Shino vs Tsunade.

[Shino Hatake]

Distance: 50 Meters
Location: Where Pein fought Kakashi.
Restrictions: No major summons.
WHO WINS!

[Nyruss]

Bug Globe. GG Sucknade.

[Shino Hatake]

Plz explain why tsuande would lose vs said Bug Globe.

[Akatsuki X]

Plz explain why tsuande would lose vs said Bug Globe.

Because said bug globe sucks said chakra out of said Tsunade

[Tourune]

Bug Globe. GG Sucknade.

Because said bug globe sucks said chakra out of said Tsunade
and Tsunade wont be able to use the MAJOR fact that she is Faster than Shino in ths fight???????????????????

[Nyruss]

Do you have any proof that Tsunade is faster than Shino? At all? No? OK then. Bug Globe GG.

[Lady Tsunade]

Tsunade runs away from Shinos bugs ,leaps forwards and flicks him. GG Shino

[Nyruss]

She's not fast enough to escape Shino's bugs.

[Lady Tsunade]

Proof? I think her Shunshins are more than enough to prove that she can.

[Nyruss]

You'll be the one to provide proof here. You claim Tsunade can avoid Shino's bugs, back it up. Failure to do so means she gets annihilated.

[Akatsuki X]

I noticed you guys arguing alot on other threads as well, coincidence? Or just different opinions?

[zebrakiller]

You'll be the one to provide proof here. You claim Tsunade can avoid Shino's bugs, back it up. Failure to do so means she gets annihilated.
how does that make sense? prove the bugs are faster than her...

no major summons does that mean no slugs at all?

[Shino Hatake]

Yes no slug.

[Lightning227]

Tsunade's a hokage and shino is a chunin...do I really need to explain this? Tsunade outclasses shino in almost every aspect...

[Nyruss]

Lady Tsunade is one of the many many people who regularly argue with me because they can't accept the fact that I'm rarely, if ever, wrong and my stated facts tend to contradict their views of their favorite characters.

In this instance, Lady Tsunade believes that Tsunade could speedblitz a bloodlusted Barry Allen, while I hold the much more reasonable opinion that she's got no speed feats whatsoever and even by powerscaling she's one of the slower characters in the series.

[Akatsuki X]

Tsunade's a hokage and shino is a chunin...do I really need to explain this? Tsunade outclasses shino in almost every aspect...

Class means nothing,
technically Naruto is still a genin,
so go ahead proving Tsunade>Naruto.

[zebrakiller]

who has shino beaten with insect sphere then that it guarantees him the victory?

[deidara330]

Dudemeister has a valid point, Shino's bug globe would surround Tsunade. There would be too many bugs for her to take them out using any taijutsu, and since they suck chakra, using Mitotic Regeneration is really pointless. If Tsunade is fast enough, she can use Taijutsu to kill Shino before any real harm is done, but I don't have enough time to look up both Shino's and Tsunade's speeds, so I'll just go ahead and say that Shino wins due to his Bug Globe sucking out Tsunade's chakra before she can kill him.

Edit: Now, if Tsunade could summon Katsuyu, she would probably just do that as soon as the fight started and Shino gets crushed in the first few seconds. However, Katsuyu has been banned from this match, so Shino can trap Tsunade in his Bug Globe and kill her.

[Akatsuki X]

Lady Tsunade is one of the many many people who regularly argue with me because they can't accept the fact that I'm rarely, if ever, wrong and my stated facts tend to contradict their views of their favorite characters.

In this instance, Lady Tsunade believes that Tsunade could speedblitz a bloodlusted Barry Allen, while I hold the much more reasonable opinion that she's got no speed feats whatsoever and even by powerscaling she's one of the slower characters in the series.

Ahh so it is more then different opinions.

Interesting conflict,

rarely do respected debaters disagree,
so when they do, I find it highly interesting.

[Nyruss]

Now, if Tsunade could summon Katsuyu, she would probably just do that as soon as the fight started and Shino gets crushed in the first few seconds Not close enough for that to happen. Tsuande dies whether or not she has access to Katsuyu.

