Sasuke and Kakashi vs Itachi and Naruto

[Noctis Arashi]

Who wins?

Place: Destroyed Kohona
Starting distance:200 meters.

Restrictions: Sasuke has EMS
Itachi is healthy
Kakashi can use Kamui twice
Naruto can enter sage mode twice each time lasting 10 minutes.
Naruto has a max of 1 Rasen shuriken.


Who wins?

[gama-sennin]

Since we dont know the powers of sasuke's EMS i'll go with Itachi and Naruto. There is no way anybody will be able to beat this pair.

[Noctis Arashi]

Since we dont know the powers of sasuke's EMS i'll go with Itachi and Naruto. There is no way anybody will be able to beat this pair.
Its basically the same just he doesn't get exhausted and can spam MS hax moves.

[Bangatron]

Who wins?

Place: Destroyed Kohona
Starting distance:200 meters.

Restrictions: Sasuke has EMS
Itachi is healthy
Kakashi can use Kamui twice
Naruto can enter sage mode twice each time lasting 10 minutes.
Naruto has a max of 1 Rasen shuriken.


Who wins?
Assuming they are bloodlusted.

Sasuke goes into Susanoo and so does Itachi. They have a quick fight the eventually Itachi will win because of his Spirit Sword.

Kakashi Kamui's Naruto's head off before he can react, and then attempts to Kamui Itachi's Susanoo off. Thus leaving

Full MS Haxxed Susanoo up Sasuke and Tired Kakashi vs Itachi tired and no Super Powered Susanoo. From there it is easy.

[Noctis Arashi]

Assuming they are bloodlusted.

Sasuke goes into Susanoo and so does Itachi. They have a quick fight the eventually Itachi will win because of his Spirit Sword.

Kakashi Kamui's Naruto's head off before he can react, and then attempts to Kamui Itachi's Susanoo off. Thus leaving

Full MS Haxxed Susanoo up Sasuke and Tired Kakashi vs Itachi tired and no Super Powered Susanoo. From there it is easy.

Assuming they are blood lusted. Naruto goes into sage mode and rasenshurikens kakashi before he kamuis anything.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Assuming they are blood lusted. Naruto goes into sage mode and rasenshurikens kakashi before he kamuis anything.
That takes time and going into SM<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<A Kamui.

[yo.]

CU that is besides the point. the origional poster said nothing about not having prep time. just so everyone knows naruto knows the rules for the sharingan eye as well as anyone else so all he has to do is keep his head down. now, naruto and itachi win because:
1. itachi couldve easily beaten sasuke as explained by itachi
2. naruto sage mode, lets see, (A) super fast, and strong (B) in addition to the fox, even more healing powers. remember the origional in the chunin exams, right after the naruto vs. kiba fight? yea that then add sage mode.
3. assuming kakashi had prep time like naruto for his MS naruto can move faster than the eye so it doesnt matter for him. Kakashi has to look at something to hit it, so he is in itachis genjutsu already.
naruto and itachi win.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Since we dont know the powers of sasuke's EMS i'll go with Itachi and Naruto. There is no way anybody will be able to beat this pair.

Actually, plenty of people can defeat them, including Sasuke and Kakashi.

Assuming they are blood lusted. Naruto goes into sage mode and rasenshurikens kakashi before he kamuis anything.

Naruto does not have the prep for SM, if he tried he'd get his head Kamui'd off.

CU that is besides the point. the origional poster said nothing about not having prep time. just so everyone knows naruto knows the rules for the sharingan eye as well as anyone else so all he has to do is keep his head down. now, naruto and itachi win because:
1. itachi couldve easily beaten sasuke as explained by itachi
2. naruto sage mode, lets see, (A) super fast, and strong (B) in addition to the fox, even more healing powers. remember the origional in the chunin exams, right after the naruto vs. kiba fight? yea that then add sage mode.
3. assuming kakashi had prep time like naruto for his MS naruto can move faster than the eye so it doesnt matter for him. Kakashi has to look at something to hit it, so he is in itachis genjutsu already.
naruto and itachi win.

Kakashi is the only one necessary.

Kakashi doesn't need much prep time, if any, to activate MS. As seen when he Kamui'd the two Susanoo arrows, he can use it pretty quickly, or are you assuming he has MS active all the time?

Also, Kakashi should be able to dispel the genjutsu. Imo if Kakashi used Kamui and Itachi used genjutsu at the same time, Kakashi might get screwed with but Itachi's head gets warped off, GG.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

CU that is besides the point. the origional poster said nothing about not having prep time. just so everyone knows naruto knows the rules for the sharingan eye as well as anyone else so all he has to do is keep his head down. now, naruto and itachi win because:
1. itachi couldve easily beaten sasuke as explained by itachi
2. naruto sage mode, lets see, (A) super fast, and strong (B) in addition to the fox, even more healing powers. remember the origional in the chunin exams, right after the naruto vs. kiba fight? yea that then add sage mode.
3. assuming kakashi had prep time like naruto for his MS naruto can move faster than the eye so it doesnt matter for him. Kakashi has to look at something to hit it, so he is in itachis genjutsu already.
naruto and itachi win.
1. Itachi explained that he could beat Sasuke? wut? That was then and this is now, If Itachi doesn't have Susanoo I'm fairly certain Sasuke could win.
2. (A) He doesn't have prep (B) He doesn't have that kind of time
@ The other parts he can't heal his head :P
3. SM not MS. So your saying he is bazillion times faster than as Susanoo arrow.
4. Not really, Itachi will most likely aee the threat is Sasuke.

[yo.]

1. sorry as explained by madara *lightbulb* and i forgot his name. the guy with the two faces. itachi was on my mind so i accidently typed itachi.
2. (A) did the author say no prep time? (B) didnt you just say that?
3.uhh. why? Mongekyo Sharingan. MS. why SM? o haha no i meant if kakashi had time to prep his mongekyo. nope im saying you need to see what you have to shoot. i dont remember shooting a deer with my eyes closed.
4. who says? this isnt about which character thinks what. its about who wins by using the characters abilities to the best possible outcome. by saying that you have approved my theroy more by my thoughts.

[Yellow Flash]

With Kakashi's new reaction speed feats he solo's this with relative ease, only exhaustion being the outcome.

[Miles Edgeworth]

1. sorry as explained by madara *lightbulb* and i forgot his name. the guy with the two faces. itachi was on my mind so i accidently typed itachi.
2. (A) did the author say no prep time? (B) didnt you just say that?
3.uhh. why? Mongekyo Sharingan. MS. why SM? o haha no i meant if kakashi had time to prep his mongekyo. nope im saying you need to see what you have to shoot. i dont remember shooting a deer with my eyes closed.
4. who says? this isnt about which character thinks what. its about who wins by using the characters abilities to the best possible outcome. by saying that you have approved my theroy more by my thoughts.

What's with all of this no prep time issue? If a character isn't given prep time, they don't have it. It's annoying how people always say "Well they didn't say they don't have prep time so they have it" because in a straight up fight, your opponent will not give you freaking prep time.

I don't understand your analogy regarding MS. Far as I'm concerned if Kakashi can Kamui Susanoo arrows he can Kamui Naruto and Itachi.

[yo.]

*sigh* dont u remember how much friken energy kamui takes!? THINK. it doesnt matter for naruto, he still has his clones at mount myboko or whatever its called. Kakashi cant kamui left and right that is a fact. once or twice maybe even three times but nothing more. he will die.
now, yellow flash, which feat? im pretty sure his reactions dont match non-human standards.
what i was saying earlier is that kakashi has to see itachi to kamui him right? well all itachi has to do is make sure kakashi sees his ring and there isnt any blowing heads up with itachi. look in his eyes=genjutsu. simple.

