Androids 16, 17 + 18 vs. Majin Vegeta

[Tourune]

Location: Earth

Restrictions: none

Distance: 90 Meters

Acceptions: Equal Speed

[The 1st Hokage]

Big Bang attack. GG androids

[Miles Edgeworth]

I'd say Majin Vegeta takes this pretty easily.

Considering a SSJ2 Gohan was fighting off Cell, SSJ2 Vegeta should be able to fight off the weaker Androids 16-18. Android 16 was unable to fight off Perfect Cell, while SSJ2 Gohan could, and Android 17's best showings were fighting off Piccolo, who he probably would only beat due to unlimited energy.

[Narutorious]

Vegeta had been much stronger than the Androids ever since the Room of Spirit & Time, Majin Vegeta is stronger than Super Perfect Cell & Ssj2 Gohan, he wouldn't even break a sweat destroying them.

[MysticGoten]

I'd say Majin Vegeta takes this pretty easily.

Considering a SSJ2 Gohan was fighting off Cell, SSJ2 Vegeta should be able to fight off the weaker Androids 16-18. Android 16 was unable to fight off Perfect Cell, while SSJ2 Gohan could, and Android 17's best showings were fighting off Piccolo, who he probably would only beat due to unlimited energy.
What.
Vegeta never went Super Saiya-jin two!
Never! Never!

[Narutorious]

What.
Vegeta never went Super Saiya-jin two!
Never! Never!




Yes he did, we just never seen it until he fought Goku. People assumed that the Majin power up transform him to Ssj2, but he was already a Ssj2, the Majin power up had made Ssj2 Vegeta equal to Ssj2 Goku.

Ssj2 Goku = Majin Vegeta > Ssj2 Vegeta

[MysticGoten]

World Guides...?
You mean the Daizenshuu...? (The ultimate Dragon Ball guidebooks from Japan)
Daizenshuu 2 states that these are the ONLY forms of Vegeta:
VEGETA He becomes strong in order to defeat Son Goku.
Vegeta originally came to Earth seeking the dragonballs. He is very proud, perhaps because he was the prince of Planet Vegeta, and he burns with an abnormal rivalry toward Goku after Goku became stronger than him. With the objective of winning against Goku in battle, Vegeta grew through the harsh training he underwent for that goal.

INVASION ERA / VOL. 18~28 During this period he worked as one of Freeza's underlings and invaded numerous planets. As he battled Goku and Freeza's men, he rapidly powered up due to the Saiyans' special characteristics.

Vol. 17 / Chp. 204Hearing Piccolo and Raditz's conversation, they head towards Earth in order to gain eternal life and youth from the dragonballs. Vol. 20 / Chp. 232~233Creating a moon on his own, he transforms into an Oozaru while retaining his own mind.
STAYING ON EARTH ERA / VOL. 28~42 Returning from Planet Namek, he ended up living at Bulma's house. Vowing to defeat Goku, he trains in a gravity room developed by Dr. Brief.

Vol. 28 / Chp. 329Staying at Bulma's house, he even adapts to life on Earth.
SUPER SAIYAN / VOL. 29+ As he trained to defeat the Artificial Humans, he finally acquired the ability to become Super Saiyan. However, he was completely unable to scratch Artificial Humans No. 17 and No. 18.

Vol. 29 / Chp. 343Through anger at his own limits, he became a Super Saiyan.
SUPER SAIYAN SECOND GRADE / VOL. 32+ A Super Saiyan state he attained while training with Trunks in the Room of Spirit and Time. He posses power greater than Cell had after absorbing No. 17, and an uneven battle unfolded between them.

Vol. 32 / Chp. 375They looked for an even higher grade that surpassed Super Saiyan.
PRINCE OF DESTRUCTION / VOL. 38+ Vegeta knew that Goku was stronger than him, but through Babidi's magic he reached this powered up form. His battle power is enough to match Goku's Super Saiyan 2 form.

Vol. 38 / Chp. 456Willingly being manipulated by Babidi, he obtains power.

[Narutorious]

Yes, they're called the World Guides translated, but I meant to say that it's been confirmed in the manga indirectly, I edited it. The World Guides(Daizenshuus) shows the Vegeta's appearances in the manga as the story evolves, not necessary the Ssj forms, so you wouldn't see a Ssj2 Vegeta before he was a Majin.