[Lightning227]

Class means nothing,
technically Naruto is still a genin,
so go ahead proving Tsunade>Naruto.

Class still doesn't change the fact that shino is outclassed in strength and battle experience and almost everything else. She could crush all the bugs underneath a giant boulder or punch the ground the bugs are walking on and send them faling deep underground.

[Nyruss]

Never mind the fact that bugs can, you know, fly.

Battle experience is meaningless when you are so obviously outclassed. Jiraiya had tons more battle experience than Pain and he got raped while Pain was holding back.

[Akatsuki X]

Class still doesn't change the fact that shino is outclassed in strength and battle experience and almost everything else. She could crush all the bugs underneath a giant boulder or punch the ground the bugs are walking on and send them faling deep underground.

Worst.
Examples.
Ever.

You can't crush bugs under a boulder,
thats simply moronic.

And second Shino's bugs fly,
not walk.

Even if they did "walk",
and that happened and they fell into a pit,
whats stopping them from crawling up the sides of the pit?

[deidara330]

Not close enough for that to happen. Tsuande dies whether or not she has access to Katsuyu.How long is Katsuyu? Even if she isn't close enough to crush Shino, couldn't she simply wait atop Katsuyu in safety while Katsuyu slug-spammed Shino? I don't think that Shino's bugs could reach Tsunade and suck her dry of chakra before Katsuyu crushes or slug-spams Shino. Additionally, Katsuyu could probably use Acid Slime to burn up Shino and his bugs before they manage to reach Tsunade and do damage.

But we're getting off topic. Katsuyu is banned in this match, so whether or not it would affect who wins and who loses doesn't matter here. To re-state for the purpose of being on-topic, I believe Shino would surround Tsunade with his bugs and kill Tsunade by sucking her dry of chakra before she could kill him.

[Nyruss]

How long is Katsuyu?

I don't care to do any sort of calc to derive her length based on her height on account of being lazy, but her height varies between below 20 meters and over 50.

Regardless, when a summon appears the front-most part of them appears in the spot where the summoner was, so she could be a bajillion miles long and she'd still only appear 50 meters away.

[deidara330]

I don't care to do any sort of calc to derive her length based on her height on account of being lazy, but her height varies between below 20 meters and over 50.

Regardless, when a summon appears the front-most part of them appears in the spot where the summoner was, so she could be a bajillion miles long and she'd still only appear 50 meters away.So Katsuyu couldn't crush Shino. Does my point not stand that Tsunade can merely wait atop Katsuyu while she spams slugs and acid slime at Shino and his bugs?

[Nyruss]

Lacking significant speed feats, her only hope is a wide-spray of acid, and even that's not a guaranteed win, though it does tip the scales in her favor.

[Lady Tsunade]

You'll be the one to provide proof here. You claim Tsunade can avoid Shino's bugs, back it up. Failure to do so means she gets annihilated.

Tsunade Shunshined forwards about 10m or so in one panel when she first attacked Orochimaru. He just barely dodged. And then both him and Kabuto were chased. Having trouble to escape as they did so. Shinos bugs , fast or not- have never shown to cover that much areain such a short time. Her speed isn't exactly wonderful. But with that feat, she's at least faster than Shinos bugs. Furthermore, the time in which she jumped up into the air, waving about Gamabuntas sword, was literally only a few seconds. I suppose that's a strength feat as well as a speed feat. But legible none the less.

Shinos bug globe is the most speed we've seen from any of his techniques. And even then it's not very fast. Furthermore, while Tsunade leaps forwards and axe kicks the ground, Shino will have trouble trying to avoid her attack and control his bugs at the same time. Orochimaru and Kabuto just barely avoided Tsunades first drop kick. Once shes within Shinos range. Do you really think he could dodge?

Lady Tsunade is one of the many many people who regularly argue with me because they can't accept the fact that I'm rarely, if ever, wrong and my stated facts tend to contradict their views of their favorite characters.