[Bangatron]

*sigh* dont u remember how much friken energy kamui takes!? THINK. it doesnt matter for naruto, he still has his clones at mount myboko or whatever its called. Kakashi cant kamui left and right that is a fact. once or twice maybe even three times but nothing more. he will die.
now, yellow flash, which feat? im pretty sure his reactions dont match non-human standards.
what i was saying earlier is that kakashi has to see itachi to kamui him right? well all itachi has to do is make sure kakashi sees his ring and there isnt any blowing heads up with itachi. look in his eyes=genjutsu. simple.
Go read the Pain vs Kakashi fight or Kakashi vs Sasue fight.

[Miles Edgeworth]

*sigh* dont u remember how much friken energy kamui takes!? THINK. it doesnt matter for naruto, he still has his clones at mount myboko or whatever its called. Kakashi cant kamui left and right that is a fact. once or twice maybe even three times but nothing more. he will die.
now, yellow flash, which feat? im pretty sure his reactions dont match non-human standards.
what i was saying earlier is that kakashi has to see itachi to kamui him right? well all itachi has to do is make sure kakashi sees his ring and there isnt any blowing heads up with itachi. look in his eyes=genjutsu. simple.

Do you even read the manga? Imo Kakashi Kamui'ing two Susanoo arrows in seconds is much faster than Naruto going into SM.

Your points would be valid if we were talking about years ago when Kakashi's Kamui was not developed. Unfortunately, this is now, CURRENT Kakashi, in the manga, who has enhanced reaction speeds.

Imo Itachi catching Kakashi in genjutsu is gonna take more time than Kakashi Kamui'ing him, and even if he does catch him in genjutsu he either breaks out or Kamui's Itachi before he can die.

Of course, this is all assuming Sasuke just stands here and does nothing, which is a viable option.

Sasuke could easily distract Itachi for long enough that Kakashi can Kamui him, GG.

[lolohwd]

since were on this speed kick
what if itachi uses tsukiyomi on kakashi immediately that will weaken him then itachi could use amateresu to burn kakashi but kakahsi uses kamui. while this is happening sasuke and sm naruto are just fighting i dont know who would win. if itachi can get off tsukiyomi first since itachi is fast kakashi would be severly weakened then again like everyone is saying *sigh* kakashi can just kamui peoples heads off

[Miles Edgeworth]

since were on this speed kick
what if itachi uses tsukiyomi on kakashi immediately that will weaken him then itachi could use amateresu to burn kakashi but kakahsi uses kamui. while this is happening sasuke and sm naruto are just fighting i dont know who would win. if itachi can get off tsukiyomi first since itachi is fast kakashi would be severly weakened then again like everyone is saying *sigh* kakashi can just kamui peoples heads off

Well if Kakashi is focusing on SM Naruto Itachi won't get a chance to do too much to him.

Regarding Tsukuyomi, Sasuke got out of it before so he could most certainly do it again. Kakashi could potentially do the same, though this is unconfirmed.

If Kakashi gets SM Naruto first then it's pretty much over since Sasuke and Kakashi should be able to double team Itachi handily.

[Ultimate combatant]

Either way Itachi and Naruto win.
Kakashi cannot Kamui Itachi. He will already be in a genjutsu. Even if he tries to break, he is going to already be dead. Than Itachi easily kills Sasuke problem solved. They then drink a lemonade.
Or Kakashi realizes he can`t Kamui Itachi, so he decides he will take out Naruto putting faith into plan that Sasuke and him can somehow defeat Itachi. He tries to Kamui Naruto and succeeds, but... That was Kage Bunshin.
Naruto Rasenshuriken Kakashi from behind. Itachi kills Sasuke. End of the story. Itachi and Naruto go for some Ramen,... Or lemonade!!!

[Miles Edgeworth]

Either way Itachi and Naruto win.
Kakashi cannot Kamui Itachi. He will already be in a genjutsu. Even if he tries to break, he is going to already be dead. Than Itachi easily kills Sasuke problem solved. They then drink a lemonade.
Or Kakashi realizes he can`t Kamui Itachi, so he decides he will take out Naruto putting faith into plan that Sasuke and him can somehow defeat Itachi. He tries to Kamui Naruto and succeeds, but... That was Kage Bunshin.
Naruto Rasenshuriken Kakashi from behind. Itachi kills Sasuke. End of the story. Itachi and Naruto go for some Ramen,... Or lemonade!!!

Kakashi can easily Kamui Itachi's head off before he can do anything of note.

How is Kakashi going to be already dead? Nothing Itachi has will actually kill Kakashi, and Kakashi could easily fake and play dead and then Kamui the off guard Itachi. Of course this is all assuming Itachi doesn't die before that.

Naruto does not have the reaction speed to make a clone to replace him before getting Kamui'd. Maybe make a clone beforehand, but not quickly enough for the clone to protect him.

Sasuke may be inferior to Itachi but he won't die instantly, thus giving Kakashi ample time to Kamui him.

[yo.]

No blowing itachis head off!!! Genjutsu cu, genjutsu!!!

[Ultimate combatant]

Kakashi can easily Kamui Itachi's head off before he can do anything of note.

How is Kakashi going to be already dead? Nothing Itachi has will actually kill Kakashi, and Kakashi could easily fake and play dead and then Kamui the off guard Itachi. Of course this is all assuming Itachi doesn't die before that.

Naruto does not have the reaction speed to make a clone to replace him before getting Kamui'd. Maybe make a clone beforehand, but not quickly enough for the clone to protect him.

Sasuke may be inferior to Itachi but he won't die instantly, thus giving Kakashi ample time to Kamui him.

When there is more than 5 Naruto(s) Kakashi won`t know which one to Kamui!!! If he tries to Kamui Itachi, he is already in Genjutsu. While trying to break out he is vulnerable to stabbing, decapitating and such!!!

[tanduhman]

Kakashi can easily Kamui Itachi's head off before he can do anything of note.

How is Kakashi going to be already dead? Nothing Itachi has will actually kill Kakashi, and Kakashi could easily fake and play dead and then Kamui the off guard Itachi. Of course this is all assuming Itachi doesn't die before that.

Naruto does not have the reaction speed to make a clone to replace him before getting Kamui'd. Maybe make a clone beforehand, but not quickly enough for the clone to protect him.

Sasuke may be inferior to Itachi but he won't die instantly, thus giving Kakashi ample time to Kamui him.
this is all I hear now in fights that involve kakashi.... kamui kamui kamui kamui kamui kamuikamui kamui kamuikamui kamui kamuikamui kamui kamuikamui kamui kamuikamui kamui kamuikamui kamui kamui..

Seriusly how is kakshi going to kamui either character when there is a masive wall of naruto clones blocking the sight of both naruto, and itachi. This proves your argument useless for he has to actually see what he is kamuiiiin.

From here on naruto summons gamabunta which basically handels kakashi while itachi handels sasuke on his own. thus giving time for naruto to enter sm..GG

[Miles Edgeworth]

When there is more than 5 Naruto(s) Kakashi won`t know which one to Kamui!!! If he tries to Kamui Itachi, he is already in Genjutsu. While trying to break out he is vulnerable to stabbing, decapitating and such!!!

Except there's something called the original Naruto, which Kakashi can track down, seeing as how Base Naruto is slower than Kakashi. Kakashi can easily keep track of the real one. Of course, this is assuming Kakashi gives Naruto the time to make enough clones to do anything.

How much time does it possibly take to break out of Tsukuyomi? Sasuke broke out of it pretty quickly with regular Sharingan, why can't Kakashi?

this is all I hear now in fights that involve kakashi.... kamui kamui kamui kamui kamui kamuikamui kamui kamuikamui kamui kamuikamui kamui kamuikamui kamui kamuikamui kamui kamuikamui kamui kamui..

