let him get surrounded or trapped

rotation isnt a bubble shield the insects can rest on and then eat. it would be equivilent of drinking water from a high power pressure washer(aka your lips would get ripped off or your throat ripped open). eating doesnt mean absorb or drain.

neji is a jonin and likely has an element or two mastered as is the norm for a jonin, if neji uses any elemental jutsu against the bugs they go down.

he can rotate/palm a path to shino ftw

he can blitz shino ftw(shino is very slow in comparison and theres no "prep time" in the OP that gives shino the time to magically have a bug clone ready, neji would see the making of any such clone and not lose track of it thanks to bykaugan.)

shino can...? nothing. spray and pray with his bugs.

neji already proved himself against a bug user whom is stronger than shino even after timeskip. shino has proven himself against....a genin and a genin kankuro(which was a draw)

rank has meaning. rank doesnt mean everything but rank has meaning. theres a reason shino is only a chunin thats beacuase SUPRISE he's at the strength level of a chunin.

and lee would not be able to beat kurenai. you forget she's konoha's best genjustu user and lee has no way to get out of one

[DSPR7]

hmm? neji is faster then an insect, byakugan wont let him get surrounded or trapped

rotation isnt a bubble shield the insects can rest on and then eat. it would be equivilent of drinking water from a high power pressure washer(aka your lips would get ripped off or your throat ripped open). eating doesnt mean absorb or drain.

neji is a jonin and likely has an element or two mastered as is the norm for a jonin, if neji uses any elemental jutsu against the bugs they go down.

he can rotate/palm a path to shino ftw

he can blitz shino ftw(shino is very slow in comparison and theres no "prep time" in the OP that gives shino the time to magically have a bug clone ready, neji would see the making of any such clone and not lose track of it thanks to bykaugan.)

shino can...? nothing. spray and pray with his bugs.

neji already proved himself against a bug user whom is stronger than shino even after timeskip. shino has proven himself against....a genin and a genin kankuro(which was a draw)

rank has meaning. rank doesnt mean everything but rank has meaning. theres a reason shino is only a chunin thats beacuase SUPRISE he's at the strength level of a chunin.

and lee would not be able to beat kurenai. you forget she's konoha's best genjustu user and lee has no way to get out of one

Bug Globe...

Neji doesn't have enough chakra to keep up with Shino's horde of bugs. If he lets even a few bugs get on him, they can start eating chakra. So he wastes chakra getting rid of them via Rotation, or they eat his chakra if he lets them through. Neji isn't fast enough to blitz Shino at the starting distance, and since Bug Globe almost caught Madara, I'm pretty sure it's gonna get Neji. And so Neji slowly starts losing chakra. Shino can always find his blind spot as well, pour bugs through there. Unless Neji's gonna waste time using Rotation for no reason whatsoever, Shino will get a few bugs through. And then Shino uses above scenario.

And Naruto is what, a genin? So Sage Mode Naruto, who beat pain, is only the level of a genin? What about Sasuke? No, they trained under legendary Sanin rather than go through the pointless exam, so they're still technically genin. Genin who beat the fudge out of most of the Kages. :/ Your logic needs more logic.

Lee blitzes Kurenai before she can put him in a genjutsu.

[Phoenix Wright]

To be honest I'm undecided on this one as well.

At first glance, one would think Neji would win without a doubt. If Neji actually tried to directly attack Shino though, some may argue the bugs could swarm onto him from there. Bug Globe could possibly be countered by Rotation, but this is unconfirmed.

I'm going to wait for some other points in this debate, I can't decide this one.
Yeah I'd think that as well but I'm not gonna say Neji wins, it's Shino, don't worry.
Bug Globe, or Shino sends massive amounts of Bugs. If the bugs completely surround Rotation, what's Neji gonna do? He's gonna get his chakra eaten. Plain and Simple.
Yeah bugs could probably eat the chakra on the rotation.
dude kept up with kn. they clashed so he kept up. then pnj came into play because there was no actual way he would win.
Okay dude, I've never had anything against you especially since you're the "noob" type and I like defending the noobs, but come on, you gotta admit there's something up, unless Neji just happens to win all of these fights, which in that case... Why does you'r name have Byakugan in it?

Like I said nothing against you, we're buddies. `:)

Wait crap *Hopes I don't get flamed* Gais! noe! I nevr evr tlkd to byakgn b4!! stahp dunt flaem mi!
hmm? neji is faster then an insect, byakugan wont let him get surrounded or trapped

rotation isnt a bubble shield the insects can rest on and then eat. it would be equivilent of drinking water from a high power pressure washer(aka your lips would get ripped off or your throat ripped open). eating doesnt mean absorb or drain.

neji is a jonin and likely has an element or two mastered as is the norm for a jonin, if neji uses any elemental jutsu against the bugs they go down.

he can rotate/palm a path to shino ftw

he can blitz shino ftw(shino is very slow in comparison and theres no "prep time" in the OP that gives shino the time to magically have a bug clone ready, neji would see the making of any such clone and not lose track of it thanks to bykaugan.)

shino can...? nothing. spray and pray with his bugs.

neji already proved himself against a bug user whom is stronger than shino even after timeskip. shino has proven himself against....a genin and a genin kankuro(which was a draw)

rank has meaning. rank doesnt mean everything but rank has meaning. theres a reason shino is only a chunin thats beacuase SUPRISE he's at the strength level of a chunin.

and lee would not be able to beat kurenai. you forget she's konoha's best genjustu user and lee has no way to get out of one
Like Shino's bugs would give a crap, why couldn't they eat rotation's chakra? They're mouths get ripped off? Cool story bro, except one bug withstood the pressure of Zaku's air blast alone and blew up his arm, and it was clear how the mechanics of his bugs work when he bug globed Madara. Heck for all we know he could strap a crapload of paper tags on his bugs that'll explode when it comes near Neji?

