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Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:04 PM
DB are fact, 4.5= 4.5. Their speed is equal.

Begin!

Miles Edgeworth
07-26-2010, 12:06 PM
Let's suppose speed is equal.

Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susanoo, Chidori Sharp Spear, etc.

Neji has nothing to counter those.

J-Sun Tasogare
07-26-2010, 12:06 PM
He traps Neji in a Genjutsu then Cuts off his head with Chidori Spear. GG

Wooster
07-26-2010, 12:06 PM
Neji loses, but...


ROTATION WINS!!!

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:07 PM
Let's suppose speed is equal.

Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susanoo, Chidori Sharp Spear, etc.

Neji has nothing to counter those.



Amateratsu can be countered.
Chidori can be countered easily.

The other two can be prevented. :)

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:08 PM
Neji loses, but...


ROTATION WINS!!!


Quack? :)
He traps Neji in a Genjutsu then Cuts off his head with Chidori Spear. GG



Or Neji disrupts the chakra in his own brain and uses Rotation at the last second. :)

J-Sun Tasogare
07-26-2010, 12:09 PM
Quack? :)




Or Neji disrupts the chakra in his own brain and uses Rotation at the last second. :)
Has he shown the ability to do that do the DB's say he can if not he can't do it.

Miles Edgeworth
07-26-2010, 12:10 PM
Amateratsu can be countered.
Chidori can be countered easily.

The other two can be prevented. :)

Prove Amaterasu can be countered, the only one who has ever dodged it is Raikage, do you believe Neji is as fast as Raikage? Nobody else in the series has been able to replicate that feat, and without nearly that much speed he can't do much. Also, if Neji doesn't know about the jutsu, how in the world can he counter it?

Chidori Sharp Spear maybe, but that easily gives an opening for the other jutsus.

Do tell me how Tsukuyomi can be "prevented", as Neji has shown no genjutsu defense.

As for Susanoo, if Class 100 punches can't break through it, Neji isn't going to either. Also, Susanoo arrows say hi.

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:11 PM
Has he shown the ability to do that do the DB's say he can if not he can't do it.

Oh, really? Do the DB say Sasuke can beat Neji?


Nooooo... :)


Anyway, has Sasuke demonstrated to cast a Genjutsu over a Hyuga member?

This can go on forever.

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:12 PM
Prove Amaterasu can be countered, the only one who has ever dodged it is Raikage, do you believe Neji is as fast as Raikage? Nobody else in the series has been able to replicate that feat, and without nearly that much speed he can't do much. Also, if Neji doesn't know about the jutsu, how in the world can he counter it?

Chidori Sharp Spear maybe, but that easily gives an opening for the other jutsus.

Do tell me how Tsukuyomi can be "prevented", as Neji has shown no genjutsu defense.

As for Susanoo, if Class 100 punches can't break through it, Neji isn't going to either. Also, Susanoo arrows say hi.


Silly, due to their equal speed Neji can use Gentle Fist on him at any time, voiding all of those troublesome-little techniques. :)

Kuromaki
07-26-2010, 12:13 PM
Oh, really? Do the DB say Sasuke can beat Neji?


Nooooo... :)


Anyway, has Sasuke demonstrated to cast a Genjutsu over a Hyuga member?

This can go on forever.
Too bad these are hypothetical battles.

CS2 Sasuke was able to outrun Ammy for a short amount of time then got caught. Since Neji and Sasuke have equal speed here, Neji won't be able to avoid it forever either.

Neji needs to get close for Gentle Fist, and Sasuke can use Chidori Stream if he does. Then Neji gets paralyzed and Sasuke chops his head off.

J-Sun Tasogare
07-26-2010, 12:15 PM
Oh, really? Do the DB say Sasuke can beat Neji?


Nooooo... :)


Anyway, has Sasuke demonstrated to cast a Genjutsu over a Hyuga member?

This can go on forever.
Prove Byakugan helps dispell Genjutsu.

Miles Edgeworth
07-26-2010, 12:16 PM
Oh, really? Do the DB say Sasuke can beat Neji?


Nooooo... :)


Anyway, has Sasuke demonstrated to cast a Genjutsu over a Hyuga member?

This can go on forever.

Do the DB say Neji can beat Sasuke?

Give proof that the Hyugas have some sort of special fanmade ability that allows them to dispel Tsukuyomi, if you can't then Neji gets Tsukuyomi'd.

Sharingan users have demonstrated in every way possible that they are better when it comes to using and dispelling genjutsu. Kakashi got curbstomped by Tsukuyomi, so what's keeping the same from happening to Neji?

Silly, due to their equal speed Neji can use Gentle Fist on him at any time, voiding all of those troublesome-little techniques. :)

How does equal speed mean he can suddenly hit him at any time? Sharingan also gives Sasuke boosted reactions and Sasuke can easily catch him in a genjutsu before Neji can land a hit.

If you would realize, it's equal speed, not "zomg Neji is faster". Since when does Neji get the upper hand in speed? It's EQUAL speed. That means Sasuke can easily put up Susanoo before Neji can hit him.

Or are you supposing that Neji can do something that Raikage himself failed to do now?

deidara330
07-26-2010, 12:16 PM
Sasuke could use Amaterasu on Neji. Neji can't counter it with Air Palm, 64 Palms, or Gentle Fist. Rotation could hardly stop it. Sasuke could also use Tsukuyomi on Neji, Neji won't be able to get out of it. Neji has nothing to break through Susano'o and IIRC hasn't shown the speed to dodge its arrows.

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:17 PM
Too bad these are hypothetical battles.

CS2 Sasuke was able to outrun Ammy for a short amount of time then got caught. Since Neji and Sasuke have equal speed here, Neji won't be able to avoid it forever either.

Neji needs to get close for Gentle Fist, and Sasuke can use Chidori Stream if he does. Then Neji gets paralyzed and Sasuke chops his head off.

And if Sasuke get's close, it can be said that he's screwed as well, because then he'll be bombarded with Gentle Fist.

Additonally, (this being a hypothetical battle) Neji can probably disperse the Amat flames by dispersing the chakra of his Rotation(obviously assuming the Rotation was hit)


That can allow time for Neji to escape as Amat cannot be used for long.

Wooster
07-26-2010, 12:18 PM
Amateratsu can be countered.
Chidori can be countered easily.

The other two can be prevented. :)
This is actually an interesting point. Can Amateratsu be countered? Well, at least by Rotation?

It ignites whatever the user sees. Would it go right through rotation or is rotation 'something?'

I would chose the former. If you can't see chakra then Amateratsu better go right through it. Otherwise Amateratsu might as well ignite air at which point it becomes a completely useless jutsu that is 100% fatal to the user.

Miles Edgeworth
07-26-2010, 12:19 PM
And if Sasuke get's close, it can be said that he's screwed as well, because then he'll be bombarded with Gentle Fist.

Additonally, (this being a hypothetical battle) Neji can probably disperse the Amat flames by dispersing the chakra of his Rotation(obviously assuming the Rotation was hit)


That can allow time for Neji to escape as Amat cannot be used for long.

So how exactly does Neji hit Sasuke with Gentle Fist so easily? Sasuke's Sharingan grants him boosted reaction, again, so even if speed is equalized Sasuke can react to Neji's hits. Also, again, prove Neji can blitz Sasuke before he can use Susanoo. Raikage, who is much faster than Sasuke, couldn't kill him before he used Susanoo, how does Neji, even WITH equals peed?

Can you give proof of this claim? Neji has never shown that ability, nor the ability to react to Amaterasu at all.

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:20 PM
This is actually an interesting point. Can Amateratsu be countered? Well, at least by Rotation?

It ignites whatever the user sees. Would it go right through rotation or is rotation 'something?'

I would chose the former. If you can't see chakra then Amateratsu better go right through it. Otherwise Amateratsu might as well ignite air at which point it becomes a completely useless jutsu that is 100% fatal to the user.

Rotation is a translucent solid. It would be ignited, but then Neji would have a chance to disperse the chakra, doing away with the flames.

gama-sennin
07-26-2010, 12:21 PM
Even if we rule out sasuke's Tsuki(which is anyway fail compared to Itachi version) he still has Susanoo, Amaterasu both of which are quite good offensive and/or defensive techniques.

Neji may avoid chidori but there is no proof that he can avoid Amaterasu by rotation or any other way. Also when KN0 naruto broke the rotation, it was mostly due to speed and the susanoo arrow has shown quite a bit of that.

Also the thing about equal speed, Sasuke was able to go susanoo within the short time span of the Liger bomb by Raikage. So it wont be difficult for him to do the same against Neji.

Miles Edgeworth
07-26-2010, 12:21 PM
Rotation is a translucent solid. It would be ignited, but then Neji would have a chance to disperse the chakra, doing away with the flames.

This is all assuming that Neji can actually use Rotation before Amaterasu hits him, which he has never demonstrated in the slightest.

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:23 PM
Even if we rule out sasuke's Tsuki(which is anyway fail compared to Itachi version) he still has Susanoo, Amaterasu both of which are quite good offensive and/or defensive techniques.

Neji may avoid chidori but there is no proof that he can avoid Amaterasu by rotation or any other way. Also when KN0 naruto broke the rotation, it was mostly due to speed and the susanoo arrow has shown quite a bit of that.

Also the thing about equal speed, Sasuke was able to go susanoo within the short time span of the Liger bomb by Raikage. So it wont be difficult for him to do the same against Neji.


Rotation was never broken. Literally, there was a cloud of smoke, but it was never proven to be borken. And if it was, it was because Neji never spun, he only defused a lot of chakra. He never allowed it to take the form of "Rotation." AKA, it hardly even started up.


Can you explain that last point?

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:26 PM
This is all assuming that Neji can actually use Rotation before Amaterasu hits him, which he has never demonstrated in the slightest.

Actually, Neji obviously would be able to monitor Sasuke's chakra flow. He'd react according to that, giving him time to use Rotation just before the technique was deployed.

Kuromaki
07-26-2010, 12:29 PM
And if Sasuke get's close, it can be said that he's screwed as well, because then he'll be bombarded with Gentle Fist.

Additonally, (this being a hypothetical battle) Neji can probably disperse the Amat flames by dispersing the chakra of his Rotation(obviously assuming the Rotation was hit)


That can allow time for Neji to escape as Amat cannot be used for long.
Sasuke isn't screwed in the slightest, because equalized speed means he can dodge Neji's attacks and Sharingan gives him better reaction time.

I doubt those flames can be put out by Rotation. At best Ammy would probably spread to the surrounding area and not hit Neji directly, assuming that Neji can react to it and use Rotation in time.

Also prove how Neji gets past Susano'o.

gama-sennin
07-26-2010, 12:32 PM
Can you explain that last point?

I mean that Neji wont be able to use gentle fist/palm on sasuke just because their speeds are equal. Raikage is currently fastest ninja narutoverse. When Raikage dropped used Liger bomb on sasuke, he was able to negate it by using susanoo in that extremely short duration. Chapter 463 pages 3 and 4.

So, sasuke will definitely be able to call susanoo before Neji gets within touching distance.

J-Sun Tasogare
07-26-2010, 12:32 PM
Actually, Neji obviously would be able to monitor Sasuke's chakra flow. He'd react according to that, giving him time to use Rotation just before the technique was deployed.
Neji has no knowledge of Mangekyou Sharingan techniques.

Wooster
07-26-2010, 12:33 PM
Rotation is a translucent solid. It would be ignited, but then Neji would have a chance to disperse the chakra, doing away with the flames.
Really? I don't know about that. If it works as you describe I would agree, but isn't it only chakra? I have always treated it as like the rasengan, but more ordered and across the whole body.

Really this is the problem with Amateratsu. It ignites what ever the user sees, what the hell does that mean?! You can see through a translucent object; therefore, you ignite things through it. Therefore, that simple, stupid description should allow Sasuke to ignite Neji regardless.

Really, it just makes no sense. If it was a flamethrower like attack, we could understand how it works. As it is, it's an impasse. We have no way of knowing.

