Asuma Sarutobi vs Neji Hyuga

[Miles Edgeworth]

I know this thread has been made multiple times, but I wanted to see what everybody else thought.

From what I've seen of previous threads of this, there wasn't much of a conclusion, so I was curious as to what you guys thought.

Who wins?

[Nyruss]

Neji rapes. Asuma's got nothing to compare to Neji. He's got one jutsu which is useless and those knives, which Neji should be more than capable of detecting the added length in some way and know to avoid them. Neji pokes him. He dies.

[Mr. Dr.]

Neji is faster and has the perfect technique to stop Asuma.
Trigrams finish it. If Asuma goes for a punch then Neji has the rotation.

[Lady Tsunade]

I actually think Asuma could win this one. If he started off with Ash Cloud. At 50m; even if Neji repelled it with Kaiten. The cloud would still linger about the area. Meaning Asuma could still light it on fire. And Neji would undoubtably be caught in the explosion. Neji hasn't shown any good tanking feats. So its likely he'd be killed from such an attack.

That's all Asuma can really do though,if that fialed. Neji would win.Since at close range, Chakra Blades aren't gonna do much to Neji who can probably repel them using blades of chakra around his fingertips as he did when fighting Kidomaru. At which stage, he can easily 64 palms him. But at a range, I actually think Asuma could win.

[Teddie]

Nah Lady Tsunade.
Ash Cloud wont do jack against a rotation, and Asuma's knives are fodder against something like Air Palm.

[Lady Tsunade]

Rotation merely repels the ash cloud from touching him, it doesnt destroy it. It will still linger in the air. So, it can still be burned. And the clouds AoE is more than enough to catch Neji and kill him.

[coil]

According to the last data book asuma is much better. So Asuma's skills were high jonin while Neji's wasn't any better then low jonin but as it was pointed out to me in another thread the data book latest data book is out of date. I belive Neji has the advantage in close range because of the Byakugan but Asuma is better.

[Teddie]

Rotation merely repels the ash cloud from touching him, it doesnt destroy it. It will still linger in the air. So, it can still be burned. And the clouds AoE is more than enough to catch Neji and kill him.

Yea, but the rotation still stops the ash from reaching him and doing any harm.

[Teddie]

According to the last data book asuma is much better. So Asuma's skills were high jonin while Neji's wasn't any better then low jonin but as it was pointed out to me in another thread, the data book latest data book is out of date. I belive Neji has the advantage in close range because of the Byakugan but Asuma is better.

Feats>Databooks.

[coil]

Feats>Databooks.
What feats does Neji have on Asuma?

[The 1st Hokage]

Yea, but the rotation still stops the ash from reaching him and doing any harm.
Until Neji's rotation wears off. Neji can't keep it up for longer than about 10-25 seconds. Asuma waits and Neji is killed horribly in a firery death.

[Teddie]

What feats does Neji have on Asuma?

A lot. Read past arguements.

Until Neji's rotation wears off. Neji can't keep it up for longer than about 10-25 seconds. Asuma waits and Neji is killed horribly in a firery death.

Asuma doesnt control the ash, he just spits it out. Also, it acts as a smokescreen, so how would Asuma know whether or not to ignite the ash immediately. He cant see Neji. Also, Neji has been shown to be able to run out of Rotation and start one seconds later, as seen in the clone fight.

[ByakuganAlex]

asuma uses ash cloud, neji uses air palm. neji laughs because asuma just burnt himself....again. then jukens him. neji wins with moderate difficulty.

[Lady Tsunade]

Yea, but the rotation still stops the ash from reaching him and doing any harm.

The Ash Cloud itself doesn't burn him. It only burns him when in contact with fire. What I mean is, even if Neji did repel the cloud, it wouldn't be repelled far enough, so that the explosion wouldn't reach him. The largest distance Neji has repelled something, was Kidomarus Spider web Kunai. And he only repelled them several metres away. That wouldn't be enough to avoid the effects of Asumas Ash Cloud. Seeing as how it has a rather large AoE.

[The 1st Hokage]

asuma uses ash cloud, neji uses air palm. neji laughs because asuma just burnt himself....again. then jukens him. neji wins with moderate difficulty.
Asuma controls when it explodes. I doubt He will ignite it when it is surrounding him.

[coil]

A lot. Read past arguements.
i shouldn't have to read arguments, i already know all of Neji's feats. The only ones i can think of is when he beat Kidomaru and taught himself the gental fist. Asuma was part of the elite 12 guardians, I also belive he held his own against Kisame, Neji couldn't keep up with a copy that had 30% less chakra.

[Shika-fiend]

Nah Lady Tsunade.
Ash Cloud wont do jack against a rotation, and Asuma's knives are fodder against something like Air Palm.

Remember, rotation only lasts for so long. `;)

[J-Sun Tasogare]

A lot. Read past arguements.
i shouldn't have to read arguments, i already know all of Neji's feats. The only ones i can think of is when he beat Kidomaru and taught himself the gental fist. Asuma was part of the elite 12 guardians, I also belive he held his own against Kisame, Neji couldn't keep up with a copy that had 30% less chakra.
Asuma never held his own with Kisame. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever EVER.

[Miles Edgeworth]

asuma uses ash cloud, neji uses air palm. neji laughs because asuma just burnt himself....again. then jukens him. neji wins with moderate difficulty.

You do realize that Asuma ignites the cloud himself when he chooses right? How exactly does Asuma burn himself?

If Neji tried to Air Palm the exploding cloud he'd get more fried than Asuma would, assuming he actually pushed the explosion anywhere.

How does Neji attack him so easily, Asuma kept up with Hidan, Neji wouldn't be able to easily outmaneuver him.

[Nyruss]

The closest Asuma has ever come to "Holding his own" against Kisame was blocking a casual non-serious attack from Samehada. And even then he still got heavily injured.

[ByakuganAlex]

neji would do it either right after or as soon as he ignited it. both are close range fighters what makes you think neji won't hit him?

[Miles Edgeworth]

neji would do it either right after or as soon as he ignited it. both are close range fighters what makes you think neji won't hit him?

How would Neji know when Asuma ignites it though? He has no clue about how it ignites or how much range the jutsu has, and even if he does use Air Palm, he is surrounded by an ash cloud, he can't get the whole thing.

The idea of Neji easily hitting Asuma is unlikely, simply because Asuma should be able to react to him as he fought with Hidan, and Flying Swallow grants him more range than Neji has.

[coil]

The closest Asuma has ever come to "Holding his own" against Kisame was blocking a casual non-serious attack from Samehada. And even then he still got heavily injured.
He was cut blocking Kisame's huge ass sword with his knuckle knives and to be fair he cut Kisame also. I would say that is holding your own.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

He was cut blocking Kisame's huge ass sword with his knuckle knives and to be fair he cut Kisame also. I would say that is holding your own.
Read Kisame's fight with Killer Bee, he was basically toying around with Bee and Bee>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Asuma.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Asuma kept up with Kisame solely because Kisame had used pretty much nothing besides his sword. He didn't even bother to drain any chakra at that point, all he did was sword fight and he still had the advantage over Asuma.

Asuma landed one hit but that was a lucky shot, and chances are Asuma would have been stomped, had the fight continued. Luckily it did not and Itachi and Kisame left.

[The 1st Hokage]

neji would do it either right after or as soon as he ignited it. both are close range fighters what makes you think neji won't hit him?
Fail.

It ignites. Big boom. Neji is fried trying to Air Palm it.

[Invisible Fog]

Neji airpalms him and while Asuma is fatigued he uses 64 Palms, for defense he uses Rotation.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Neji airpalms him and while Asuma is fatigued he uses 64 Palms, for defense he uses Rotation.

Somehow I doubt Air Palm is gonna put Asuma down for more than, say, two seconds. It's really not that potent and Neji never used 64 Palms in that sort of manner, chances are if Neji tried to he would just get slashed by a chakra wind blade.

What is Rotation gonna do? For the cloud maybe, and that's assuming that Neji can get the timing exactly right. Naruto intercepted Neji's rotation spin with a kunai, Asuma could probably stop it with his own power and blades. Even if he can't, he just waits for Neji to stop spinning and I'm pretty sure that he can slash.

It won't be an easy fight but I'd say that Asuma has a few advantages.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Well, Neji take this in my opinion. Asuma doesn't have any impressive feats excluding his chakra knifes and he needs to engage in close combat to make them handy. I am not sure he'd be able to out do Neji in that department so probably he'd get Jyuuken'd and die.

Although, for those of you who think that Asuma is slow, I'd rethink that. He was casually able to take out groups of Orochimaru's henchmen who were all Jonin and Chuunin in mere seconds during the Chuunin exam.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Well, Neji take this in my opinion. Asuma doesn't have any impressive feats excluding his chakra knifes and he needs to engage in close combat to make them handy. I am not sure he'd be able to out do Neji in that department so probably he'd get Jyuuken'd and die.

Although, for those of you who think that Asuma is slow, I'd rethink that. He was casually able to take out groups of Orochimaru's henchmen who were all Jonin and Chuunin in mere seconds during the Chuunin exam.

His chakra knives do have a bit more range than Neji's attacks though, and Asuma was able to pierce that rock when holding back, so if he does land a hit on Neji and he's bloodlusted, chances are it's gonna be quite some trouble for Neji.

To add to that, Asuma was keeping up with Hidan, which is better than what we've seen from Neji.

[Shikamaru Nara]

His chakra knives do have a bit more range than Neji's attacks though, and Asuma was able to pierce that rock when holding back, so if he does land a hit on Neji and he's bloodlusted, chances are it's gonna be quite some trouble for Neji.



