Equal Speed Issue

[Miles Edgeworth]

Recently I've seen many threads where even if there is equal speed, people say that a character can use a speed boosting technique such as Shunpo, thus boosting their speed and allowing them to blitz the opponent.

Now there's just one problem. Speed equal is supposed to mean exactly what it says, speed equal. What's the point of equalized speed if a character can just boost it and then blitz? There is no point. The logic that a character can boost their speed and blitz despite the restrictions is very peculiar to me.

By posting that a character can use a speed boosting technique to blitz, you ignore the fact that the speed was equalized at all. It doesn't matter if they take pills, get new shoes, or eat a mushroom. Speed equalized means speed equalized, no matter how much you try to boost your speed. If this weren't the case, then the concept of equalized speed is completely redundant and all goes to waste.

This is my view on the matter, I was curious about what everybody else thought.

[Blind Uchiha]

Recently I've seen many threads where even if there is equal speed, people say that a character can use a speed boosting technique such as Shunpo, thus boosting their speed and allowing them to blitz the opponent.

Now there's just one problem. Speed equal is supposed to mean exactly what it says, speed equal. What's the point of equalized speed if a character can just boost it and then blitz? There is no point. The logic that a character can boost their speed and blitz despite the restrictions is very peculiar to me.

By posting that a character can use a speed boosting technique to blitz, you ignore the fact that the speed was equalized at all. It doesn't matter if they take pills, get new shoes, or eat a mushroom. Speed equalized means speed equalized, no matter how much you try to boost your speed. If this weren't the case, then the concept of equalized speed is completely redundant and all goes to waste.

This is my view on the matter, I was curious about what everybody else thought.

I agree. It destroys the whole purpose of the thread.

[Kuroda Taishi]

I thought this was obvious

[Miles Edgeworth]

I thought this was obvious

It should be, but in recent threads I've seen people say "well Ichigo can use Shunpo and then blitz" and other similar comments.

I didn't think this had to be brought up, but with recent posts I decided to make this thread since people just didn't get the clue.

[chidoriroar]

i agree, i hate equalized speed.

[The 1st Hokage]

Equel speed only applied to base. Say Naruto starts in base, then he increases his speed by going into SM even though it started equelly.

[Narutorious]

^That would just be silly, what would be the point of having speed restrictions if it just for the base form? It isn't a restriction if that's the case.

[ThePurpleChidori]

I think we should have different forms of speed restrictions, like 1 of them would apply to base only and 1 would apply to EVERYTHING.

[Shikamaru Nara]

This only applies to base. If a technique enhances speed, all the have to do is restrict that move as well, be it Shunpo or or any other move. That being said, I disagree with you on this situation.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Equal speed SHOULD go as follows:

Speed in equal in whatever form the two fighters start off in.

If one character uses a speed boosting technique, then their speed increases that much more than whatever the faster of the fighter's top speed would be. (Ex. Ichigo is Mach 3 in base (made it up off the top of my head for example purposes). His Bankai increases his speed to Mach 10. He's fighting Naruto at equal speed. Naruto would be mach 3 in base to equalize the speed. When Ichigo becomes mach 10 with his Bankai, he can blitz Naruto. If Naruto goes SM, his speed increases by the same amount as it would were he ALWAYS Mach 3, thus making him around Ichigo's Bankai speed. Naruto in base is around sonic speed, possibly a bit lower. In SM he's high tier supersonic. This transition of speed is about the same as Ichigo's Bankai, thus equalizing speed.)

I don't know if that makes sense to anyone but me.

[Vivi]

Let's just say Speed is equalized including Speed-Up Moves and the likes unless the OP says otherwise.

[The 1st Hokage]

Equal speed SHOULD go as follows:

Speed in equal in whatever form the two fighters start off in.

