Team Minato vs. Orochimaru

[Tourune]

Location: Forest Of Death

Restrictions: Orochimaru can only use his moves from his fight with Sasuke in the original series (Part 1) but he has his snake jutsu's + his sword. NO sommons though, meaning every snake jutsu from part 1 he can use exept for sommons like Manda and the 3 headed snake, hope its clear now.

Distance: 90 Meters

[Lone Wolf]

Location: Forest Of Death

Restrictions: Orochimaru can only use his moves from his fight with Sasuke in the original series

Distance: 90 Meters

What original series may I ask? Naruto has no sequel, so why isn't Naruto original?

[Ultimate combatant]

Location: Forest Of Death

Restrictions: Orochimaru can only use his moves from his fight with Sasuke in the original series

Distance: 90 Meters

Team Minato would win, because I assume Minato would be helping them. And we already found out Minato would defeat Orochimaru!!!

[Tourune]

What original series may I ask? Naruto has no sequel, so why isn't Naruto original?
im sorry but do you watch Shippuden???
when i say original i mean Part 1

[Lone Wolf]

im sorry but do you watch Shippuden???
when i say original i mean Part 1

I only read the manga.

[Tourune]

I only read the manga.
wait so you didnt read the part when they were kids?

[Lone Wolf]

wait so you didnt read the part when they were kids?

I did, what does that have to do with original series?

[Tourune]

I did, what does that have to do with original series?
that is the original series, Shippuden is the sequal

[Lone Wolf]

that is the original series, Shippuden is the sequal

Anime only, I told you I read the manga, there is no Shippuden in the manga.

Time skip =/= sequel.

Edit: Pre Time Skip =/= Original Series.

[Nyruss]

Orochimaru stomps.

[Tourune]

Orochimaru stomps.
You must explain your answer

[Nyruss]

Orochimaru rapes for reasons I hold to be self-evident.

[vlad the impaler]

i think orochimaru would lose

[Nyruss]

And you're wrong. Kakashi is the only real threat and he's got nothing on Orochimaru.

[tanduhman]

And you're wrong. Kakashi is the only real threat and he's got nothing on Orochimaru.
are you saying that minato isnt a threat?

[Nyruss]

Yes because the only thing about him that could possibly pose a threat is the Dead Demon Consuming Seal, and Orochimaru's already proven he can withstand that long enough to kill the caster.

[e710]

Oro's faster then all of them so he would blitz them and Minato was said to be stronger then him but you can't prove it off our knowledge of him.

[tanduhman]

Yes because the only thing about him that could possibly pose a threat is the Dead Demon Consuming Seal, and Orochimaru's already proven he can withstand that long enough to kill the caster.
yah oro can withstand it against an old man that said himself that he was deffinetly slower than he used to be. minato could simply use dead demon consuming seal to hold oro in place while kakashi cuts oro into so many pieces that oro will be put into a restraunt as snake soup.

[Lone Wolf]

Yamata no Jutsu, GG.

[Nyruss]

yah oro can withstand it against an old man that said himself that he was deffinetly slower than he used to be.Irrelevant. He doesn't have to resist forever, or even as long as he did against the Third, just long enough to have his magic flaoty sword decapitate Minato.

[Tourune]

Yamata no Jutsu, GG.
Banned

[Nyruss]

He has his snake jutsus, and Hydra is definitely a snake jutsu.

[Tourune]

He has his snake jutsus, and Hydra is definitely a snake jutsu.
yeah his snake jutsus...from Part 1

[Nyruss]

Well, either way, it doesn't matter. Orochimaru doesn't need Hydra to win this.

[Skylar]

Yes because the only thing about him that could possibly pose a threat is the Dead Demon Consuming Seal, and Orochimaru's already proven he can withstand that long enough to kill the caster. Hiruzen was already weakened from the battle(not to mention the sword sticking out of him), his age also down played the technique. Minato was able to use the technique to seal away the nine tails. Orochimaru barley survived against a four tailed Naruto. I think Minato would definatley pose a threat.

[Lone Wolf]

Ok really when you get sealed by Shiki Fuujin you stay alive, and the user dies.

[Skylar]

Ok really when you get sealed by Shiki Fuujin you stay alive, and the user dies.
Hiruzen sealed Oro's arms in himself(the reason the seal showed up on Hiruzen) Minato sealed the nine tails within Naruto, and the seal showed up on Naruto. The Kyuubi has stated several times that if Naruto died he would die also. Minato could seal Oro within himself; killing Both of them.

[Nyruss]

Hiruzen was already weakened from the battle(not to mention the sword sticking out of him), his age also down played the technique. Minato was able to use the technique to seal away the nine tails. Orochimaru barley survived against a four tailed Naruto. I think Minato would definatley pose a threat.

You make it sound like the Fourth tanked Kyuubi's strongest attacks while effortlessly setting up the seal. In all probability, his victory over the Kyuubi was plot. Especially considering that he felt that Gamabunta would do anything other than annoy the Kyuubi for the .000001 yoctoseconds it would take for the Kyuubi to kill the living crap out of him.