I could still say Sasuke if Susano'o was unbreakable, but we know that's not true. Danzo broke through it after all. Can Neji replicate that? Maybe. Again an impasse.

I think Amaretsu will go right through Rotation, so Sasuke wins. Since there is no way to really know, this fight is anyone's guess.

Miles Edgeworth
07-26-2010, 12:33 PM
Also, Neji's only method of hurting Sasuke is through taijutsu. Sasuke can EASILY use Chidori Stream, paralyzing Neji and allowing Sasuke an opening for attack.

Or is Neji now immune to lightning techniques?

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:35 PM
Sasuke isn't screwed in the slightest, because equalized speed means he can dodge Neji's attacks and Sharingan gives him better reaction time.

At best Ammy would probably spread to the surrounding area and not hit Neji directly, assuming that Neji can react to it and use Rotation in time.

Also prove how Neji gets past Susano'o.


He prevents Susano'o by striking Sasuke with the Genlte Fist, which Sasuke technically can't dodge, considering it was proven to have full affect on an opponent if if it misses entirely in the Neji vs Hinata manga chapter.

Additionally, considering Neji's a speed demon with his Gentle Fist techniques, I doubt Sasuke would be able to dodge. Yes, they're standard speed (4.5) is equal, but just like Sasuke's reaction time is increased due to his Sharingan; Neji's speed is increased upon activation of 64 Palms or whatever.

Kuromaki
07-26-2010, 12:37 PM
Really? I don't know about that. If it works as you describe I would agree, but isn't it only chakra? I have always treated it as like the rasengan, but more ordered and across the whole body.

Really this is the problem with Amateratsu. It ignites what ever the user sees, what the hell does that mean?! You can see through a translucent object; therefore, you ignite things through it. Therefore, that simple, stupid description should allow Sasuke to ignite Neji regardless.

Really, it just makes no sense. If it was a flamethrower like attack, we could understand how it works. As it is, it's an impasse. We have no way of knowing.

I could still say Sasuke if Susano'o was unbreakable, but we know that's not true. Danzo broke through it after all. Can Neji replicate that? Maybe. Again an impasse.

I think Amaretsu will go right through Rotation, so Sasuke wins. Since there is no way to really know, this fight is anyone's guess.
Ammy isn't instant. That's why both Raikage and CS2 Sasuke were able to avoid it. Although, if it did go through Rotation, Neji gets fried.

Neji hasn't shown the power to break Susano'o.
He prevents Susano'o by striking Sasuke with the Genlte Fist, which Sasuke technically can't dodge, considering it was proven to have full affect on an opponent if if it misses entirely in the Neji vs Hinata manga chapter.

Additionally, considering Neji's a speed demon with his Gentle Fist techniques, I doubt Sasuke would be able to dodge. Yes, they're standard speed (4.5) is equal, but just like Sasuke's reaction time is increased due to his Sharingan; Neji's speed is increased upon activation of 64 Palms or whatever.
Neji is in no way blitzing Sasuke, or getting to strike Sasuke fast enough to stop Sasuke from activating Susano'o.

Neji was able to strike Hinata several times actually.

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:39 PM
Also, Neji's only method of hurting Sasuke is through taijutsu. Sasuke can EASILY use Chidori Stream, paralyzing Neji and allowing Sasuke an opening for attack.

Or is Neji now immune to lightning techniques?

Neji is not immune to lightning techniques, but it was proven a long time ago that he has the ability to dissect elemental ninjutsu.
Neji's Empty Palm can easily injure Sasuke if it takes a direct hit.


Even if Neji was paralyzed, he can still null Sasuke's attack with an intense release of chakra. Proof of this is when Naruto attacked him directly.
He barely moved while releasing chakra, but he was still able to protect himself from serious harm.

Kuromaki
07-26-2010, 12:42 PM
Neji is not immune to lightning techniques, but it was proven a long time ago that he has the ability to dissect elemental ninjutsu.
Neji's Empty Palm can easily injure Sasuke if it takes a direct hit.


Even if Neji was paralyzed, he can still null Sasuke's attack with an intense release of chakra. Proof of this is when Naruto attacked him directly.
He barely moved while releasing chakra, but he was still able to protect himself from serious harm.
OMG A BLAST OF AIR! That would totally kill Sasuke all right!

Neji being paralyzed still gives Sasuke an opening, even if he does do whatever you said. Give me the manga chapter.

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:43 PM
Ammy isn't instant. That's why both Raikage and CS2 Sasuke were able to avoid it. Although, if it did go through Rotation, Neji gets fried.

Neji hasn't shown the power to break Susano'o.


If you shot a laser at a cup inside of a glass bowl, what would happen?

Additionally, since Neji's Rotation is chakra, the technique would not ignite Neji himself. It would slam into the Rotation, no matter how it's formed, as it cannot spontaneously spawn from nowhere. The chakra would take the hit.

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:45 PM
OMG A BLAST OF AIR! That would totally kill Sasuke all right!

Neji being paralyzed still gives Sasuke an opening, even if he does do whatever you said. Give me the manga chapter.

A blast of air capable of easily shattering rock.

It's the manga chapter when Naruto and Neji fought. I don't remember the number offhand. That should be enough.

Miles Edgeworth
07-26-2010, 12:47 PM
Neji is not immune to lightning techniques, but it was proven a long time ago that he has the ability to dissect elemental ninjutsu.
Neji's Empty Palm can easily injure Sasuke if it takes a direct hit.


Even if Neji was paralyzed, he can still null Sasuke's attack with an intense release of chakra. Proof of this is when Naruto attacked him directly.
He barely moved while releasing chakra, but he was still able to protect himself from serious harm.

When was it proven? Kidomaru's jutsu is not elemental.

Empty Palm injure Sasuke? It's going to stop him for about one second before the fight continues, and if anything it only helps Sasuke since it pushes him farther away and gives him the advantage since he has ranged attacks and Neji doesn't.

When has Neji been proven to do this? The difference between his battle with Naruto and this case is that Neji wasn't paralyzed, so he was able to save himself from getting completely curbstomped by Naruto, but if he was paralyzed, how in the world would he release enough chakra to do anything? He's paralyzed, after all.

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:50 PM
When was it proven? Kidomaru's jutsu is not elemental.

Empty Palm injure Sasuke? It's going to stop him for about one second before the fight continues, and if anything it only helps Sasuke since it pushes him farther away and gives him the advantage since he has ranged attacks and Neji doesn't.

When has Neji been proven to do this? The difference between his battle with Naruto and this case is that Neji wasn't paralyzed, so he was able to save himself from getting completely curbstomped by Naruto, but if he was paralyzed, how in the world would he release enough chakra to do anything? He's paralyzed, after all.


When Neji fought Kisame, he broke through Kisame's Water Prison. Elemental ninjutsu.

You didn't exactly understand my other point, I think. I said that even if Neji's movement was restricted, he could fend off a strong attack. No reason he couldn't here.

Wooster
07-26-2010, 12:51 PM
Ammy isn't instant. That's why both Raikage and CS2 Sasuke were able to avoid it. Although, if it did go through Rotation, Neji gets fried.

Neji hasn't shown the power to break Susano'o.

Of course, he could still try to dodge it like everyone else, but how long can he keep that up?

The interesting question is: is chakra something? I think not or air might as well be something.

No, but we can speculate from Danzo. I think it maybe possible that Neji could replicate Danzo's vacuum blade attacks strength level. Obviously, there is no way to know with certainity.

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 12:54 PM
Of course, he could still try to dodge it like everyone else, but how long can he keep that up?

The interesting question is: is chakra something? I think not or air might as well be something.

No, but we can speculate from Danzo. I think it maybe possible that Neji could replicate Danzo's vacuum blade attacks strength level. Obviously, there is no way to know with certainity.


So now you think chakra isn't tangible? You do realize Neji's Rotation is a solid, yes?
Basic knowledge. Chakra can take a variety of forms, and fend of any jutsu, as all jutsu are arisen from chakra.

Kuromaki
07-26-2010, 12:54 PM
If you shot a laser at a cup inside of a glass bowl, what would happen?

Additionally, since Neji's Rotation is chakra, the technique would not ignite Neji himself. It would slam into the Rotation, no matter how it's formed, as it cannot spontaneously spawn from nowhere. The chakra would take the hit.In my post, I wasn't exactly going against the Rotation protecting Neji from Amaterasu argument.
A blast of air capable of easily shattering rock.

It's the manga chapter when Naruto and Neji fought. I don't remember the number offhand. That should be enough.
Hakke Kusho never shattered rock. You must be thinking of Mountain Crusher, which, you know, is noncanon.
Of course, he could still try to dodge it like everyone else, but how long can he keep that up?

The interesting question is: is chakra something? I think not or air might as well be something.

No, but we can speculate from Danzo. I think it maybe possible that Neji could replicate Danzo's vacuum blade attacks strength level. Obviously, there is no way to know with certainity.
Neji with Sasuke's level of speed can only dodge it for so long until he gets caught. Chapter 390 page 4.

No feats means he can't do it.

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 01:00 PM
In my post, I wasn't exactly going against the Rotation protecting Neji from Amaterasu argument.

Hakke Kusho never shattered rock. You must be thinking of Mountain Crusher, which, you know, is noncanon.

Neji with Sasuke's level of speed can only dodge it for so long until he gets caught. Chapter 390 page 4.

No feats means he can't do it.


He was able to propel someone away from him with Empty Palm equivalent to a force that can shatter rock, as the person exploded a boulder upon impact.

Miles Edgeworth
07-26-2010, 01:00 PM
When Neji fought Kisame, he broke through Kisame's Water Prison. Elemental ninjutsu.

You didn't exactly understand my other point, I think. I said that even if Neji's movement was restricted, he could fend off a strong attack. No reason he couldn't here.

That may be the case, but Water Prison is a stationary technique with no real power to it, and adding the fact that 30% Kisame's clones aren't exactly that strong, it shouldn't have been too difficult for Neji to break out at the right time. Breaking out of a stationary jutsu and countering a jutsu that covers the body with lightning chakra are two different things. Also, Neji couldn't do it easily, he had to wait for the right time, Neji wouldn't get that same chance against Sasuke mid-fight.

Except when Neji's movement was restricted it was because he was wrapped up in something, not because his body was numb and immobile.

Wooster
07-26-2010, 01:01 PM
So now you think chakra isn't tangible? You do realize Neji's Rotation is a solid, yes?
Basic knowledge. Chakra can take a variety of forms, and fend of any jutsu, as all jutsu are arisen from chakra.
Tis energy not solid, try again. There is no indication that Rotation is anything other than pure chakra. If not, what element is it?

Air is a gas, Ameratsu does not start air on fire; thus, I still believe if Sasuke can see Neji, he can start him on fire.

Akatsuki X
07-26-2010, 01:03 PM
Neji Hyuga, stop trollin'
No way in this universe or any other could Neji ever beat Sasuke.

And I hate Sasuke.

He doesn't even need MS abilities,
I don't care if your precious, incredibly inaccurate Databooks say their speed is equal.

It's not.

Neji gets blitzed, raped,stomped, whatever.

Kuromaki
07-26-2010, 01:04 PM
He was able to propel someone away from him with Empty Palm equivalent to a force that can shatter rock, as the person exploded a boulder upon impact.
When was this? Cause in the Kisame fight, that never happened.

Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan
07-26-2010, 01:05 PM
That may be the case, but Water Prison is a stationary technique with no real power to it, and adding the fact that 30% Kisame's clones aren't exactly that strong, it shouldn't have been too difficult for Neji to break out at the right time. Breaking out of a stationary jutsu and countering a jutsu that covers the body with lightning chakra are two different things. Also, Neji couldn't do it easily, he had to wait for the right time, Neji wouldn't get that same chance against Sasuke mid-fight.

Except when Neji's movement was restricted it was because he was wrapped up in something, not because his body was numb and immobile.