What speed feats exactly show Neji to be that fast anyway? Neji may be fast but in no way has he shown the speed feats allowing him to blitz Shino, he couldn't even react to a Naruto clone.

I'm gonna have to agree with Byakugan Alex (lolwut) and say that rank actually would mean something most of the time. I mean its not like they're gonna hand over the title of Jonin to someone for no reason.

[xigloox]

Bug Globe...

Neji doesn't have enough chakra to keep up with Shino's horde of bugs. If he lets even a few bugs get on him, they can start eating chakra. So he wastes chakra getting rid of them via Rotation, or they eat his chakra if he lets them through. Neji isn't fast enough to blitz Shino at the starting distance, and since Bug Globe almost caught Madara, I'm pretty sure it's gonna get Neji. And so Neji slowly starts losing chakra. Shino can always find his blind spot as well, pour bugs through there. Unless Neji's gonna waste time using Rotation for no reason whatsoever, Shino will get a few bugs through. And then Shino uses above scenario.

And Naruto is what, a genin? So Sage Mode Naruto, who beat pain, is only the level of a genin? What about Sasuke? No, they trained under legendary Sanin rather than go through the pointless exam, so they're still technically genin. Genin who beat the fudge out of most of the Kages. :/ Your logic needs more logic.

Lee blitzes Kurenai before she can put him in a genjutsu.

what canon source says neji doesnt have enough chakra to last a bug assault? thought so; shino's bugs arnt endless. i forgot you guys were arguing a fight where neji just stands there and gets swamped with bugs and when a single one lands on him he bends over. the fact shino's entire argument stems from a one trick poney move is laughable. you think a swarm of insects is going to take down a jonin? if that were the case the aburame clan would be the strongest in the naruto universe, they're not. the bug dome caught madara because shino deployed his bugs in a team formation where madara wasnt in a one on one fight with shino, thus not noticing until too late, this wont happen in a one on one fight and wont happen against a bykaugan user. furthermore madara was careless about those things since he can just warp out. i know shino fan boys say thats a huge feat but its grasping at straws

stop mentioning naruto's rank. he wasnt around to the village to rank up like everyone else was so it means nothing. plus he's the hero of the story. mentioning the exception to the rule doesnt prove your point. same goes for sasuke who isnt even part of the village and same goes for sakura although right now not so much. those are the hero and heriones of the series.

rotation > bugs
palm > bugs
neji's speed > bug's speed and shino's speed
neji's tai and ninj > shino's
(possible elemental ninj > bugs)
jonin > chunin
neji > shino

really where does it end? shino's greatest achievement in the manga is beating a fodder genin back in part 1 and tieing(and would have died) against kankuro

kurenai would simply cast a fast yet weak genjustu and lee would be done. lee is fast but he's not a speeding bullet. the genjustu we have seen from her she dissapears without the use of a hand sign leaving lee with nothing to attack.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

rotation > bugs
palm > bugs
neji's speed > bug's speed and shino's speed
neji's tai and ninj > shino's
(possible elemental ninj > bugs)
jonin > chunin
neji > shino



Before cutting others down make a good arguement.

Bugs eat the chakra in rotation.

Yes because he can hit millions of little bug, that are smaller than his fingertips.

Feat please.

Doesn't matter if they start any where 30ft+ Neji won't touch him

Neji has no Elemental Ninjutsu, you don't know what you're talking about.

By your logic

Ino>>>>>Naruto SM cause she is a Chunin.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Before cutting others down make a good arguement.

Bugs eat the chakra in rotation.

Yes because he can hit millions of little bug, that are smaller than his fingertips.

Feat please.

Doesn't matter if they start any where 30ft+ Neji won't touch him

Neji has no Elemental Ninjutsu, you don't know what you're talking about.

By your logic

Ino>>>>>Naruto SM cause she is a Chunin.
The bugs would die on impact if they even touched Rotation. Other than that, you're pretty good. =]

[ByakuganAlex]

lol
I just love when the only arguement about the ranks are Naruto or Sasuke > a ninja. Notice how those two were away from the village thus no one kage able to assess there ranking, making the Naruto or Sasuke comparison of rank irrelevant. when you use something excluding those two then comeback to me. the only thing I see that is possible is Lee vs Asuma. THATS THE ONLY CASE I SEE.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Not that it wasn't possible, Jiraiya could've been communicating with Jiraiya.

[ByakuganAlex]

Not that it wasn't possible, Jiraiya could've been communicating with Jiraiya.
ok that good that jiraiya talks to himself. but that still doesn't help the rank situation.

[Nyruss]

Rank is meaningless. If rank mattered Tsunade would be one of the strongest characters in the series instead of one of the weakest. Just because Neji is a jonin doesn't mean he's automatically superior to Shino in every way, no matter how much your Neji hardon wants it to be.