It doesn't matter that Hiruzen was weakened, because Orochimaru doesn't need to resist it forever, just long enough to decapitate Minato. This is assuming that Minato even survives long enough to use it in the first place which, considering he has nothing to remotely suggest he can take on Orochimaru, is unlikely.

[Skylar]

You make it sound like the Fourth tanked Kyuubi's strongest attacks while effortlessly setting up the seal. In all probability, his victory over the Kyuubi was plot. Especially considering that he felt that Gamabunta would do anything other than annoy the Kyuubi for the .000001 yoctoseconds it would take for the Kyuubi to kill the living crap out of him.

It doesn't matter that Hiruzen was weakened, because Orochimaru doesn't need to resist it forever, just long enough to decapitate Minato. This is assuming that Minato even survives long enough to use it in the first place which, considering he has nothing to remotely suggest he can take on Orochimaru is unlikely.
Honestly ur going to put Minato sealing Kyuubi away as plot? Yes I suppose it is plot just like Orochimaru not getting fully sealed by Hiruzen is plot, correct? And ur also bringing Gamabunta into that? Really? Who cares, this fight is between team Minato and Oro. We go by feats, and Minato sealing away the Kyuubi is one of them.

It doesn't matter that Hiruzen was weakened? So even though it takes alot of power to use that technique, and Hiruzen weakened means that he doesn't have as much power, it doesn't matter that he's weakened?

More or less u think that Oro can summon up the kusangi and slash at Minato all before Minato throws a tagged kunai at him and transports straight to Oro before he can blink, am I correct? Also resisting forever? It shouldn't take Minato that long to seal Orochimaru within himself if he's sealed away the Kyuubi(which he has). As soon as Minato has the reaper start to pull out Orochimaru's arms he won't be able to move them that much(not to mention he won't be able to move his body that much either), and he needs them to use his technique. He'd have to have the sword in a perfect spot(like in his fight with Hiruzen) to do what u say.

[Nyruss]

Honestly ur going to put Minato sealing Kyuubi away as plot?

Everything points to it.

Yes I suppose it is plot just like Orochimaru not getting fully sealed by Hiruzen is plot, correct? On the contrary, Orochimaru taking so long to kill Hiruzen instead of just going all out from the start, that's plot. Orochimaru being stronger willed is just Oro being a pimp.

We go by feats, and Minato sealing away the Kyuubi is one of them.

In much the same way Sasuke's Great Snake Escape is a feat.

It doesn't matter that Hiruzen was weakened? So even though it takes alot of power to use that technique, and Hiruzen weakened means that he doesn't have as much power, it doesn't matter that he's weakened?

Not in the slightest.

More or less u think that Oro can summon up the kusangi and slash at Minato all before Minato throws a tagged kunai at him and transports straight to Oro before he can blink, am I correct? Yes. Because, you know, he has no useful speed feats whatsoever while Orochimaru's power is well established. Then there's the fact that he doesn't just go WOO WIZARD NINJA POWERS! and the Dead Demon Consuming Seal appears, it takes more than a single planck unit for it to appear and getting close to Orochimaru will just make him a better target.

Also resisting forever? It shouldn't take Minato that long to seal Orochimaru within himself if he's sealed away the Kyuubi(which he has).

Good thing Orochimaru can kill him faster. Like I said, he doesn't have to resist it forever just long enough to easily chop his head off.

As soon as Minato has the reaper start to pull out Orochimaru's arms he won't be able to move them that much(not to mention he won't be able to move his body that much either), and he needs them to use his technique.

Magic sword. Controls with mind. At most a few finger movements.


He'd have to have the sword in a perfect spot(like in his fight with Hiruzen) to do what u say.


Not really. He can control the thing with his mind. One swing and byebye Minato's head.


In summary, there is no realistic scenario in which the Fourth could EVER pose a real threat to Orochimaru unless you intentionally limit Orochimaru's abilities(more than he's already limited I mean, which is utterly hilarious), and that would just be admitting defeat because you know he can't win on his own merits.

[Skylar]

Everything points to it.

On the contrary, Orochimaru taking so long to kill Hiruzen instead of just going all out from the start, that's plot. Orochimaru being stronger willed is just Oro being a pimp.



In much the same way Sasuke's Great Snake Escape is a feat.



Not in the slightest.

Yes. Because, you know, he has no useful speed feats whatsoever while Orochimaru's power is well established. Then there's the fact that he doesn't just go WOO WIZARD NINJA POWERS! and the Dead Demon Consuming Seal appears, it takes more than a single planck unit for it to appear and getting close to Orochimaru will just make him a better target.



Good thing Orochimaru can kill him faster. Like I said, he doesn't have to resist it forever just long enough to easily chop his head off.



Magic sword. Controls with mind. At most a few finger movements.



Not really. He can control the thing with his mind. One swing and byebye Minato's head.


In summary, there is no realistic scenario in which the Fourth could EVER pose a real threat to Orochimaru unless you intentionally limit Orochimaru's abilities(more than he's already limited I mean, which is utterly hilarious), and that would just be admitting defeat because you know he can't win on his own merits.

How does everything point to it?
I suppose ur right on the death seal's time to appear, however Minato does have three students to distract Oro a bit.

Just so u know, Orochimaru doesn't control the kusangi with his mind. He controls it with his fingers(using an one hand, hand sign).