Time can't really be a factor. The fact is, regardless, Neji can dispell elemental ninjutsu.


Additionally, standard body functions, such as movement, are entirely separate from the manipulation of chakra. Neji would still be able to cushion the blow. That's what I've been saying.

Miles Edgeworth
07-26-2010, 01:18 PM
Time can't really be a factor. The fact is, regardless, Neji can dispell elemental ninjutsu.


Additionally, standard body functions, such as movement, are entirely separate from the manipulation of chakra. Neji would still be able to cushion the blow. That's what I've been saying.

Actually, time is a factor, whether you accept it or not, that remains a fact. Neji was not able to break out of Water Prison instantly, so there's nothing to show that he can somehow bypass Chidori Stream. If you honestly believe that Neji can penetrate Chidori Stream instantly, then give me a feat. Supposing that somehow he could, Sasuke would not just stand there and allow Neji to kill him.

So if Neji was paralyzed and Sasuke used Amaterasu, Neji would magically survive? Also, if Neji was paralyzed, Sasuke could casually use Tsukuyomi, or better yet prepare Susanoo, which eliminates any chance of Neji winning.

SimpleGenin
07-26-2010, 03:43 PM
i think sasuke can beat neji hands down. Its just a bad match up, sasuke is an all around person.. he can fight close combat or fight from afar, neji really doest have any KILLER move that can harm sasuke significantly from a distance? neji cant combat genjutsu when his trapped, and neji cant in any way can get throught susanoo.. sasuke and neji equal speed? not even close

Vivi
07-26-2010, 03:56 PM
DB are fact, 4.5= 4.5. Their speed is equal.

Begin!

Now to utterly destroy your DB nonsense:

Haku is put at Lightspeed making it pretty obvious everyone past it would be FTL.
Funny they needed 3 Days to Suna.
At such Speed it would have to have been perhaps a Galaxy away.

Also hence how Naruto with his Clone Barrage couldnt even get to Pain in 5 seconds at the first try.

Ammy:
Hot as the Sun.
Flames erade Heat.And with such Heat the entire areas use in would have been Melted away.But wait that never happened.

Susanoo is stated at Indestructible.No limits Fallacy.

We already got 3 Points that disprove the DB.

So why do you use the DB when it's full of crap?

Allright let's play your game.
Sasuke has higher stats than Neji.Former wins.

Neji sucks in genjutsu cause He's got a 2 and Sasuke 4.That was before his Power-Up.
Tsuku and it's over.
Just need's a little Eye Contact and if you wanna make us believe he'll fight with his Eyes closed or Head down ALL the time well I can say is that you have reached a new low then for actually believing that.

Nyruss
07-26-2010, 03:58 PM
Tsukuyomi ===> Chidori to the nads.

FlyingThunderGod
07-26-2010, 04:08 PM
neji can definitely beat Sasuke. All he has to do is his palms and poke out the eyes and then close all the chakra. Neji WINS

Vivi
07-26-2010, 04:13 PM
neji can definitely beat Sasuke. All he has to do is his palms and poke out the eyes and then close all the chakra. Neji WINS

B-B-But they're equal Speed in the DB!!1! D8<

Even if the DB would be Canon that won't happen due to Equal Speed and Sharingan Haxxors.

Kuromaki
07-26-2010, 05:10 PM
neji can definitely beat Sasuke. All he has to do is his palms and poke out the eyes and then close all the chakra. Neji WINS
Neji needs to be near Sasuke to do that and getting in close range makes him an easy target for Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, or Chidori Stream. Besides, Sasuke can easily avoid Neji's poking since he has Sharingan.

NagatoGod_of_Pain
07-26-2010, 06:30 PM
Sasuke starts with Susanoo and proceeds with shooting an arrow at Neji's head. IIRC, Sasuke can now use Susanoo instantly as seen with his fight with Kakashi. If Neji gets close, Susanoo simply smacks him away with a longer reach than Neji. Air Palm won't do anything to Susanoo. Neji cannot dodge an arrow spam. If he uses Rotation, Sasuke simply waits until he's done and proceeds with shooting him.

SimpleGenin
07-26-2010, 06:42 PM
Sasuke starts with Susanoo and proceeds with shooting an arrow at Neji's head. IIRC, Sasuke can now use Susanoo instantly as seen with his fight with Kakashi. If Neji gets close, Susanoo simply smacks him away with a longer reach than Neji. Air Palm won't do anything to Susanoo. Neji cannot dodge an arrow spam. If he uses Rotation, Sasuke simply waits until he's done and proceeds with shooting him.
i strongly agree.. however i doubt rotation could stop an arrow from susanoo

FlyingThunderGod
07-26-2010, 07:52 PM
Tsukuyomi is Stoppable... doesnt matter Sasuke is a hax character to the max. Without Susano Neji would beat Sasuke. And the Hyuga has many secrets

Akatsuki X
07-26-2010, 07:56 PM
Tsukuyomi is Stoppable... doesnt matter Sasuke is a hax character to the max. Without Susano Neji would beat Sasuke. And the Hyuga has many secrets

I laugh at your debating skills.

Tsuku is only stoppable if you already have a significant gen defense, or an outside source to help you.

Sasuke is majorly hax,
doesn't mean he doesn't stomp.

Sasuke rapes even without Sasonoo.

Hyuuga clan's so called "secrets" are meaningless

SimpleGenin
07-26-2010, 07:59 PM
Tsukuyomi is Stoppable... doesnt matter Sasuke is a hax character to the max. Without Susano Neji would beat Sasuke. And the Hyuga has many secrets
yes it is stoppable.. i actually think in some ways kurunai's genjutsu is more affective.. in some ways only..
its true that hyuga has many secrets but we havent seen any of those other techniques so its really irrelevant

Miles Edgeworth
07-26-2010, 08:54 PM
neji can definitely beat Sasuke. All he has to do is his palms and poke out the eyes and then close all the chakra. Neji WINS

How does Neji beat him?

Yeah cause that worked so easily with Kidomaru and 30% Kisame, both of whom are inferior to Current Sasuke in every way. What, it didn't work easily? That's right, it didn't work easily, for one it only worked with PNJ and the other it didn't work against at all.

Tsukuyomi is Stoppable... doesnt matter Sasuke is a hax character to the max. Without Susano Neji would beat Sasuke. And the Hyuga has many secrets

Yes it is stoppable, just not by Neji.

Sasuke IS a hax character to the max. That's precisely why Neji gets curbstomped.

No, more like without Sharingan Neji beats Sasuke, and Sharingan is the only reason Sasuke is competent at all.

yes it is stoppable.. i actually think in some ways kurunai's genjutsu is more affective.. in some ways only..
its true that hyuga has many secrets but we havent seen any of those other techniques so its really irrelevant

How is Kurenai's genjutsu more effective? The one time we saw it, Itachi curbstomped her and casually reversed the genjutsu. We don't even know how good it is since it's basically featless.

Akatsuki X
07-26-2010, 09:02 PM
Miles playing on the offense,
using them aggressive tactics. `!:)

SimpleGenin
07-26-2010, 09:04 PM
well because to me Itachi is too attached to tsu, almost to the point where i thought he always activates it by staring in the eyes.. im just saying i like how kurunai did her genjutsu because their actual hand signs. same as kakashi's genjutsu.. after completing the hand sign the genjutsu takes affect.. thats what i prefer

NagatoGod_of_Pain
07-26-2010, 09:20 PM
well because to me Itachi is too attached to tsu, almost to the point where i thought he always activates it by staring in the eyes.. im just saying i like how kurunai did her genjutsu because their actual hand signs. same as kakashi's genjutsu.. after completing the hand sign the genjutsu takes affect.. thats what i prefer

Kakashi's and Kerunai's genjutsu takes much longer to use then, which won't be well suited for battle. Itachi's is almost instant, which is much more preferable. By no means is Kakashi's or Kurenai's genjutsu more effective than Itachi's. You must mean more appealing than effective.

SimpleGenin
07-26-2010, 09:29 PM
Kakashi's and Kerunai's genjutsu takes much longer to use then, which won't be well suited for battle. Itachi's is almost instant, which is much more preferable. By no means is Kakashi's or Kurenai's genjutsu more effective than Itachi's. You must mean more appealing than effective.

no actually i did mean affective... just me.. i just don like how MS genjutsu works. (itachi/sasuke's sharingan). using it is too risky considering the eye damage thing along with the chakra consumption.. normal genjutsu doesnt take long on my opinion. there was a whole filler arc of kurunai battling people using genjutsu, it didnt take long to acticate at all although slower than tsu.

Miles Edgeworth
07-26-2010, 09:31 PM
well because to me Itachi is too attached to tsu, almost to the point where i thought he always activates it by staring in the eyes.. im just saying i like how kurunai did her genjutsu because their actual hand signs. same as kakashi's genjutsu.. after completing the hand sign the genjutsu takes affect.. thats what i prefer

Itachi really only activates it by looking into the eyes, but either way it's much quicker and more powerful than genjutsu from the likes of Kurenai or Kakashi. Kurenai's genjutsu was countered by normal Sharingan Itachi IIRC and Kakashi's genjutsu downed Pre Sakura, one of the weakest characters in the series.

Well there's a difference between effective and interesting.

SimpleGenin
07-26-2010, 09:37 PM
Itachi really only activates it by looking into the eyes, but either way it's much quicker and more powerful than genjutsu from the likes of Kurenai or Kakashi. Kurenai's genjutsu was countered by normal Sharingan Itachi IIRC and Kakashi's genjutsu downed Pre Sakura, one of the weakest characters in the series.

Well there's a difference between effective and interesting.
yeah its not doubt more powerful but its costly.. what if your in a middle of a war with 100+ ninja fighting on each side, which genjutsu is more effective in this situation? it really all depends on a situation.. tsu would tire the user out while regular genjutsu can be used repeatidly.. thats why i prefer this type of genjutsu

NagatoGod_of_Pain
07-26-2010, 11:08 PM
no actually i did mean affective... just me.. i just don like how MS genjutsu works. (itachi/sasuke's sharingan). using it is too risky considering the eye damage thing along with the chakra consumption.. normal genjutsu doesnt take long on my opinion. there was a whole filler arc of kurunai battling people using genjutsu, it didnt take long to acticate at all although slower than tsu.

In the first line, it seems that you're talking about what you like and not what would actually be better for battle. Yes, the MS would damage your eyes, but not so much until one overuses it. IIRC, Amaterasu was the one giving Itachi trouble more than Tsukuyomi in terms of chakra consumption. He used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke during their fight and continued to fight for much longer.

Filler is non-canon, which means it never happened in the actual story and thus shouldn't be used in the Battlegrounds.

yeah its not doubt more powerful but its costly.. what if your in a middle of a war with 100+ ninja fighting on each side, which genjutsu is more effective in this situation? it really all depends on a situation.. tsu would tire the user out while regular genjutsu can be used repeatidly.. thats why i prefer this type of genjutsu

The thing is, most fights in the Battlegrounds are one-on-ones. It would be a mistake to use Tsukuyomi in that situation, but that's why Itachi has his weaker, but nonetheless reliable genjutsu. He can use those by pointing his finger, much quicker than making consecutive hand signs. Itachi can just use his normal genjutsu instead of using Tsukuyomi in your situation. It's as if your saying he HAS to use it.

SimpleGenin
07-26-2010, 11:35 PM
In the first line, it seems that you're talking about what you like and not what would actually be better for battle. Yes, the MS would damage your eyes, but not so much until one overuses it. IIRC, Amaterasu was the one giving Itachi trouble more than Tsukuyomi in terms of chakra consumption. He used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke during their fight and continued to fight for much longer.

Filler is non-canon, which means it never happened in the actual story and thus shouldn't be used in the Battlegrounds.