[Akatsuki X]

lol
I just love when the only arguement about the ranks are Naruto or Sasuke > a ninja. Notice how those two were away from the village thus no one kage able to assess there ranking, making the Naruto or Sasuke comparison of rank irrelevant. when you use something excluding those two then comeback to me. the only thing I see that is possible is Lee vs Asuma. THATS THE ONLY CASE I SEE.

How about
Lee vs. Tsunade
Kiba vs. Kurenai
Killerbee vs. Gaara

in all of those fight's rank means s**t.

[ByakuganAlex]

How about
Lee vs. Tsunade
Kiba vs. Kurenai
Killerbee vs. Gaara

in all of those fight's rank means s**t.
what are you saying
tsunade wins that fight. summons slug.
kurenai gets kiba in genjutsu. proceeds to kill.
killerbee could do well against gaara. KB is like the head ninja can't become kage until his brother either dies or steps down. Gaara could win. Seeing as how he block the raikage and sasuke's attacks. that match would be close.

[Kuromaki]

what are you saying
tsunade wins that fight. summons slug.
kurenai gets kiba in genjutsu. proceeds to kill.
killerbee could do well against gaara. KB is like the head ninja can't become kage until his brother either dies or steps down. Gaara could win. Seeing as how he block the raikage and sasuke's attacks. that match would be close.
Katsuyu is not the end-all for everything. Lee could easily avoid Katsuyu's acid with his speed and proceed to attack Tsunade, if she ever gets the chance to summon her. And what about Gates?

Kurenai's one genjutsu takes prep time to use, by that time Kiba would have Gatsuga'd her.

[Akatsuki X]

what are you saying
tsunade wins that fight. summons slug.
kurenai gets kiba in genjutsu. proceeds to kill.
killerbee could do well against gaara. KB is like the head ninja can't become kage until his brother either dies or steps down. Gaara could win. Seeing as how he block the raikage and sasuke's attacks. that match would be close.

My god, your wank is over 9,000 I swear.

Lee blitz's Tsunade in the first second of the fight.
Even if Tsunade managed to summon Katsuya, what is it gonna do?
Seriously?
Lee walks around it and kicks her head off.

Kiba could shred Kurenai into pieces before she can even think about using genjutsu.
Not like it would even do anything, it's only feat shown was begin casually reversed by Itachi.

HAHA.
Bee blitz's Gaara in an instant.
Or he goes Hachibi and blast's sandman into pieces.

[ByakuganAlex]

Katsuyu is not the end-all for everything. Lee could easily avoid Katsuyu's acid with his speed and proceed to attack Tsunade, if she ever gets the chance to summon her. And what about Gates?

Kurenai's one genjutsu takes prep time to use, by that time Kiba would have Gatsuga'd her.
so lee comes at tsunade punches the floor. dodges in air and gets a face full of acid. about gates is tsunade just going to stand there and let lee open those gates. don't forget about her nerve attack.

what prep? there was one panel that had asuma smile and that was it.

[ByakuganAlex]

My god, your wank is over 9,000 I swear.

Lee blitz's Tsunade in the first second of the fight.
Even if Tsunade managed to summon Katsuya, what is it gonna do?
Seriously?
Lee walks around it and kicks her head off.

Kiba could shred Kurenai into pieces before she can even think about using genjutsu.
Not like it would even do anything, it's only feat shown was begin casually reversed by Itachi.

HAHA.
Bee blitz's Gaara in an instant.
Or he goes Hachibi and blast's sandman into pieces.
i want? lol look what you wrote.
how does lee blitz in the first second....thats a super wank. where has lee shown to do that much power in a kick.

another wank for kiba.kiba was casually side stepped by tobi


and the biggest wank. is you thinking that killerbee goes full hacibi form and blasts before a second has even gone by.

[Akatsuki X]

i want? lol look what you wrote.
how does lee blitz in the first second....thats a super wank. where has lee shown to do that much power in a kick.

another wank for kiba.kiba was casually side stepped by tobi


and the biggest wank. is you thinking that killerbee goes full hacibi form and blasts before a second has even gone by.

LOL.

Lee blitz's because Tsunade has never NEVER shown the speed EVER to even compare to his.

Alright, Kiba was side-stepped by Tobi,
what reaction feats have Kurenai ever shown?

That's right, none.

And, lets see, Killerbee can lariat Gaara in less time then your brain takes to process your own wank.

[Kuromaki]

so lee comes at tsunade punches the floor. dodges in air and gets a face full of acid. about gates is tsunade just going to stand there and let lee open those gates. don't forget about her nerve attack.

what prep? there was one panel that had asuma smile and that was it.
Keep in mind that this is assuming that Katsuyu would be summoned right away.

Actually it took her a while to activate the jutsu. Asuma even said something like "Kurenai you're slow."
LOL.

Lee blitz's because Tsunade has never NEVER shown the speed EVER to even compare to his.

Alright, Kiba was side-stepped by Tobi,
what reaction feats have Kurenai ever shown?

That's right, none.

And, lets see, Killerbee can lariat Gaara in less time then your brain takes to process your own wank.
Kurenai's best is barely dodging a kunai slash from Itachi and blocking his kick with her arm.

[ByakuganAlex]

LOL.

Lee blitz's because Tsunade has never NEVER shown the speed EVER to even compare to his.

Alright, Kiba was side-stepped by Tobi,
what reaction feats have Kurenai ever shown?

That's right, none.