It shouldn't be too hard for Minato to get close to Oro(throwing a tagged kunai comes to mind).

U basically think that even if Minato starts to use reaper death seal on Oro(it will start to paralyze Oro) that Oro can have complete control over his sword, which is somewhat wrong. Yes he might have a little control, but not that much.


He isn't going have too much time to resist. If Minato was able to seal away the fox completley, I don't think its going to take that much time to seal away Oro. Minato could probably have half of Oro's body out before the sword comes any where near Minato. And if not that like Tand. said, Kakashi could use chidori to strike Oro's heart while he's immobile from the reaper death seal.


Well that's ur oppinion.

[[Shikamaru]]

Orochimaru.

Minato has no speed features.

Simple blitz with Snake blade would wipe all four of them out.

Although it's evident Minato is the favorite due to hype.

No feats, no win.

[Nyruss]

I suppose ur right on the death seal's time to appear, however Minato does have three students to distract Oro a bit.

I forget their names but Random Uchiha and Generic Girl are fodder that won't even distract Oro. Kakashi might be a problem, but that's fine because the Fourth dies quickly leaving Orochimaru free to stomp all over Kaka.

Just so u know, Orochimaru doesn't control the kusangi with his mind. He controls it with his fingers(using an one hand, hand sign).

Same result. The Fourth dies.

It shouldn't be too hard for Minato to get close to Oro(throwing a tagged kunai comes to mind).

And when he gets close to Orochimaru he only expedites his inevitable death.

U basically think that even if Minato starts to use reaper death seal on Oro(it will start to paralyze Oro) that Oro can have complete control over his sword, which is somewhat wrong. Yes he might have a little control, but not that much.


More than enough to kill Minato. Assuming he doesn't do it before Minato uses the DDCS, which, he only won't do if he actively chooses not to.

He isn't going have too much time to resist. If Minato was able to seal away the fox completley, I don't think its going to take that much time to seal away Oro

That's fine, Oro will have more than enough time to kill him.

Minato could probably have half of Oro's body out before the sword comes any where near Minato.

And once that sword decapitates him, he won't have any of Oro's body out.


Well that's ur oppinion.


It's also a fact, and your attempts to claim otherwise are blatant fanboyism. Not that I don't expect it from you, but it's still annoying.

[Tourune]

;3318653']Orochimaru.

Minato has no speed features.

Simple blitz with Snake blade would wipe all four of them out.

Although it's evident Minato is the favorite due to hype.

No feats, no win.
I say Oro wins but heres Minato's feats Rasengan, Gamabunta sommoning, Flying Thunder god Tech. and 4 symbaol seal

[Black Shuck]

Since Minato hasn't got enough feats to go against Oro, Oro wins this.

But, (roughly)
Hiruzen in his prime = Minato
//Oro barely managed to win against geezer Hiruzen.
Hiruzen in his prime > Oro
Minato > Oro

[Skylar]

I forget their names but Random Uchiha and Generic Girl are fodder that won't even distract Oro. Kakashi might be a problem, but that's fine because the Fourth dies quickly leaving Orochimaru free to stomp all over Kaka.



Same result. The Fourth dies.



And when he gets close to Orochimaru he only expedites his inevitable death.



More than enough to kill Minato. Assuming he doesn't do it before Minato uses the DDCS, which, he only won't do if he actively chooses not to.



That's fine, Oro will have more than enough time to kill him.



And once that sword decapitates him, he won't have any of Oro's body out.



It's also a fact, and your attempts to claim otherwise are blatant fanboyism. Not that I don't expect it from you, but it's still annoying.
So my claims are blatant fayboyism are they? Coming from the fact u arn't even using feats anymore(well come to think of it, I don't think you've used any feats)? Ur just saying, "decapitate this" or "Oro will kill him". Heck dude, u think Hiruzen being weakened had nothing to do with Oro not getting fully sealed by the reaper death seal.

;3318653']Orochimaru.

Minato has no speed features.

Simple blitz with Snake blade would wipe all four of them out.

Although it's evident Minato is the favorite due to hype.

No feats, no win.

I was just wondering about that one part of "a simple blitze with the snake blade", and the no speed features thing. In the battle between Hiruzen and Orochimaru, to counteract the kusangi Hiruzen had to use the adamatine staff; Hiruzen admitted it was heavier due to his old age, but he was still able to keep up with and block Oro's kusangi. I think the sword wouldn't really come as a blitze, and some of them could dodge the sword.

Also, what does the "No speed features" thing mean?

[Nyruss]

So my claims are blatant fayboyism are they? Always have been as far as I can tell.

Coming from the fact u arn't even using feats anymore(well come to think of it, I don't think you've used any feats)?

It's a sword. It doesn't need feats for me to claim it can kill someone. That's what swords are for.

Ur just saying, "decapitate this" or "Oro will kill him". And that's just what he'll do.Heck dude, u think Hiruzen being weakened had nothing to do with Oro not getting fully sealed by the reaper death seal.

♪ Wrong wrong wrong wrong. ♪ Wrong wrong wrong wrong. ♪ You're wrooong. ♪ You're wrooong. ♪ You're wrooooooong. ♪ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY)

This is what we call a Straw Man, children. Skylar is misrepresenting my position in an attempt to discredit me.