The thing is, most fights in the Battlegrounds are one-on-ones. It would be a mistake to use Tsukuyomi in that situation, but that's why Itachi has his weaker, but nonetheless reliable genjutsu. He can use those by pointing his finger, much quicker than making consecutive hand signs. Itachi can just use his normal genjutsu instead of using Tsukuyomi in your situation. It's as if your saying he HAS to use it.
tsu does take alot of chakra.. as i recalled itachi was significantly affected by its backlash when used against kakashi. i also think fillers eps counts because those episode, are approved by kishimoto himself. people cant make things up for the filler.

i was just saying id like kurunai's genjutsu more for myself vs genjutsu from eye contact.. yes theres isnt a 100 vs 100 here in the battle ground but it did happen in naruto world.. just because it doesnt happen here doesnt mean it doesnt happen in the real naruto world. i rather not limit myself..

J-Sun Tasogare
07-26-2010, 11:43 PM
tsu does take alot of chakra.. as i recalled itachi was significantly affected by its backlash when used against kakashi. i also think fillers eps counts because those episode, are approved by kishimoto himself. people cant make things up for the filler.

i was just saying id like kurunai's genjutsu more for myself vs genjutsu from eye contact.. yes theres isnt a 100 vs 100 here in the battle ground but it did happen in naruto world.. just because it doesnt happen here doesnt mean it doesnt happen in the real naruto world. i rather not limit myself..
It only takes one of them to Mind Furk someone.

Characters are considered at the "Top of their Game" unless stated otherwise, and Itachi pulled of two Tsukis in a day and an Ammy in Pre as well as many more in his fight against Sasuke.

Fillers aren't used here so it doesnt't matter if YOU think they should.

Whatever hasn't been writen in the Naruto Manga doesn't exsist.

Miles Edgeworth
07-27-2010, 01:01 AM
tsu does take alot of chakra.. as i recalled itachi was significantly affected by its backlash when used against kakashi. i also think fillers eps counts because those episode, are approved by kishimoto himself. people cant make things up for the filler.

i was just saying id like kurunai's genjutsu more for myself vs genjutsu from eye contact.. yes theres isnt a 100 vs 100 here in the battle ground but it did happen in naruto world.. just because it doesnt happen here doesnt mean it doesnt happen in the real naruto world. i rather not limit myself..

That was Part 1, later Itachi has better feats even with the disease and holding back to the extreme.

Do you have proof Kishi has approved them? Even if they somehow were "approved" by him, that doesn't prove they're canon, there are still inconsistencies.

SimpleGenin
07-27-2010, 01:39 AM
That was Part 1, later Itachi has better feats even with the disease and holding back to the extreme.

Do you have proof Kishi has approved them? Even if they somehow were "approved" by him, that doesn't prove they're canon, there are still inconsistencies.
I agree that Itachi was holding back but it doesnt take away the fact that he was tired after one use of tsu. just because itachi didnt use much feats in Part 1, it doesnt mean he wasnt capable of doing so in part one. i actually think he was stronger physically in part one because of his disease. As tobi mentioned Itachi was dying from a disease so its logical that itachi gets weaker as time passes due to his illness.

Kishimoto is the maker of naruto.. fillers being made and distributed without his approval? do you know what that means? lawsuit

J-Sun Tasogare
07-27-2010, 11:19 AM
I agree that Itachi was holding back but it doesnt take away the fact that he was tired after one use of tsu. just because itachi didnt use much feats in Part 1, it doesnt mean he wasnt capable of doing so in part one. i actually think he was stronger physically in part one because of his disease. As tobi mentioned Itachi was dying from a disease so its logical that itachi gets weaker as time passes due to his illness.

Kishimoto is the maker of naruto.. fillers being made and distributed without his approval? do you know what that means? lawsuit
Why is this about Itachi? Sasuke has WAY more stamina than Itachi.

He doesn't write them.

Vivi
07-27-2010, 12:29 PM
Tsukuyomi is Stoppable... doesnt matter Sasuke is a hax character to the max. Without Susano Neji would beat Sasuke. And the Hyuga has many secrets

Pray tell how Neji stops it.
He doesn't even have knowledge of it.

And it's indeed stoppable.Never claimed it ain't.It's just damn hard to in terms of Naruto cause all it needs is Eye Contact and it's already over.

Sasuke has WAY more stamina than Itachi.

Doubtful considering Sasuke collapsed pretty much right after Itachi who also had to deal with the Hydra and thus most likely had more to.

He doesn't write them.

Exactly.
Kishi does the Manga.The Anime is from Studio Pierrot and TV Tokyo.

Akatsuki X
07-27-2010, 12:46 PM
Why is this about Itachi? Sasuke has WAY more stamina than Itachi.


He has only shown massive stamina during the Kage Summit, which was mostly hax and PNJ.

skillr
07-27-2010, 12:50 PM
Sasuke will mangekyou or chidori neji's head off. Neji will be all like`:shock:

J-Sun Tasogare
07-27-2010, 12:58 PM
He has only shown massive stamina during the Kage Summit, which was mostly hax and PNJ.
Still doesn't matter, he still busted out more MS techniques than Itachi.

J-Sun Tasogare
07-27-2010, 01:00 PM
Pray tell how Neji stops it.
He doesn't even have knowledge of it.

And it's indeed stoppable.Never claimed it ain't.It's just damn hard to in terms of Naruto cause all it needs is Eye Contact and it's already over.



Doubtful considering Sasuke collapsed pretty much right after Itachi who also had to deal with the Hydra and thus most likely had more to.



Exactly.
Kishi does the Manga.The Anime is from Studio Pierrot and TV Tokyo.
Actually he had Susanoo up for awhile in the Danzo fight.

Akatsuki X
07-27-2010, 01:01 PM
Still doesn't matter, he still busted out more MS techniques than Itachi.

When Itachi and Sasuke fought, Itachi's stamina outlasted Sasuke's.

SimpleGenin
07-27-2010, 01:04 PM
its true that mashashi didnt make the filler episodess but he the creator of Naruto. Anything that gets distributed with the use of the characters HE made has to get approved by him.

Hyuga, Neji
07-27-2010, 01:11 PM
Hi again. :) My account was disabled. So anyway, since I was interrupted, I'll explain.

1) Neji and Sasuke are of equal speeds, as stated directly in the Databooks, which obviously count as proof considering they withhold statistical information that defines the manga, and all consist of entirely Masashi Kishimoto's ideas. Both characters' speed is 4.5 out of 5.
2) As proven several months ago, Neji has the ability to dispel elemental techniques. He broke through Kisame's Water Prison in a minimal amount of time. (He looked at the wall of the technique and disrupted its chakra.)
Regardless. 'Time' cannot be included in these debates, as some feel the artist's style of drawing does not indicate speed, while others depend on it.
This must and will be left alone for the quality of the debate.
3) Rotation, being a wall of chakra, can act as a solid against all techniques- as that world's energy is chakra. Everything contains chakra base- even the plants and animals of nature. In short, any technique will be obstructed by Rotation in some way or another. No, Rotation cannot repel every attack. But yes, and I reiterate, nothing can simply flow through it as if it was 'air.'
4) The Byakugan obviously has the ability to sense chakra. Therefore, in order to allow time for any action, a Hyuga can monitor the chakra flow in the opponent's body, before any technique is deployed.
5) One blow of the Gentle Fist can greatly disrupt the entire chakra network. Most likely, this does not mean a Hyuga can seal off an opponent's chakra in one blow. However, one blow can disable the opponent's ability to utilize chakra for certain techniques depending upon where on the body the strike landed. For example, Fire techniques can be disabled upon one strike to the chest, as all Fire techniques utilize the concentration of chakra in the throat-chest area( although one blow to the chest area from a developed Hyuga member would most likely put any opponent into cardiac-arrest, killing them within moments.)
6) Orochimaru's Curse Mark is extremely vulnerable to the Gentle Fist, which was demonstrated with the fight between Neji and Kidomaru. Neji bombarded him with the Gentle Fist, and the Curse Mark markings immediately faded, along with the short death of the ninja himself.
7) The Empty Palm is capable of serious damage if direct. The force of the chakra( chakra, not wind) causes the opponent to lose control, making them very vulnerable around obstacles(maybe even the ground) as they fly away from the user. If this is done close enough, it's safe to assume it could result in death. (Example, fracture of the neck or spine.)
8) 64 Palms is a death-guaranteed technique. Although Naruto managed to survive its effects, it can be easily assumed that was only due to the healing properties of the Kyubi's chakra. The damage to every internal organ is unimaginable.

Thanks a bunch.

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 02:06 PM
1 thing to you neji, Kidomaru survived his attack by 64 palms, he died in a later gentle fist through his throat, so 64 palms isnt deadly by itself, but sasuke, now that he has no curse mark nor orochimaru special healing power, could make it much more interesting

but anyway, to counter amaterasu, neji is very smart and has byakugan, he could know when its coming, and he could make shadow clones (lol, naruto fight nostalgia xD) and hide among them, not saying that sasuke cant tell which one is neeji, but he ignites whichever he sees, so neji could use air palms on the dirt to hide underground (in the video games, 4 air palms break through giant boulders, so a dirt tunnel would be nothing xD) that is also how i could see susano'o could be dodged, since it is huge and would look weird extremely cut off in an underground tunnel, and sasuke would have to get to him before he uses too much chakra through the susano'o
tsukoyomi could be dodged because, unlike itachi, we see no way to get hit by tsukoyomi yet except by the eyes, which neji could avoid looking at the eyes, because he 'sees' them but isnt looking at them, so he wont get caught.

now, we dont know sasukes real power at the moment, because he just got ETERANL mangekyo so there could be powers that even neji could not block, we just havent heard yet.

and also, another way to block amaterasu is to just air palm the ground at about a 45 degree angle and shoot a mound of dirt in the view of sasuke so he doesnt hit neji


sorry its so long and i apologize for any spelling errors, im typing fast and my keyboard stinks lol :P

again, not saying neji can COMPLETELY block these, he'll probbly get hit once or twice, but probably not KILLED in this fight pre-EMS... but saying he does have EMS, sasuke might win... idk since we dont know the powers yet lol

FlyingThunderGod
07-27-2010, 02:45 PM
as they say all over the battle grounds.... feats; EMS is featless and doesnt even has hype. Still im pretty sure Sasuke can beat Neji. That is Neji in his current form, because he has to have additional strength, just not mentioned yet

Miles Edgeworth
07-27-2010, 02:45 PM
Hi again. :) My account was disabled. So anyway, since I was interrupted, I'll explain.

1) Neji and Sasuke are of equal speeds, as stated directly in the Databooks, which obviously count as proof considering they withhold statistical information that defines the manga, and all consist of entirely Masashi Kishimoto's ideas. Both characters' speed is 4.5 out of 5.
2) As proven several months ago, Neji has the ability to dispel elemental techniques. He broke through Kisame's Water Prison in a minimal amount of time. (He looked at the wall of the technique and disrupted its chakra.)
Regardless. 'Time' cannot be included in these debates, as some feel the artist's style of drawing does not indicate speed, while others depend on it.
This must and will be left alone for the quality of the debate.
3) Rotation, being a wall of chakra, can act as a solid against all techniques- as that world's energy is chakra. Everything contains chakra base- even the plants and animals of nature. In short, any technique will be obstructed by Rotation in some way or another. No, Rotation cannot repel every attack. But yes, and I reiterate, nothing can simply flow through it as if it was 'air.'
4) The Byakugan obviously has the ability to sense chakra. Therefore, in order to allow time for any action, a Hyuga can monitor the chakra flow in the opponent's body, before any technique is deployed.
5) One blow of the Gentle Fist can greatly disrupt the entire chakra network. Most likely, this does not mean a Hyuga can seal off an opponent's chakra in one blow. However, one blow can disable the opponent's ability to utilize chakra for certain techniques depending upon where on the body the strike landed. For example, Fire techniques can be disabled upon one strike to the chest, as all Fire techniques utilize the concentration of chakra in the throat-chest area( although one blow to the chest area from a developed Hyuga member would most likely put any opponent into cardiac-arrest, killing them within moments.)
6) Orochimaru's Curse Mark is extremely vulnerable to the Gentle Fist, which was demonstrated with the fight between Neji and Kidomaru. Neji bombarded him with the Gentle Fist, and the Curse Mark markings immediately faded, along with the short death of the ninja himself.
7) The Empty Palm is capable of serious damage if direct. The force of the chakra( chakra, not wind) causes the opponent to lose control, making them very vulnerable around obstacles(maybe even the ground) as they fly away from the user. If this is done close enough, it's safe to assume it could result in death. (Example, fracture of the neck or spine.)
8) 64 Palms is a death-guaranteed technique. Although Naruto managed to survive its effects, it can be easily assumed that was only due to the healing properties of the Kyubi's chakra. The damage to every internal organ is unimaginable.