And, lets see, Killerbee can lariat Gaara in less time then your brain takes to process your own wank.
gaara hasn't shown that speed either does gaara get blitzed too?
dude kurenai did the genjutsu instantly. Kiba loses
so even though gaara's sand kept up with amaterasu and raikage's attack (forgot the name i think it had something to do with a guillotine) it can't keep up with kb

[Kuromaki]

gaara hasn't shown that speed either does gaara get blitzed too?
dude kurenai did the genjutsu instantly. Kiba loses
so even though gaara's sand kept up with amaterasu and raikage's attack (forgot the name i think it had something to do with a guillotine) it can't keep up with kb
Gaara has good reaction feats, so he won't get blitzed.

PnJ, cause Sasuke would've died otherwise. Also Gaara could've been watching the fight and conveniently prepared his sand to block A's kick. Regardless, Killer Bee should be able to pierce the sand with raiton or tailed forms, and if all else fails, Hachibi.

[xigloox]

wow this is a terrible forum.

lee doesnt have the strength to trade blows with tsunade nor counter her ability to heal or even fight against her ninjustsu or summons. enough said about that. guy *maybe* able to go against tsunade if its a straight tai battle. not lee.

kurenai taken out by kiba? the most laughable PoS ninja in the series? the ninja that practices pissing on people? hilarious. did kisame or itachi bash in kurenai before she had time to genjustsu itachi? no. get that ;);););) out of here. itachi, the best genjustsu user of the naruverse, able to reverse her genjustsu is another story, she successfully intiated one in a moments notice

killer bee is the perfect host and might actually be able to do gaara in but it wont be due to a lariat given gaara sand is strong enough to block a kick from raikage who is stronger than bee

[ByakuganAlex]

Keep in mind that this is assuming that Katsuyu would be summoned right away.

Actually it took her a while to activate the jutsu. Asuma even said something like "Kurenai you're slow."

Kurenai's best is barely dodging a kunai slash from Itachi and blocking his kick with her arm.
well we are also assuming lee takes off his weights right away too.
the genjutsu was activated way before that. the first part of the genjutsu was already done

[ByakuganAlex]

Gaara has good reaction feats, so he won't get blitzed.

PnJ, cause Sasuke would've died otherwise. Also Gaara could've been watching the fight and conveniently prepared his sand to block A's kick. Regardless, Killer Bee should be able to pierce the sand with raiton or tailed forms, and if all else fails, Hachibi.
the only way I see him wining is going full mode since we din't see much of the 8 tail human mode. raikage raiton didn't pierce the sand so kb won't either.

[Kuromaki]

wow this is a terrible forum.

lee doesnt have the strength to trade blows with tsunade nor counter her ability to heal or even fight against her ninjustsu or summons. enough said about that. guy *maybe* able to go against tsunade if its a straight tai battle. not lee.

kurenai taken out by kiba? the most laughable PoS ninja in the series? the ninja that practices pissing on people? hilarious. did kisame or itachi bash in kurenai before she had time to genjustsu itachi? no. get that ;);););) out of here. itachi, the best genjustsu user of the naruverse, able to reverse her genjustsu is another story, she successfully intiated one in a moments notice

killer bee is the perfect host and might actually be able to do gaara in but it wont be due to a lariat given gaara sand is strong enough to block a kick from raikage who is stronger than bee
Think about your post for a moment before dissing this place.

We debate based on feats here. And by feats, Lee has better speed than Tsunade. It doesn't matter that she's stronger if she can't hit her opponent.
well we are also assuming lee takes off his weights right away too.
the genjutsu was activated way before that. the first part of the genjutsu was already done
He doesn't need to take off his weights.

It took a while for the branches to appear though. And Kurenai's genjutsu is short range so she can't do it if they're like 50m apart which is the default distance.

[ByakuganAlex]

Think about your post for a moment before dissing this place.

We debate based on feats here. And by feats, Lee has better speed than Tsunade. It doesn't matter that she's stronger if she can't hit her opponent.

He doesn't need to take off his weights.

It took a while for the branches to appear though. And Kurenai's genjutsu is short range so she can't do it if they're like 50m apart which is the default distance.
show me a great speed feat of lee with his weights on.
where your proof kurenai can't move during the genjutsu.? also how does kiba attack then?

[xigloox]

Think about your post for a moment before dissing this place.

We debate based on feats here. And by feats, Lee has better speed than Tsunade. It doesn't matter that she's stronger if she can't hit her opponent.

He doesn't need to take off his weights.

It took a while for the branches to appear though. And Kurenai's genjutsu is short range so she can't do it if they're like 50m apart which is the default distance.

im supposed to think before i post but then you go and say kurenai's genjutsu is short range? ;););). where does it say that.

and based on feats lets see heres a few....tsunade is a sannin and the hokage. being faster doesnt mean auto win either, a single stat doesnt make up for his other downfalls. this whole argument "blitz for the win" is moronic. lee will get hit and lee will die.(of we can all pretend we live in fairy land where two people fight and your favorite is so godly he wont get touched not even once!)