Neji, although has less experience and no speed feats, has Rotation. I hate to wank it, but we've seen it deflect a barrage of Kunai, so why not a chakra enforced knife? It was able to make Kidomaru's arrow move which is far superior to Asuma's knives. If he can't deflect it, I'm guessing he could at least stop it with Rotation.

Once those attacks are thwarted, Asuma has nothing but Taijutsu which we have established that Neji is superior to Asuma in. Neji then Jyuukens Asuma, because Asuma has no way to defend against Neji.

So I've come to the conclusion that Neji > Asuma without knives, and Asuma > Neji with knives. But that is assuming that Rotation fails.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Neji, although has less experience and no speed feats, has Rotation. I hate to wank it, but we've seen it deflect a barrage of Kunai, so why not a chakra enforced knife? It was able to make Kidomaru's arrow move which is far superior to Asuma's knives. If he can't deflect it, I'm guessing he could at least stop it with Rotation.

Once those attacks are thwarted, Asuma has nothing but Taijutsu which we have established that Neji is superior to Asuma in. Neji then Jyuukens Asuma, because Asuma has no way to defend against Neji.

So I've come to the conclusion that Neji > Asuma without knives, and Asuma > Neji with knives. But that is assuming that Rotation fails.

The thing with the kunai is that since they were farther away, Neji could easily react to them and use Rotation. Neji is known to use Rotation for a group of long range attacks coming at him, I highly doubt he can stop an oncoming chakra slash from Asuma, especially if Neji's Rotation was intercepted by a kunai slash from Pre Naruto.

When did he use Rotation on Kidomaru's arrow? I don't recall him being able to, I need to read it again but I thought he wasn't able to and he had to tank one to find Kidomaru's location or something. I know he could change the course of the arrow so it didn't one shot him but it still hit him.

No doubt Neji's got better taijutsu, but Asuma doesn't need to rely on taijutsu when he has his explosive ash cloud thing as well as his chakra knives.

Neji can't hold up Rotation forever, he could probably use his ash cloud jutsu, thus forcing Neji to use Rotation. Neji, not expecting another attack right after, could easily be hit by Asuma from there.

Neji would have to have some good timing to use Rotation on Asuma's cloud jutsu in a way that can allow him to completely avoid getting burned badly.

[Sasuke Utchiha]

they are both jonin - so it will be an incredible battle, I like neji but Asuma is more experienced - I think Asuma will use his friend,s (Shiriku - the temple man ) ninjutsu which he used against Hindan - but Neji will protect him self by his chakra armour - then neji will beat him by the final blow ( the blows number will reach over 100 all on the chakra vessels which it have been watched by his Biakugan ( I miss its spelling ) - plus - Neji have a turbo Hand with highly speeded moves - It will be so hard 4 Asuma to stop

[Miles Edgeworth]

they are both jonin - so it will be an incredible battle, I like neji but Asuma is more experienced - I think Asuma will use his friend,s (Shiriku - the temple man ) ninjutsu which he used against Hindan - but Neji will protect him self by his chakra armour - then neji will beat him by the final blow ( the blows number will reach over 100 all on the chakra vessels which it have been watched by his Biakugan ( I miss its spelling ) - plus - Neji have a turbo Hand with highly speeded moves - It will be so hard 4 Asuma to stop

That jutsu Asuma used is non canon.

Chakra armor? What chakra armor? He has rotation, but not a chakra armor. Rotation may end up causing Neji more harm as it could leave him open to a slash from Asuma.

Neji's strongest canon technique is 64 Palms. 128 Palms and any moves like that are non canon.

[Akatsuki X]

He was cut blocking Kisame's huge ass sword with his knuckle knives and to be fair he cut Kisame also. I would say that is holding your own.

So your trying to say him being cut by Samehada is justified because he was only using two knives?

Keep in mind that Kisame was swinging it with one hand, and yet it still managed to stomp Asuma who was using both hands with knives to intercept it.

I would not call that holding his own.

[coil]

The swords size and weight adds power and makes is hard to block with little knuckle knives. If Asuma's weapon of choice was a zanbato or a nodachi then he most likely would have avoided being cut. anyway back to the actual argument. Asuma has better ninjutsu more power and stamina. Neji does have the advantage in hand to hand because of the byakugan but he is stricktly a close range fighter. Asuma is more flexible, he's good in close range and mid range.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Did Neji ever show speed considerable enough to keep up with Hidan? If not Asuma can use Ash Cloud as a distraction and cut off Neji's head from behind.

[tanduhman]

@coil- saying that asuma held is own against kisame is utterly rediculous.. kisame used one hand held outword.. now if kisame was actually trying than he would have used two hands right? showing how asuma would have died right than, and there..

not only that, but kisame showed no speed feats in that battle.. if he did show speed feats than he would have shown the speed that kept up with KB.. in other words he would have speedblitzed asuma, and killed him in a split second.

Not only that but did kisame fuse, or create water clones to overwhelm asuma? i think not.. showing how asuma would have probably been caught in a water dome or stomped by a massive wave.

that is all

[coil]

What makes you think Asuma was going his hardest? Asuma was fighting close range either though Kisame had the advantage with his huge sword. If he wanted to he could have simply used that ash cloud jutsu that everyone has been talking about. Water clones werent over whelming when Sasuke fought Zabuza, why would Kisame's be for Asuma? I brought Kisame up for a reason but it is turning into spam. If you want to debate Asuma vs Kisame i encourage you to make the thread.

[Miles Edgeworth]

What makes you think Asuma was going his hardest? Asuma was fighting close range either though Kisame had the advantage with his huge sword. If he wanted to he could have simply used that ash cloud jutsu that everyone has been talking about. Water clones werent over whelming when Sasuke fought Zabuza, why would Kisame's be for Asuma? I brought Kisame up for a reason but it is turning into spam. If you want to debate Asuma vs Kisame i encourage you to make the thread.

He wasn't, but neither was Kisame, and if you kept up with the manga this would be blatantly obvious.

Oh yeah, because ash cloud is gonna make a difference against a guy who has water dome and supersonic reaction speed. Hidan>Asuma, what is Asuma possibly gonna do against a bloodlusted, full power Kisame?

You don't seem to realize the fact that Kisame>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Zabuza.

[coil]

I know kisame was better then Zabuza but Sasuke was a genin who was no match for Zabuza. I think you guys don't understand my original argument, i wasn't saying that Asuma is a better ninja then Kisame, what i was saying is that Asuma could hold his own against Kisame and Neji can't.

[Miles Edgeworth]

I know kisame was better then Zabuza but Sasuke was a genin who was no match for Zabuza. I think you guys don't understand my original argument, i wasn't saying that Asuma is a better ninja then Kisame, what i was saying is that Asuma could hold his own against Kisame and Neji can't.

The difference in chakra levels, as well as power, between Zabuza and Kisame, is immense. 30% Kisame was solo'ing Team Guy and was only killed by 6th Gate Guy. So I wouldn't say Asuma was "holding his own" because Kisame showed even less in that fight than 30% Kisame did.

With the little Kisame actually showed in that encounter, Neji could arguably have done as well, considering all Kisame really did was slash his sword around.

[coil]

Gai only fights close range, Kisame is a mid range fighter, that alone gives him an advantage. Plus Gai used his gates so that he could beat the poster faster and thus save his team from drowning in his jutsu. Gai didn't need the gates to beat him, he needed his gates to beat him faster. Neji fought a weaker version with a team and couldn't do anything. If i remember correctly the only time he got a hit in was in the end when the whole team was contributing. Gai had to do almost all of the work.

Like i said Asuma is more flexible of a fighter being good in close and mid range. Neji cam only fight close range. Plus having expeieance and being a former elite gaurdian for his country. Asuma>>Neji

[Akatsuki X]

Gai only fights close range, Kisame is a mid range fighter, that alone gives him an advantage. Plus Gai used his gates so that he could beat the poster faster and thus save his team from drowning in his jutsu. Gai didn't need the gates to beat him, he needed his gates to beat him faster. Neji fought a weaker version with a team and couldn't do anything. If i remember correctly the only time he got a hit in was in the end when the whole team was contributing. Gai had to do almost all of the work.

Stating that Gai didn't have to fo all out just to defeat a 30% Kisame is blatant fanboyism.

[coil]

Stating that Gai didn't have to fo all out just to defeat a 30% Kisame is blatant fanboyism.
Why would he need to for a weaker Kisame? Why would i say that if i didn't think it was true when i don't even like Gai? saying what you just posted is fanboyism because of couse Gai would be able to beat a 30% powered Kisame.

[Akatsuki X]

Why would he need to for a weaker Kisame? Why would i say that if i didn't think it was true when i don't even like Gai? saying what you just posted is fanboyism.

Because obviously a weaker Kisame is still stronger then base Gai.

Know what your talking about before you try soo strongly to push your points.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Gai only fights close range, Kisame is a mid range fighter, that alone gives him an advantage. Plus Gai used his gates so that he could beat the poster faster and thus save his team from drowning in his jutsu. Gai didn't need the gates to beat him, he needed his gates to beat him faster. Neji fought a weaker version with a team and couldn't do anything. If i remember correctly the only time he got a hit in was in the end when the whole team was contributing. Gai had to do almost all of the work.

Like i said Asuma is more flexible of a fighter being good in close and mid range. Neji cam only fight close range. Plus having expeieance and being a former elite gaurdian for his country. Asuma>>Neji

Proof? If you actually read the manga you would know Guy was having trouble with 30% Kisame in base. LOTS of trouble. He even told himself "Got no choice..." and proceeded to use the gates. Yeah, Guy could totally kill 30% Kisame without gates, despite everything in the manga hinting otherwise.