In this instance, Lady Tsunade believes that Tsunade could speedblitz a bloodlusted Barry Allen, while I hold the much more reasonable opinion that she's got no speed feats whatsoever and even by powerscaling she's one of the slower characters in the series.
Favouritism usually has nothing to do with it actually. Considering your hate of Tsunade,and hate of me as a person. And major major underestimation of her in almost every single fight- of course Im going to argue with you. Most people dont argue with you because they know you'll just start insulting their opinions half way through the debate. You speak to me like I'm retarded and cannot make up a valid arguement. When quite obviously I can.

As well as that, you troll, flame and spam in threads on a regular basis because you can't actually accept that someone else has a different opinion than you. Even your siggy shows how much you, 'like' yourself- to put things nicely. Making it all the more hard for you to accept anyone elses opinion unless they

A) Back you up in an arguement
or
B) Have 321zigzag2 in their username.

[Ultimate combatant]

Shino has no speed feats, while Tsunade has!!!:D

[Tourune]

Do you have any proof that Tsunade is faster than Shino? At all? No? OK then. Bug Globe GG.

She's not fast enough to escape Shino's bugs.

You'll be the one to provide proof here. You claim Tsunade can avoid Shino's bugs, back it up. Failure to do so means she gets annihilated.

how does that make sense? prove the bugs are faster than her...

no major summons does that mean no slugs at all?

Lady Tsunade is one of the many many people who regularly argue with me because they can't accept the fact that I'm rarely, if ever, wrong and my stated facts tend to contradict their views of their favorite characters.

In this instance, Lady Tsunade believes that Tsunade could speedblitz a bloodlusted Barry Allen, while I hold the much more reasonable opinion that she's got no speed feats whatsoever and even by powerscaling she's one of the slower characters in the series.

who has shino beaten with insect sphere then that it guarantees him the victory?

Not close enough for that to happen. Tsuande dies whether or not she has access to Katsuyu.
Tsunade kespt up with Orochimaru, can Shino??? Yin seal - revives Tsunades chakra if it gets drained. Shino (as shown before) gets poisoned he dies. Kabuto's chakra scalpel killed 1 million bee's, Tsunades can kill 1 Million beetles. Shino isnt geeting through Genjutsu binding.

[deidara330]

Lacking significant speed feats, her only hope is a wide-spray of acid, and even that's not a guaranteed win, though it does tip the scales in her favor.If the scales are tipped in her favor, doesn't that technically count as a win? Even if it's a close match, if Tsunade has the higher chance of winning than Shino, it should be considered a win. Katsuyu has too much chakra to die from having it all sucked out by some bugs, and the bugs would need to fly the distance and height to reach Tsunade before Katsuyu could spray enough acid slime to kill them all, which I believe is the more likely outcome.

[gama-sennin]

shino needs time to use the bug globe and i havent seen him use it when fighting one on one. you need to distract the opponent so that he/she wont sense the bugs closing in on them which in this case wont be possible.
Those who said that shino will win even if tsunade summons katsuyu are really underestimating her.

[Ultimate combatant]

She's a Sannin for several reasons. 1: Niinin sounds dumb. 2: Her grandfather is the First Hokage. 3: Her teacher was the Third Hokage. 3: Her teammates are two of the strongest ninjas ever.

Tsunade is a parasite, leeching off the fame of others to make herself look better.

Well, she still is very strong... Not as strong as Minato, the fourth one, though!!!

EDIT:
One more thing... We know that Kurenai is stronger than Shino. Tsunade is definetely stronger than Kurenai. This means... Tsunade would win this one!!!

[gama-sennin]

tsunade is sannin for few more reasons:
1. she is widely acknowledged as the best kunoichi ever.(chiyo of sand said that)
2. the best medical nin ever with only possible exception of kabuto.
3. has strength that is unmatched in entire narutoverse.
4. was able to fight kabuto and weakened oro equally until they used her fear of blood against her which was a psychological weakness that she was bale to overcome without outside help.

[Nyruss]

1. she is widely acknowledged as the best kunoichi ever.(chiyo of sand said that)

Because her grandfather is the First Hokage and her teacher was the Third Hokage and her teammates are two of the strongest ninjas ever. Not because she actually deserves to be called that.