[Akatsuki X]

wow this is a terrible forum.

lee doesnt have the strength to trade blows with tsunade nor counter her ability to heal or even fight against her ninjustsu or summons. enough said about that. guy *maybe* able to go against tsunade if its a straight tai battle. not lee.

kurenai taken out by kiba? the most laughable PoS ninja in the series? the ninja that practices pissing on people? hilarious. did kisame or itachi bash in kurenai before she had time to genjustsu itachi? no. get that ;);););) out of here. itachi, the best genjustsu user of the naruverse, able to reverse her genjustsu is another story, she successfully intiated one in a moments notice

killer bee is the perfect host and might actually be able to do gaara in but it wont be due to a lariat given gaara sand is strong enough to block a kick from raikage who is stronger than bee

I shall now list your mistakes.

1. Insulting the forum because of it's members.
2. Using language and flaming.
3. Wanking to the extreme.

Lee can easily curbstomp Tsunade,
he's shown better speed feats,
he's shown better strength feats,
her healing won't due any good when her head is kicked off.

Kurenai's only feat was that genjutsu, in which we never even saw an effect.
It wasn't not instant, she had to preform handseals first.
In which case, Fang-over-Fang.

Gaara blocking A's kick was due to Sasuke's massive PnJ.
KB could go into 3-tailed cloack and lolrape the hell outta Gaara.

[ByakuganAlex]

I shall now list your mistakes.

1. Insulting the forum because of it's members.
2. Using language and flaming.
3. Wanking to the extreme.

Lee can easily curbstomp Tsunade,
he's shown better speed feats,
he's shown better strength feats,
her healing won't due any good when her head is kicked off.

Kurenai's only feat was that genjutsu, in which we never even saw an effect.
It wasn't not instant, she had to preform handseals first.
In which case, Fang-over-Fang.

Gaara blocking A's kick was due to Sasuke's massive PnJ.
KB could go into 3-tailed cloack and lolrape the hell outta Gaara.
when has lee ever shown better strenght than tsunade. Now I know your wanking so hard you might go blind.

wow. kiba has to spin <.< dude its 2 hand signs

it doesn't matter, this whole story has been pnj. naruto and sasuke were to be dead long ago.

[Kuromaki]

show me a great speed feat of lee with his weights on.
where your proof kurenai can't move during the genjutsu.? also how does kiba attack then?
His fights with Gaara & Kimimaro. He also intercepted an attack from Kisame.

Did I ever say that Kurenai can't move during the genjutsu? No.
im supposed to think before i post but then you go and say kurenai's genjutsu is short range? ;););). where does it say that.

and based on feats lets see heres a few....tsunade is a sannin and the hokage. being faster doesnt mean auto win either, a single stat doesnt make up for his other downfalls. this whole argument "blitz for the win" is moronic. lee will get hit and lee will die.(of we can all pretend we live in fairy land where two people fight and your favorite is so godly he wont get touched not even once!)
It doesn't say that anywhere but if you read the Konoha Jonin vs. Itachi & Kisame fight you would see that Kurenai had to be close up to do anything.

So what if she's a Sannin? Rank doesn't mean anything, feats do.

Btw Lee isn't my favorite. He's not even in my top 10 characters
I shall now list your mistakes.

1. Insulting the forum because of it's members.
2. Using language and flaming.
3. Wanking to the extreme.

Lee can easily curbstomp Tsunade,
he's shown better speed feats,
he's shown better strength feats,
her healing won't due any good when her head is kicked off.

Kurenai's only feat was that genjutsu, in which we never even saw an effect.
It wasn't not instant, she had to preform handseals first.
In which case, Fang-over-Fang.

Gaara blocking A's kick was due to Sasuke's massive PnJ.
KB could go into 3-tailed cloack and lolrape the hell outta Gaara.
Actually Tsunade has shown better strength feats. But like I said. It won't do her any good if she can't hit the opponent.
it doesn't matter, this whole story has been pnj. naruto and sasuke were to be dead long ago.
Well... duh. There are moments when plot interferes with a fight so that a character could win or survive with help, etc.

[xigloox]

I shall now list your mistakes.

1. Insulting the forum because of it's members.
2. Using language and flaming.
3. Wanking to the extreme.

Lee can easily curbstomp Tsunade,
he's shown better speed feats,
he's shown better strength feats,
her healing won't due any good when her head is kicked off.

Kurenai's only feat was that genjutsu, in which we never even saw an effect.
It wasn't not instant, she had to preform handseals first.
In which case, Fang-over-Fang.

Gaara blocking A's kick was due to Sasuke's massive PnJ.
KB could go into 3-tailed cloack and lolrape the hell outta Gaara.

no mistakes? i didnt accidently do them, i didnt get punished for doing them. im not sure what wank means but go wank yourself

lee is faster than tsunade sure but not stronger. include/exclude whatever "evidence" you want but you have no credability in my opinion if you honestly think lee is stronger than tsunade. if lee is going in to fight he's trading blows with tsunade, its the reality of things. you cant devote your momentum to an attack and magically evade at the same time.

whats faster? akamaru and kiba transforming and then performing a wind up move or kurenai performing her instant fast genjustsu. please, kiba couldnt beat up akamaru he's not going after his teacher.

guess what gaara *did* block A's kick. it doesnt matter how he blocked it or why he blocked or wether its your OPINION it was blocked because of plot.

and yes when a forum arbitrarily takes out all the stats and known abilities of a fiction world and reduces it down to whats only seen on panels and then further taking out whatever they dont like just to prove a moronic point like a chunin who doesnt know ninjustsu or genjustsu beating a kage(go ahead and say naruto/sauske because thats all you can cling to) then yes the forum is terrible.

so peace out

[Kuromaki]

We kinda have to ignore stats cause they can be contradictory. Relying on proof from the manga isn't that bad, or otherwise we'd be debating on hype and then we can make up crap.