Seriusly how is kakshi going to kamui either character when there is a masive wall of naruto clones blocking the sight of both naruto, and itachi. This proves your argument useless for he has to actually see what he is kamuiiiin.

From here on naruto summons gamabunta which basically handels kakashi while itachi handels sasuke on his own. thus giving time for naruto to enter sm..GG

That's because it's really all Kakashi has =P

How is Naruto going to make a massive wall of clones when Kakashi Kamuis him xD Seriously though, Kakashi Kamui'd two Susanoo arrows in close range, no way is Naruto going to make enough clones to do that, he won't have nearly enough time.

Actually it doesn't prove my argument useless because Naruto can't make that many clones before getting his head warped off. Far as I'm concerned, the moment Naruto makes the handseal his head is gone.

If Naruto summons Gamabunta then it's clear which one is preparing SM. Kakashi could easily Kamui that one, of course that's all assuming Kakashi doesn't kill him beforehand, which is the simpler and much more likely option.

Sasuke can easily delay Itachi long enough for a surprise attack, GG.

[Tourune]

Naruto goes 6 tails and meanacing balls Kakashi. Itachi Sasunoo blades Sasuke OR Naruto FRS Sasuke. Itachi Tsuki's Kakashi.

[Nyruss]

Naruto can't go 6 tails without extreme emotional trauma. Unless Kakashi decides to use Kamui on Sasuke, it ain't happening. Itachi gets Kamuid Naruto gets Kamuid. There is literally nothing they can do to win this fight.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Naruto goes 6 tails and meanacing balls Kakashi. Itachi Sasunoo blades Sasuke OR Naruto FRS Sasuke. Itachi Tsuki's Kakashi.

Naruto can't control Kyuubi yet.

If Itachi tried to use Susanoo he gets his head Kamui'd off.

If Naruto tried to use FRS he gets his head Kamui'd off.

Again, if Sasuke can break out of Tsukuyomi why can't Kakashi? Plus Kakashi could easily fake and pretend to be down and then surprise Kamui him.

I know I sound like a broken record, but Kamui's become broken (no pun intended) to the point where Kakashi can kill most of Narutoverse with it.

[Ultimate combatant]

@Miles Edgeworth:

With starting distance 200 meters I don`t see Naruto being unable to do Kage Bunshin!!!

[Nyruss]

Sharingan can tell the difference between Shadow Clones and the real thing.

[Tourune]

Naruto can't go 6 tails without extreme emotional trauma. Unless Kakashi decides to use Kamui on Sasuke, it ain't happening. Itachi gets Kamuid Naruto gets Kamuid. There is literally nothing they can do to win this fight.

Naruto can't control Kyuubi yet.

If Itachi tried to use Susanoo he gets his head Kamui'd off.

If Naruto tried to use FRS he gets his head Kamui'd off.

Again, if Sasuke can break out of Tsukuyomi why can't Kakashi? Plus Kakashi could easily fake and pretend to be down and then surprise Kamui him.

I know I sound like a broken record, but Kamui's become broken (no pun intended) to the point where Kakashi can kill most of Narutoverse with it.
Naruto uses Gamabanta then. Itachi uses Tsuki then. Caz Kakashi broke out of it Before right? Nope. Also Itachi > Kakashi - Speed so no sneek attacks

[Nyruss]

Itachi gets Kamuid Naruto gets Kamuid. There is literally nothing they can do to win this fight.

[Ultimate combatant]

Sharingan can tell the difference between Shadow Clones and the real thing.

No, it can`t, because the distribution of Chakra is the keyword. Not even Byakugan can see which one it is. Watch/Read Naruto vs Neji and even Itachi couldn`t know the difference between Kage Bunshin and real thing!!!

[Nyruss]

Sasuke proved several times that he tell the difference between clones and Naruto. This was back in part 1 when Sasuke weasn't gaining random powerups by the minute, so that function also exists in other Sharingans. Not like it matters because Kakashi would Kamui Naruto's head off before he can use it.

[Ultimate combatant]

Sasuke proved several times that he tell the difference between clones and Naruto. This was back in part 1 when Sasuke weasn't gaining random powerups by the minute, so that function also exists in other Sharingans. Not like it matters because Kakashi would Kamui Naruto's head off before he can use it.

When Naruto and Kakashi fought Itachi (who is much more skilled than Sasuke) Kakashi made Kage Bunshin so he would not get caught in Genjutsu. Itachi realized it was a Kage Bunshin only when he realised the Kakashi in Genjutsu doesn`t seem normal!!!

[Tourune]

Itachi gets Kamuid Naruto gets Kamuid. There is literally nothing they can do to win this fight.
From 200 Meters? not happening. also at 200 meters Naruto goes Sage + Itachi Brings Sasunoo. Kakashi + Sasuke come in a better view then Naruto uses FRS + kills Kakashi. + dont even say Kakashi Kamui's that caz An expanded FRS is TOO much. also with the Kamui thing, Kakashi i really want Proof that he can Kamui a WHOLE body. and no one is being Kamuied at 200 meters.

[Yellow Flash]

When Naruto and Kakashi fought Itachi (who is much more skilled than Sasuke) Kakashi made Kage Bunshin so he would not get caught in Genjutsu. Itachi realized it was a Kage Bunshin only when he realised the Kakashi in Genjutsu doesn`t seem normal!!!
30% Itachi, nuff said.
From 200 Meters? not happening. also at 200 meters Naruto goes Sage + Itachi Brings Sasunoo. Kakashi + Sasuke come in a better view then Naruto uses FRS + kills Kakashi. + dont even say Kakashi Kamui's that caz An expanded FRS is TOO much. also with the Kamui thing, Kakashi i really want Proof that he can Kamui a WHOLE body. and no one is being Kamuied at 200 meters.
It doesn't matter the distance as long as Kakashi can see them they're getting Kamui'd.

[Nyruss]

When Naruto and Kakashi fought Itachi (who is much more skilled than Sasuke) Kakashi made Kage Bunshin so he would not get caught in Genjutsu. Itachi realized it was a Kage Bunshin only when he realised the Kakashi in Genjutsu doesn`t seem normal!!!
Because there's no chance Itachi was faking it, amirite?

From 200 Meters? not happening.

Let's say for the sake of argument that you're right and Kakashi can't use Kamui from that distance.

Once again you fail at perspective. Kakashi is supersonic and being (for the sake of argument) Mach 2, can move 200 meters in less than a third of a second, allowing him to easily get within range while Naruto and Itachi are sitting around with their thumbs up their asses.

also at 200 meters Naruto goes Sage + Itachi Brings Sasunoo.
Naruto won't have enough time to use Sage Mode and even in the unlikely event that Itachi does somehow manage to activate Susanoo in that time(of which there is no proof that he can), it won't prevent Kakashi from Kamuiing his head off.


Naruto uses FRS Prove he can use FRS when he doesn't have a head anymore.

[Shikamaru Nara]

EMS doesn't actually have a real use at this point in the manga, so I'm going to assume that it's fodder.

It's been proven that healthy Itachi would've beaten Sasuke if he wanted to and were healthy, so I won't debate that either.

Naruto and Itachi beat Kakashi. Tsukiyomi before Kakashi gets to use Kamui because it takes prep.

[Miles Edgeworth]

From 200 Meters? not happening. also at 200 meters Naruto goes Sage + Itachi Brings Sasunoo. Kakashi + Sasuke come in a better view then Naruto uses FRS + kills Kakashi. + dont even say Kakashi Kamui's that caz An expanded FRS is TOO much. also with the Kamui thing, Kakashi i really want Proof that he can Kamui a WHOLE body. and no one is being Kamuied at 200 meters.

With supersonic speed it's really easy to close the gap.

Even if they stood long range, Itachi can't do crap from there since Amaterasu is easily dodgeable from that distance and the only thing he can possibly use. FRS can be dodged from that distance too, and then Naruto just exhausts his chakra, GG.