Thanks a bunch.

1. So now Asuma is also as fast as Sasuke, despite everything in the manga pointing to Asuma being much slower, hm? I'd say that the manga itself is much more accurate than some random books the author wrote that have nothing to back them up, like lol light speed Haku and light speed Kisame jutsus.

Here's the fact: Databooks are inaccurate. If they were correct, that would mean Jiraiya is as fast as Neji, Naruto is slower than Asuma, Yamato is faster than Hidan, Tsunade is faster than Hiruzen, etc. Now unless you want to give some actual proof here, databooks are garbage.

Even with equalized speed, Neji cannot kill Sasuke for the reasons many others have already stated.

2. By minimal amount of time, you mean Neji waited till practically the end of the battle to escape. Yeah, not gonna work so well against Sasuke. Whether you agree or not, time is a relevant factor in battle because Sasuke isn't going to sit there and allow Neji to do what he wants mid-fight.

3. Rotation cannot stop what Neji cannot react to. If this was the case, Rotation would have been the end-all solution to blocking Kidomaru's arrows.

4. That's definitely why Neji was able to completely shut down Naruto and Kidomaru in one go, right? Oh wait, he failed to do so.

5. That's assuming Neji magically has the ability to actually hit Sasuke, who has proven to be faster, has high reaction time even with equalized speed, as well as Susanoo, which he could activate before Raikage could one shot him. Raikage is LEAGUES above Neji in speed, and has proven to be superior to Sasuke in speed as well.

6. How does that prove the Curse Mark is "vulnerable" to Gentle Fist? All it proved was Neji got some lucky, PNJ induced shots on Kidomaru and managed to kill him, but ended up nearly dying right after. If not for the plot, Neji and Kidomaru would both have died, and it would be a tie. Sasuke is superior to Kidomaru in practically every way when it comes to combat.

7. That must be why 30% Kisame tanked it with little effort, despite Empty Palm supposedly being this godly technique. Empty Palm pushes the opponent back, if it was so deadly then it would do more damage. Not that it matters, Neji could never hit Sasuke with it.

8. That's why Kidomaru tanked it with such little effort, yes? Now before you bring up the chakra armor, I'll let you know that if Neji was truly so skilled he would have bypassed the armor from the start, which he utterly failed to do. Sasuke may lack this armor, but it is of no matter because if Neji is focused on charging in, he is very vulnerable to getting zapped by Chidori Stream (which is easily as effective as some random armor), getting one shotted by Chidori Sharp Spear to the head, decapitated, genjutsu'd, Amaterasu'd, whatever is most convenient for killing Neji.

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 02:47 PM
as they say all over the battle grounds.... feats; EMS is featless and doesnt even has hype. Still im pretty sure Sasuke can beat Neji. That is Neji in his current form, because he has to have additional strength, just not mentioned yet
what do you mean its featless? Madara said that his EMS has abilities neither mangekyo had...? idk what featless is but EMS sounds pretty strong

Hyuga, Neji
07-27-2010, 02:47 PM
1 thing to you neji, Kidomaru survived his attack by 64 palms, he died in a later gentle fist through his throat, so 64 palms isnt deadly by itself, but sasuke, now that he has no curse mark nor orochimaru special healing power, could make it much more interesting

but anyway, to counter amaterasu, neji is very smart and has byakugan, he could know when its coming, and he could make shadow clones (lol, naruto fight nostalgia xD) and hide among them, not saying that sasuke cant tell which one is neeji, but he ignites whichever he sees, so neji could use air palms on the dirt to hide underground (in the video games, 4 air palms break through giant boulders, so a dirt tunnel would be nothing xD) that is also how i could see susano'o could be dodged, since it is huge and would look weird extremely cut off in an underground tunnel, and sasuke would have to get to him before he uses too much chakra through the susano'o
tsukoyomi could be dodged because, unlike itachi, we see no way to get hit by tsukoyomi yet except by the eyes, which neji could avoid looking at the eyes, because he 'sees' them but isnt looking at them, so he wont get caught.

now, we dont know sasukes real power at the moment, because he just got ETERANL mangekyo so there could be powers that even neji could not block, we just havent heard yet.

and also, another way to block amaterasu is to just air palm the ground at about a 45 degree angle and shoot a mound of dirt in the view of sasuke so he doesnt hit neji


sorry its so long and i apologize for any spelling errors, im typing fast and my keyboard stinks lol :P

again, not saying neji can COMPLETELY block these, he'll probbly get hit once or twice, but probably not KILLED in this fight pre-EMS... but saying he does have EMS, sasuke might win... idk since we dont know the powers yet lol


Or he can simply use Rotation and disperse the flames by ending Rotation once it's hit. lol

And Kidomaru only survived due to his armor, so yes, it is an instant-death attack.

Miles Edgeworth
07-27-2010, 02:50 PM
Or he can simply use Rotation and disperse the flames by ending Rotation once it's hit. lol

And Kidomaru only survived due to his armor, so yes, it is an instant-death attack.

Neji has never shown the reaction speed to use Rotation on Amaterasu, or are you implying that Neji has reactions rivaling that of Raikage now?

You seem to forget that Sasuke has Chidori Stream, which would work just as effectively as some random armor. If Neji was as skilled as you claim, penetrating the armor would have been easy. However, this was not the case.

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 02:52 PM
Or he can simply use Rotation and disperse the flames by ending Rotation once it's hit. lol

And Kidomaru only survived due to his armor, so yes, it is an instant-death attack.
my way kills amaterasu and susano'o, 2 birds with 1 stone :D

and i dont look into every single naruto database to see how strong the attacks are like a nerd, so dont blame me if im wrong, but it looks like an instant death for anyone nder jonin, but there are a lot of people i could see surviving it... and why did neji try to KILL naruto in their fight??? he even said 'I didnt think he would stand up' not that he thought he was dead.... he was trying to injure, not kill... so 64 palms may not be instant death, but 128 is i admit lol... if 64 was meant to seriously injure, no amount of training could really make cancelling 64 chakra points any deadlier... xD

Hyuga, Neji
07-27-2010, 02:55 PM
Neji has never shown the reaction speed to use Rotation on Amaterasu, or are you implying that Neji has reactions rivaling that of Raikage now?

You seem to forget that Sasuke has Chidori Stream, which would work just as effectively as some random armor. If Neji was as skilled as you claim, penetrating the armor would have been easy. However, this was not the case.


No. Chidori stream would be dissected by Juuken. As proved. :)

And no. He'd start Rotation before Amat was used, as he can monitor the chakra use in Sasuke's body. :)

J-Sun Tasogare
07-27-2010, 02:56 PM
No. Chidori stream would be dissected by Juuken. As proved. :)

And no. He'd start Rotation before Amat was used, as he can monitor the chakra use in Sasuke's body. :)
So you're saying Neji can touch Lightning and be just fine?

He doesn't know MS techniques sorry try again.

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 02:57 PM
Neji has never shown the reaction speed to use Rotation on Amaterasu, or are you implying that Neji has reactions rivaling that of Raikage now?

You seem to forget that Sasuke has Chidori Stream, which would work just as effectively as some random armor. If Neji was as skilled as you claim, penetrating the armor would have been easy. However, this was not the case.
lol, another reason i chose for him not to block by rotation, and to add to my theory, he uses a smoke bom before getting the clones lol

and it wouldnt work if neji, being a genious and seeing whatever sasuke does, could easily find a way to get behind him somehow to attack before he can use chidori stream

Hyuga, Neji
07-27-2010, 02:58 PM
So you're saying Neji can touch Lightning and be just fine?

He doesn't know MS techniques sorry try again.


No. :) He can dissect the lightning chakra. As proved.:) (chakra>>>>>>>elemental chakra, obviously.) :)

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 02:59 PM
So you're saying Neji can touch Lightning and be just fine?

He doesn't know MS techniques sorry try again.
people have been struck by lightning and walked away :D lol

how do you know he cant tell hes using a jutsu and hide away from sight? thats what i'd do.... i think hes heard of kisame since hes fought kisame... read the bingo book lol, so he would see chakra building in his eyes so he'd hide...

Miles Edgeworth
07-27-2010, 03:00 PM
No. Chidori stream would be dissected by Juuken. As proved. :)

And no. He'd start Rotation before Amat was used, as he can monitor the chakra use in Sasuke's body. :)

And where was this "proven"? Neji has never demonstrated the feats to do so, the moment he touches it his hands get zapped. If Neji could dissect chakra auras or armors then Kidomaru's chakra armor should have been completely useless and Neji should have been able to annihilate him with ease, not the case.

Also, Water Prison is a non-offensive technique that stays stationary, a moving Sasuke with a field of lightning chakra around his body is NOT going to stay stationary and would be attacking him.

This is all assuming Neji actually gets the chance to hit Sasuke, which is heavily unlikely.

If he could monitor the chakra use so easily then why didn't he just stop Naruto in his tracks before he could attack? Why couldn't Neji attack Kidomaru so easily despite being able to "monitor" this chakra? Why couldn't Neji prevent Water Prison if he could monitor this chakra so easily? Simple solution, he is incapable of doing the feats you claim.

Sasuke could tell that Amaterasu was coming from Itachi's eyes and has higher reaction speed than Neji, he still failed to dodge it. There is no way Neji is dodging it and since you have failed to prove Neji has any reaction feats, then he cannot dodge.

people have been struck by lightning and walked away :D lol

how do you know he cant tell hes using a jutsu and hide away from sight? thats what i'd do.... i think hes heard of kisame since hes fought kisame... read the bingo book lol, so he would see chakra building in his eyes so he'd hide...

Irrelevant, Sasuke won't just zap Neji once and stand there, he will kill him after zapping him, GG Neji.

Standard BG rules state that participants do not have prep knowledge of their opponent unless otherwise specified by the OP. In short, Neji has no knowledge of Sasuke's abilities, it wouldn't help him anyway but I had to point that out.

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 03:13 PM
If he could monitor the chakra use so easily then why didn't he just stop Naruto in his tracks before he could attack? Why couldn't Neji attack Kidomaru so easily despite being able to "monitor" this chakra? Why couldn't Neji prevent Water Prison if he could monitor this chakra so easily? Simple solution, he is incapable of doing the feats you claim.

Sasuke could tell that Amaterasu was coming from Itachi's eyes and has higher reaction speed than Neji, he still failed to dodge it. There is no way Neji is dodging it and since you have failed to prove Neji has any reaction feats, then he cannot dodge.



I decided to quote this.... the naruto part was becuase he was distracted... he could see it, but he wasnt looking... it was pretty much peripheral vision, he could see it, but because he wasnt focusing and looking there, he couldnt tell it was coming

and with kidomaru??? umm, he was trying to dodge, and dont forget it has a blind spot, he couldnt see sme of it, but he had armor and was hiding in the blind spot a lot, and since he had been hit before with the kunai in his blind spot after the spiders, he was injured and couldnt move easily, thats why... he fought a smart opponent...