Point of fact I said it doesn't matter because, again, even if the Fourth has a stronger pull than the Third, Orochimaru doesn't need to resist as long as he did against the Third, he only needs to resist long enough to kill the Fourth.

Also, what does the "No speed features" thing mean? He means no speed feats, and the Third was able to block the sword because Orochimaru was screwing around.

[Skylar]

Point of fact I said it doesn't matter because, again, even if the Fourth has a stronger pull than the Third, Orochimaru doesn't need to resist as long as he did against the Third, he only needs to resist long enough to kill the Fourth.

I'm just wondering, how is it that u think that Orochimaru is going to kill Minato if Minato's using reaper death seal on him?

When the reaper death seal jutsu is in effect (when the user has grabbed onto the opponent, and the reaper reaches through the user's soul and grabs the opponents soul) the target becomes paralyzed, and the user has to keep holding onto the target to keep the jutsu going. Orochimaru did have enough will power to make the kusangi inch a little bit more into Hiruzen(who was weakened), but that's not saying that Oro could possible resist the jutsu so much to behead someone.

In chapter 123- When Hiruzen first used the technique, he admited that he was unfamiliar with it.

In chapter 124- Hiruzen managed to grab Oro, but was still impaled with the kusangi(but Enma was able to stop it a little, so it wouldn't go completley through him). Oro even wondered why Hiruzen didn't avoid it, and Hiruzen stated he was going to die from the technique anyway so there was no need to avoid it.

Also In chapter 136- Hiruzen stated he had no more strength to pull out Orochimaru's whole soul.

No Dudemeister, your wrong. And I actually have proof of it, not some comediac song, or flame, or a false statement.


So in reality if Oro is about to strike Minato with the kusangi during the begining of the reaper death seal, he might have a chance of dodging it. With plot not involved, Minato won't be foolish like Hiruzen and take the strike anyways. Also; if an old man, who wasn't even familiar with the technique, who was weakened, was able to take out Oro's arms without being beheaded or killed I think Minato could have a pretty good chance with sealing Oro.


Also there's not much Oro can do to stop Kakashi from using chidori on him while he's immobile.

[Nyruss]

What part of "magic flying sword" do you not understand?

And Orochimaru won't be immobile long enough for Kakashi to become a serious threat.

This is of course operating under the utterly impossible assumption that Minato somehow manages to survive long enough to even use the DDCS.

Either way, there is no scenario in which Orochimaru could ever lose to the Fourth unless you SEVERELY limit him. More so than he already is limited that is.

[Skylar]

What part of "magic flying sword" do you not understand?

And Orochimaru won't be immobile long enough for Kakashi to become a serious threat.

This is of course operating under the utterly impossible assumption that Minato somehow manages to survive long enough to even use the DDCS.

Either way, there is no scenario in which Orochimaru could ever lose to the Fourth unless you SEVERELY limit him. More so than he already is limited that is.
It's not "magic", its a jutsu. Orochimaru has to move his fingers to use the sword in such a matter, if he's paralyzed he can't move it(except about a inch).

Really? A weakened Hiruzen had Orochimaru immobile for about 30min(estimate). I think that's more than enough time, and only u would probably disagree with me.

Also Orochimaru had a huge advantage over Hiruzen due to edo tensei, Orochimaru has no prep and no sacrifices. The only real threat to Minato is the kusangi. And this is part 1 Orochimaru(who hasn't shown the ability to extend the kusangi blade). The kusangi isn't exactly a trump card, all in all its a sword that Oro can either hold or use a hand sign to control and make it "fly", and its short range even if he's using a hand sign to control it.

Minato has three subourdinates who could throw tagged kunai at Oro(different directions) for Minato to severly suprise attack him with flying thunder god. Also Oro has really nothing to stop Gamabunta since snake summons are banned.

Minato could just throw maybe five tagged kunai at Oro, several or all could miss, and he'd have a huge advantage. Oro tries to slash Minato, Minato transports to one of the kunai to avoid it.

[Nyruss]

Magic jutsu tomayto tomahto. The point is, Minato can't kill Orochimaru.

[Skylar]

Magic jutsu tomayto tomahto. The point is, Minato can't kill Orochimaru.
Well I due believe I've made my point, you've failed to counter my last post at all, and now you've fallen to not even a full sentence that doesn't have a feat in it. A fanboyish statement, but no feats.

[colorles]

this is kid Kakashi right? if so, Orochimaru defeats him even with his limitations

Minato has to be the most overhyped character in Narutoverse. the notion that he can defeat Orochimaru with his known abilities is testament to this. however, this just shows how underated Orochimaru has become as well, and i'm sure Dudemeister will agree

i have seen tier list's of the 20 strongest character's ever in Narutoverse, and most people seem to place Minato at number 4 or 2 (usually below rikudo, Hachirama and Madara, and yes, above Pain); how overhyped can one character be? in comparison, Orochimaru lucky to make top 15, and Kakashi is usually listed between 18 and 20, when he can easily defeat Minato or pretty much anybody with current feats

just my two cents

[Nyruss]

I've presented my airtight case several times throughout the thread. You've done nothing but whine about how Minato is God Almighty and could smite Orochimaru with a flick of his little finger. I see no reason to continue debating you when you have compeltely failed to remotely debunk anything I've said beyond saying, "That won't work because if it did Minato would lose! OH NOEZORZ!!!"