He doesn't have to get the whole body, he Kamuis the head off, end of discussion.

EMS doesn't actually have a real use at this point in the manga, so I'm going to assume that it's fodder.

It's been proven that healthy Itachi would've beaten Sasuke if he wanted to and were healthy, so I won't debate that either.

Naruto and Itachi beat Kakashi. Tsukiyomi before Kakashi gets to use Kamui because it takes prep.

Itachi>Sasuke but not to a point where he decimates him before Naruto falls. If Itachi is too preoccupied by Sasuke he will be vulnerable to Kamui.

The prep time it requires is all but a second, not enough time for Itachi or Naruto to do much of anything.

[Tourune]

Because there's no chance Itachi was faking it, amirite?



Let's say for the sake of argument that you're right and Kakashi can't use Kamui from that distance.

Once again you fail at perspective. Kakashi is supersonic and being (for the sake of argument) Mach 2, can move 200 meters in less than a third of a second, allowing him to easily get within range while Naruto and Itachi are sitting around with their thumbs up their asses.


Naruto won't have enough time to use Sage Mode and even in the unlikely event that Itachi does somehow manage to activate Susanoo in that time(of which there is no proof that he can), it won't prevent Kakashi from Kamuiing his head off.


Prove he can use FRS when he doesn't have a head anymore.
your math is horride and Kamui isnt getting through 3 layers of chakra in an instant, and once Kakashi starts to Kamui Sasunno sword seal. Also you still didnt prove how Kakashi can Kamui a body.

[Tourune]

With supersonic speed it's really easy to close the gap.

Even if they stood long range, Itachi can't do crap from there since Amaterasu is easily dodgeable from that distance and the only thing he can possibly use. FRS can be dodged from that distance too, and then Naruto just exhausts his chakra, GG.

He doesn't have to get the whole body, he Kamuis the head off, end of discussion.



Itachi>Sasuke but not to a point where he decimates him before Naruto falls. If Itachi is too preoccupied by Sasuke he will be vulnerable to Kamui.

The prep time it requires is all but a second, not enough time for Itachi or Naruto to do much of anything.
prove that he can Kamui a head

[Nyruss]

your math is horride My math is excellent, you're just mad that I've shot down your wank, as I'm about to do yet again.

Kamui isnt getting through 3 layers of chakra in an instant
That's fine, he doesn't need to. He just needs to use Kamui on Itachi's head.

and once Kakashi starts to Kamui Sasunno sword seal.
I'd love to see Itachi try hitting Kakashi with Susanoo's sword when he has no head, Kakashi having Kamuied it off.

Also you still didnt prove how Kakashi can Kamui a body.

That's fine because I never claimed Kakashi can Kamui a body, you're just putting words in my mouth in a failed attempt to...actually I have no idea what in the bloody hell you're trying to accomplish by putting words in my mouth, but it probably has something to do with the fact that you can't stand the fact that I'm smarter than you.

[Yellow Flash]

prove that he can Kamui a head
What do you mean prove it? It's the same thing as using Kamui on Deidara's arm...

[Tourune]

My math is excellent, you're just mad that I've shot down your wank, as I'm about to do yet again.

That's fine, he doesn't need to. He just needs to use Kamui on Itachi's head.

I'd love to see Itachi try hitting Kakashi with Susanoo's sword when he has no head, Kakashi having Kamuied it off.



That's fine because I never claimed Kakashi can Kamui a body, you're just putting words in my mouth in a failed attempt to...actually I have no idea what in the bloody hell you're trying to accomplish by putting words in my mouth, but it probably has something to do with the fact that you can't stand the fact that I'm smarter than you.
Kamui isnt getting through Itachi's Sasunoo no matter what you say. i dont give two sh*ts if your smarter than me i admit im no profeser, so wat if your smarter than me, im not gonna die caz some guy on the computer is smarter than me.

[Miles Edgeworth]

prove that he can Kamui a head

What the heck is there to prove, he Kamui'd an arm off, he can easily do so to a head.

Do you think that it has to be shown on-panel to be valid? If that is the case, then by your logic Pain can't win against 99% of Narutoverse because he's never shown it on-panel.

[Nyruss]

Kamui isnt getting through Itachi's Sasunoo no matter what you say.Prove it.

[Tourune]

Prove it.
Zetsu also said that the Totsuka Sword combined with the Yata mirror essentially makes Susanoo invincible, and it has thus been labeled as the "Raging God of Battle".[ (http://www.naruto.viz.com/forum/#cite_note-Data-0)

[Nyruss]

That's not proof. Prove to me that Susanoo will prevent Kakashi from Kamuiing Itachi's head off.

[Noctis Arashi]

That's not proof. Prove to me that Susanoo will prevent Kakashi from Kamuiing Itachi's head off.

You can't "Prove" anything from a battle that hasn't happened. You need to prove HOW it kamuis itachis head off with susanoo which is practically invincible because of the soul sealing sword and the shield.

[Noctis Arashi]

At a distance of 200 meters Kamui wouldn't be doing anything until kakashi got closer. Sage naruto is much faster than kakashi so he gets blitzed. Plus, Itachi would basically beat sasuke as its been proven.

[Nyruss]

You can't "Prove" anything from a battle that hasn't happened. Then I guess you're S.O.L. Lacking any proof to the contrary, Kakashi Kamui's Itachi's head off. The end.

At a distance of 200 meters Kamui wouldn't be doing anything until kakashi got closer. Sage naruto is much faster than kakashi so he gets blitzed. Plus, Itachi would basically beat sasuke as its been proven.


Good thing Naruto doesn't start in Sage Mode and can't activate it in less than the 1/3 of a second it would take Kakashi to traverse those two hundred meters, provided that Kamui can't be used at 200 meters, of which I am unconvinced.

Itachi won't be beating anyone without a head.

[Noctis Arashi]

Then I guess you're S.O.L. Lacking any proof to the contrary, Kakashi Kamui's Itachi's head off. The end.

You can't prove anything either. So your entire debate has been dismantled.

[Miles Edgeworth]

You can't "Prove" anything from a battle that hasn't happened. You need to prove HOW it kamuis itachis head off with susanoo which is practically invincible because of the soul sealing sword and the shield.

What is there to disprove? Kakashi warps Itachi's head off, Susanoo segment and all. If the shield tries to block, it gets warped too.

This whole idea of it being "invincible" is sheer hyperbole. There are many fictional characters who can wipe out this failed attempt at "invincibility." Even if Kakashi cannot destroy Susanoo, he can easily destroy the user, thus destroying the ability for the jutsu to sustain itself, GG.

Also, this is all assuming Itachi is given the time to allow Susanoo to completely form before his head is Kamui'd off. When Susanoo blocked Kirin it was still incomplete, so it does take time to form, more time than Kakashi will alow.

[Nyruss]

You can't prove anything either.
Good thing I don't have to. Burden of Proof is on you.

Kamui is not a projectile to be blocked by holding a shield in front of you. It appears at the target location spontaneously. Can you prove that Susanoo can prevent Kamui from appearing on Itachi's head? No? Fancy that.



So your entire debate has been dismantled.


Only in that it hasn't. Like, at all.

[Kisame]

A lot of Kakashi wanking in this thread. Naruto can make clones faster then Kakashi can activate MS and concentrate chakra to his eyes. Kakashi could easily use it on a clone since Sharingan can not tell the difference. Sasuke nor Madara could tell the tentacle stunt KB pulled off wasn't him until it transformed back and the only time it was said to was in fillers which I'm sure aren't accepted.

Itachi could also just as easily start with Amaterasu and end Itachi there, it appears on whatever the Sharingan user is watching so i can't see how Kakashi can react to that and dodge. Tsukuyomi works just as well, Sasuke broke out of it for three reason: His sharingan, Itachi wasn't trying to kill him, and his hatred crap. Kakashi back in part 1 hinted it would kill him if Itachi wanted it too.