Water prison... so what if he didnt prevent it, he escaped without much time... he watched guy, and when the time was right and the kisame holding his prison wasnt paying attention to him, he broke out

the entire second paragraph, lol.... yeah, it hit the wing because he HAD WINGS!!! lol... it made him twice as big and much easier to be hit... and sasuke was practically out of chakra so he couldnt summon any clones... they are valid defenses because he could be out of sight amongst the clones. and neji did use 128 palms and rotation on time in the kidomaru fight, he just didnt expect the webs and that they would slow him down so much... so he has reaction feats, and if he notices sasukes chakra to go in his eyes, he could try to dodge, do my complicated plan, or rotation...

im not an expert who looks at databases all the time like a nerd, no offense if you do, so i dont know everything, so if im wrong, no need to yell at me lol... im just kinda having fun and trying to talk of what i know, and what i think would happen... its a fictional fight anyway so calm down :P

Don't even try. :) They just started listening to my logic and fact after MONTHS. XD
dont even try what, the bingo book idea? or the rest of that part i said :D

J-Sun Tasogare
07-27-2010, 03:18 PM
people have been struck by lightning and walked away :D lol

how do you know he cant tell hes using a jutsu and hide away from sight? thats what i'd do.... i think hes heard of kisame since hes fought kisame... read the bingo book lol, so he would see chakra building in his eyes so he'd hide...
No they get carried away by medical professionals who then try to save their lives, if you get hit by lightning while fighting someone they're going to kill you.

No, he wouldn't know what is going on and he wouldn't have time to hide.
No. :) He can dissect the lightning chakra. As proved.:) (chakra>>>>>>>elemental chakra, obviously.) :)
Yes because if Neji rushed into close range with Sasuke and Sasuke used Chidori Stream he would have time to hit every single bolt before it hit him because Neji is as fast as lightning.
Look, I would listen to you if you were.....anything worth listening to. But quite frankly, from the past and even up to now, YOU along with a significant other have been the MOST ridiculous with claims and wanking, etc. I am no longer willing to listen to anything you say. No, it's not because I'm self-righteous. It's because YOU brought it upon yourself. From day one. :) Bye. I can't prove myself to you if you aren't willing to truly listen.



-------LOL I WAS JUST INFRACTED BY THIS GUY.
Only shows he didn't care about what I said, what I had the RIGHT to say. I was being so sincere. Oh, well...Hardly my problem. Putting a red dot next to my name won't stop me from debating and disproving their fallacies.
Yah no one cares.

Hyuga, Neji
07-27-2010, 03:19 PM
I decided to quote this.... the naruto part was becuase he was distracted... he could see it, but he wasnt looking... it was pretty much peripheral vision, he could see it, but because he wasnt focusing and looking there, he couldnt tell it was coming

and with kidomaru??? umm, he was trying to dodge, and dont forget it has a blind spot, he couldnt see sme of it, but he had armor and was hiding in the blind spot a lot, and since he had been hit before with the kunai in his blind spot after the spiders, he was injured and couldnt move easily, thats why... he fought a smart opponent...

Water prison... so what if he didnt prevent it, he escaped without much time... he watched guy, and when the time was right and the kisame holding his prison wasnt paying attention to him, he broke out

the entire second paragraph, lol.... yeah, it hit the wing because he HAD WINGS!!! lol... it made him twice as big and much easier to be hit... and sasuke was practically out of chakra so he couldnt summon any clones... they are valid defenses because he could be out of sight amongst the clones. and neji did use 128 palms and rotation on time in the kidomaru fight, he just didnt expect the webs and that they would slow him down so much... so he has reaction feats, and if he notices sasukes chakra to go in his eyes, he could try to dodge, do my complicated plan, or rotation...

im not an expert who looks at databases all the time like a nerd, no offense if you do, so i dont know everything, so if im wrong, no need to yell at me lol... im just kinda having fun and trying to talk of what i know, and what i think would happen... its a fictional fight anyway so calm down :P


dont even try what, the bingo book idea? or the rest of that part i said :D


Seriously, don't try to reason with him. I've tried from the start. It does NOT work... No matter HOW much logic you use, no matter HOW many facts you include. If your belief is different, well.... xD

Miles Edgeworth
07-27-2010, 03:19 PM
I decided to quote this.... the naruto part was becuase he was distracted... he could see it, but he wasnt looking... it was pretty much peripheral vision, he could see it, but because he wasnt focusing and looking there, he couldnt tell it was coming

and with kidomaru??? umm, he was trying to dodge, and dont forget it has a blind spot, he couldnt see sme of it, but he had armor and was hiding in the blind spot a lot, and since he had been hit before with the kunai in his blind spot after the spiders, he was injured and couldnt move easily, thats why... he fought a smart opponent...

Water prison... so what if he didnt prevent it, he escaped without much time... he watched guy, and when the time was right and the kisame holding his prison wasnt paying attention to him, he broke out

the entire second paragraph, lol.... yeah, it hit the wing because he HAD WINGS!!! lol... it made him twice as big and much easier to be hit... and sasuke was practically out of chakra so he couldnt summon any clones... they are valid defenses because he could be out of sight amongst the clones. and neji did use 128 palms and rotation on time in the kidomaru fight, he just didnt expect the webs and that they would slow him down so much... so he has reaction feats, and if he notices sasukes chakra to go in his eyes, he could try to dodge, do my complicated plan, or rotation...

im not an expert who looks at databases all the time like a nerd, no offense if you do, so i dont know everything, so if im wrong, no need to yell at me lol... im just kinda having fun and trying to talk of what i know, and what i think would happen... its a fictional fight anyway so calm down :P

Distracted by what? Neji's overconfidence killed him, and that can't be used as an excuse for his failure. If Neji was so great then Naruto should have been fodderized. While Neji did lose due to PNJ, he really only got trolled at the end and should have had no trouble with Kyuubi chakra Naruto.

Kidomaru is indeed a smart opponent, but that changes nothing. If Neji's vision was so badly disoriented by one hit to the blindspot, then that shows Neji really lacks durability. If he wants to take Sasuke out, he needs durability, and if he doesn't have it, he'll be having problems.

Breaking out of a water prison when the user was in the middle of a fight is no real feat, especially when all there was to guard were some fodder water clones, which were stated to have 1/10 of the user's chakra. 1/10 of 30 is 3, so killing 3% clones is not that great.

The wings are the only reason he survived, he was able to avoid a direct hit by blocking with them, without CS2 he would have been grilled, and if Itachi actually fought to kill, Sasuke would have died multiple times.

128 Palms is non canon.

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 03:20 PM
Irrelevant, Sasuke won't just zap Neji once and stand there, he will kill him after zapping him, GG Neji.

Standard BG rules state that participants do not have prep knowledge of their opponent unless otherwise specified by the OP. In short, Neji has no knowledge of Sasuke's abilities, it wouldn't help him anyway but I had to point that out.
oh wow, didnt see these... ok, but neji could pull off a weird attack after being hit by the thing like kidomaru and... you know what i think thats enough... lol

umm... well that seems kind stupid in this case... becuase they were in the chunin exams and neji went on a mission to GET HIM BACK! lol... how would he get him back without knowing anything about him, especially after watching him fight in the chunin exams?
would the rules still apply if naruto and sakura fought, since they havent fought before?

J-Sun Tasogare
07-27-2010, 03:20 PM
Seriously, don't try to reason with him. I've tried from the start. It does NOT work... No matter HOW much wank you use, no matter HOW many lies you include. If your belief is wrong, well.... xD
I fixed it to make it fact, I know how much you love fact.

Hyuga, Neji
07-27-2010, 03:21 PM
Distracted by what? Neji's overconfidence killed him, and that can't be used as an excuse for his failure. If Neji was so great then Naruto should have been fodderized. While Neji did lose due to PNJ, he really only got trolled at the end and should have had no trouble with Kyuubi chakra Naruto.

Kidomaru is indeed a smart opponent, but that changes nothing. If Neji's vision was so badly disoriented by one hit to the blindspot, then that shows Neji really lacks durability. If he wants to take Sasuke out, he needs durability, and if he doesn't have it, he'll be having problems.

Breaking out of a water prison when the user was in the middle of a fight is no real feat, especially when all there was to guard were some fodder water clones, which were stated to have 1/10 of the user's chakra. 1/10 of 30 is 3, so killing 3% clones is not that great.

The wings are the only reason he survived, he was able to avoid a direct hit by blocking with them, without CS2 he would have been grilled, and if Itachi actually fought to kill, Sasuke would have died multiple times.

128 Palms is non canon.

1) Neji and Sasuke are of equal speeds, as stated directly in the Databooks, which obviously count as proof considering they withhold statistical information that defines the manga, and all consist of entirely Masashi Kishimoto's ideas. Both characters' speed is 4.5 out of 5.
2) As proven several months ago, Neji has the ability to dispel elemental techniques. He broke through Kisame's Water Prison in a minimal amount of time. (He looked at the wall of the technique and disrupted its chakra.)
Regardless. 'Time' cannot be included in these debates, as some feel the artist's style of drawing does not indicate speed, while others depend on it.
This must and will be left alone for the quality of the debate.
3) Rotation, being a wall of chakra, can act as a solid against all techniques- as that world's energy is chakra. Everything contains chakra base- even the plants and animals of nature. In short, any technique will be obstructed by Rotation in some way or another. No, Rotation cannot repel every attack. But yes, and I reiterate, nothing can simply flow through it as if it was 'air.'
4) The Byakugan obviously has the ability to sense chakra. Therefore, in order to allow time for any action, a Hyuga can monitor the chakra flow in the opponent's body, before any technique is deployed.
5) One blow of the Gentle Fist can greatly disrupt the entire chakra network. Most likely, this does not mean a Hyuga can seal off an opponent's chakra in one blow. However, one blow can disable the opponent's ability to utilize chakra for certain techniques depending upon where on the body the strike landed. For example, Fire techniques can be disabled upon one strike to the chest, as all Fire techniques utilize the concentration of chakra in the throat-chest area( although one blow to the chest area from a developed Hyuga member would most likely put any opponent into cardiac-arrest, killing them within moments.)
6) Orochimaru's Curse Mark is extremely vulnerable to the Gentle Fist, which was demonstrated with the fight between Neji and Kidomaru. Neji bombarded him with the Gentle Fist, and the Curse Mark markings immediately faded, along with the short death of the ninja himself.
7) The Empty Palm is capable of serious damage if direct. The force of the chakra( chakra, not wind) causes the opponent to lose control, making them very vulnerable around obstacles(maybe even the ground) as they fly away from the user. If this is done close enough, it's safe to assume it could result in death. (Example, fracture of the neck or spine.)
8) 64 Palms is a death-guaranteed technique. Although Naruto managed to survive its effects, it can be easily assumed that was only due to the healing properties of the Kyubi's chakra. The damage to every internal organ is unimaginable.

I had to spell it out for you.

Hyuga, Neji
07-27-2010, 03:23 PM
I fixed it to make it fact, I know how much you love fact.


That was so mature of you. :)


Anyway, don't be a little rat and change others' posts.
It's disrespectful. :)

Does someone deserve a spanking?