And then when all else failed you try to defeat my arguments by splitting hairs, pointlessly attempting to differentiate between magic and jutsus.

You, my friend, are a wanker, a fanboy and yes, a troll.

Good day, madame.

[Skylar]

I've presented my airtight case several times throughout the thread. You've done nothing but whine about how Minato is God Almighty and could smite Orochimaru with a flick of his little finger. I see no reason to continue debating you when you have compeltely failed to remotely debunk anything I've said beyond saying, "That won't work because if it did Minato would lose! OH NOEZORZ!!!"

And then when all else failed you try to defeat my arguments by splitting hairs, pointlessly attempting to differentiate between magic and jutsus.

You, my friend, are a wanker, a fanboy and yes, a troll.

Good day, madame.
Saying Orochimaru has sword, and all he has to do is decapitate Minato isn't exactly a "Minato has no way to win" situation. I not really trying to differentiate between magic and jutsu, I stated one time(to each time u brought it up) and what was the proportion of me "Splitting hairs" maybe 20% of my counter? Maybe less? You trying say Minato more or less has no counter to the kusangi because its "magic", is kinda ridicuolus.

If I was wrong, u would take the time to counter my "wank, troll, and fanboyish" post.

So when u actually want to try and counter my posts. I would appreciate it if u wouldn't flame as much.

Edit: Oh yes, what was one of ur "Times" u brought up ur case? Ah, it was "Orochimaru Stomps" which is actually trolling.

[Nyruss]

Nice to see you admit that I'm right. So are all of us who matter agreed that Orochimaru wins?

[colorles]

well Dudemeister, i agree with you in this regard; Oro has too many weapons/abilities, and speed, and insane durability

[Skylar]

Nice to see you admit that I'm right. So are all of us who matter agreed that Orochimaru wins?
Whatever dude, say what u want, whenever u want to. I've presented feats, aside from ur "Case's". You failed to counter me, where I have countered u. All in all, u might need to quit before u get negged for trolling.

[Skylar]

well Dudemeister, i agree with you in this regard; Oro has too many weapons/abilities, and speed, and insane durability

But he has one weapon, hasn't shown many good speed feats, that last part I agree on but Oro has failed to be durable to the reaper death seal.

[[Shikamaru]]

Not sure why this has lasted 48 replies.

It's evident Minato has absolutely no chance.

Massive shadow snakes would wipe their entire team out.

Orochimaru's sword has faster speed features then Minato himself.

Not to mention he simply can't be killed. No chance he's getting death seal on him.

This debate is over.

[tanduhman]

;3334578']Not sure why this has lasted 48 replies.

It's evident Minato has absolutely no chance.

Massive shadow snakes would wipe their entire team out.

Orochimaru's sword has faster speed features then Minato himself.

Not to mention he simply can't be killed. No chance he's getting death seal on him.

This debate is over.
i guess the main question is if an old form of danzo was able to get orochimaru into the death seal than why cant minato? especially since minato can teleport to his special items

[[Shikamaru]]

Wow.

So tell me how he captures someone faster, with thousands of snakes coming toward him, and a diamond blade that stretches miles which is faster than him coming directly at him?

Aside from the fact Manda would crush him at start.

To be honest, the snake blade would likely kill him at start.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Manda>GG.

Manda and Sea of Snakes>>>>>>>>>>>GG.

[tanduhman]

;3334707']Wow.

So tell me how he captures someone faster, with thousands of snakes coming toward him, and a diamond blade that stretches miles which is faster than him coming directly at him?

Aside from the fact Manda would crush him at start.

To be honest, the snake blade would likely kill him at start.
i agree with you.. but again than how did the third hokage do it?

[[Shikamaru]]

i agree with you.. but again than how did the third hokage do it?
Welcome to storyline, my friend.

What's a better way to introduce the most boring kill jutsu in the series? Let the 3rd go down fighting with it.

Never would that have ever happened with the features Orochimaru has shown.

[tanduhman]

;3334758']Welcome to storyline, my friend.

What's a better way to introduce the most boring kill jutsu in the series? Let the 3rd go down fighting with it.

Never would that have ever happened with the features Orochimaru has shown.
alright fair enough.. agreed

[[Shikamaru]]

alright fair enough.. agreed
If more was shown on Minato, I'm sure he would be the victor in this.

However, he's only hype in this series.

[Skylar]

I see [Shikamaru], and SageoftheSixPaths haven't read the OP. It clearly states Orochimaru cannot summon any snakes, and that he can only use his jutsu that he's used in part 1.

@[Shikamaru]. How is Minato only hype? Yeah the whole "Minato sealing the Kyuubi" is hype, but it should be pretty clear Minato can use the reaper death seal jutsu; Seeing as Hiruzen has used it, and has stated it was the Fourth's jutsu, I don't really believe Hiruzen just one day said "The Fourth used the reaper death seal jutsu to seal away the kyuubi, even though I don't know he created it (and the fact he's the only recorded to know it), I have no proof he used it on the Kyuubi, and its just a rumor I'm still going to learn how to use it". Sure the "Sealing Kyuubi" part is hyped, but the jutsu itself is not since Hiruzen used it.