Kakashi coudn't even keep track of Itachi back in part 1, to Kamui him he needs to actually keep up with him. Itachi can make it far more difficult with his own Kage and Karasu Bushins. With both Naruto and Itachi Kakashi is destroyed pretty easily in this match. Kakashi even admitted Naruto surpassed him. This is a manga for kids, Kishi is pretty straightforward with what happens.

EMS Sasuke as far as we currently know is MS Sasuke without blindness. It was stated SM Naruto and MS Sasuke would end up in a tie if they fought, add in Itachi and they rape. Unlike Itachi's Tsukuyomi Sasuke's doesn't last for one second, it takes far more time in which Itachi can break. FRS could break through Sasuke's Susano'o or Itachi's can fight it along with all the Boss Summons which by the way are hard to Kamui with Kakashi's chakra.

[Nyruss]

Naruto can make clones faster then Kakashi can activate MS and concentrate chakra to his eyes.
Based on what, exactly?

Itachi could also just as easily start with Amaterasu and end Itachi there

So Itachi eliminates himself. Good.

Kakashi coudn't even keep track of Itachi back in part 1, to Kamui him he needs to actually keep up with him.

Key words: In part one.

He Kamuied a nail that Pain shot at him with Shinra Tensei and one of Sasuke's Susanoo arrows. He should be more than able to Kamui Itachi and it goes without saying that he can do it to Naruto.

It was stated SM Naruto and MS Sasuke would end up in a tie if they fought That was a blatant lie on Naruto's part.

[Miles Edgeworth]

A lot of Kakashi wanking in this thread. Naruto can make clones faster then Kakashi can activate MS and concentrate chakra to his eyes. Kakashi could easily use it on a clone since Sharingan can not tell the difference. Sasuke nor Madara could tell the tentacle stunt KB pulled off wasn't him until it transformed back and the only time it was said to was in fillers which I'm sure aren't accepted.

Itachi could also just as easily start with Amaterasu and end Itachi there, it appears on whatever the Sharingan user is watching so i can't see how Kakashi can react to that and dodge. Tsukuyomi works just as well, Sasuke broke out of it for three reason: His sharingan, Itachi wasn't trying to kill him, and his hatred crap. Kakashi back in part 1 hinted it would kill him if Itachi wanted it too.

Kakashi coudn't even keep track of Itachi back in part 1, to Kamui him he needs to actually keep up with him. Itachi can make it far more difficult with his own Kage and Karasu Bushins. With both Naruto and Itachi Kakashi is destroyed pretty easily in this match. Kakashi even admitted Naruto surpassed him. This is a manga for kids, Kishi is pretty straightforward with what happens.

EMS Sasuke as far as we currently know is MS Sasuke without blindness. It was stated SM Naruto and MS Sasuke would end up in a tie if they fought, add in Itachi and they rape. Unlike Itachi's Tsukuyomi Sasuke's doesn't last for one second, it takes far more time in which Itachi can break. FRS could break through Sasuke's Susano'o or Itachi's can fight it along with all the Boss Summons which by the way are hard to Kamui with Kakashi's chakra.

So Naruto can make clones faster than a Susanoo arrow goes? Never would've guessed. Also, let's suppose that somehow this was the case, Kakashi could easily react to faster people than Base Naruto and could easily keep track of the real Naruto. If Naruto attempted to make enough clones where it would ruin Kakashi's sight of the real one he gets Kamui'd because that would be too time consuming by far.

Yeah cause Amaterasu was able to burn through Karin and samurai armor, oh wait, they hardly suffered much damage at all from it. Also, if Itachi can Ammy Kakashi then Kakashi can Kamui him, and Itachi's definitely dying first. Naruto is not gonna get prep to use SM against Sasuke and without it he basically gets stomped. Part 1 feats are outdated by hundreds of chapters so I don't see your point, Kakashi's improved his Sharingan by a lot compared to Part 1 so I really don't see how your statement changes anything.

Yeah just so you know this isn't Part 1, Kakashi got much faster in movement as well as reaction, so that point is null. If Itachi doesn't go for the Ammy right away he's pretty much screwed. Statements without feats are mere hyperbole and shouldn't be used. By your logic Itachi can beat everybody in Narutoverse because "Only MS users can defeat him" when there are actually a few characters who can put him down pretty handily.

Let's suppose Sasuke uses genjutsu on Itachi and Naruto. They may be able to get out but by then Kakashi would have had ample time to Kamui them. Also, how the heck does Naruto get time to make multiple clones AND boss summons before getting Kamui'd? I don't recall Naruto being able to do both, or even one, faster than a Susanoo arrow can fly towards Kakashi, so they won't do much to trouble him.

[Kisame]

Based on what, exactly?

On how fast he's shown to generate them. For example it was extremely quick when Madara appeared at that hotel. He created a clone and a Rasengan and Madara had to dodge.


So Itachi eliminates himself. Good.

You know what I meant.


Key words: In part one.

All of those were linear objects, Itachi isn't. Kakashi hasn't become strong enough to compensate for their power.

He Kamuied a nail that Pain shot at him with Shinra Tensei and one of Sasuke's Susanoo arrows. He should be more than able to Kamui Itachi and it goes without saying that he can do it to Naruto.

All of those were linear objects, Itachi isn't

That was a blatant lie on Naruto's part.

And you know this how?



Filler

[Nyruss]

On how fast he's shown to generate them. For example it was extremely quick when Madara appeared at that hotel. He created a clone and a Rasengan and Madara had to dodge.

In other words you don't have any real proof, just wank.


You know what I meant.
Do I? If you meant that Amaterasu > Kakashi, you're wrong because Itachi will die long before Amaterasu kills Kakashi, if Itachi can get it off at all.

All of those were linear objects, Itachi isn't. Kakashi hasn't become strong enough to compensate for their power.

Itachi is standing still. That's a hell of alot easier a target than a moving object. Especially one that travels at supersonic speeds.


And you know this how?


Based on Naruto being a wuss when it comes to Sasuke, therefore unwilling to go all out against him. Also the fact that SM Naruto takes a big smelly dump on all of Sasuke's feats.

[Kisame]

So Naruto can make clones faster than a Susanoo arrow goes? Never would've guessed. Also, let's suppose that somehow this was the case, Kakashi could easily react to faster people than Base Naruto and could easily keep track of the real Naruto. If Naruto attempted to make enough clones where it would ruin Kakashi's sight of the real one he gets Kamui'd because that would be too time consuming by far.

Yeah cause Amaterasu was able to burn through Karin and samurai armor, oh wait, they hardly suffered much damage at all from it. Also, if Itachi can Ammy Kakashi then Kakashi can Kamui him, and Itachi's definitely dying first. Naruto is not gonna get prep to use SM against Sasuke and without it he basically gets stomped. Part 1 feats are outdated by hundreds of chapters so I don't see your point, Kakashi's improved his Sharingan by a lot compared to Part 1 so I really don't see how your statement changes anything.

Yeah just so you know this isn't Part 1, Kakashi got much faster in movement as well as reaction, so that point is null. If Itachi doesn't go for the Ammy right away he's pretty much screwed. Statements without feats are mere hyperbole and shouldn't be used. By your logic Itachi can beat everybody in Narutoverse because "Only MS users can defeat him" when there are actually a few characters who can put him down pretty handily.

Let's suppose Sasuke uses genjutsu on Itachi and Naruto. They may be able to get out but by then Kakashi would have had ample time to Kamui them. Also, how the heck does Naruto get time to make multiple clones AND boss summons before getting Kamui'd? I don't recall Naruto being able to do both, or even one, faster than a Susanoo arrow can fly towards Kakashi, so they won't do much to trouble him.