The difference between Neji and Guy is extreme. Same with Asuma and Guy.

[tanduhman]

Gai only fights close range, Kisame is a mid range fighter, that alone gives him an advantage. Plus Gai used his gates so that he could beat the poster faster and thus save his team from drowning in his jutsu. Gai didn't need the gates to beat him, he needed his gates to beat him faster. Neji fought a weaker version with a team and couldn't do anything. If i remember correctly the only time he got a hit in was in the end when the whole team was contributing. Gai had to do almost all of the work.

Like i said Asuma is more flexible of a fighter being good in close and mid range. Neji cam only fight close range. Plus having expeieance and being a former elite gaurdian for his country. Asuma>>Neji

how is kisame a mid range fighter? just because he has one jutsu that has some distance does not make him a mid ranged fighter.. kisame fights in close range with his samehada.

The point is if kisame were trying, and if asuma was trying than kisame would rape stomp him in seconds. In no way shape or form could asuma ever hold his own against kisame.. and here are some reasons.

#1- kisames samehada can heal him... thats self evident.
#2- if kisame unwrapped his samehada into true form than his sword would be EVEN bigger thus giving him the better advantage.
#3- kisame has shown way better reaction, and speed feats in his fight with KB.
#4- he can fuse.
#5- clones actually are a big deal since if there is a water source, and since kisames clones can use water prison than that means that asuma has to pay attention to allll of kisames clones.. and since kisame has a large chakra pool, it shows that he can make a large ammount of clones in which surround assuma.. and eventually trap him in a water prison.
#6- kisames strength is far greater than that of asumas.. with one arm he broke through asumas two arms.. picture kisame using two arms.. and with an unwrapped true form samehada.. exactly.


and no this is not spam since u are the one who brought up the rediculous fact yourself. i would never have to make a thread because anyone with a brain knows that kisame rapestomps.. itd be a large waste of time.

[Raiden]

Could someone plz change the tittle of this thread from Asuma vs Naji to Asuma vs Kisame

[Miles Edgeworth]

Could someone plz change the tittle of this thread from Asuma vs Naji to Asuma vs Kisame

That would be utterly pointless because it's fairly obvious that Kisame curbstomps Asuma in every conceivable way.

Just because the argument branched off into how Asuma is competent enough to fight off Kisame doesn't mean it should become Asuma vs Kisame, since everyone in this thread knows for a fact that Asuma would struggle even with 30% Kisame. It's not a stretch to say that 30% Kisame could defeat Asuma with ease.

[Raiden]

That would be utterly pointless because it's fairly obvious that Kisame curbstomps Asuma in every conceivable way.

Just because the argument branched off into how Asuma is competent enough to fight off Kisame doesn't mean it should become Asuma vs Kisame, since everyone in this thread knows for a fact that Asuma would struggle even with 30% Kisame.

it was joke to get everyone to stop talking about epic kisame and go back to talking about epicless neji. XD

[coil]

I am getting sick of this. Look at the data books aside from ninjutsu and taijutsu, which they are equal in, Asuma is better in genjust, smarter and faster Kisame maybe stronger and has more stamina that is it. Asuma is more talented get over it. You know why Kisame has shown more jutsus? It's because Kisame has been seen in more fights. Oh tanduhman Kisame does fight with his sword a lot but a lot of his jutsus are mid range.

I also want to know how this isn't spam when it has nothing to do with the topic? I brought this up to make a point but it turned out becoming a whole new thread that is off topic.

[Nyruss]

Databook stats are meaningless. All of Kisame's feats take a big smelly dump on Asuma's.

Asuma doesn't even have any genjutsu so how can he be better at it than Kisame?

[coil]

How are data book stats meaningless?

[Nyruss]

Aside from the obvious problem of them not reflecting what the characters have actually shown capable of you mean?

[coil]

The only time characters have shown less or more capability then what the data books say are ones with special tools like Kisame's sword or Naruto with his fox spirit. If you think they are incorrect then you are probably looking at the books that came out before the points you are thinking of. Honestly why would you argue with what Kishi says about his own manga series?

[Nyruss]

Because Kishi is inconsistent and because the manga is the primary canon meaning that what happens in it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything the databook says always and forever.

Next you're gonna tell me that Haku is lightspeed and Amaterasu is hot as the sun.

You show me real evidence that not just fanwankery that Asuma is capable of existing on the same planet as Kisame, much less "hold his own" then we'll talk. Until that happens you're just another faceless nameless fanboy and troll desperate to prove that your favorite character is OMGZORZ HAXX in spite of all evidence proving that he isn't.

[coil]

What you judge in the manga is nothing but speculation. What Kishi says>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your judgment.

Haku does have light speed when he is in the ice mirrors. The only reason Sasuke started to see his movements was because Haku's chakra was running low. If i remember cerrectly they said that Amaterasu is as hot as the sun so why wouldn't you believe it?

[Nyruss]

Your lack of providing any actual proof in lieu of more whining is taken as an admission of trolling and fanboyism. Whenever you wanna provide proof I'll be waiting.

[coil]

I did, do you want me to post a link or something? you know i can't do that right? If you want proof go buy the latest data book.

[Nyruss]

As I said before, the databook is garbage so you'll have to do better than that.

[coil]

Well i told you that your judgment is meaningless. What do you think you are so good that you think you are are right about something in Naruto even when Kishi says that you are wrong? Cut your ego down and learn to admit when you are wrong.

If you think that Neji is better then Asuma or Kisame or whatever why don't you post evidence instead of trying to proove Kishi wrong.

[Nyruss]

Now how did I know that you would say that?

I know how to admit when I'm wrong. Unfortunately for you, I'm just not. :)

I never said Neji was better than Kisame, but bonus points for trying to claim I did.

[coil]

I never claimed that you said anything. it can be assumed that you disagree with me on something though because you are saying that my data book proof is wrong.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Well i told you that your judgment is meaningless. What do you think you are so good that you think you are are right about something in Naruto even when Kishi says that you are wrong? Cut your ego down and learn to admit when you are wrong.

If you think that Neji is better then Asuma or Kisame or whatever why don't you post evidence instead of trying to proove Kishi wrong.
loldatabookssuck. Yeah if you use databooks you're disregarded Kishi writes databooks but he also writes Naruto so that means he's stupid. He's to busy trolling us to keep track of his own Manga.

[Teddie]

Is Coil NightmareLuffy with fail spelling and grammar?
Because by his logic, Haku is lightspeed, and all of Narutoverse is FLT+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
Kisame makes a beautiful hunk of chopped up Neji meat.

[tanduhman]

well thankyou dudemeister for basically ending that for me.... my statements stand where they are.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Yeah, the databooks listed Neji as 4.5 in speed, which is Sasuke's level.

LOL at the databooks being accurate.

[Shikamaru Nara]

I never claimed that you said anything. it can be assumed that you disagree with me on something though because you are saying that my data book proof is wrong.

I see a Prasanth alt in you.

Databooks are incorrect virtually 90% of the time.

Ninjutsu: Displays knowledge and proficiency in Ninjutsu, ninja techniques.

Taijutsu: Displays knowledge and proficiency in Taijutsu, body techniques.

Genjutsu: Displays knowledge and proficiency in Genjutsu, mind techniques.

Intelligence: Shows 'intelligence.' Their IQ and amount of knowledge.

Strength: Displays not just arm and leg power, but full body 'muscular power.'

Speed: Displays 'swiftness' of movements and reaction speed.


Databook One

Tenten

Ninjutsu: 2.5
Taijutsu: 2.5
Genjutsu: 1.5
Knowledge: 2
Strength: 1
Speed: 3
Stamina: 1.5
Seal: 2

Haruno Sakura

Ninjutsu: 1.5
Taijutsu: 1
Genjutsu: 3
Knowledge: 3.5
Strength: 1
Speed: 1
Stamina: 1
Seal: 4

These databooks assume that TenTen is level 3 in speed out of 5, then they say that Sakura is level 1 out of 5. Sakura is easily up to par in speed with TenTen, which proves that these databooks are, yes, incorrect. Look at that, your trusty databooks just bit the dust. pwned.

[Nyruss]

The databooks also list Asuma as being the same speed as Sasuke.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Are we really going to go over how retarded the people are who write these are?

[coil]

Is Coil NightmareLuffy with fail spelling and grammar?
Because by his logic, Haku is lightspeed, and all of Narutoverse is FLT+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
Kisame makes a beautiful hunk of chopped up Neji meat.
Haku is light speed when he is using crystal ice mirrors idiot. He said that everyone around him appear to move slow motion when he is using that jutsu. You shouldn't look at feats alone you should look at skill too. Acorrding to you logic the 4th hokage would have what 4/5ninjutsu, 1/5 taijutsu, 0/5 genjutsu. He hasn't been shown using genjutsu or taijutsu so he doesn't know them. Feats mean nothing if you have access to the data books. Shikamaru that databook is out of date.

Well i am done now it is impossible to reason with egotistical kids who doesn't listen to any voice but their own.

[Nyruss]

Feats are everything. Databooks are unreliable.

Haku is not lightspeed. Not even when using the mirrors.

[Kuromaki]

Haku is light speed when he is using crystal ice mirrors idiot. Hey don't flame in here.

Also, the notion of Haku being light speed in mirrors is ridiculous. He's maybe sound speed or something.

The databooks are often outdated and have many inconsistencies when dealing with characters' abilities so I wouldn't trust them.