Also I can't really remember the kusangi having real good speed feats. I'm not saying ur wrong, I just can't remember any. Could u give me some feats of this, so I can know?

Minato's flying thunder god jutsu isn't hype, seeing as there has been some chapters where he's used it (we haven't seen alot of it, but enough to tell its not hype). We can also be pretty sure he can use the rasengan(seeing as he created it), and that he can summon Gamabunta.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

I see that Skylar can't read English. Otherwise he would have seen this:

"Location: Forest Of Death

Restrictions: Orochimaru can only use his moves from his fight with Sasuke in the original series (Part 1) but he has his snake jutsu's + his sword. NO snake sommons though

Distance: 90 Meters"

The OP contradicts itself since it's saying he has snake Jutsu but can't use them, which makes no sense. Therefore, the latter of the two restrictions is disregarded in favor of the original.

[Skylar]

I see that Skylar can't read English. Otherwise he would have seen this:

"Location: Forest Of Death

Restrictions: Orochimaru can only use his moves from his fight with Sasuke in the original series (Part 1) but he has his snake jutsu's + his sword. NO snake sommons though

Distance: 90 Meters"

The OP contradicts itself since it's saying he has snake Jutsu but can't use them, which makes no sense. Therefore, the latter of the two restrictions is disregarded in favor of the original.
Listen dude, I didn't mean to be offencive. Though u might be wrong, when the OP says he can use his snake jutsu(Part 1) it means his jutsu like striking shadow snake. The NO snake summons though, means he cannot summon snakes (like Manda). Also u put Orochimaru could use "Sea of Snakes", which is a Part 2 jutsu.

I guess I could be wrong, so I'm going to pm guy who created this thread and see what he meant for sure.

EDIT: Oh my gosh I can't believe I didn't realize this. The OP says he can only use his jutsu he's used in his fight with Sasuke in part 1. He never summoned Manda then, just that one snake that Naruto took out. But on the other hand it says he has his snake jutsu, which could mean from part 1 & part 2.

[Tourune]

Manda>GG.

Manda and Sea of Snakes>>>>>>>>>>>GG.

;3334758']Welcome to storyline, my friend.

What's a better way to introduce the most boring kill jutsu in the series? Let the 3rd go down fighting with it.

Never would that have ever happened with the features Orochimaru has shown.

I see [Shikamaru], and SageoftheSixPaths haven't read the OP. It clearly states Orochimaru cannot summon any snakes, and that he can only use his jutsu that he's used in part 1.

@[Shikamaru]. How is Minato only hype? Yeah the whole "Minato sealing the Kyuubi" is hype, but it should be pretty clear Minato can use the reaper death seal jutsu; Seeing as Hiruzen has used it, and has stated it was the Fourth's jutsu, I don't really believe Hiruzen just one day said "The Fourth used the reaper death seal jutsu to seal away the kyuubi, even though I don't know he created it (and the fact he's the only recorded to know it), I have no proof he used it on the Kyuubi, and its just a rumor I'm still going to learn how to use it". Sure the "Sealing Kyuubi" part is hyped, but the jutsu itself is not since Hiruzen used it.

Also I can't really remember the kusangi having real good speed feats. I'm not saying ur wrong, I just can't remember any. Could u give me some feats of this, so I can know?

Minato's flying thunder god jutsu isn't hype, seeing as there has been some chapters where he's used it (we haven't seen alot of it, but enough to tell its not hype). We can also be pretty sure he can use the rasengan(seeing as he created it), and that he can summon Gamabunta.

I see that Skylar can't read English. Otherwise he would have seen this:

"Location: Forest Of Death

Restrictions: Orochimaru can only use his moves from his fight with Sasuke in the original series (Part 1) but he has his snake jutsu's + his sword. NO snake sommons though

Distance: 90 Meters"

The OP contradicts itself since it's saying he has snake Jutsu but can't use them, which makes no sense. Therefore, the latter of the two restrictions is disregarded in favor of the original.

Listen dude, I didn't mean to be offencive. Though u might be wrong, when the OP says he can use his snake jutsu(Part 1) it means his jutsu like striking shadow snake. The NO snake summons though, means he cannot summon snakes (like Manda). Also u put Orochimaru could use "Sea of Snakes", which is a Part 2 jutsu.

I guess I could be wrong, so I'm going to pm guy who created this thread and see what he meant for sure.

EDIT: Oh my gosh I can't believe I didn't realize this. The OP says he can only use his jutsu he's used in his fight with Sasuke in part 1. He never summoned Manda then, just that one snake that Naruto took out. But on the other hand it says he has his snake jutsu, which could mean from part 1 & part 2.
Orochimaru can only use his moves from his fight with Sasuke in the original series (Part 1) but he has his snake jutsu's + his sword. NO sommons though, meaning every snake jutsu from part 1 he can use exept for sommons like Manda and the 3 headed snake, hope its clear now.