It depends if Tsunade can land a hit on Lee. Tell me the page number and chapter that shows that Tsunade is capable of being as fast as Lee.

So Sasuke summoning Manda, hypnotizing him, then jumping in his mouth in a few milliseconds is legit then? As well as winning his fight with Itachi, because you know, he still did it even though Itachi was sick and holding back. Or maybe Naruto beating Pain, because it still happened despite Pain holding back and being weakened at the start of the fight.

That's what you call PnJ.

Also, I suggest you stop flaming/using bad language or eventually you'll get an infraction.

[Akatsuki X]

no mistakes? i didnt accidently do them, i didnt get punished for doing them. im not sure what wank means but go wank yourself

lee is faster than tsunade sure but not stronger. include/exclude whatever "evidence" you want but you have no credability in my opinion if you honestly think lee is stronger than tsunade. if lee is going in to fight he's trading blows with tsunade, its the reality of things. you cant devote your momentum to an attack and magically evade at the same time.

whats faster? akamaru and kiba transforming and then performing a wind up move or kurenai performing her instant fast genjustsu. please, kiba couldnt beat up akamaru he's not going after his teacher.

guess what gaara *did* block A's kick. it doesnt matter how he blocked it or why he blocked or wether its your OPINION it was blocked because of plot.

and yes when a forum arbitrarily takes out all the stats and known abilities of a fiction world and reduces it down to whats only seen on panels and then further taking out whatever they dont like just to prove a moronic point like a chunin who doesnt know ninjustsu or genjustsu beating a kage(go ahead and say naruto/sauske because thats all you can cling to) then yes the forum is terrible.

so peace out

Well, I meant Lee is stronger in gates then Tsunade is, but I suppose in base your right, and you can have the proper credability for that.

That makes no difference thou, when Lee is so much faster then Tsunade that he can kill her, before she can react to his attack.

As far as I'm concerned, Kurenai's genjutsu can only be performed when she is in close range to the target.

Unless Kiba stands there and lets her use it, I doupt she can win.

Just because Gaara stopped a kick from the Raikage dosen't mean that he can stop a 3-tail cloaked Lariat from KB.

[Phoenix Wright]

Well, personally I think with the small feats Kurenai has she could probably beat Kiba. He hasn't shown anything that could get him out of genjutsu and even if he uses Double Headed Wolf or the like he'd probably just be caught in the genjutsu first. Kurenai normally already has her opponent in the genjutsu whether they know it or not, when Itachi came at Kurenai she just happened to have him in a genjutsu, and while she can react to Itachi she should be able to react to Kiba.

Also I think Lee stomps Tsunade but that's the more popular option.

To be honest though, if Kishi himself wrote Lee vs Tsunade, who would win?

Tsunade most likely. xD

[ByakuganAlex]

i don't see any speed feat in the gaara fight. lee didn't have any weights on fighting kimi. tsunade said he could continue training tomorrow so that mean he didn't have them on.

[The 1st Hokage]

wow this is a terrible forum.

lee doesnt have the strength to trade blows with tsunade nor counter her ability to heal or even fight against her ninjustsu or summons. enough said about that. guy *maybe* able to go against tsunade if its a straight tai battle. not lee.

kurenai taken out by kiba? the most laughable PoS ninja in the series? the ninja that practices pissing on people? hilarious. did kisame or itachi bash in kurenai before she had time to genjustsu itachi? no. get that ;);););) out of here. itachi, the best genjustsu user of the naruverse, able to reverse her genjustsu is another story, she successfully intiated one in a moments notice

killer bee is the perfect host and might actually be able to do gaara in but it wont be due to a lariat given gaara sand is strong enough to block a kick from raikage who is stronger than beeSomebody ban this troll!

Lee's speed outclasses Tsunade's by miles. She gets her head kicked off.

His speed is way beyond hers. Acid piss to the eyes into a fang over fang ends her.

Lee outsped the Sand in Part 1, what makes you think Bee will have any problems with that? Lightning enfused Swords kill Gaara, or he just gets his head Lariat-ed off.

Now get that wank out my house!

[ByakuganAlex]

1 lee has never kick anyones head off, hard to piss on someone when your under genjutsu, didn't know gaara hasn't improved since chunin exams <.<

[The 1st Hokage]

1. Yeah, and Tsunade has the durability of a wall, and I'm sure Lee can kick down a wall.

2. Akamaru pisses her eyes out, which releases Kiba.

3. It doesn't matter, because Bee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current Lee

[ByakuganAlex]

where's your proof. tsuade smashes buildings with ease. lee hasn't shown that. heck neji has shown a similiar feat of weightess lee. tsunade managed to get a giant blade in the air with being known.

[The 1st Hokage]

where's your proof. tsuade smashes buildings with ease. lee hasn't shown that. heck neji has shown a similiar feat of weightess lee. tsunade managed to get a giant blade in the air with being known.
Durability and strength are very different. Lee's speed simply outclasses Tsunade's. He can open gates, or wins with Kage Buyo. (Dancing Leaf Shadow)

[Phoenix Wright]

This thread has sort of gotten a bit off-topic. Not as off-topic as completely off-topic as its explaining why ranks matter/don't.