2. the best medical nin ever with only possible exception of kabuto.

That's meaningless.

3. has strength that is unmatched in entire narutoverse.

That's just a lie. I can name at least five people that surpass her casually.


4. was able to fight kabuto and weakened oro equally until they used her fear of blood against her which was

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You neglect to mention that Orochimaru was armless and both he and Kabuto were holding back while Sucknade was going all out.


a psychological weakness that she was bale to overcome without outside help.


ZOMGZORZ! WITHOUT OUTSIDE HELP! THAT PROVES SHE'S THE BEST NINJA EVAR!

[gama-sennin]

dude can you not read? I said "WEAKENED ORCHIMARU" and took it for granted that you know what the weakness was. guess i will have to clarify each and every thing. But not now may be later.

[Akatsuki Tsunade]

are u guys kidding me?!?!?

Tsunade 5 hokage enough said

I know not ever one likes her BUT come on she has way more battle experince than shino and is great at hand to hand combat.. and like some one all ready said u want proof that tsunade is faster than shino and i also want proof saying that she is not

and rank does not always matter UNLESS we are talking about a kage here which we are

[Miles Edgeworth]

We know that Kurenai is stronger than Shino. Tsunade is definetely stronger than Kurenai. This means... Tsunade would win this one!!!

Lol at Kurenai being stronger than Shino. All she has to support her is hype, there is really no way to prove that she doesn't get Bug Globed. Kurenai is nearly featless, and the one time she used a technique, it failed, miserably. Thus we have no idea how good it really is, for all we know it could be a tad below Sharingan level, for all we know it could be Genin level genjutsu, we can't be too sure without feats. Being Shino's teacher means nothing about how strong she is.

If Tsunade couldn't beat Kurenai then she shouldn't be more than a Genin, Kurenai is featless. Pretty much anybody who has shown at least one technique can at least put up a fight with Kurenai.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

are u guys kidding me?!?!?

Tsunade 5 hokage enough said

I know not ever one likes her BUT come on she has way more battle experince than shino and is great at hand to hand combat.. and like some one all ready said u want proof that tsunade is faster than shino and i also want proof saying that she is not

and rank does not always matter UNLESS we are talking about a kage here which we are
1. Na.

2. By that logic Tsunade stomps Naruto who is a Genin while Shino is a Chunin.

3. She has more battle experience than Naruto does that mean she easily beats him?

4. Shino is a long ranged fighter thus making that void.

5. Shino is fast enough to where she can't blitz him or his bugs before he can react.

6. So your trying to say a kage auto stomps Naruto because of rank?

[Nyruss]

Tsunade kespt up with Orochimaru, can Shino???

Tsunade was getting speedblitzed by a severely weakened and holding back Orochimaru. When has she ever kept up with him? What? Never? That's right never.

Yin seal - revives Tsunades chakra if it gets drained.Proof.(HINT: No such proof exists)

Shino (as shown before) gets poisoned he dies. Tsunade has no poison.

Kabuto's chakra scalpel killed 1 million bee's, Tsunades can kill 1 Million beetles.Proof.(HINT: No such proof exists)

I woin't even go into the fact that just because the MASSIVELY superior Kabuto can do something it doesn't mean Sucknade can, I just want to see manga evidence that Kabuto ever killed a million bees.


Shino isnt geeting through Genjutsu binding. Good thing Tsunade doesn't have that jutsu then.

Well, she still is very strong... Not as strong as Minato, the fourth one, though!!! Because he has 0 feats, Minato is about the only person in the series that Tsunade is stronger than. We know that Kurenai is stronger than ShinoNot in any way, shape or form in this universe or any other.



and rank does not always matter UNLESS we are talking about a kage here which we are


That would be true only if Tsunade got the position by merit rather than hype. Which she didn't. She was appointed Hokage because Jiraiya said no. The previously mentioned family connections are the only reason they didn't laugh in Jiraiya's face when he told them to pick her instead.