[Tourune]

Orochimaru stomps.

Orochimaru rapes for reasons I hold to be self-evident.

And you're wrong. Kakashi is the only real threat and he's got nothing on Orochimaru.

Yes because the only thing about him that could possibly pose a threat is the Dead Demon Consuming Seal, and Orochimaru's already proven he can withstand that long enough to kill the caster.

Oro's faster then all of them so he would blitz them and Minato was said to be stronger then him but you can't prove it off our knowledge of him.

Yamata no Jutsu, GG.

Irrelevant. He doesn't have to resist forever, or even as long as he did against the Third, just long enough to have his magic flaoty sword decapitate Minato.

He has his snake jutsus, and Hydra is definitely a snake jutsu.

Well, either way, it doesn't matter. Orochimaru doesn't need Hydra to win this.

Ok really when you get sealed by Shiki Fuujin you stay alive, and the user dies.

;3318653']Orochimaru.

Minato has no speed features.

Simple blitz with Snake blade would wipe all four of them out.

Although it's evident Minato is the favorite due to hype.

No feats, no win.

What part of "magic flying sword" do you not understand?

And Orochimaru won't be immobile long enough for Kakashi to become a serious threat.

This is of course operating under the utterly impossible assumption that Minato somehow manages to survive long enough to even use the DDCS.

Either way, there is no scenario in which Orochimaru could ever lose to the Fourth unless you SEVERELY limit him. More so than he already is limited that is.

Magic jutsu tomayto tomahto. The point is, Minato can't kill Orochimaru.

this is kid Kakashi right? if so, Orochimaru defeats him even with his limitations

Minato has to be the most overhyped character in Narutoverse. the notion that he can defeat Orochimaru with his known abilities is testament to this. however, this just shows how underated Orochimaru has become as well, and i'm sure Dudemeister will agree

i have seen tier list's of the 20 strongest character's ever in Narutoverse, and most people seem to place Minato at number 4 or 2 (usually below rikudo, Hachirama and Madara, and yes, above Pain); how overhyped can one character be? in comparison, Orochimaru lucky to make top 15, and Kakashi is usually listed between 18 and 20, when he can easily defeat Minato or pretty much anybody with current feats

just my two cents

I've presented my airtight case several times throughout the thread. You've done nothing but whine about how Minato is God Almighty and could smite Orochimaru with a flick of his little finger. I see no reason to continue debating you when you have compeltely failed to remotely debunk anything I've said beyond saying, "That won't work because if it did Minato would lose! OH NOEZORZ!!!"

And then when all else failed you try to defeat my arguments by splitting hairs, pointlessly attempting to differentiate between magic and jutsus.

You, my friend, are a wanker, a fanboy and yes, a troll.

Good day, madame.

Nice to see you admit that I'm right. So are all of us who matter agreed that Orochimaru wins?

well Dudemeister, i agree with you in this regard; Oro has too many weapons/abilities, and speed, and insane durability


;3334578']Not sure why this has lasted 48 replies.

It's evident Minato has absolutely no chance.

Massive shadow snakes would wipe their entire team out.

Orochimaru's sword has faster speed features then Minato himself.

Not to mention he simply can't be killed. No chance he's getting death seal on him.

This debate is over.

;3334707']Wow.

So tell me how he captures someone faster, with thousands of snakes coming toward him, and a diamond blade that stretches miles which is faster than him coming directly at him?

Aside from the fact Manda would crush him at start.

To be honest, the snake blade would likely kill him at start.

Manda>GG.

Manda and Sea of Snakes>>>>>>>>>>>GG.

I see [Shikamaru], and SageoftheSixPaths haven't read the OP. It clearly states Orochimaru cannot summon any snakes, and that he can only use his jutsu that he's used in part 1.

@[Shikamaru]. How is Minato only hype? Yeah the whole "Minato sealing the Kyuubi" is hype, but it should be pretty clear Minato can use the reaper death seal jutsu; Seeing as Hiruzen has used it, and has stated it was the Fourth's jutsu, I don't really believe Hiruzen just one day said "The Fourth used the reaper death seal jutsu to seal away the kyuubi, even though I don't know he created it (and the fact he's the only recorded to know it), I have no proof he used it on the Kyuubi, and its just a rumor I'm still going to learn how to use it". Sure the "Sealing Kyuubi" part is hyped, but the jutsu itself is not since Hiruzen used it.

Also I can't really remember the kusangi having real good speed feats. I'm not saying ur wrong, I just can't remember any. Could u give me some feats of this, so I can know?

Minato's flying thunder god jutsu isn't hype, seeing as there has been some chapters where he's used it (we haven't seen alot of it, but enough to tell its not hype). We can also be pretty sure he can use the rasengan(seeing as he created it), and that he can summon Gamabunta.