If one character uses a speed boosting technique, then their speed increases that much more than whatever the faster of the fighter's top speed would be. (Ex. Ichigo is Mach 3 in base (made it up off the top of my head for example purposes). His Bankai increases his speed to Mach 10. He's fighting Naruto at equal speed. Naruto would be mach 3 in base to equalize the speed. When Ichigo becomes mach 10 with his Bankai, he can blitz Naruto. If Naruto goes SM, his speed increases by the same amount as it would were he ALWAYS Mach 3, thus making him around Ichigo's Bankai speed. Naruto in base is around sonic speed, possibly a bit lower. In SM he's high tier supersonic. This transition of speed is about the same as Ichigo's Bankai, thus equalizing speed.)

I don't know if that makes sense to anyone but me.Sadly it made perfect sense.

Base=Base
Power Boost=Power Boost

Say Ichigo vs. Luffy

Ichigo and Luffy are equel speed.

Luffy goes gear 2. He is then faster than Ichigo

Ichigo goes Bankai. Speed is then equeled once again like no transformation occured.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Sadly it made perfect sense.

Base=Base
Power Boost=Power Boost

Say Ichigo vs. Luffy

Ichigo and Luffy are equel speed.

Luffy goes gear 2. He is then faster than Ichigo

Ichigo goes Bankai. Speed is then equeled once again like no transformation occured.
Okay, so that was literally what I said but in about three words instead of three pages.

Damn you and your common sense!

[colorles]

i dislike equal speed threads in generall, and they should be avoided. speed is everything, and a character/being is what it is due to its speed

[Miles Edgeworth]

Equel speed only applied to base. Say Naruto starts in base, then he increases his speed by going into SM even though it started equelly.

Since when was this the policy? As far as I'm concerned equal speed means equal speed, people can't just say "lol transformation" and nullify the sole purpose of equal speed. That's like saying strength equalized and then somebody says "lol (insert character) uses random strength boost to nullify said restricton." It's pointless.

^That would just be silly, what would be the point of having speed restrictions if it just for the base form? It isn't a restriction if that's the case.

Agreed.

This only applies to base. If a technique enhances speed, all the have to do is restrict that move as well, be it Shunpo or or any other move. That being said, I disagree with you on this situation.

Why is it that this only applies to base? They said equal speed, not equal base speed. There's a reason that they flat out say "Equal Speed" and not "equal base form speed."

Equal speed SHOULD go as follows:

Speed in equal in whatever form the two fighters start off in.

If one character uses a speed boosting technique, then their speed increases that much more than whatever the faster of the fighter's top speed would be. (Ex. Ichigo is Mach 3 in base (made it up off the top of my head for example purposes). His Bankai increases his speed to Mach 10. He's fighting Naruto at equal speed. Naruto would be mach 3 in base to equalize the speed. When Ichigo becomes mach 10 with his Bankai, he can blitz Naruto. If Naruto goes SM, his speed increases by the same amount as it would were he ALWAYS Mach 3, thus making him around Ichigo's Bankai speed. Naruto in base is around sonic speed, possibly a bit lower. In SM he's high tier supersonic. This transition of speed is about the same as Ichigo's Bankai, thus equalizing speed.)

I don't know if that makes sense to anyone but me.

The problem with that is some characters don't have a transformation boosting their speed, thus making unequal matches and completely making the restriction redundant by people who try to justify a speed boost in a restricted match.

Let's just say Speed is equalized including Speed-Up Moves and the likes unless the OP says otherwise.

My opinion exactly.

Sadly it made perfect sense.

Base=Base
Power Boost=Power Boost

Say Ichigo vs. Luffy

Ichigo and Luffy are equel speed.

Luffy goes gear 2. He is then faster than Ichigo

Ichigo goes Bankai. Speed is then equeled once again like no transformation occured.

Except this doesn't change the fact that equal speed means equal speed. It doesn't matter if they can both transform to the point where they make speed boosts that are equal, some characters cannot speed boost and this becomes redundant. For example, Ichigo can go into Bankai, but Sasuke can't do anything to boost his speed more than it already is. What is the reasoning for one saying "lol blitz" when the restrictions CLEARLY state equalized speed?

Doing that is like your parent telling you that you cannot put ketchup on a food, and then you merely pour ketchup and dip the food into the ketchup. It uses a different method but ends up in the same result, thus eliminating any effort for change.