[The 1st Hokage]

Haku is light speed when he is using crystal ice mirrors idiot. He said that everyone around him appear to move slow motion when he is using that jutsu. You shouldn't look at feats alone you should look at skill too. Acorrding to you logic the 4th hokage would have what 4/5ninjutsu, 1/5 taijutsu, 0/5 genjutsu. He hasn't been shown using genjutsu or taijutsu so he doesn't know them. Feats mean nothing if you have access to the data books. Shikamaru that databook is out of date.

Well i am done now it is impossible to reason with egotistical kids who doesn't listen to any voice but their own.
Databooks do, and always will, FAIL. Unless you can prove the accuracy of the databooks, they fail, and so do you.

[coil]

I shouldn't have to prove the accuracy of anything it is common sense. Why don't you prove that your opinions of the characters are correct? Kuromaki is right about the books being out of date but they still give a good idea of their abilities.

Wow dudmeister, i just proved your logic wrong and all you can come up with is feats=everything data books=nothing. Madara hasn't shown any more then one jutsu so he sucks as a ninja? Using your logic this must be what you believe?

Your stupid opinion<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<what Kishimoto says.

[Kuromaki]

Okay calm down. We debate using feats here, and unless the manga supports the databook claims of characters' stats and abilities then it can't be used due to the inconsistencies. For example Amaterasu's failure to kill Karin despite supposedly being as hot as the sun or characters like Asuma, Neji, and Kimimaro having the same speed stat as Sasuke even though they're not as fast. And no Tobi doesn't suck because he can warp people but he lacks feats otherwise so it's best not to use him in debates until he shows more.

[Akatsuki X]

Databooks are wrong.
End of story.
Stop fighting people.

[coil]

Ok but didn't thay say that Amaterasu is hotter then the sun in the manga? If that is true then the series itself is inconsistent. Asuma has only been shown in a couple of fights so of course Kishi is going to say that he is better in abilities genjutsu for example then what was shown.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Haku is light speed when he is using crystal ice mirrors idiot. He said that everyone around him appear to move slow motion when he is using that jutsu. You shouldn't look at feats alone you should look at skill too. Acorrding to you logic the 4th hokage would have what 4/5ninjutsu, 1/5 taijutsu, 0/5 genjutsu. He hasn't been shown using genjutsu or taijutsu so he doesn't know them. Feats mean nothing if you have access to the data books. Shikamaru that databook is out of date.

Well i am done now it is impossible to reason with egotistical kids who doesn't listen to any voice but their own.

It doesn't matter if those databooks are out of date, because Tenten, nor Sakura have showed any improvement on the speed feats department. Prove me wrong.

The egotistical child is you. You bash others to make yourself feel competent and confident about yourself. If you want to debate here, it is expected that you treat others as your equal. It isn't under discussion. I, and the rest of the people who post here, will not tolerate flaming. On my behalf, and everybody else's please stop this mindless flaming.

I shouldn't have to prove the accuracy of anything it is common sense. Why don't you prove that your opinions of the characters are correct? Kuromaki is right about the books being out of date but they still give a good idea of their abilities.

Wow dudmeister, i just proved your logic wrong and all you can come up with is feats=everything data books=nothing. Madara hasn't shown any more then one jutsu so he sucks as a ninja? Using your logic this must be what you believe?

Your stupid opinion<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<what Kishimoto says.

Again, the substance of your post is pure flaming. "Your stupid opinion" is NOT treating people like your equal. Yes, I'm a hardass, but you need to straighten out, or come back when you decide to grow up. Flaming is not tolerated, end of story.

To the point:

Madara HAS only shown one jutsu. The only thing he has is his intelligence. In theory, he's high tier, but how strong is he in reality?

[coil]

It doesn't matter if those databooks are out of date, because Tenten, nor Sakura have showed any improvement on the speed feats department. Prove me wrong.

The egotistical child is you. You bash others to make yourself feel competent and confident about yourself. If you want to debate here, it is expected that you treat others as your equal. It isn't under discussion. I, and the rest of the people who post here, will not tolerate flaming. On my behalf, and everybody else's please stop this mindless flaming.



Again, the substance of your post is pure flaming. "Your stupid opinion" is NOT treating people like your equal. Yes, I'm a hardass, but you need to straighten out, or come back when you decide to grow up. Flaming is not tolerated, end of story.

To the point:

Madara HAS only shown one jutsu. The only thing he has is his intelligence. In theory, he's high tier, but how strong is he in reality?
I only flame when i am being flamed at myself. Before you decide to judge me and say that i insult to feel competent look at other posts and you will see it is because i am being disrespected.

[Kuromaki]

Ok but didn't thay say that Amaterasu is hotter then the sun in the manga? If that is true then the series itself is inconsistent. Asuma has only been shown in a couple of fights so of course Kishi is going to say that he is better in abilities genjutsu for example then what was shown.
If so, where?

And if someone did say it in the manga, they may have simply been hyping up Ammy, because from what's been shown it's not Sun hot.

Even when fighting for his life Asuma didn't show speed feats comparing to Sasuke's, so those are two inconsistencies right there.
I only flame when i am being flamed at myself. Before you decide to judge me and say that i insult to feel competent look at other posts and you will see it is because i am being disrespected.
Flaming others will only make it more of a mess.

[Shikamaru Nara]

I only flame when i am being flamed at myself. Before you decide to judge me and say that i insult to feel competent look at other posts and you will see it is because i am being disrespected.

I read this thread in its entirety. I have seen you flaming, and the other users actually trying to debate with posts that didn't even have substance. You may feel that way, but if you're being disrespected, and you're doing the same thing to others, how do you think they feel? I think you already answered that.

[coil]

I read this thread in its entirety. I have seen you flaming, and the other users actually trying to debate with posts that didn't even have substance. You may feel that way, but if you're being disrespected, and you're doing the same thing to others, how do you think they feel? I think you already answered that.
I was called a troll either though i was the last to forget about Neji. My point being that Asuma can fight close range and long range when Neji can only fight close range.

you obviously didn't pay much attention because sometime after i brought up the fact that Asuma could hold his own against Kisame and that Neji can't, i was called stupid and a troll, it was said that i am defending Asuma because i am biased and a fanboy, all before i started flaming. Saying that everyone else is trying to debate while i am flaming is hypocritical.

[deidara330]

Should I lock this thread so more flaming doesn't continue? That's all I see happening for the future of this thread.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Enough with the flaming, if you're going to debate then debate properly.

This goes for everybody, I am not pointing at one single person, but if any flaming continues then I will give an infraction.

[coil]

Should I lock this thread so more flaming doesn't continue? That's all I see happening for the future of this thread.
That would be a good idea. Someone will reply saying what ever and i wont be able to help myself and it will eventually turn into flames again.

[deidara330]

Enough with the flaming, if you're going to debate then debate properly.

This goes for everybody, I am not pointing at one single person, but if any flaming continues then I will give an infraction.You took the words right out of my mouth. And here I had a long lecture all planned out.

And if an infraction has to be given out I'm locking this thread on my own authority to prevent further flaming from continuing.That would be a good idea. Someone will reply saying what ever and i wont be able to help myself and it will eventually turn into flames again.You will be able to help yourself. Please don't pretend you don't have a choice. If this happens a second time, I would rather have you promise not to flame instead of saying you can't help yourself.

[The 1st Hokage]

I shouldn't have to prove the accuracy of anything it is common sense. Why don't you prove that your opinions of the characters are correct? Kuromaki is right about the books being out of date but they still give a good idea of their abilities.

Wow dudmeister, i just proved your logic wrong and all you can come up with is feats=everything data books=nothing. Madara hasn't shown any more then one jutsu so he sucks as a ninja? Using your logic this must be what you believe?

Your stupid opinion<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<what Kishimoto says.
No one cares what Kishimoto says, draws, or writes because it all fails. Databooks are out of date, and extremely innacurate. I'm gonna take a feat over what Kishi says.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Personally I find this match to be interesting, so I would hate for the thread to be locked because of some petty flaming.

If you have nothing nice to say, then simply say nothing. It's better that way. If you truly feel offended, tell a mod.

[deidara330]

Alright, I'll give my opinion on this fight. Asuma should win. With Fire Style: Burning Ash he could burn Neji to death by igniting the ash.

[coil]

You took the words right out of my mouth. And here I had a long lecture all planned out.

And if an infraction has to be given out I'm locking this thread on my own authority to prevent further flaming from continuing.You will be able to help yourself. Please don't pretend you don't have a choice. If this happens a second time, I would rather have you promise not to flame instead of saying you can't help yourself.
I don't mean literally but it won't be easy not to post here now. I can promise that i wont flame.

I suggest the debate gets back to Neji and Asuma and we forget about the whole Kisame issue. I would like to hear someone counter my last point about Neji.

[Miles Edgeworth]

I don't mean literally but it won't be easy not to post here now. I can promise that i wont flame.

I suggest the debate gets back to Neji and Asuma and we forget about the whole Kisame issue. I would like to hear someone counter my last point about Neji.

With the whole flaming issue bursting forward, I haven't seen your last point on Neji.

Could you remind me so I can see?

Personally I'd say Asuma wins this with some difficulty, he won't stomp Neji but I'd say he has his advantages.

[coil]

With the whole flaming issue bursting forward, I haven't seen your last point on Neji.

Could you remind me so I can see?

Personally I'd say Asuma wins this with some difficulty, he won't stomp Neji but I'd say he has his advantages.
Then i agree with you. My last point is that Asuma is a bit more flexible. Neji is only a close range fighter but neji can fight both mid and clase range. So Asuma has that fire jutsu that he used on Hiden and also raigo senjusatu.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Then i agree with you. My last point is that Asuma is a bit more flexible. Neji is only a close range fighter but neji can fight both mid and clase range. So Asuma has that fire jutsu that he used on Hiden and also raigo senjusatu.