Faster then Kakashi analyzes the opponent and decided who to strike first, unveil his sharingan and activate Kamui. By that time Naruto could have summoned a lot of clones and hid among them. Neji and Kakuzu didn't know which one was the real one, I don't see why Kakashi would.

Yet it burned through Danzo rapidly! We have no idea how long that scene was, it could've been less then 1 second. Regardless, Kakashi will have them on longer. Unlike the other objects Kakashi Kmauid Itachi's not linear, he can move other way and with his speed and Kakashi's aim and speed he can dodge at least to the point Deidara did. Or use Tsukuyomi first which he can do faster, he doesn't have to remove a headband which conserves precious seconds even if its 1.

Itachi has also shown better feats, Sasuke has a hard time keepin up with Itachi and iirc the post says this is healthy Itachi. I was referring to statements that had to do with surpassing. With those Kishimoto is pretty clear cut, this isn't rocket science this is a manga for kids who don't analyze things as we do.

Sasuke can't genjutsu them both at the same time and plus Itachi can break out of it and considering Itachi's speed out of everyone here he's going to pull out the first move. Plus, even bloodlusted Kakashi would be a fool to start with Kamui, unlike Itachi his chakra control isn't good enough so he can afford to fail. If Naruto makes clones Kakashi would be a retard to try to use Kamui and with clones out a Naruto can try to summon

[Kisame]

In other words you don't have any real proof, just wank.

How about a counter instead of an insult. Counters are much more effective.



Do I? If you meant that Amaterasu > Kakashi, you're wrong because Itachi will die long before Amaterasu kills Kakashi, if Itachi can get it off at all.

Amaterasu burns at the speed of plot. It burned through Danzo extremely quickly even if it took a long time on Karin but then again can you please provide me evidence on how long the whole thing took place? For al we know it could've been a second or less. There's also Tsukuyomi which would incapacitate Itachi or Itachi genjutsus him. Kakashi fell to a 30% Itachi genjutsu.

Itachi is standing still. That's a hell of alot easier a target than a moving object. Especially one that travels at supersonic speeds.

Got proof it's supersonic? Or that Itachi will stand still and not create his own Kage Bushin or Karasu Bushin as well.



Based on Naruto being a wuss when it comes to Sasuke, therefore unwilling to go all out against him. Also the fact that SM Naruto takes a big smelly dump on all of Sasuke's feats.

He admitted that if he attacked he would fight for the kill.


Filler

[Nyruss]

How about a counter instead of an insult. Counters are much more effective.



What's there to counter? It's just baseless wank. Naruto can create clones at supersonic speeds? Where's the sense in that? Sense according to normal people, not sense according to insane fanfiction writers.

Amaterasu burns at the speed of plot. It burned through Danzo extremely quickly even if it took a long time on Karin but then again can you please provide me evidence on how long the whole thing took place?

For Danzo, a few seconds at most.
For Karin, a few seconds at most.

Danzo had to use Izanagi to escape.

Karin got hit with Amaterasu just after Hachibi did. Ammy instantly engulfed most of Hachibi, while on Karin it was limited to a small patch that barely singed her even though with its presented heat(Like that of the sun) she should have died instantly, but she survived for the few seconds it took Sasuke to get rid of ammy.

Amaterasu is wildly inconsistent and really shouldn't be used like it's a be all end all argument.

There's also Tsukuyomi which would incapacitate Kakashi if Itachi genjutsus him.

I've taken the liberty of amending this quote to reflect what I assume you meant to say. :P

Because Kakashi is dumb enough to look Itachi in the eye more than once, right? No, Itachi gets his head Kamuied off.


Kakashi fell to a 30% Itachi genjutsu.


Kakashi didn't use Kamui on his head.


Or that Itachi will stand still and not create his own Kage Bushin or Karasu Bushin as well.

Itachi's go-to strategy is to stand still and spam genjutsu. His head gets Kamuied off.


He admitted that if he attacked he would fight for the kill.


And what makes you think he was telling the truth?

[Kisame]

What's there to counter? It's just baseless wank. Naruto can create clones at supersonic speeds? Where's the sense in that? Sense according to normal people, not sense according to insane fanfiction writers.


He could possibly make them at supersonic speeds, he was fighting h2h with Deva realm in base mode and the speed he showed with Madara. Plus at the sitance Kakashi needs to get closer to use Kamui giving Naruto more time to summon clones then summon his Frog Army.

For Danzo, a few seconds at most.
For Karin, a few seconds at most.

Danzo had to use Izanagi to escape.

Karin got hit with Amaterasu just after Hachibi did. Ammy instantly engulfed most of Hachibi, while on Karin it was limited to a small patch that barely singed her even though with its presented heat(Like that of the sun) she should have died instantly, but she survived for the few seconds it took Sasuke to get rid of ammy.

Amaterasu is wildly inconsistent and really shouldn't be used like it's a be all end all argument.

I asked for proof not opinion. Can you prove it wans't 1 second or less? Can you prove Sasuke didn't take it off so fast it couldn't even spread?

Yet other incosistent things are used such as comic book characters and attacks which are most notably. One minute Juggernaut in a depowered state goes h2h with WWH the other a full powered one gets stuck in cement yet the high end feats are usually used. What's the difference here?


I've taken the liberty of amending this statement to reflect what I assume you meant to say. :P

Because Kakashi is dumb enough to look Itachi in the eye more than once, right? No, Itachi gets his head Kamuied off.

Wait if Kakashi isn't looking at Itachi's head how the hell does he Kamui it off? Please enlighten me. Plus, if he doesn't look there's the finger genjutsu.



Kakashi didn't use Kamui on his head.

Kakashi didn't even use Kamui on Deva when the whole village was at stake. It's pretty doubtful even in a bloodlusted state he'll start with it.




Itachi's go-to strategy is to stand still and spam genjutsu. His head gets Kamuied off.

If he does pull off a genjutsu Kakashi looses since it'll most likely be Tsukuyomi. It's more likely he'll start off with Amaterasu in this case.

And what makes you think he was telling the truth?

The fact that it was supposed to be part of his development and it was commented how his resolve in that matter was incredible.

[Noctis Arashi]

Hm. Doesn't kakashi have to look at itachi's head to kamui it? Aren't itachi's eyes in fact. ON HIS HEAD. Itachi genjutsu's kakashi as soon as he looks to kamui.

[Nyruss]

He could possibly make them at supersonic speeds,

Key word: Possibly. Meaning you don't know. Do you have any actual proof that Naruto can create Shadow Clones that fast?

Plus at the sitance Kakashi needs to get closer to use Kamui giving Naruto more time to summon clones then summon his Frog Army.

Kakashi stays right where he is and waits for Naruto to come to him. Whether or not he can tell the difference between Naruto and Shadow Clones, he should be more than capable of simply keeping track of the real Naruto. He Kamuis Naruto's head off. GG.

Alternately, he gets close enough to use Kamui while Naruto is busy using Shadow Clone and summoning frogs. He Kamuis Naruto's head off. GG.

Can you prove it wasn't 1 second or less? Wait, what are we talking about here? I just said that it took a second or two at the most. Clarify, pl0x.


Yet other incosistent things are used such as comic book characters and attacks which are most notably. One minute Juggernaut in a depowered state goes h2h with WWH the other a full powered one gets stuck in cement yet the high end feats are usually used. What's the difference here?


Becuase it's not just about high end feats. It's about consistency. Amaterasu has none.

Hulk once destroyed a universe with a Thunderclap. I ask you. Is Hulk a universe buster?

Juggernaut is consistently very powerful but if he were to suddenly kill the Living Tribunal, we wouldn't call him a nigh-omnipotent unless he were able to replicate that feat, or perform similar scale feats.