[Kurodo Akabane]

How in the world is SSJ2 Vegeta weaker than Majin Vegeta when they're the same? Majin Vegeta is only brainwashed and more ruthless, but that matters not as Bloodlust is defult.

[MysticGoten]

Confirmed in the manga indirectly?
Are you saying someone said that Vegeta can go ssj2?

[MysticGoten]

BTW, you're wrong. World Guide...?
Dai. Zen. Shuu.
Big/Great. All/Everything. Collection.
You must not know Japanese.

You're talking to one of the owners of these himself.
Do you mean Daizenshuu 4?
Daizenshuu 1-Complete Illustrations
2-Story Guide
3-TV Animation Part 1
4-WORLD GUIDE
5-TV Aniation Part 2
6-Movies and Specials
7-Encyclopedia
Bonus Daizenshuu
8-Cardass Book 1
9-Cardass Book 2
10-TV Animation part 3

Sorry, I must go.

[Twilight Original]

BTW, you're wrong. World Guide...?
Dai. Zen. Shuu.
Big/Great. All/Everything. Collection.
You must not know Japanese.

You're talking to one of the owners of these himself.
Do you mean Daizenshuu 4?
Daizenshuu 1-Complete Illustrations
2-Story Guide
3-TV Animation Part 1
4-WORLD GUIDE
5-TV Aniation Part 2
6-Movies and Specials
7-Encyclopedia
Bonus Daizenshuu
8-Cardass Book 1
9-Cardass Book 2
10-TV Animation part 3

Sorry, I must go.Vegeta does go Super Sayin-jin 2. Here is a list of Vegeta powers, through out the seasons:
Season 1 (During this period he worked as one of Freeza's underlings and invaded numerous planets. As he battled Goku and Freeza's men, he rapidly powered up due to the Saiyans' special characteristics.
): Vegeta Scouter:


Season 2 (Returning from Planet Namek, he ended up living at Bulma's house. Vowing to defeat Goku, he trains in a gravity room developed by Dr. Brief.):Vegeta:

Season 3 (As he trained to defeat the Artificial Humans, he finally acquired the ability to become Super Saiyan. However, he was completely unable to scratch Artificial Humans No. 17 and No. 18.):
Vegeta:
Vegeta SS: Season 1, of 3 (A Super Saiyan state he attained while training with Trunks in the Room of Spirit and Time. He posses power greater than Cell had after absorbing No. 17, and an uneven battle unfolded between them.):Super Vegeta/SS2 Vegeta:

Season 4 (Vegeta knew that Goku was stronger than him, but through Babidi's magic he reached this powered up form. His battle power is enough to match Goku's Super Saiyan 2 form.):Majin Vegeta:


Also, Super Vegeta is SS2 Vegeta and do you want to know how? Go to this link right here (http://www.kanzentai.com/guide/book/daiz/02/grow_up/vegeta_ssj2.jpg). In the top, it says the name of the page is ''Vegeta SS2''. Like this:http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6181/vegetasss2.jpg In the top it says that, which means when Vegeta when he was fighting Cell, he was known as Super Vegeta. Look at his uniform now. He has Sayain uniform. At Majin Buu Saga, he wears a different outfit that makes him a SS2 Vegeta. The only difference is the name, and the out fit.

[MysticGoten]

That's not proof! The Daizenshuu, which are the most important and sought after databooks state that he never went Super Saiya-jin 2.
You're wrong, it's as simple as that. It DOES state that Majin Vegeta is as strong as Goku's SSJ2 form, though.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Those guide books may be pretty accurate, but just read the manga. During Vegeta's fight with Kid Buu, it clearly shows electricity surrounding his body constantly. That signifies SSJ2. Majin Vegeta can ultimately be summarized as a bloodlusted, ruthless Vegeta, much different than how he was before during the Buu arc. The anime didn't show Vegeta with electricity during the fight, but that can be explained due to budget restraints. SSJ3 Goku didn't even have electricity during parts of the episodes.

Anyways, Majin Vegeta easily wins. His Atomic Blast blew a hole through Buu. Doing the same to 3 androids and finishing with a Big Bang Attack wouldn't be difficult.