Just to note, Raigo: Senjusatsu is an anime only jutsu, so it's non canon.

[coil]

Just to note, Raigo: Senjusatsu is an anime only jutsu, so it's non canon.
Really? Well i still think he could win with his chakra knives. If you go by feats alone Neji hasn't shown any great speed feats, Asuma beat how many 5-6 sound jonin and chunin by himself with those knives. So do you think Neji would be able to use rotation before Asuma gets him? If he can't it would just push him back and there is still that fire jutsu. It would depened on how long Neji could use rotation and how long Asuma can blow smoke (or whatever it was) for.

[Nyruss]

Namelss fodder are fodder. Neji >>>>>>>>>>> any fodder or group of fodder you care to name.

Even if Asuma is more versatile that doesn't mean he'll last more than .0000000000000000000000000000000000001 yoctoseconds against Neji.

Asuma tries to use his knives, Neji pokes him and explodes his heart.
Asuma tries to use Useless Fire Jutsu #546, Neji pokes him an explodes his heart.
Asuma tries whistling Dixie, Neji pokes him and explodes his heart.
Asuma tries to do the Macarena, Neji pokes him and explodes his heart.


Eight Trigrams Empty Palm ---> Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms. The end.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Really? Well i still think he could win with his chakra knives. If you go by feats alone Neji hasn't shown any great speed feats, Asuma beat how many 5-6 sound jonin and chunin by himself with those knives. So do you think Neji would be able to use rotation before Asuma gets him? If he can't it would just push him back and there is still that fire jutsu. It would depened on how long Neji could use rotation and how long Asuma can blow smoke (or whatever it was) for.

The issue with those sound ninja was that they're mostly featless though. Keeping up with Hidan is still better than anything from Neji.

A lot of people overrate Rotation, despite the fact that Naruto intercepted it with a kunai slash. I think it's reasonable to assume Asuma could do the same thing with his own weapons, which are heavily superior to any of Naruto's.

The ash cloud does help, since Neji cannot rotate all the smoke away and would get fried if his timing was off.

Namelss fodder are fodder. Neji >>>>>>>>>>> any fodder or group of fodder you care to name.

Even if Asuma is more versatile that doesn't mean he'll last more than .0000000000000000000000000000000000001 yoctoseconds against Neji.

Asuma tries to use his knives, Neji pokes him and explodes his heart.
Asuma tries to use Useless Fire Jutsu #546, Neji pokes him an explodes his heart.
Asuma tries whistling Dixie, Neji pokes him and explodes his heart.
Asuma tries to do the Macarena, Neji pokes him and explodes his heart.

Hidan isn't fodder though.

Actually I'd say Asuma would last much more than that.

Neji has never shown the speed to kill Asuma that easily. Asuma has the better range and nothing is stopping him from chopping off Neji's head. Reacting to Hidan means Neji is not landing an easy shot on him.

Ash Pile Burning means Neji would get injured enough to give Asuma an opening to slash him open.

Why in the world would Asuma attempt those last two things?

[Nyruss]

Hidan isn't fodder though.

Depends on how broadly you define "fodder". In any case, a reread of the HIdan fight reveals that Asuma never did anything particularly impressive. He barely dodged one attack and blocked another. A nonserious Hidan was also dodging Shikamaru's shadows at the time.

Actually I'd say Asuma would last much more than that.

Exagerations are exagerated.


Ash Pile Burning means Neji would get injured enough to give Asuma an opening to slash him open.

He's gonna have a hard time doing that with an exploded heart.

Why in the world would Asuma attempt those last two things?
Why indeed.


Asuma: HAHA YOU CAN'T REACH ME BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY SHORT RANGE!
Neji: Eight Trigrams Empty Palm.
Asuma: OH NOEZORZ!!!!
Neji: Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms. The end.

[The 1st Hokage]

Is empty palm long range?

[Nyruss]

Mid range, same as Useless Fire Jutsu #546.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Depends on how broadly you define "fodder". In any case, a reread of the HIdan fight reveals that Asuma never did anything particularly impressive. He barely dodged one attack and blocked another. A nonserious Hidan was also dodging Shikamaru's shadows at the time.



Exagerations are exagerated.




He's gonna have a hard time doing that with an exploded heart.


Why indeed.


Asuma: HAHA YOU CAN'T REACH ME BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY SHORT RANGE!
Neji: Eight Trigrams Empty Palm.
Asuma: OH NOEZORZ!!!!
Neji: Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms. The end.

Barely dodged, but nonetheless dodged. Better than what I've seen from Neji. Also, Shikamaru's shadows are not that amazing, they're really only extensively useful in team combat, unless Shikamaru is fighting some fodder.

How so?

Is Neji gonna explode his heart before or after he gets his head chopped off?

Somehow I doubt Asuma would bother underestimating his opponent if he's bloodlusted. He would be going for the kill, no matter what. He wouldn't simply laugh at Neji in this situation. Also, Empty Palm is fairly useless, it basically knocked 30% Kisame away and bothered him for a panel before he was back on his feet and blocking attacks again.

If Neji tried using 64 Palms he would be very vulnerable to a Flying Swallow slash.

Is empty palm long range?

More like medium range, if even that much. It's the only move of Neji's that has much more than melee range and it's really not that potent.

[Nyruss]

How so?

It will take longer than .0000000000000000000000000000000000001 yoctoseconds for Neji to kill Asuma. Maybe .000000000000000000000000000000000001 yoctoseconds, maybe .00000000000000000000000000000000001 yoctoseconds, maybe more.


Is Neji gonna explode his heart before or after he gets his head chopped off?
Before natch.

Somehow I doubt Asuma would bother underestimating his opponent if he's bloodlusted.

That's fine, he'll still die.

Also, Empty Palm is fairly useless, it basically knocked 30% Kisame away and bothered him for a panel before he was back on his feet and blocking attacks again.
And 30% Kisame >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Asuma.

If it can send Kisame flying back a decent distance, it will send Asuma flying back just as well unless Asuma suddenly gains the ability to defy gravity. More than enough time for 64P.

[Miles Edgeworth]

It will take longer than .0000000000000000000000000000000000001 yoctoseconds for Neji to kill Asuma. Maybe .000000000000000000000000000000000001 yoctoseconds, maybe .00000000000000000000000000000000001 yoctoseconds, maybe more.



Before natch.



That's fine, he'll still die.


And 30% Kisame >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Asuma.

If it can send Kisame flying back a decent distance, it will send Asuma flying back just as well unless Asuma suddenly gains the ability to defy gravity. More than enough time for 64P.

Even if Neji does win this, in no way does he win with ease or in an extremely quick manner.

How does Neji possibly land the hits without getting his head lopped off?

30% Kisame is superior but not to an extreme extent. Also, that's the one time Empty Palm was even used, and it did absolutely nothing of note than disorient the guy for a panel's worth of time. What is stopping the same thing from happening with Asuma?

Let's suppose that Empty Palm was so powerful it sent Asuma a huge distance away. How in the heck is Neji gonna get in close enough to hit Asuma before he reacts, and what's keeping Asuma from slashing at Neji?

[Nyruss]

Even if Neji does win this, in no way does he win with ease or in an extremely quick manner.


No doubt.

How does Neji possibly land the hits without getting his head lopped off?

How does Asuma possibly lop off Neji's head when he's being 64Palmed to death?

30% Kisame is superior but not to an extreme extent. Also, that's the one time Empty Palm was even used, and it did absolutely nothing of note than disorient the guy for a panel's worth of time. What is stopping the same thing from happening with Asuma?

Kisame was able to quickly recover because he slowed himself down with Samehada. Lacking any such means of doing similar, Asuma will remain in the air longer giving Neji more time to use 64P.


Let's suppose that Empty Palm was so powerful it sent Asuma a huge distance away. How in the heck is Neji gonna get in close enough to hit Asuma before he reacts, and what's keeping Asuma from slashing at Neji?


I doubt a huge distance even in the best circumstances, but certainly it's strong enough to throw Asuma for a loop. More than long enough for 64P.

[The 1st Hokage]

I'm just saying, Chakra Enhanced Trench Knives + Asuma's arm length is about double Neji's arm length. I don't see Neji getting close enough for 64P.

[Nyruss]

He'll have other things to focus on than keeping Neji at arms length.

[The 1st Hokage]

I realy don't see Empty Palm doing that much to him. He tanked his own Burning Ash jutsu, along with being stabbed multiple times.

[Nyruss]

The point isn't to do damage it's to knock him off his feet.

[The 1st Hokage]

And Neji can move 50m before Asuma can get up? I doubt it, but even if he can, he'll run straight into the Chakra Enhanced trench knives.

[Nyruss]

For him to use Empty Palm he'll need to be alot closer than 50 meters, same as Asuma using Useless Fire Jutsu #546 or the trench knives.

[The 1st Hokage]

Trench Knives are close range, and Burning ash is mid range, as is empty palm, but The ash can do more than burn Neji to death. It's ash. It can hide Asuma behind it. Be kinda hard to hit a target you can't see. But, Asuma uses Burning ash, Neji knocks Asuma down with Empty Palm, Neji runs through the ash and is then burned to a crisp.

[Devroux]

I don't think Asuma has what he needs to take on Neji. From what I've seen, Neji is faster than Asuma so being faster he could easily dodge Asuma's trench knives. The burning ash is where it gets difficult. I believe Neji wouldn't neccessarly get caught in it because of his speed and 64-palms but still be caught in the blast. Which could heavily damage if not kill Neji. But if Neji somehow survives that then he'd have no problems jabbing Asuma's heart to stop it or 64-128-palms to death. But that's if he survives Burning Ash.