Miles Edgeworth
07-27-2010, 03:24 PM
1) Neji and Sasuke are of equal speeds, as stated directly in the Databooks, which obviously count as proof considering they withhold statistical information that defines the manga, and all consist of entirely Masashi Kishimoto's ideas. Both characters' speed is 4.5 out of 5.
2) As proven several months ago, Neji has the ability to dispel elemental techniques. He broke through Kisame's Water Prison in a minimal amount of time. (He looked at the wall of the technique and disrupted its chakra.)
Regardless. 'Time' cannot be included in these debates, as some feel the artist's style of drawing does not indicate speed, while others depend on it.
This must and will be left alone for the quality of the debate.
3) Rotation, being a wall of chakra, can act as a solid against all techniques- as that world's energy is chakra. Everything contains chakra base- even the plants and animals of nature. In short, any technique will be obstructed by Rotation in some way or another. No, Rotation cannot repel every attack. But yes, and I reiterate, nothing can simply flow through it as if it was 'air.'
4) The Byakugan obviously has the ability to sense chakra. Therefore, in order to allow time for any action, a Hyuga can monitor the chakra flow in the opponent's body, before any technique is deployed.
5) One blow of the Gentle Fist can greatly disrupt the entire chakra network. Most likely, this does not mean a Hyuga can seal off an opponent's chakra in one blow. However, one blow can disable the opponent's ability to utilize chakra for certain techniques depending upon where on the body the strike landed. For example, Fire techniques can be disabled upon one strike to the chest, as all Fire techniques utilize the concentration of chakra in the throat-chest area( although one blow to the chest area from a developed Hyuga member would most likely put any opponent into cardiac-arrest, killing them within moments.)
6) Orochimaru's Curse Mark is extremely vulnerable to the Gentle Fist, which was demonstrated with the fight between Neji and Kidomaru. Neji bombarded him with the Gentle Fist, and the Curse Mark markings immediately faded, along with the short death of the ninja himself.
7) The Empty Palm is capable of serious damage if direct. The force of the chakra( chakra, not wind) causes the opponent to lose control, making them very vulnerable around obstacles(maybe even the ground) as they fly away from the user. If this is done close enough, it's safe to assume it could result in death. (Example, fracture of the neck or spine.)
8) 64 Palms is a death-guaranteed technique. Although Naruto managed to survive its effects, it can be easily assumed that was only due to the healing properties of the Kyubi's chakra. The damage to every internal organ is unimaginable.

I had to spell it out for you.

So in short, since you can't prove what you're saying, you're going to repeat yourself. I see how it is.

Would you like to give any actual proof of these claims, or are you just going to ignore me and try to convince people that you're the greatest debater in the forum?

Miles Edgeworth
07-27-2010, 03:33 PM
So instead of trolling me, would you actually try to debate? Your attempts are becoming pathetic and this is diverting from a Neji vs Sasuke debate to a "lol let's troll Miles Edgeworth" thread.

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 03:35 PM
Distracted by what? Neji's overconfidence killed him, and that can't be used as an excuse for his failure. If Neji was so great then Naruto should have been fodderized. While Neji did lose due to PNJ, he really only got trolled at the end and should have had no trouble with Kyuubi chakra Naruto.

Kidomaru is indeed a smart opponent, but that changes nothing. If Neji's vision was so badly disoriented by one hit to the blindspot, then that shows Neji really lacks durability. If he wants to take Sasuke out, he needs durability, and if he doesn't have it, he'll be having problems.

Breaking out of a water prison when the user was in the middle of a fight is no real feat, especially when all there was to guard were some fodder water clones, which were stated to have 1/10 of the user's chakra. 1/10 of 30 is 3, so killing 3% clones is not that great.

The wings are the only reason he survived, he was able to avoid a direct hit by blocking with them, without CS2 he would have been grilled, and if Itachi actually fought to kill, Sasuke would have died multiple times.

128 Palms is non canon.
1st paragraph: ... seriously??? umm... ok, well a few things wrong... he did lose by overconfidence... he attacked him pretty hard, and when it looked like he had won the fight, naruto attacked...
and neji pwning kyuubi mode?! PRE-shipuden?!?!? not quite... lol maybe shippuden neji vs pre-shippuden kyuubi mode... but not any other way

2nd P: he tried to dodge them or block them, but he got hit by a few jaggedy kunai ON HIS SPINE!!!
and he got grazed by one on his face, one 15 centimeters from his heart, and one through the kidney, and he won the fight with all that with all the bleeding... he did die because he left his band-aids in his other clothes :lol:
yeah, he died for obvious reasons

3rd P: had to look this up because that seemed a little far-fetched... he gave the original sacrifice 30% that one made 3 more water clones, which means they were more like 7.5%-10% each, which is a bit more considering he is in a water prison which kakashi himself failed to get out of himself

4P: so what if thats how he survived too, he couldve just jumped in the hole he fell in when he was hit to live... he was also hit because he had them, so he couldve dodged one more flame without the wings before he jumped in the hole (or made the hole, if thats how it went)

5P: idk what that means... lol

Miles Edgeworth
07-27-2010, 03:44 PM
1st paragraph: ... seriously??? umm... ok, well a few things wrong... he did lose by overconfidence... he attacked him pretty hard, and when it looked like he had won the fight, naruto attacked...
and neji pwning kyuubi mode?! PRE-shipuden?!?!? not quite... lol maybe shippuden neji vs pre-shippuden kyuubi mode... but not any other way

2nd P: he tried to dodge them or block them, but he got hit by a few jaggedy kunai ON HIS SPINE!!!
and he got grazed by one on his face, one 15 centimeters from his heart, and one through the kidney, and he won the fight with all that with all the bleeding... he did die because he left his band-aids in his other clothes :lol:
yeah, he died for obvious reasons

3rd P: had to look this up because that seemed a little far-fetched... he gave the original sacrifice 30% that one made 3 more water clones, which means they were more like 7.5%-10% each, which is a bit more considering he is in a water prison which kakashi himself failed to get out of himself

4P: so what if thats how he survived too, he couldve just jumped in the hole he fell in when he was hit to live... he was also hit because he had them, so he couldve dodged one more flame without the wings before he jumped in the hole (or made the hole, if thats how it went)

5P: idk what that means... lol

The fact is that people (not you, but others) are claiming that Neji could casually see and react to every attack because Byakugan can see chakra, and nobody has been able to prove Neji has reaction feats to match up to techniques like Amaterasu.

Nonetheless, there are many Naruto characters who have shown durability feats better than Neji, and even with a blindspot Neji was not making it horribly conspicuous and was trying to keep up, but still got hit by attacks. Nonetheless, Sasuke's attacks are much faster than anything from Kidomaru and much more deadly.

I'm pretty sure Zabuza said that the water clones had 10% of his chakra, but I can't find that book, I'll tell you if I do.

Even without the wings, Sasuke would not have dodged the Amaterasu, in fact if he did get hit, it would be worse because the wings are what shielded the hit. Since Neji doesn't have these wings and lacks Sasuke's speed (despite all sorts of ridiculous claims that some random databooks are fact), Amaterasu would be much harder for him to evade.

Non canon means it's not official, and can't be used in the BG. That's because it is an anime only technique, and was never shown in the manga. Since Naruto's manga is canon, or official to be precise, people only use those feats unless the thread maker decides to allow anime feats.

Blind Uchiha
07-27-2010, 03:48 PM
The starting fight distance is fifty meters. Sasuke summons his Hawk and flies high above Neji. The Sauce fires off a couple fire jutsus and uses Kirin. GG Neji.

Neji can't counter that attack...

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 03:54 PM
The fact is that people (not you, but others) are claiming that Neji could casually see and react to every attack because Byakugan can see chakra, and nobody has been able to prove Neji has reaction feats to match up to techniques like Amaterasu.

Nonetheless, there are many Naruto characters who have shown durability feats better than Neji, and even with a blindspot Neji was not making it horribly conspicuous and was trying to keep up, but still got hit by attacks. Nonetheless, Sasuke's attacks are much faster than anything from Kidomaru and much more deadly.

I'm pretty sure Zabuza said that the water clones had 10% of his chakra, but I can't find that book, I'll tell you if I do.

Even without the wings, Sasuke would not have dodged the Amaterasu, in fact if he did get hit, it would be worse because the wings are what shielded the hit. Since Neji doesn't have these wings and lacks Sasuke's speed (despite all sorts of ridiculous claims that some random databooks are fact), Amaterasu would be much harder for him to evade.

Non canon means it's not official, and can't be used in the BG. That's because it is an anime only technique, and was never shown in the manga. Since Naruto's manga is canon, or official to be precise, people only use those feats unless the thread maker decides to allow anime feats.

2P: well that was pre-shippuden AND so what if some people are better... its not like sasuke is better than anyone else in the series...

3P: i found the book, Kisame, he said, and i'll quote, 'Well... ...we did give the "sacrifices"30 percent of our chakra...'

4P: umm, i find it funny that just now youre denying the databooks... i still think theyre the same speed, you cant just change that now just so youre right lol

5P: umm, the anime and video games ALL use it, and just because they have officially used it in the manga its unofficial?! it wasnt even a filler move like hinatas 64 palms guard jutsu, it was used in a major fight lol

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 03:55 PM
The starting fight distance is fifty meters. Sasuke summons his Hawk and flies high above Neji. The Sauce fires off a couple fire jutsus and uses Kirin. GG Neji.

Neji can't counter that attack...
that jutsu takes time to build up, when he uses it it is lightning so its fast, but to get the clouds and lightning to build up takes time.... so he could use rrotation far before anything else... why would he stand and do NOTHING???

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 04:01 PM
oh wow, didnt see these... ok, but neji could pull off a weird attack after being hit by the thing like kidomaru and... you know what i think thats enough... lol

umm... well that seems kind stupid in this case... becuase they were in the chunin exams and neji went on a mission to GET HIM BACK! lol... how would he get him back without knowing anything about him, especially after watching him fight in the chunin exams?
would the rules still apply if naruto and sakura fought, since they havent fought before?
not trying to post farm, but the d-rep was seriously uncalled for, i was just proving a point... i was just pointing out that they know each other, how would he not know? and no name-calling please ):<

Blind Uchiha
07-27-2010, 04:03 PM
that jutsu takes time to build up, when he uses it it is lightning so its fast, but to get the clouds and lightning to build up takes time.... so he could use rrotation far before anything else... why would he stand and do NOTHING???

Since when does he know about the jutsu or have the reaction speed to put up rotation before he is fried?

Neji can't maintain Rotation forever, and you assume that rotation could tank a lightning bolt xD

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 04:06 PM
Since when does he know about the jutsu or have the reaction speed to put up rotation before he is fried?

Neji can't maintain Rotation forever, and you assume that rotation could tank a lightning bolt xD
idk, i dont read data books and look at every naruto website like a nerd, i just took what i thought and wrote it, so im not like an expert or anything, im just playing along for fun, which is why im mad at downreps and rude names lol

Miles Edgeworth
07-27-2010, 04:13 PM
2P: well that was pre-shippuden AND so what if some people are better... its not like sasuke is better than anyone else in the series...

3P: i found the book, Kisame, he said, and i'll quote, 'Well... ...we did give the "sacrifices"30 percent of our chakra...'

4P: umm, i find it funny that just now youre denying the databooks... i still think theyre the same speed, you cant just change that now just so youre right lol

5P: umm, the anime and video games ALL use it, and just because they have officially used it in the manga its unofficial?! it wasnt even a filler move like hinatas 64 palms guard jutsu, it was used in a major fight lol

Neji has shown nothing post skip but Empty Palm, which is useless. It's irrelevant if it was pre skip, post skip Neji is featless.

I already know it was 30% chakra. But the 30% clone made water clones of himself, and Zabuza stated water clones have 1/10 of the user's chakra. Now if I could find my blasted volume 3 I could prove it. >_>

I'm denying them because they're completely wrong and are based off of absolutely nothing. If you think Neji is as fast as Sasuke, prove it. Can Neji keep up with Itachi, Killer Bee, Raikage, or Danzo? Heavily doubtful as far as I know.

Irrelevant, if it's not in the manga, it's basically filler and can't be used in canon debates. Doesn't matter if it was in a fight in the manga, the move is canon and thus cannot be used. Why, you may ask? Because it is as relevant as fanfiction here.

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 04:28 PM
Neji has shown nothing post skip but Empty Palm, which is useless. It's irrelevant if it was pre skip, post skip Neji is featless.

I already know it was 30% chakra. But the 30% clone made water clones of himself, and Zabuza stated water clones have 1/10 of the user's chakra. Now if I could find my blasted volume 3 I could prove it. >_>

I'm denying them because they're completely wrong and are based off of absolutely nothing. If you think Neji is as fast as Sasuke, prove it. Can Neji keep up with Itachi, Killer Bee, Raikage, or Danzo? Heavily doubtful as far as I know.