[MysticGoten]

Those guide books may be pretty accurate, but just read the manga. During Vegeta's fight with Kid Buu, it clearly shows electricity surrounding his body constantly. That signifies SSJ2. Majin Vegeta can ultimately be summarized as a bloodlusted, ruthless Vegeta, much different than how he was before during the Buu arc. The anime didn't show Vegeta with electricity during the fight, but that can be explained due to budget restraints. SSJ3 Goku didn't even have electricity during parts of the episodes.

Anyways, Majin Vegeta easily wins. His Atomic Blast blew a hole through Buu. Doing the same to 3 androids and finishing with a Big Bang Attack wouldn't be difficult.
It does not signify SSJ2.
SSJ2 Gohan also didn't have electricity during parts of his episodes.
He cannot be said as bloodlusted, as he overcomes that.
Pretty accurate? No, these are completely supervised by the author.

[Nyruss]

It's been years since I payed any attention to DBZ, but wasn't Vegeta the one who discovered SSJ2 in the first place?

[Yellow Flash]

I edited your posts this time but please refrain from posting images of anime/manga owned or incorporated with Viz.

[Yellow Flash]

It's been years since I payed any attention to DBZ, but wasn't Vegeta the one who discovered SSJ2 in the first place?
Yeah. He did, then Trunks shortly after, and then Gohan a little after that.

Sorry for double post.

SSJ2 Vegeta=Majin Vegeta=SSJ2 Goku>Androids 16-18

[Narutorious]

Confirmed in the manga indirectly?
Are you saying someone said that Vegeta can go ssj2?

Vegeta told Goku that both of them was more powerful than Gohan since Gohan haven't trained since he fought Cell, and Gohan haven't disagree with him, meaning Gohan knows it's true. No way that Ssj Vegeta was more powerful than Ssj2 Gohan.

BTW, you're wrong. World Guide...?
Dai. Zen. Shuu.
Big/Great. All/Everything. Collection.
You must not know Japanese.

You're talking to one of the owners of these himself.
Do you mean Daizenshuu 4?
Daizenshuu 1-Complete Illustrations
2-Story Guide
3-TV Animation Part 1
4-WORLD GUIDE
5-TV Aniation Part 2
6-Movies and Specials
7-Encyclopedia
Bonus Daizenshuu
8-Cardass Book 1
9-Cardass Book 2
10-TV Animation part 3

Sorry, I must go.

You're right, my mistake, I didn't read those books in years.

[Miles Edgeworth]

What.
Vegeta never went Super Saiya-jin two!
Never! Never!




http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Vegeta

There is a clear mention of Vegeta learning Super Saiyan 2.

Also, the list of Super Saiyan 2's includes Vegeta. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_2

If Vegeta wasn't SSJ2, how would you explain Vegeta being equal to SSJ2 Goku? Getting Majin basically just gives you an intense rage boost, it has never proven to give someone a huge power boost.

Just because the Daizenshuu doesn't list SSJ2 doesn't mean he didn't have it. Last time I checked the Daizenshuu didn't list every single thing about Dragon Ball in the world.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

It does not signify SSJ2.
SSJ2 Gohan also didn't have electricity during parts of his episodes.
He cannot be said as bloodlusted, as he overcomes that.
Pretty accurate? No, these are completely supervised by the author.

Apparently in the manga, it did. How else would you describe Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta having electricity constantly surrounding them when SSJ3 isn't involved? We've all seen them in normal SSJ in the Buu Saga and none of them had electricity. Goku's the easiest to differentiate because of how sharper his hair is after transforming. Gohan's and Vegeta's hair is basically the same throughout SSJ and SSJ2. IIRC, Gohan was SSJ for the first half against Dabura, and then turned into SSJ2, with electricity to signify it. Vegeta was SSJ at the beginning of his Majin brainwash. He then shows SSJ2 when Goku did it at first. The same goes with his fight during Kid Buu.

In every saga since Frieza, electricity never surrounded SSJ besides maybe Ultra SSJ Trunks when powering up, not sure. I might be wrong, but didn't those guidebooks also say SSJ2 has electricity surrounding the user constantly? The anime always had budget restraints, causing them to use a small amount of voice actors as said in the DBZ Kai interview with Sean Schemmel and Chris Sabat. They now have much more money. In the future, maybe DBZ Kai can be used as a better reference for anime-related discussions.