Now take what you want from that. If Neji survives Burning Ash I think he'd win but I also don't think Neji has the endurance to survive that and still have the ability to fight.

This is my first post in the BG...

[Miles Edgeworth]

No doubt.



How does Asuma possibly lop off Neji's head when he's being 64Palmed to death?



Kisame was able to quickly recover because he slowed himself down with Samehada. Lacking any such means of doing similar, Asuma will remain in the air longer giving Neji more time to use 64P.



I doubt a huge distance even in the best circumstances, but certainly it's strong enough to throw Asuma for a loop. More than long enough for 64P.

Since when was Neji able to do 64 Palms so quickly that Asuma couldn't react in the slightest way? Asuma would be knocked down but that doesn't prevent him from slashing what's in front of him. Since the chakra knives have more than melee range, Neji isn't going to have a fun time trying to use 64 Palms with a chakra knife coming straight for him.

Asuma could still get back on his feet quickly enough to react to Neji. It's not like Asuma is going to just lay around while Neji prepares to attack him.

I don't see how Empty Palm would provide Neji with enough time to take him out so easily, Asuma still has the better range and he could still get back on his feet before Neji proceeds to land the hits.

I don't think Asuma has what he needs to take on Neji. From what I've seen, Neji is faster than Asuma so being faster he could easily dodge Asuma's trench knives. The burning ash is where it gets difficult. I believe Neji wouldn't neccessarly get caught in it because of his speed and 64-palms but still be caught in the blast. Which could heavily damage if not kill Neji. But if Neji somehow survives that then he'd have no problems jabbing Asuma's heart to stop it or 64-128-palms to death. But that's if he survives Burning Ash.

Now take what you want from that. If Neji survives Burning Ash I think he'd win but I also don't think Neji has the endurance to survive that and still have the ability to fight.

This is my first post in the BG...

Neji faster than Asuma? How so? Asuma was keeping up with Hidan, that's better than anything I have seen from Neji.

So if Asuma uses Ash Pile Burning and Neji comes out, how would Neji be able to quickly use 64 Palms right after? He would be injured enough for Asuma to slash him with chakra knives.

128 Palms is non canon.

[Nyruss]

The ash can't do more than burn Neji to death. Hell it can't even do that.

Yes I know.

It's ash. It can hide Asuma behind it. Be kinda hard to hit a target you can't see.
Gosh, golly and gee willikers. If only Neji had some sort of xray vision type ability that lets him see things even if something is obstructing his normal vision. A sort of eye based ability. An ability that made his eyes white. A "White Eye" or "Byakugan" if you will. Oh wait he does have something like that doesn't he? How about that.

But, Asuma uses Burning ash, Neji knocks Asuma down with Empty Palm, Neji runs through the ash and is then burned to a crisp.

Neji stoically endures the pain in order to finish off Asuma. UFJ#546 isn't remotely lethal, otherwise Hidan would have been totally incapacitated and by extension Asuma would have been totally dead.

[The 1st Hokage]

Yes I know. Nice way to screw the quote up.


Gosh, golly and gee willikers. If only Neji had some sort of xray vision type ability that lets him see things even if something is obstructing his normal vision. A sort of eye based ability. An ability that made his eyes white. A "White Eye" or "Byakugan" if you will. Oh wait he does have something like that doesn't he? How about that.
Oh damn, I forgot about that. :roll:



Neji stoically endures the pain in order to finish off Asuma. UFJ#546 isn't remotely lethal, otherwise Hidan would have been totally incapacitated and by extension Asuma would have been totally dead.
Oh yes, Neji has shown the ability to tank over building busting atacks. Wait, no he hasn't. Neji can't tank crap, and even if he can tank Burning Ash, what the likeliness that he can still kill Asuma without getting a face full of trench knife.

[Nyruss]

Nice way to screw the quote up.

You say screwed up, I say made more factual.


Oh yes, Neji has shown the ability to tank over building busting atacks


So the ash that failed to do more than singe human flesh can destroy entire buildings now? I don't think.

I hereby arbitrarily proclaim my victory, based on little more than the fact that I say so. Good day, sir.

[The 1st Hokage]

You say screwed up, I say made more factual.



So the ash that failed to do more than singe human flesh can destroy entire buildings now? I don't think.

I hereby arbitrarily proclaim my victory, based on little more than the fact that I say so. Good day, sir.
So the fact that Neji could stop Asuma's heart with 2 arms that are burned to hell is one of most retarded thing I think you've ever said. Asuma was reacting to Hidan, so what makes you think that Asuma can't react to Neji and lop his arm of?

[Akatsuki X]

This is the most evenly debated match I have seen in a while.

I say they both die, and we all stop fighting and have some tea. `:)

[coil]

The Empty Palm will just give Asuma more room to use burning ash. Even if burning ash doesn't kill Neji, how can you expect him to move free as a bird? Especially since Asuma has shown more speed. So Asuma burns Neji, Neji is badly injured, Asuma cuts his head off.

[Shikamaru Nara]

I was called a troll either though i was the last to forget about Neji. My point being that Asuma can fight close range and long range when Neji can only fight close range.

you obviously didn't pay much attention because sometime after i brought up the fact that Asuma could hold his own against Kisame and that Neji can't, i was called stupid and a troll, it was said that i am defending Asuma because i am biased and a fanboy, all before i started flaming. Saying that everyone else is trying to debate while i am flaming is hypocritical.

Lol at the null rep you gave me.

Asuma has 1 far ranged jutsu, he's not a hard ranged king.

[coil]

Lol at the null rep you gave me.

Asuma has 1 far ranged jutsu, he's not a hard ranged king.
I am glad you liked it.

He's a better mid range fighter then Neji is. Neji's mid range jutsu is only good to keep Asuma away, which isn't good at all for his way of fighting. Asuma's mid range jutsu will actually do damage.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Not if Neji's mid ranged justsu tanks Asuma's.

[coil]

Is Neji just going to air palm Asuma all day? He will run out of chakra. The most he could do with that jutsu is push Asuma back. Neji could try running at him with the gental fist but Asuma has shown more speed and he uses chakra imbuing knives which makes taijutsu risky for Neji.

[Nyruss]

Yes, I know Neji wins, coil. But thanks for agreeing with me all the same. :)

[Shikamaru Nara]

Is Asuma going to just try to stab Neji all day? He will run out of Chakra. That's all he needs to do. He pushes Asuma into a tree or something and attacks his chakra nodes/pressure points. Asuma is low sonic, Neji is Transonic. Big whoop. He doesn't have a big enough speed advantage to blitz him, so what are you getting at?

[Kuromaki]

Is Asuma going to just try to stab Neji all day? He will run out of Chakra. That's all he needs to do. He pushes Asuma into a tree or something and attacks his chakra nodes/pressure points. Asuma is low sonic, Neji is Transonic. Big whoop. He doesn't have a big enough speed advantage to blitz him, so what are you getting at?
Where did you get the idea that Neji is transonic?

And no Asuma can just wait for the right opportunity. There are no trees in the default environment.

[Nyruss]

There's a building in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Walls will do just as well as trees.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

There's a building in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Walls will do just as well as trees.
I thought that the Hyperbolic Time Chamber as only a flat ground with no obstacles around?

Where did you get the idea that Neji is transonic?

And no Asuma can just wait for the right opportunity. There are no trees in the default environment.

Default also means each character is bloodlusted, so they'll both go for the kill.

[Nyruss]

It is by and large, but there's a building right at the entrance. It's not very big just a few rooms. Like three tops.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

It is by and large, but there's a building right at the entrance. It's not very big just a few rooms. Like three tops.

I'm pretty sure it was only an empty, flat plane.

[Nyruss]

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/The_Hyperbolic_Time_Chamber

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Well, I'll just trust you. /Shrugs

EDIT: I see.

[Nyruss]

You don't have to trust me. I've given a link with pictoral evidence.

Chapter 490 page 2. Goten and Trunks are in the HTC and the building is in the background.

[coil]

That's assuming trees or walls are near. Miles never gave a location so for all we know this could this could take place in an area where there are no trees or building around.

[Nyruss]

Air pressure and temperature vary wildly in the deeper reaches of the HTC, only near the entrance does it meet normal conditions. Since these normal conditions are the goal, it stands to reason that they start near the entrance.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Where did you get the idea that Neji is transonic?

And no Asuma can just wait for the right opportunity. There are no trees in the default environment.

He's faster than the eye can see, low transonic??

[Nyruss]

Faster than the eye is somewhere in the general neighbourhood of 89m/s. Sound is 340 m/s.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Damn, i'm still working on my speeds, so I'm off here and there.

[ByakuganAlex]

neji wins if. neji is in ash he air palms himself out or air palms ash back at asuma then with asuma blinded he closes in, either way neji wins with moderate difficulty.

[colorles]

lets face it Neji has gotten massively trolled by kishi

i'm gonna make a neji gauntlet thread in which Neji is allowed hype and what he should be having not been trolled by Kishi (he should have been in ANBU, and a captain at that)

[Miles Edgeworth]

neji wins if. neji is in ash he air palms himself out or air palms ash back at asuma then with asuma blinded he closes in, either way neji wins with moderate difficulty.

How in the world would Neji use Air Palm on the ash quickly enough to get it near Asuma to blind him when Asuma can easily get out of the way and slash Neji?

Moderate difficulty? If Neji takes this at all it's with much more than "moderate" difficulty. Asuma was keeping up with Hidan, and Neji's done what, failed to avoid Kidomaru's arrows?