Irrelevant, if it's not in the manga, it's basically filler and can't be used in canon debates. Doesn't matter if it was in a fight in the manga, the move is canon and thus cannot be used. Why, you may ask? Because it is as relevant as fanfiction here.
1 well, we are probably gonna see some hidden power soon... hopefully
2 i have it, but i couldnt find the quote.... where is it in 3? but either way, cant he give more chakra to his clones? like in the naruto neji fight?
3 thats how i felt about about them too, i just thought it was funny how you denied them out of no where when you said that, but who says he couldn't? no proof, reallly.
4. well, why would they make a new jutsu in the middle of a fight that worked as well as one that was half a good in the book, and finish with the same result?

Miles Edgeworth
07-27-2010, 04:33 PM
1 well, we are probably gonna see some hidden power soon... hopefully
2 i have it, but i couldnt find the quote.... where is it in 3? but either way, cant he give more chakra to his clones? like in the naruto neji fight?
3 thats how i felt about about them too, i just thought it was funny how you denied them out of no where when you said that, but who says he couldn't? no proof, reallly.
4. well, why would they make a new jutsu in the middle of a fight that worked as well as one that was half a good in the book, and finish with the same result?

Perhaps, but until we do, Sasuke could easily take out Neji.

I'm pretty sure it was stated by Zabuza or Haku (one of them, forgot which) around the time when Sasuke solo'd Zabuza's water clones. They mentioned something about Sasuke being skilled enough to take them out, mentioning that they only have 1/10 of Zabuza's power. That could just have been that case and not the overall fact of how much energy water clones have, but nonetheless we all know that clones are heavily inferior to the real deal either way.

Well the thing about Naruto debates here is that they really require proof, otherwise we get mindless wank and all sorts of statements without any truth to them. The amounts of Neji wank recently are proof of this.

To make that anime more interesting and to keep it from being a colorful moving version of the manga. Honestly I would not want to watch both the anime and the manga if they kept every single detail the same, it would be a waste imo.

The 1st Hokage
07-27-2010, 05:41 PM
2P: well that was pre-shippuden AND so what if some people are better... its not like sasuke is better than anyone else in the series...

3P: i found the book, Kisame, he said, and i'll quote, 'Well... ...we did give the "sacrifices"30 percent of our chakra...'

4P: umm, i find it funny that just now youre denying the databooks... i still think theyre the same speed, you cant just change that now just so youre right lol

5P: umm, the anime and video games ALL use it, and just because they have officially used it in the manga its unofficial?! it wasnt even a filler move like hinatas 64 palms guard jutsu, it was used in a major fight lol1: It doesn't matter who he is better than, because the fact of the matter is that Sasuke is Superior to Neji.

2: Didn't pay attention to Mile's post that you quoted, so I'm in the dark.

3: Databooks prove nothing. That would mean Asuma is as fast as Sasuke which fails epicly.

4: Anime, Video games, ect. are non canon. Manga is all we care about when it comes to the series of Naruto.

that jutsu takes time to build up, when he uses it it is lightning so its fast, but to get the clouds and lightning to build up takes time.... so he could use rrotation far before anything else... why would he stand and do NOTHING???So Neji can magicly jump as high as Sasuke's Hawk summon now? Rotation can stop something the size and power of Kirin now? Where have I been? It has shown the ability to stop KN0 with a kunai. That was as good as it got.

not trying to post farm, but the d-rep was seriously uncalled for, i was just proving a point... i was just pointing out that they know each other, how would he not know? and no name-calling please ):<When you go on throwing out false info like this, people are gonna neg you in the BG. As for the name calling, saying Neji > Sasuke is gonna get you called a wanker.

idk, i dont read data books and look at every naruto website like a nerd, i just took what i thought and wrote it, so im not like an expert or anything, im just playing along for fun, which is why im mad at downreps and rude names lol Triple posting isn't good, along with this being completely off-topic.

1 well, we are probably gonna see some hidden power soon... hopefully
2 i have it, but i couldnt find the quote.... where is it in 3? but either way, cant he give more chakra to his clones? like in the naruto neji fight?
3 thats how i felt about about them too, i just thought it was funny how you denied them out of no where when you said that, but who says he couldn't? no proof, reallly.
4. well, why would they make a new jutsu in the middle of a fight that worked as well as one that was half a good in the book, and finish with the same result?
1: It doesn't matter. Sasuke > Neji

2: Didn't read what you quoted from Miles... again. :(

3: You're right. There's no proof whatsoever that Neji is near fast enough to keep up with Itachi or Raikage. Hell, Raikage could outrun Neji with 2 broken legs.

4: It was Anime only. It doesn't matter why, the point is that it isn't in the manga, therefor is non-canon.


One helluva a post right? Especially saying I been on vacation the last 4 days. What did I miss. Miles, ya think you could fill me in through PM?

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 09:01 PM
i told you, not trying to be mean by posting 3 times, but i was just really annoyed that i got d repped for nothing, and is there any real reason you had to just kinda corner me by only replying to stuff i did, and then d repping me for something i said i was sorry for, and only doing to say something? the thread was slow, and i didnt want to wait too long for, so, ok, you win, i leaving, but im not happy, i dont know much about battle grounds so i just came here to hopefully have fun and talk about a fight i have wanted to see, not get yelled at for not looking at every naruto fact website or stuff in the world... im in a bad mood because a kid wouldnt let me get a cartman toy in a claw machine, because his brother blocked the coin slot after i flipped him almost into the prize area and so he practically stole it, d rep me for being off topic if you want, but it doesnt make you a better person either way, youd just be making an angry/ sad kid feel worse... so yeah,i dont like being made fun of and sorry for being mad... but yeah im gonna leave, so bye

OminoUzumaki
07-27-2010, 09:08 PM
I think rotation could counter most Sasukes jutsu.Air palm could probably defeat sasuke from a distance too.

ObitoUchiha
07-27-2010, 09:13 PM
1: It doesn't matter who he is better than, because the fact of the matter is that Sasuke is Superior to Neji.

2: Didn't pay attention to Mile's post that you quoted, so I'm in the dark.

3: Databooks prove nothing. That would mean Asuma is as fast as Sasuke which fails epicly.

4: Anime, Video games, ect. are non canon. Manga is all we care about when it comes to the series of Naruto.

So Neji can magicly jump as high as Sasuke's Hawk summon now? Rotation can stop something the size and power of Kirin now? Where have I been? It has shown the ability to stop KN0 with a kunai. That was as good as it got.

When you go on throwing out false info like this, people are gonna neg you in the BG. As for the name calling, saying Neji > Sasuke is gonna get you called a wanker.

Triple posting isn't good, along with this being completely off-topic.


1: It doesn't matter. Sasuke > Neji

2: Didn't read what you quoted from Miles... again. :(

3: You're right. There's no proof whatsoever that Neji is near fast enough to keep up with Itachi or Raikage. Hell, Raikage could outrun Neji with 2 broken legs.

4: It was Anime only. It doesn't matter why, the point is that it isn't in the manga, therefor is non-canon.


One helluva a post right? Especially saying I been on vacation the last 4 days. What did I miss. Miles, ya think you could fill me in through PM?
thanks for hating on me alone pal, umm, a few words

its funny how you just said sasuke>neji as your answer, because its your opinion, i mean, why make the thread if saying neji's better gets you d reped and called names?

the canon rule, no offense, sounds... REALLY stupid xD

i wasnt TRYING to triple post, i was just mad at everyone for yelling at me, and for being d repped for NO REASON

never said neji could jump as high as the hawk, just more like neji COULD probably block most of sasukes attacks (not ALL) and sasuke might use too much chakra to use his better jutsu to win, when neji strikes... not saying that would happen, but its what id want

the only thing that made me lol was the thing about the raikage outrunning neji with the broken legs... and i wasnt saying i liked them, its just after all the posts about them, he didnt say anything until then which i found funny

i misunderstood miles, not ignoring him lol, i thought he didnt know about kisame when he was actually talking about zabuza

so thats all, no more hating please, bye

tanduhman
07-27-2010, 09:16 PM
my question is why in the world has this thread gone this far without being locked?? wth??!!!

sasuke rapestomps with ammy, susaano, and gengutsu.. that is all..

sasuke puts nejii in a gen.. while nejii is struggling to get out he ammys him.. this happens in a matter of seconds.

sasuke uses ammy right off the bat.. nejii cannot dodge it since he hasnt shown the speedfeats in order to do so.. the only thing he can do is use rotation to block it.. buuuut ammy never disperses and it keeps brewing more fire which ends up surrounding nejii and enclosing him in a mass of ammy which rapes him..

milkshakes.. that is all...

Akatsuki X
07-27-2010, 09:49 PM
I think rotation could counter most Sasukes jutsu.Air palm could probably defeat sasuke from a distance too.

Rotation probably couldn't counter any of Sasuke's jutsu.

Isn't air palm filler?

The 1st Hokage
07-27-2010, 09:57 PM
i told you, not trying to be mean by posting 3 times, but i was just really annoyed that i got d repped for nothing, and is there any real reason you had to just kinda corner me by only replying to stuff i did, and then d repping me for something i said i was sorry for, and only doing to say something? the thread was slow, and i didnt want to wait too long for, so, ok, you win, i leaving, but im not happy, i dont know much about battle grounds so i just came here to hopefully have fun and talk about a fight i have wanted to see, not get yelled at for not looking at every naruto fact website or stuff in the world... im in a bad mood because a kid wouldnt let me get a cartman toy in a claw machine, because his brother blocked the coin slot after i flipped him almost into the prize area and so he practically stole it, d rep me for being off topic if you want, but it doesnt make you a better person either way, youd just be making an angry/ sad kid feel worse... so yeah,i dont like being made fun of and sorry for being mad... but yeah im gonna leave, so bye
I understand you didn't mean to, and you apologized for it, but spamming is spamming.

I think rotation could counter most Sasukes jutsu.Air palm could probably defeat sasuke from a distance too.No. Just no.


thanks for hating on me alone pal, umm, a few words
I was hatin'? Say whut?

its funny how you just said sasuke>neji as your answer, because its your opinion, i mean, why make the thread if saying neji's better gets you d reped and called names?
No, Sasuke > Neji is a fact.


the canon rule, no offense, sounds... REALLY stupid xD
Without it, there would be major controdiction in feats. In the manga someone did this, but in the Anime someone did that and no one knows what to say.

i wasnt TRYING to triple post, i was just mad at everyone for yelling at me, and for being d repped for NO REASON A triple post is a pretty good reason to get negged.


never said neji could jump as high as the hawk, just more like neji COULD probably block most of sasukes attacks (not ALL) and sasuke might use too much chakra to use his better jutsu to win, when neji strikes... not saying that would happen, but its what id want
You said Neji could hit Sasuke and block Kirin. Not those exact words, but from what you quoted from Blind Uchiha, it made that pretty obvious.


the only thing that made me lol was the thing about the raikage outrunning neji with the broken legs... and i wasnt saying i liked them, its just after all the posts about them, he didnt say anything until then which i found funny
I made a funny.:lol:

i misunderstood miles, not ignoring him lol, i thought he didnt know about kisame when he was actually talking about zabuzaI did not say you ignored him. I said I did not read his post before I quoted you.

so thats all, no more hating please, bye Who's hatin'?

my question is why in the world has this thread gone this far without being locked?? wth??!!!

sasuke rapestomps with ammy, susaano, and gengutsu.. that is all..

sasuke puts nejii in a gen.. while nejii is struggling to get out he ammys him.. this happens in a matter of seconds.

sasuke uses ammy right off the bat.. nejii cannot dodge it since he hasnt shown the speedfeats in order to do so.. the only thing he can do is use rotation to block it.. buuuut ammy never disperses and it keeps brewing more fire which ends up surrounding nejii and enclosing him in a mass of ammy which rapes him..

milkshakes.. that is all...
You know, I have no idea. I should of locked this like 3 hours ago. :lol:

But now that i has been made clear that Genjutsu, Kirin, Boss summons. ect. own Neji, *click*