Still on-topic, Lee>Kurenai, but imo Kurenai>Kiba for the reasons I listed, and Shino>Neji.

What else fights were there?

Well Lee>Tsunade too but nothing else I don't think.

[ByakuganAlex]

lee hasn't shown the ability to move during gates 3+. 1&2 don't improve speed from the time prior to release. lee comes at tsunade, she make crator. lee trips, slug spits.

[The 1st Hokage]

Lee opens 1st gate, then frontal Lotus. Death to Tsunade!

[ByakuganAlex]

tsunade summons slug. uses mitotic? restoration. lee is exhausted, tsunade ACTUALY stomps on him or attacks his nerves, then laughs and slug does the rest

you really think tsunade can't break bandages.....

[The 1st Hokage]

tsunade summons slug. uses mitotic? restoration. lee is exhausted, tsunade ACTUALY stomps on him or attacks his nerves, then laughs and slug does the rest

you really think tsunade can't break bandages.....
Is this before or after he's kicked her head off?

[Akatsuki X]

lee hasn't shown the ability to move during gates 3+. 1&2 don't improve speed from the time prior to release. lee comes at tsunade, she make crator. lee trips, slug spits.

Lee can't move with 3+ gates open?

Lolwut??

All of them improve his speed,
lee comes at Tsunade, she makes a crater,

he jumps over it and kicks her head off.

[Phoenix Wright]

I think he means something like he didn't show movement until he went five Gates but.. Yeah >_<

[Miles Edgeworth]

I think he means something like he didn't show movement until he went five Gates but.. Yeah >_<

Actually he went to the fifth gate while attacking, unless you already knew that and were pointing out that others ignore that fact.

[ByakuganAlex]

i believe second gate is the heal gate. that doesn't improve speed. 1st gate give full control of muscles. lee was stationary for the 5th. if lee jumps he is open for slug acid.

[The 1st Hokage]

If the slug was summoned and Tsunade still had a head on her shoulders.

[Phoenix Wright]

Actually he went to the fifth gate while attacking, unless you already knew that and were pointing out that others ignore that fact.
Actually I was sort of pointing out what I thought he meant so you should be telling him, not me xD

Hence the ">_<" face.

[Miles Edgeworth]

i believe second gate is the heal gate. that doesn't improve speed. 1st gate give full control of muscles. lee was stationary for the 5th. if lee jumps he is open for slug acid.

If by stationary you mean Lee was in midair and charging at Gaara during his attack, yeah he was REALLY stationary during the fifth gate.

[Kuromaki]

If by stationary you mean Lee was in midair and charging at Gaara during his attack, yeah he was REALLY stationary during the fifth gate.
Maybe he means that Lee was stationary when activating it.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Maybe he means that Lee was stationary when activating it.

For less than a second if anything because if he's in freaking midair and charging at Gaara while charging this zomg long gate, then Gaara should not have had difficulty attacking him. What some people don't seem to understand is that Gaara would have had all the time in the world to attack Lee if it was so stationary that it could make a difference.

I just went back to my manga, while charging towards Gaara in midair he opens the gate, either it's not stationary or it's stationary for a VERY brief moment if Gaara couldn't hit him.

[DSPR7]

what canon source says neji doesnt have enough chakra to last a bug assault? thought so; shino's bugs arnt endless. i forgot you guys were arguing a fight where neji just stands there and gets swamped with bugs and when a single one lands on him he bends over. the fact shino's entire argument stems from a one trick poney move is laughable. you think a swarm of insects is going to take down a jonin? if that were the case the aburame clan would be the strongest in the naruto universe, they're not. the bug dome caught madara because shino deployed his bugs in a team formation where madara wasnt in a one on one fight with shino, thus not noticing until too late, this wont happen in a one on one fight and wont happen against a bykaugan user. furthermore madara was careless about those things since he can just warp out. i know shino fan boys say thats a huge feat but its grasping at straws

stop mentioning naruto's rank. he wasnt around to the village to rank up like everyone else was so it means nothing. plus he's the hero of the story. mentioning the exception to the rule doesnt prove your point. same goes for sasuke who isnt even part of the village and same goes for sakura although right now not so much. those are the hero and heriones of the series.

rotation > bugs
palm > bugs
neji's speed > bug's speed and shino's speed
neji's tai and ninj > shino's
(possible elemental ninj > bugs)
jonin > chunin
neji > shino

really where does it end? shino's greatest achievement in the manga is beating a fodder genin back in part 1 and tieing(and would have died) against kankuro

kurenai would simply cast a fast yet weak genjustu and lee would be done. lee is fast but he's not a speeding bullet. the genjustu we have seen from her she dissapears without the use of a hand sign leaving lee with nothing to attack.

He got tired after only a few minutes fighting his clone. And it doesn't matter; if Shino gets one bug on him he'll start losing chakra. Neji would have to either use rotation on every tiny bug, or they'll eat his chakra over time. Either way, he loses.

Bug Globe almost took down Madara, it's supposed to be inescapable. The only reason Madara (who is far superior to Neji) escaped it is because he warped space and teleported. Neji cannot, and with thousands of bugs pinning his arms and eating his chakra, he's basically incapable of Rotation. And since Bug Globe almost caught Madara, whose reflexes are far superior to Neji's, I'm pretty sure it's gonna get him. (Remember, Madara has reacted to Kiba, Naruto, Kakashi, etc. They are considered faster than Neji. Bug Globe caught Madara) Remember also, Madara has taken down a pair of high end Jonins who were working in team formation with no apparent effort. Shino catching him IS an impressive feat. And I'm not a Shino fanboy, my interest in Naruto died when Sasuke started getting so much screen time.