Kakashi didn't even use Kamui on Deva when the whole village was at stake. It's pretty doubtful even in a bloodlusted state he'll start with it.

Behold the power of plot.


The fact that it was supposed to be part of his development and it was commented how his resolve in that matter was incredible.

His resolve to save Sasuke no matter what, even if he has to lie to his friends and sacrifice the safety of everyone in the village that he's spent 15 yaers gaining the respect of. His resolve to protect Sasuke is incredible, so when he saw the option to allow Sasuke to run, he let Sasuke run, and then lied to his friends to deflect suspicion.

Hm. Doesn't kakashi have to look at itachi's head to kamui it? Aren't itachi's eyes in fact. ON HIS HEAD. Itachi genjutsu's kakashi as soon as he looks to kamui.


Kakashi doesn't have to look Itachi in the eyes to look at his head.

[Noctis Arashi]

Key word: Possibly. Meaning you don't know. Do you have any actual proof that Naruto can create Shadow Clones that fast?



Kakashi stays right where he is and waits for Naruto to come to him. Whether or not he can tell the difference between Naruto and Shadow Clones, he should be more than capable of simply keeping track of the real Naruto. He Kamuis Naruto's head off. GG.

Alternately, he gets close enough to use Kamui while Naruto is busy using Shadow Clone and summoning frogs. He Kamuis Naruto's head off. GG.

Wait, what are we talking about here? I just said that it took a second or two at the most. Clarify, pl0x.




Becuase it's not just about high end feats. It's about consistency. Amaterasu has none.

Hulk once destroyed a universe with a Thunderclap. I ask you. Is Hulk a universe buster?



Behold the power of plot.




His resolve to save Sasuke no matter what, even if he has to lie to his friends and sacrifice the safety of everyone in the village that he's spent 15 yaers gaining the respect of. His resolve to protect Sasuke is incredible, so when he saw the option to allow Sasuke to run, he let Sasuke run, and then lied to his friends to deflect suspicion.



Kakashi doesn't have to look Itachi in the eyes to look at his head.

Then why did they have to look down? Instead of your suggestion of just avoiding the eyes?

[Nyruss]

I asked for proof not opinion. Can you prove it wans't 1 secon or less? Can you prove Sasuke didn't take it off so fast it couldn't even spread?

Can you prove he did? Sasuke took three pages(well, one and two halves, but close enough). Can you prove that these two or three pages encompassed a split second instead of several?




Then why did they have to look down? Instead of your suggestion of just avoiding the eyes?


Because they don't have a reason to look at his head, and wanted to avoid any and all chance of looking in his eyes. Kakashi does have a reason. He uses Kamui, GG.

[Noctis Arashi]

Can you prove he did? Sasuke took three pages(well, one and two halves, but close enough). Can you prove that these two or three pages encompassed a split second instead of several?





Because they don't have a reason to look at his head, and wanted to avoid any and all chance of looking in his eyes. Kakashi does have a reason. He uses Kamui, GG.
That sir is a ludicrous statement. They have reason due to the fact its easier to fight looking up.

[kai57]

*kills both of you*

[Nyruss]

That sir is a ludicrous statement. They have reason due to the fact its easier to fight looking up.

So why didn't they?

[Noctis Arashi]

So why didn't they?
That is my question to you. Why didn't they. If what you say is true than looking up at all means certain genjutsu trap.

[colorles]

the one thing i'd like to clear up on this thread is the concept that Kakashi can not Kamui somthing from 200 meters or farther. if he can see somthing, he can kamui it, instantly mind you since it is a space/time warping tech that apears instantly at the focal point, and not like amarterasu mind you, which actually takes quite a while as it has to ignite and start burning. Kamui is essentially instant at this point

[Nyruss]

On the contrary, as I said, they just didn't want to take the chance and didn't have a good enough reason to risk looking up. Kakashi does, in the form of Kamui.

In the interest of breaking out of this endless circle of me presenting reasonable facts and suppositions and you lot posting mindless wank, let's say Kakashi aims somewhere less immediately, but equally fatal. Like the heart. Kakashi Kamuis Itachi's heart. Itachi can't Tsukuyoki him, he can't finger jutsu him. He can't live without his heart, or large portions of his lungs. He dies.

Naruto has no genjutsu, so Kakashi is free to Kamui his head off.

[Noctis Arashi]

On the contrary, as I said, they just didn't want to take the chance and didn't have a good enough reason to risk looking up. Kakashi does, in the form of Kamui.

In the interest of breaking out of this endless circle of me presenting reasonable facts and suppositions and you lot posting mindless wank, let's say Kakashi aims somewhere less immediately, but equally fatal. Like the heart. Kakashi Kamuis Itachi's heart. Itachi can't Tsukuyoki him, he can't finger jutsu him. He can't live without his heart, or large portions of his lungs. He dies.

Naruto has no genjutsu, so Kakashi is free to Kamui his head off.

You make it seem like they are standing still. They will be moving which makes it harder to aim kamui.

[Nyruss]

You make it seem like they are standing stillItachi's go-to strategy is to stand still and spam genjutsu. So he's out of the picture.

According to Kisame, Naruto will be standing still for a good number of seconds on account of being busy spamming clones and junk. So he's out of the picture as well.

[Kisame]

Key word: Possibly. Meaning you don't know. Do you have any actual proof that Naruto can create Shadow Clones that fast?

Well he certainly has feats that increase the possibility. Reaching Sakure before Kakashi and farther away, keeping up with Deva Pain. It's more likely he can make them fast enough before Kakashi comes close enough to use it. Considering it's over 1,000 ft of distance it'll take a while. Enough at least. If he goes for Naruto what's his defense for Itachi?

Kakashi stays right where he is and waits for Naruto to come to him. Whether or not he can tell the difference between Naruto and Shadow Clones, he should be more than capable of simply keeping track of the real Naruto. He Kamuis Naruto's head off. GG.

Alternately, he gets close enough to use Kamui while Naruto is busy using Shadow Clone and summoning frogs. He Kamuis Naruto's head off. GG.

Why would he wait? Even if he waits, Naruto always makes clones first. If he waits he better be ready for a frog army or at least a barrage of clones. Also, Naruto could use substitution with the Kage Bushin so as to confuse Kakashi. Itachi Amaterasus Kakashi while he tries to use it on Naruto and potentially just hits a clone and GG Kakashi.

Wait, what are we talking about here? I just said that it took a second or two at the most. Clarify, pl0x.

It sounded like you meant it was longer, but anyways if Kakashi gets Amaterasu he'll be killed before he can do anything else.


Becuase it's not just about high end feats. It's about consistency. Amaterasu has none.

We don't have time frames to claim it's always incosistent.

Hulk once destroyed a universe with a Thunderclap. I ask you. Is Hulk a universe buster?

Pretty sure it was a dimension and dimension busting is easier depending on the size.

Juggernaut is consistently very powerful but if he were to suddenly kill the Living Tribunal, we wouldn't call him a nigh-omnipotent unless he were able to replicate that feat, or perform similar scale feats.

But it hasn't happened and Hulk has been shown to be beaten by people far weaker then him before a lot. Ghost Rider defeated him by just riding around him in circles and creating a cloud of dust that didn't let him breathe, Doc Ock beat him up with his Octopus arms, Captain America constantly fights with him, Spider-Man can defeat him through trickery even though he has all those outrageously high end feats. not even including his dimension busting. Hulk's very incosistent as well, but we take the better feats.

Behold the power of plot.

Or you know, maybe he wanted to analyze his opponent first and make sure Kamui wasn't a waste of chakra and his already deteriorating eyesight didn't get worse.


His resolve to save Sasuke no matter what, even if he has to lie to his friends and sacrifice the safety of everyone in the village that he's spent 15 yaers gaining the respect of. His resolve to protect Sasuke is incredible, so when he saw the option to allow Sasuke to run, he let Sasuke run, and then lied to his friends to deflect suspicion.