Until Neji gets some real feats here, Asuma should be able to take this with difficulty.

[ByakuganAlex]

how much help did asuma get again lol. asuma has little feats. neji tanked two arrows. how is asuma going to dodge ash and some how close in? one neji would either be hidden or right there ready.

[Miles Edgeworth]

how much help did asuma get again lol. asuma has little feats. neji tanked two arrows. how is asuma going to dodge ash and some how close in? one neji would either be hidden or right there ready.

It doesn't matter how much help he got, he was keeping up with Hidan for a while even before Shikamaru did much, and Shikamaru isn't that good. Izumo and Kotetsu are fodder so I don't see your point. Do note Kakuzu was there too.

Neji in no way tanked them. He could barely move and only killed Kidomaru because of sudden PNJ boost.

How would Neji attack Asuma so quickly? Asuma's got the better speed and the better range. Neji is at a disadvantage.

[ByakuganAlex]

kakuzu wasn't fighting. neji kept up with KN. which is a better feat than asuma with help. people stated neji to be transonic and asuma to be low sonic so neji wins in speed too.

[ByakuganAlex]

plus asuma and neji have the same range. sorry for the double post but I am mobile.

[The 1st Hokage]

neji wins if. neji is in ash he air palms himself out or air palms ash back at asuma then with asuma blinded he closes in, either way neji wins with moderate difficulty.
This makes no grammatical sense. Neji Air Palming himself out? This would hurt himself. There's no proof that it wouldn't. It's gonna take more than an Air Palm to blow away a large cloud of ash. Neji is burned then chopped up.

how much help did asuma get again lol. asuma has little feats. neji tanked two arrows. how is asuma going to dodge ash and some how close in? one neji would either be hidden or right there ready.
He kept us with Hidan. 2 fodders along with Shikamaru and Shika was just using Shadow Sewing, not like they were both out there attacking Hidan. Asuma went 1 on 1 with Hidan. Neji didn't neccassarily tank the arrows, he was immobilized by them.

kakuzu wasn't fighting. neji kept up with KN. which is a better feat than asuma with help. people stated neji to be transonic and asuma to be low sonic so neji wins in speed too.
By kept up with KN0, you mean knocked out by KN0, then yes I agree with you.

[Miles Edgeworth]

kakuzu wasn't fighting. neji kept up with KN. which is a better feat than asuma with help. people stated neji to be transonic and asuma to be low sonic so neji wins in speed too.

Halfway through he was.

By kept up you mean he could hardly see and had trouble using Rotation because of a kunai interception by Naruto. Yeah, that's really not keeping up.

Lol at Naruto at that time beating Hidan without any sort of summon or help.

ROFL at Neji being transonic. Proof, now. Asuma is sonic because he can keep up with Hidan, in no way has Neji ever shown anything close to sonic speed. If he was transonic he would be faster than Lee and that is blatant fanboyism.

plus asuma and neji have the same range. sorry for the double post but I am mobile.

Same range? Asuma has his fire jutsu and his chakra blades, both which are more than simple melee range. The only jutsu Neji has more than melee range is the nigh-useless Empty Palm.

[ByakuganAlex]

neji traded shots with kn you can't argue that so yes he did keep up with him. only reason neji couldn't use kaiten was cuz of pnj. air palm pushed pushed kisame far w. samehada slowing him down.

[ByakuganAlex]

where does it indicate in the manga he hardly kept up with kn. most likely you are going by the anime because i don't know what your talking about.

[ByakuganAlex]

Faster than the eye is somewhere in the general neighbourhood of 89m/s. Sound is 340 m/s.
the human eye can see much faster than 216 miles per hour. the actual spped is around 1000 miles per hour.

[Nyruss]

You can, of course, prove it.

[The 1st Hokage]

Triple posting isn't cool

Also, prove that the eye can see faster than the speed of sound.

[ByakuganAlex]

Triple posting isn't cool

Also, prove that the eye can see faster than the speed of sound.
the human eye can see photons of light (2-6) what makes you think it can't see faster than speed of sound. we have supersonic jets. how come we can see thoses???? size righht. Now bullets fire at trans to supersonic speeds. why don't we those???? their size. the human eye on average see 120 fps (frames per second) so 1000 mph is a great estimate. saying the eye can only see 216 mph is sad. why have nascar or drag races if you can't even see the cars or its all i big blur....I am not sure if i can post links so I won't.

[Akatsuki X]

the human eye can see photons of light (2-6) what makes you think it can't see faster than speed of sound. we have supersonic jets. how come we can see thoses???? size righht. Now bullets fire at trans to supersonic speeds. why don't we those???? their size. the human eye on average see 120 fps (frames per second) so 1000 mph is a great estimate. saying the eye can only see 216 mph is sad. why have nascar or drag races if you can't even see the cars or its all i big blur....I am not sure if i can post links so I won't.

Tell me which Earth you live on.
I would like to see these supersonic jets of yours.

Cause as far as I know, we only have sonic jets.

And if we did have supersonic jets,
ohh well I'll be darned,
we wouldn't be able to see them.

[Nyruss]

Still waiting for solid proof. Calculations, supporting facts, corroborating opinions from scientists and such like. Without any of those, you're wong. :)

[ByakuganAlex]

Tell me which Earth you live on.
I would like to see these supersonic jets of yours.

Cause as far as I know, we only have sonic jets.

And if we did have supersonic jets,
ohh well I'll be darned,
we wouldn't be able to see them.
how old are you and have you been living under a rock lol jk
we do have supersonic jets. you can probably youtube one

[Akatsuki X]

Probably older than you.

They are just called supersonic.
They aren't truly supersonic.

Fastest recorded jet at mach 3.5

[ByakuganAlex]

Still waiting for solid proof. Calculations, supporting facts, corroborating opinions from scientists and such like. Without any of those, you're wong. :)
so you are saying that a person can't see anything going faster than 216 mph <.< why do I even bother. you convert 120 frames per second into mph if you want exact data.

[Nyruss]

Since ByakuganAlex has ignored repeated requests to support his claims, they are hereby invalidated. :)

[ByakuganAlex]

Probably older than you.

They are just called supersonic.
They aren't truly supersonic.

Fastest recorded jet at mach 3.5
hope your 18+
you do realise supersonic is from mach 1 to mach 5 right????
and the fastest jet recoreded is at mach 9.6 set by Nasa's X-43A

[Akatsuki X]

I suppose your correct,
but that would actually make the fastest jet hypersonic.

Because it's over Mach 5.

[ByakuganAlex]

I suppose your correct,
but that would actually make the fastest jet hypersonic.

Because it's over Mach 5.
yup. I reason knew that was because I had to write a 12 page page on technological improvements

[The 1st Hokage]

As far as I know, Black Hawk Jets are Supersonic+, but Jets are quite a bit larger than a human. Now, to say 216 MPH is faster than the eye can see is saying NASCAR would be damn near invisible. Now with all this said, Neji could be, maybe about 300+ MPH. Now this is just a guess, and in all honesty, I feel it is a stretch, but Asuma has much better speed feats.

[ByakuganAlex]

As far as I know, Black Hawk Jets are Supersonic+, but Jets are quite a bit larger than a human. Now, to say 216 MPH is faster than the eye can see is saying NASCAR would be damn near invisible. Now with all this said, Neji could be, maybe about 300+ MPH. Now this is just a guess, and in all honesty, I feel it is a stretch, but Asuma has much better speed feats.
a kawasaki ninja goes 250 mph, i should know lol jk or no not :mrgreen:. saying 300+ is still way too low. can everyone agree on 700 mph?? what speed feats does asuma have I want a chapter and number. i hope its not ch 323 page 11-12. neji showed a better feat way back in 104 pg 8
yay 1200 posts

[The 1st Hokage]

700 is very close to Supersonic. I highly doubt that.

As for Asuma's speed, He kept up with Hidan, and Hidan stayed with Kakashi. Neji threw a kunai. Big deal.

[ByakuganAlex]

700 is very close to Supersonic. I highly doubt that.

As for Asuma's speed, He kept up with Hidan, and Hidan stayed with Kakashi. Neji threw a kunai. Big deal.
how about 650 then???
he didn't just thow a kunai. they dashed at each other, each unable to do any damage. unlike asuma, kakashi actually fought both of them.

[The 1st Hokage]

My mistake. They clashed. How is it speed? At that moment you would need strength, not speed. If anything, I'd put Neji at 400mph at most.

[ByakuganAlex]

My mistake. They clashed. How is it speed? At that moment you would need strength, not speed. If anything, I'd put Neji at 400mph at most.
so you put asuma at 700+ and Neji at that???
People say Asuma is sonic so i guess he moves 768 mph <.<
what speed do you say lee is?
that was def. more speed the ending was more about strenght.

[The 1st Hokage]

so you put asuma at 700+ and Neji at that???
People say Asuma is sonic so i guess he moves 768 mph <.<
what speed do you say lee is?
that was def. more speed the ending was more about strenght.
I never said Asuma was 700+, Lee is most likely Supersonic+ with Gates but that is irrelavent. 768 is a little over Supersonic. I've never been great when it comes to speed, but I know Asuma's faster than Neji.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Ignoring actual direct calculations and the like, I still don't see how Neji is as fast as Asuma in the slightest.

Since all that's being done regarding speed here is guesswork, it's best not to bother with direct numbers and go with what we've seen from the manga.

Unless I'm given some actual proof or calcs, I'm not going to just assume Neji's speed. However, Asuma keeping up with Hidan is much better than what I have seen from Neji.