I see that Skylar can't read English. Otherwise he would have seen this:

"Location: Forest Of Death

Restrictions: Orochimaru can only use his moves from his fight with Sasuke in the original series (Part 1) but he has his snake jutsu's + his sword. NO snake sommons though

Distance: 90 Meters"

The OP contradicts itself since it's saying he has snake Jutsu but can't use them, which makes no sense. Therefore, the latter of the two restrictions is disregarded in favor of the original.
WOWOWOW!!! at first i thought Oro but after thinking about it.
#1. Orochimaru has no counter to Gamabunta
#2. If Oro tries to kill anyone from the tem Minato will save them like he did with Kakashi
#3. In this place Orochimaru's best option is hideing and secretly attacking, in which Minato will find him, leaving Oro open to all attacks
#4. There are team members to breack Oro's genjutsu
#5. Rin's medical brains heal the team from Poison or any other trick from Oro's arsenal
#6. If Hiruzen who was 69 took Oro's arms then Minato who CREATED AND MASTERED the jutsu AND who is around 25-30 should definetly take Oro's full soul

[Nyruss]

#1. Orochimaru has no counter to Gamabunta

Irrelevant. Minato won't survive long enough to summon.

#2. If Oro tries to kill anyone from the tem Minato will save them like he did with Kakashi

1: Minato is dead already.
2: Only Kakashi has sealed kunai.
3: Even if he weren't dead, his attempt to save his students would get him killed because all he would do is bring himself into Orochimaru's sights, and with no way to avoid Oro's attacks, he dies.

#3. In this place Orochimaru's best option is hideing and secretly attacking, in which Minato will find him, leaving Oro open to all attacks

1: Not really.
2: Prove it.

#4. There are team members to breack Oro's genjutsu
He doesn't need genjutsu.

#5. Rin's medical brains heal the team from Poison or any other trick from Oro's arsenal


Prove it.


#6. If Hiruzen who was 69 took Oro's arms then Minato who CREATED AND MASTERED the jutsu AND who is around 25-30 should definetly take Oro's full soul

Not before being killed. Also prove Minato created it and prove he mastered it.

As usual, Tourune's wank does nothing but tear down the side he's arguing for.

[Tourune]

Irrelevant. Minato won't survive long enough to summon.



1: Minato is dead already.
2: Only Kakashi has sealed kunai.
3: Even if he weren't dead, his attempt to save his students would get him killed because all he would do is bring himself into Orochimaru's sights, and with no way to avoid Oro's attacks, he dies.



1: Not really.
2: Prove it.


He doesn't need genjutsu.



Prove it.




Not before being killed. Also prove Minato created it and prove he mastered it.

As usual, Tourune's wank does nothing but tear down the side he's arguing for.
Want Proof, go to Naruto Wikia caz thats all im gonna tell you so you might as well read it you self. Minato will definetly have time to sommon. He took on the 9 Tails, wat's Oro gonna do? and i want you to give me a logical explination on how Oro wins

[Rasen_Chidori]

The problem with any Minato vs anyone is that we know very liitle about Minato's full abilities, the only things we have to go on are the fight with Kyuubi (that as of yet, we have very little info on), and the glimpse of his power that we saw in Kakashi Gaiden, everything else is only what has been said by other characters. Therefore it is very hard to make any compelling argument for how Minato would fight in any given situation. There are too many questions that have no answer, It has been hinted that he was very fast, but how fast is that?, What were his Taijutsu abilities like?, Did he have any skill with Genjutsu?, What other jutsu did he have?, etc

So, based on just what we know for sure, Oro would probably win. But if we knew more, Minato would likely win easily.

[Nyruss]

The Naruto wikia in not proof of anything. The manga is the primary canon, so use it to back up your utterly baseless claims.

I've provided a logical reason for Orochimaru to win a dozen times or more, you just don't want to accept it because you're mad that the Fourth isn't omnipotent.

[Tourune]

The Naruto wikia in not proof of anything. The manga is the primary canon, so use it to back up your utterly baseless claims.

I've provided a logical reason for Orochimaru to win a dozen times or more, you just don't want to accept it because you're mad that the Fourth isn't omnipotent.
Minato can dodge Oro's sword, his wind jutsu's, he's faster than Oro, He can breack out of Oro's Genjutsu, He can slash Oro's snakes and can sommon Gamabunta to kill Oro.

[gama-sennin]

we need to stop threads involving minato as we dont know much about his abilities.
@dudemiester
dude you need to calm down a little, this is not world war. The kind of arguments you use are fine but your language is not.

[Kuromaki]

Minato can dodge Oro's sword, his wind jutsu's, he's faster than Oro, He can breack out of Oro's Genjutsu, He can slash Oro's snakes and can sommon Gamabunta to kill Oro.
Minato has shown little to no speed feats putting him on Oro's level. he has also shown no wind jutsus

[Nyruss]

Minato can dodge Oro's swordProve it.

his wind jutsu's
The Fourth has no wind jutsus.

he's faster than OroProve it.

He can breack out of Oro's Genjutsu, Prove it.


He can slash Oro's snakes and can sommon Gamabunta to kill Oro.

Prove he can do that before Orochimaru kills him without trying.


NOTE: Prove it without trying to reference the Naruto wikia because we both know that it doesn't have anything to remotely prove Minato can do the things you claim.

[Skylar]

I'm just going to ask this Dudemeister, Could u give any kusangi speed feats? And do take into account it can only be from part 1.

Also I don't think Orochimaru from part 1 has anything that can kill Minato at 90 meters before he summons Gamabunta. I could be wrong, but I can't think of anything at the moment.