All Shino needs to do is get on bug on Neji, we've covered this. Either way, Neji loses chakra. And he won't be able to kill Shino that quickly. One of those bugs lasted through a blast attack from one of the Sound ninjas during the Chunin exams, and that blast was enough to blow his own arm off. Neji has not shown that kind of concentrated force before. Even if he did hit the bugs, they would have enough time to at least get a tiny bit of chakra if they died at all.

He checkmated a Sound Ninja who would have stood a chance against Neji at the time (blasted his head off) then basically beat Kankuro. He caught Madara, who escaped. With a few other members of his clan, he was taking on Pain's comrade, who did decently against Jiraiya for a few moments. Neji has... what? Lost to Naruto, barely beat the spider dude, and tied with his clone, then won by a hair. Now, who's more impressive?

And as everyone has already said, Lee blitzes Kurenai before she can finish her hand signs.

Don't insult people so early in, it's not healthy. And could you please capitalize your sentences, it's hard to find where they start and stop...

[GrandHokage14]

I guess shino would win if neji is far enough but if neji uses his rotation then shinos bugs go bye bye. But if at least some of shinos bugs get throught its lights out it would drain his chakra and he wouldnt be able to use rotation then.

[Narutofan10482]

hey don,t go picking a charater cause he is stronger just think
about all the battles that naruto went through in the past
but what have to say is this the winner goes to the ninja with a sharper mind
and good plan to break through there oponents defense so yeah`:)

[Shikamaru Nara]

hey don,t go picking a charater cause he is stronger just think
about all the battles that naruto went through in the past
but what have to say is this the winner goes to the ninja with a sharper mind
and good plan to break through there oponents defense so yeah`:)

No it doesn't. It goes to the ninja with the most feats, unless your Shikamaru who can always think of a strategy.

[Narutofan10482]

No it doesn't. It goes to the ninja with the most feats, unless your Shikamaru who can always think of a strategy.
yeah and thats what i kinda meant strategy and plans to brake through there opponents defences`:)

[DSPR7]

hey don,t go picking a charater cause he is stronger just think
about all the battles that naruto went through in the past
but what have to say is this the winner goes to the ninja with a sharper mind
and good plan to break through there oponents defense so yeah`:)

Soooo... it STILL goes to Shino? I don't see the point of your post.

Goku vs Einstein. Who's smarter? Einstein. Who wins? Goku. Smart doesn't mean unbeatable, it means smart. You've gotta have power to back it up, otherwise you're screwed.

[Infrenocat]

Neji wins hands down, it takes to much time to prepare the bug globe and by the neji would have had enough time to hit him with the 8 trigrams

[DSPR7]

Neji wins hands down, it takes to much time to prepare the bug globe and by the neji would have had enough time to hit him with the 8 trigrams

Read the other pages before you post please.

[Shino Hatake]

Bug Dome = Roation.

Bug Dome > Fist.

Bug Dome > Air Palm.

I rest my case.

[shantanu]

Shino has bug dome. Shino is a fast user of the substitution technique. His bugs can eat chakra.
Neiijis attacks are mostly made up of chakra thus giving it to shino. All neijis most powerful attacks are taijutsu and close range, to shinos long and all other range attacks.

I think shino wins a tough match.

[Abel]

Neji because all the bugs will be blocked by Rotation

[Yellow Flash]

Rotation < Amount of bugs

Neji:Ha, newb. I pwn you wit my Byakugan!

Shino: Rofl, BUG GLOBE, tard.

Neji: ROTA- Oh gawd, no! Dx

Shino: lulwutfail

[DSPR7]

How can this still be going on?

[SageoftheSixPaths]

How can this still be going on?
Neji wankers are abundant in these parts.

[tigress108]

Sad to say (as I am a major Neji fan) Shino would be a difficult match for him. My money's on Shino. Neji's Gentle Fist technique is heavily dependent on the chakra he emits from his hands to damage the enemy's internal structure. Shino's chakra parasites are something for Neji to look out for. Shino is pretty good at keeping his enemies away from him with his bugs and strategic thinking, and Neji's lack of long range would put him at a disadvantage in this fight. Besides, like everyone has been saying, Neji doesn't have unlimited chakra, and pretty much all of his tactics rely on it. If the bugs could get to him (and Shino could definitely figure out a way to get his bugs in appropriate range) then he would be an easy match for Shino.

[321zigzag3]

Neji wankers are abundant in these parts.

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Sad to say (as I am a major Neji fan) Shino would be a difficult match for him. My money's on Shino. Neji's Gentle Fist technique is heavily dependent on the chakra he emits from his hands to damage the enemy's internal structure. Shino's chakra parasites are something for Neji to look out for. Shino is pretty good at keeping his enemies away from him with his bugs and strategic thinking, and Neji's lack of long range would put him at a disadvantage in this fight. Besides, like everyone has been saying, Neji doesn't have unlimited chakra, and pretty much all of his tactics rely on it. If the bugs could get to him (and Shino could definitely figure out a way to get his bugs in appropriate range) then he would be an easy match for Shino.

Sadly yes it seems to be so. Although Shino lacks good and enough feats.