[ByakuganAlex]

neji kept up with KN. even fpr a while. KN is faster than Hidan. Asuma had help and couldn't. READ THE MANGA AGAIN. which part does it show ASUMA keeping up Hidan by himself for a long period?

[ByakuganAlex]

768 mph is sonic speed exactly. there is no high low. sorry again i am mobile. transonic would a better thing to use.

[coil]

neji kept up with KN. even fpr a while. KN is faster than Hidan. Asuma had help and couldn't. READ THE MANGA AGAIN. which part does it show ASUMA keeping up Hidan by himself for a long period?
Didn't he cut off Hidens head? Neji did hold his own against kyubi Naruto, so idk what to say to that.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Didn't he cut off Hidens head? Neji did hold his own against kyubi Naruto, so idk what to say to that.
lol 0tailed PTS Kyuubi Naruto that still basically speedblitzed him. Not a good feat.

[Miles Edgeworth]

neji kept up with KN. even fpr a while. KN is faster than Hidan. Asuma had help and couldn't. READ THE MANGA AGAIN. which part does it show ASUMA keeping up Hidan by himself for a long period?

If by kept up with him, you mean failed to counter him and couldn't complete a Rotation because of one of his kunai slashes, yeah he "kept up" pretty well.

Prove Naruto is faster than Hidan. In no way is Pre Skip Naruto, ESPECIALLY that early, faster than Hidan.

Asuma kept up with Hidan long enough to show that he can casually keep up with Neji.

[ByakuganAlex]

dude reread the manga. there is no kunai slash. naruto flickered on page Hidan didn't. there is no manga ref to prove Asuma kept up, face facts. Neji clased with KN so no he wasn't speedblitzed.

[Miles Edgeworth]

dude reread the manga. there is no kunai slash. naruto flickered on page Hidan didn't. there is no manga ref to prove Asuma kept up, face facts. Neji clased with KN so no he wasn't speedblitzed.

Turns out he didn't use a kunai after all, but he charged in and punched. Still doesn't change a thing, Naruto was a ble to intercept Neji with a freaking punch, I'd say that Asuma's chakra knives would more likely cut off Neji's hand than allow him to use Rotation.

So the artist's drawing style somehow proves how fast someone is? Raikage rarely flickered on page while Lee did, does that mean Lee is faster than the Raikage is?

Asuma did keep up, in no way did Hidan ever have a speed advantage against Asuma. Give me a manga reference where Hidan was ever blitzing Asuma.

By "clash" you mean got stopped by a freaking punch. Oh yeah, great feats on Neji's part.

[Neji Hyuga, Hyuga Clan]

Turns out he didn't use a kunai after all, but he charged in and punched. Still doesn't change a thing, Naruto was a ble to intercept Neji with a freaking punch, I'd say that Asuma's chakra knives would more likely cut off Neji's hand than allow him to use Rotation.

So the artist's drawing style somehow proves how fast someone is? Raikage rarely flickered on page while Lee did, does that mean Lee is faster than the Raikage is?

Asuma did keep up, in no way did Hidan ever have a speed advantage against Asuma. Give me a manga reference where Hidan was ever blitzing Asuma.

By "clash" you mean got stopped by a freaking punch. Oh yeah, great feats on Neji's part.


Rotation would keep Asuma at bay. Empty Palm would keep him far off. Gentle Fist would kill him. Neji's speed is equal to Sasuke's as proved in the DB. Db are proof. That's all I have to say here.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Rotation would keep Asuma at bay. Empty Palm would keep him far off. Gentle Fist would kill him. Neji's speed is equal to Sasuke's as proved in the DB. Db are proof. That's all I have to say here.

*SIGH, another one debating by databooks. When will this end?

Anyways, yes Rotation will keep Asuma at bay. However, nothing's stopping Asuma from using his chakra enforced knife from stabbing Neji in the head after he's done rotating.

[Raiku]

Neji. Asuma is a cool character but in terms of jutsu and close combat, Neji has him beat.

[coil]

Rotation would keep Asuma at bay. Empty Palm would keep him far off. Gentle Fist would kill him. Neji's speed is equal to Sasuke's as proved in the DB. Db are proof. That's all I have to say here.
Don't use the data books, no one here will take you seriously. I used the same argument and even the mods said that we only use feats on this site. Besides it says Asuma's speed is equal to Sasuke's also.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Rotation would keep Asuma at bay. Empty Palm would keep him far off. Gentle Fist would kill him. Neji's speed is equal to Sasuke's as proved in the DB. Db are proof. That's all I have to say here.

How would it keep him at bay? If a punch could cause trouble for Rotation then why wouldn't a chakra knife just cut off Neji's arm?

Empty Palm makes things harder for Neji than for Asuma.

Gentle Fist can't kill what it can't hit.

If you're going to use the fallacious databooks then actually read them, Asuma and Neji both have a 4.5 so your speed argument here is garbage.

[tanduhman]

databooks cant be backed up with feats from the manga so they are pointless, and the BG strictly only uses manga feats anyways so take that poop outta here please.

As for the speed issue that you all present... I will agree that asuma did dodge alot of hidans attacks, because they became pretty perdictable to him. But also know that asuma had shikimarus shadow following hidan throughout the whole fight.

Try fighting someone slower than you, but at the same time have a shadow chasing you in which you have to divert your eyes from the enemy, to the ground. IMO it would make it ALOT harder to fight that person which shows how asuma probably does not have the same speed at hidan.

[Miles Edgeworth]

databooks cant be backed up with feats from the manga so they are pointless, and the BG strictly only uses manga feats anyways so take that poop outta here please.

As for the speed issue that you all present... I will agree that asuma did dodge alot of hidans attacks, because they became pretty perdictable to him. But also know that asuma had shikimarus shadow following hidan throughout the whole fight.

Try fighting someone slower than you, but at the same time have a shadow chasing you in which you have to divert your eyes from the enemy, to the ground. IMO it would make it ALOT harder to fight that person which shows how asuma probably does not have the same speed at hidan.

The shadows were semi problematic, but it's not like Shikamaru is that much of a threat. Honestly if Shikamaru lacked his intelligence he would basically be fodder, because his techniques are best suited for team situations, but even with teams his best use is his intelligence. If Shikamaru didn't learn Hidan's abilities then chances are he would have been nigh-useless.

Shikamaru's shadows aren't very fast either, Shikamaru always has to use tricks and strategies to catch even the slowest of opponents with it.

I understand what you're saying though, fighting off Asuma as well as dodging shadows is difficult. Even still, there were not spammed occasions in which both were done at once, and Hidan is faster than Asuma anyway.

[tanduhman]

The shadows were semi problematic, but it's not like Shikamaru is that much of a threat. Honestly if Shikamaru lacked his intelligence he would basically be fodder, because his techniques are best suited for team situations, but even with teams his best use is his intelligence. If Shikamaru didn't learn Hidan's abilities then chances are he would have been nigh-useless.

Shikamaru's shadows aren't very fast either, Shikamaru always has to use tricks and strategies to catch even the slowest of opponents with it.

I understand what you're saying though, fighting off Asuma as well as dodging shadows is difficult. Even still, there were not spammed occasions in which both were done at once, and Hidan is faster than Asuma anyway.

yah I know that shikamarus jutsu etc are basically worthless XD its all in his brain rlly.

But even than whether or not if the shadow is fast or mid speed or even slow it will prove itself to be a nuisance in the battle showing how hidan would have to divert part of his attention and movements because of the shadow. Which basically means that hidan cant use his full FREE range of motion against asuma.

thanks for agreeing

[Miles Edgeworth]

yah I know that shikamarus jutsu etc are basically worthless XD its all in his brain rlly.

But even than whether or not if the shadow is fast or mid speed or even slow it will prove itself to be a nuisance in the battle showing how hidan would have to divert part of his attention and movements because of the shadow. Which basically means that hidan cant use his full FREE range of motion against asuma.

thanks for agreeing

Pretty much, Shikamaru has always been known for intelligence rather than anything else.

That is true, Hidan had quite some trouble having to deal with both of those. Hidan definitely could have taken out Asuma more quickly if it was one-on-one but it's not like he would've curbstomped or anything, Asuma could've competed to an extent.

[tanduhman]

Pretty much, Shikamaru has always been known for intelligence rather than anything else.

That is true, Hidan had quite some trouble having to deal with both of those. Hidan definitely could have taken out Asuma more quickly if it was one-on-one but it's not like he would've curbstomped or anything, Asuma could've competed to an extent.

oh yah i agree with that too.. asuma could last against hidan for a decent amount of time before getting killed. Im just trying to get at the point that the shadow limited hidans movement, and speed somewhat.

as for the battle I would also say that asuma has a good chance against neji because of his ash cloud. his rotation, and his air palm cant push it all away, and theres a time interval between each rotation in which asuma could blow him to shreds. with nejiis low durability i would think that he would be swept away from one blast.

asumas knives have shown the capability of easily piercing through trees. why cant they pierce through an air palm into nejis heart again?

[ByakuganAlex]

where in the manga does it show asuma and hidan fighting alone for a long period of time because I don't know what you are reading. Neji wins.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

where in the manga does it show asuma and hidan fighting alone for a long period of time because I don't know what you are reading. Neji wins.
The beginning of the Hidan and Kakuzu arc -_-"

[Miles Edgeworth]

where in the manga does it show asuma and hidan fighting alone for a long period of time because I don't know what you are reading. Neji wins.

Where in the manga has Neji shown any speed feats that would reasonably allow him to kill Asuma with as much ease as you claim?

Nowhere, that's where.

Long period of time is unnecessary, Asuma kept up with Hidan long enough to show he is competent enough to kill Neji, and nobody has reasonably proven otherwise.