[The 1st Hokage]

Since when was this the policy? As far as I'm concerned equal speed means equal speed, people can't just say "lol transformation" and nullify the sole purpose of equal speed. That's like saying strength equalized and then somebody says "lol (insert character) uses random strength boost to nullify said restricton." It's pointless.



Agreed.



Why is it that this only applies to base? They said equal speed, not equal base speed. There's a reason that they flat out say "Equal Speed" and not "equal base form speed."



The problem with that is some characters don't have a transformation boosting their speed, thus making unequal matches and completely making the restriction redundant by people who try to justify a speed boost in a restricted match.



My opinion exactly.



Except this doesn't change the fact that equal speed means equal speed. It doesn't matter if they can both transform to the point where they make speed boosts that are equal, some characters cannot speed boost and this becomes redundant. For example, Ichigo can go into Bankai, but Sasuke can't do anything to boost his speed more than it already is. What is the reasoning for one saying "lol blitz" when the restrictions CLEARLY state equalized speed?

Doing that is like your parent telling you that you cannot put ketchup on a food, and then you merely pour ketchup and dip the food into the ketchup. It uses a different method but ends up in the same result, thus eliminating any effort for change.Well then a transformation is only useful for durability and destructive capability, which does not matter to me, though from post in recent days, I got the idea that equel speed is only equel in base.

This may or may not be wrong. It all has to do with the OP's idea of "Equel Speed" which they should specify. If they believe equel speed is equel for any transformation, then that is how it will be, but again, it varies from person to person.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Well then a transformation is only useful for durability and destructive capability, which does not matter to me, though from post in recent days, I got the idea that equel speed is only equel in base.

This may or may not be wrong. It all has to do with the OP's idea of "Equel Speed" which they should specify. If they believe equel speed is equel for any transformation, then that is how it will be, but again, it varies from person to person.

Well if speed is equal then generally that's what fighters have to rely on, power and durability. I know a lot of people brought up this whole "equal speed in base" thing but honestly I don't know where it came from because it just seems redundant. If a person says the competitors have equal speed in base then it makes sense, but if they simply say equal speed then I believe the match would be interpreted as such.

[The 1st Hokage]

Well if speed is equal then generally that's what fighters have to rely on, power and durability. I know a lot of people brought up this whole "equal speed in base" thing but honestly I don't know where it came from because it just seems redundant. If a person says the competitors have equal speed in base then it makes sense, but if they simply say equal speed then I believe the match would be interpreted as such.
Yes. To contimplate equel speed as equel in base only is redundant and contradicts equel speed itself, but what matters is how the OP states it.

Saying only equel speed will be, as we just discussed, equel speed on all terms, though if the OP states "Equel speed in base" then it will be just that. I like to try to find common ground and I think we just found it. :D

[Nyruss]

For the sake of argument, let's say that Wally West were in a fight and speed were equalized(Ignore the fact that that would be a retarded fight), would Wally's ability to "steal" speed(decrease target's speed in order to increase his own) be effective?

[The 1st Hokage]

For the sake of argument, let's say that Wally West were in a fight and speed were equalized(Ignore the fact that that would be a retarded fight), would Wally's ability to "steal" speed(decrease target's speed in order to increase his own) be effective?
Honestly, it would controdict equel speed, but I would find it a suitable arguement and say yes, it could be effective.

[gama-sennin]

Equal speed is more of a restriction imposed on the stronger/faster character to level the field. for example if the battle kakashi Vs naruto(straight out of academy) gives a huge advantage to kakashi in speed(actually in just about everything) so "equal speed" pulls kakashi down to naruto's speed at the beginning of the fight.Which also means that once the battle starts they both can get as many speed haxxes as permitted by the starting conditions.(like naruto being just outaa academy wont get too much boost but kakashi can and hence the blitz)

I guess i got lost somewhere while typing this but i am gonna post it anyway. :D

[lolohwd]

speed restrictions should count the whole match!