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Nyruss
07-12-2010, 08:14 PM
The third in a ten part series of Gin fights in order to flesh out his win/loss listing.

Both sides get full knowledge. CIS is off. They both get prep. No Totsuka(substituting it with a normal sword like Sasuke's Susanoo has) or Amaterasu for Itachi. Speed equal.

Fight takes place in Newkama Land.

Yori
07-12-2010, 08:20 PM
Gin rapes with Kami. Or shikai Shinsou.

Nyruss
07-12-2010, 08:27 PM
Susanoo's shield > stabbety death.

Yori
07-12-2010, 08:29 PM
Susanoo's shield > stabbety death.

No proof that Susanoo shield can take a big attack. Sasuke and his lame attempt failed badly. Everything has a breaking point.

That Dude
07-12-2010, 08:31 PM
Close but no cigar, Susanoo can't defend against everything.

Nyruss
07-12-2010, 08:35 PM
It doesn't need to defend against everything, but it has certainly shown able to defend against anything Kamishini no Yari has to offer.

Show me one feat of KnY that even remotely compares to Kirin.

Hidan of the Mist
07-12-2010, 09:16 PM
Itachi can also use genjustu and kill gin unless gin knew how to get out right away
its over by sharingon can read his movements anyways so no speed biltz there

Nyruss
07-12-2010, 09:18 PM
Speed is equal so speedblitz aint happening either way. If speed weren't equal it wouldn't matter if Itachi could read Gin's movements or not, he'd still be boned.

J-Sun Tasogare
07-12-2010, 09:51 PM
Bankai Speed>Susanoo

Lone Wolf
07-12-2010, 09:53 PM
Bankai Speed>Susanoo

Again.

How do you know his Bankai when you just finished the SS arc?

J-Sun Tasogare
07-12-2010, 09:55 PM
Because I'm a good enough debater to research my topic before I post http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2d6mz611.png

And I know it was faster than sound, when the sword increases in size.

Nyruss
07-12-2010, 10:03 PM
Since he's got prep, Itachi would of course activate Susanoo before Gin could actually attack with bankai.

J-Sun Tasogare
07-12-2010, 10:05 PM
Then Gin gets bankai and bashes through it.

Nyruss
07-12-2010, 10:06 PM
With what destructive feats that surpass Kirin?

J-Sun Tasogare
07-12-2010, 10:08 PM
Okay, I was wrong there, but what can Itachi do to hurt Gin, befor Susanoo runs out, not that he's shown to be able to do attacks while in Susanoo

Nyruss
07-12-2010, 10:10 PM
You may want to reread his short fight with Orochimaru during his epic curbstomping of Sasuke. Itachi doesn't have the soul-raping sword but I've provided him with a generic substitute and he is more than capable of attacking with Susanoo.

J-Sun Tasogare
07-12-2010, 10:15 PM
After you edited it =P

Nyruss
07-12-2010, 10:23 PM
I'd originally intended to add a weapon anyway, this is just tyingt up loose ends, not changing the rule to alter the outcome. Im not Skylar or Tourune. http://i39.tinypic.com/29gn6yq.gif

J-Sun Tasogare
07-12-2010, 10:46 PM
Though even with the sword I doubt he is fast enough to catch Gin

Nyruss
07-13-2010, 12:08 AM
Speed equal, mes ami.

gama-sennin
07-13-2010, 01:01 AM
You may want to reread his short fight with Orochimaru during his epic curbstomping of Sasuke. Itachi doesn't have the soul-raping sword but I've provided him with a generic substitute and he is more than capable of attacking with Susanoo.

Orochimaru was over-confident and ignorant about Itachi's abilities which is most important here. Gin has full knowledge so he will try to evade the sword instead of letting it run through himself.
Even if Itachi is capable of attacking with susanoo, his movements are slower than his normal speed. Also susanoo drains out chakra faster and hence Itachi wont be bale to keep it for too long. Without amaterasu and with equal speed(which is actually a plus) Itachi has too many limitations to survive against someone like Gin.

J-Sun Tasogare
07-13-2010, 07:41 AM
Speed equal, mes ami.
Susanoo is slower the Itachi.

Teddie
07-13-2010, 07:59 AM
There's also the whole Mach 500 thing.
Which is, ya know, uber fast.
So if he gets prep, and activates Susano-o, then Gin's just gotta wait it out. He can parry anything thrown at him from however many miles away, and just keep waiting for Itachi to run out of chakra, and the decapitate him instantly.

Shino Hatake
07-13-2010, 08:02 AM
Susanoo's shield > stabbety death.
Kami moving faster than sound. Sussano takes prep. No time. Itachi dies. GG

gama-sennin
07-13-2010, 08:10 AM
Kami moving faster than sound. Sussano takes prep. No time. Itachi dies. GG

Actually they both get Prep time so Itachi will be able to activate susanoo. But Itachi will die nevertheless.

Yori
07-13-2010, 08:14 AM
Itachi stamina sucks. SO keeping Susanoo on the field will not be long, and Giin is skilled enough to dodge Susanoo sword attacks.

Nyruss
07-13-2010, 09:38 AM
Susanoo is slower the Itachi.


I don't remember this.

gama-sennin
07-13-2010, 12:47 PM
I don't remember this.

Not really surprised that you don't remember. :p

No character has ever shown any speed feats in susanoo mode. The only known movements are

1. Itachi walked a little towards sasuke and that was about as fast as a dying man can walk.(chapter 393 page 07)
2. Sasuke jumped a little (chapter 479 page 13), but I don't think these things count as speed feats.

All these battles have been close-mid range ones.

In your scenario the opponent Gin has all the prep time needed to use kami (I hope you know that the blade can extend for miles instantly) so Itachi will have to use susanoo for his defense.

Now this is where the battle will be decided. This battle can be close/mid/long range depending on Gin. Going by BG rules there is no reason to say that Itachi can run with susanoo(never shown in manga).

So Gin wins by cutting Itachi in half the moment he loses susanoo protection.