He has the resolve to kill him if necessary now. He will try to convert him but if necessary he will try to kill him. That's why all the hyperventalating crap happened.

Kakashi doesn't have to look Itachi in the eyes to look at his head.

Then like the other person said, did he have to look at his feet when he could've seen his face and body, but not his eyes? Plus, if he's that bloodlusted he won't give a crap and just rush in.


Can you prove he did? Sasuke took three pages(well, one and two halves, but close enough). Can you prove that these two or three pages encompassed a split second instead of several?

There was a lot of pages dedicated to just 5 seconds. More panels do not equal more seconds.

Because they don't have a reason to look at his head, and wanted to avoid any and all chance of looking in his eyes. Kakashi does have a reason,

If Kakashi isn't paying full attention to Itachi then he could easily make a clone and use substitution. He's already done it so fast Itachi couldn't keep up.


Filler

[Kisame]

Itachi's go-to strategy is to stand still and spam genjutsu. So he's out of the picture.

According to Kisame, Naruto will be standing still for a good number of seconds on account of being busy spamming clones and junk. So he's out of the picture as well.


Naruto needs less then a second to do that. Actually remember the Wave arc, it showed Shinobi can use Jutsu on the move. That's what the Tree training was about.

Also for what colorless said. Kakashi was hinted to be experiencing the effect of the mangekyo when he talked with Itachi, I doubt he can see clearly enough with all the times he used Kamui to use it effectively that far.

[Nyruss]

Well he certainly has feats that increase the possibility. In other words, no.


It's more likely he can make them fast enough before Kakashi comes close enough to use it. Considering it's over 1,000 ft of distance it'll take a while. Enough at least.

It would take Kakashi roughly .20 seconds to cross 200 meters. Naruto won't have enough time to do anything meaningful. He dies.

If he goes for Naruto what's his defense for Itachi?

Itachi's already been Kamuied.


Why would he wait? Even if he waits, Naruto always makes clones first. If he waits he better be ready for a frog army or at least a barrage of clones. Also, Naruto could use substitution with the Kage Bushin so as to confuse Kakashi. Itachi Amaterasus Kakashi while he tries to use it on Naruto and potentially just hits a clone and GG Kakashi.


Itachi's already been Kamuied. Even if Kakashi somehow fails to Kamui Naruto it's not like the clones are an actual threat. They can be destroyed by a stiff breeze. Between him and Sasuke, they'll be done is seconds flat. When they find Naruto, Sasuke shoots him in the face and that's that.


It sounded like you meant it was longer, but anyways if Kakashi gets Amaterasu he'll be killed before he can do anything else.

Got anything to support this? No? Fancy that.

We don't have time frames to claim it's always incosistent.

Then you're just SOL ain't ya?

Pretty sure it was a dimension and dimension busting is easier depending on the size.

Semantics.

But it hasn't happened and Hulk has been shown to be beaten by people far weaker then him before a lot.

Again, low end, high end, it doesn't matter, consistency is the key, and Hulk by virtue of established power and many many feats of strength is far FAR into Class 100.

Hulk has what? 60 years of feats to draw on. Amaterasu has like two or three chapters. This is why Hulk can get away with taking a dive to weaker characters while Amaterasu is flat out inconsistant. There is no consistency from one appearance to the next, its power is entirely determined by the needs of the plot as opposed to an established and well shown level.

Or you know, maybe he wanted to analyze his opponent first and make sure Kamui wasn't a waste of chakra and his already deteriorating eyesight didn't get worse.

Instantly kill the guy who can singlehandedly level the entire city or stand around and watch him for awhile because you're too much of a wuss to sacsrifice your eyesight for the greater good.

It's like Sophie's Choice all over again. Except for the part where Sophie's choice is the choice between two equally bad alternatives and this is the choice between saving your village from destruction and...not saving it from destruction.
He has the resolve to kill him if necessary now. He will try to convert him but if necessary he will try to kill him.And I'm Mary, Queen of Scots.

That's why all the hyperventalating crap happened.

No the hyperventilating crap happened because the others decided to take the issue out of his hands and he couldn't deal with the possibility that Sasuke might die.

There was a lot of pages dedicated to just 5 seconds. More panels do not equal more seconds.

Difference: We were given an accurate time frame with Pain. We have no such time frame with Sasuke, so lacking any solid way to prove the time, we go with the more reasonable one. It was longer than 1/9999999999th of yoctosecond.

If Kakashi isn't paying full attention to Itachi then he could easily make a clone and use substitution. He's already done it so fast Itachi couldn't keep up.

That was then, this is now, Itachi gets his head/heart Kamuied off.

[Kisame]

In other words, no.


Can you prove it?



It would take Kakashi roughly .20 seconds to cross 200 meters. Naruto won't have enough time to do anything meaningful. He dies.

If he could travel that fast it would take him much less to travel between Konoha and Suna. Naruto can make clones before he comes close enough.



Itachi's already been Kamuied.

In that case it's ridiculous to suggest Naruto wouldn't have time to make clones. Plus, Itachi can get him with Amaterasu just as well from then on it's Naruto vs Sasuke which owuld end in a tie or Naruto winning most likely.


Itachi's already been Kamuied. Even if Kakashi somehow fails to Kamui Naruto it's not like the clones are an actual threat. They can be destroyed by a stiff breeze. Between him and Sasuke, they'll be done is seconds flat. When they find Naruto, Sasuke shoots him in the face and that's that.

The clones are there to confuse Kakashi. From there Naruto summons his Frog Army, One solos Kakashi while Naruto fights Sasuke.


Got anything to support this? No? Fancy that.

Considering even when the flames spread slowly they didn't have the chance to do anything else then yeah. Plus, he'd be in too much pain to try anything else and the flames would probably be used on his head first and ruin his vision.

Then you're just SOL ain't ya?

Well can you prove how long it was?


Semantics.

Regardless, Dimensions can be much easier to destroy.


Again, low end, high end, it doesn't matter, consistency is the key, and Hulk by virtue of established power and many many feats of strength is far FAR into Class 100.

Hulk has what? 60 years of feats to draw on. Amaterasu has like two or three chapters. This is why Hulk can get away with taking a dive to weaker characters while Amaterasu is flat out inconsistant. There is no consistency from one appearance to the next, its power is entirely determined by the needs of the plot as opposed to an established and well shown level.

For all we know it spreads at the same rate but we don't have a timeframe from the manga that can prove it. The times it spread slower could have just been on for a lot less time then the times it "seemed" to spread faster.


Instantly kill the guy who can singlehandedly level the entire city or stand around and watch him for awhile because you're too much of a wuss to sacsrifice your eyesight for the greater good.

Yeah because Kakashi was 100% sure Deva didn't have the powers to phase like Madara or was just a clone. Good job Kakashi! Use a technique that would gurantee the fight for the other guy if it failed.

It's like Sophie's Choice all over again. Except for the part where Sophie's choice is the choice between two equally bad alternatives and this is the choice between saving your village from destruction and...not saving it from destruction.

And I'm Mary, Queen of Scots.

I'd suggest rereading those chapters.



No the hyperventilating crap happened because the others decided to take the issue out of his hands and he couldn't deal with the possibility that Sasuke might die.

I'll give you that, but it happened to help him realize that and then get his resolution for what to do in that matter.



Difference: We were given an accurate time frame with Pain. We have no such time frame with Sasuke, so lacking any solid way to prove the time, we go with the more reasonable one. It was longer than 1/9999999999th of yoctosecond.

See the lack of time frame gives a more opening for what I said before. The flames on Karin coud have been there for less time then on Hachibi and Danzo for all we know.



That was then, this is now, Itachi gets his head/heart Kamuied off.

Pretty sure the OP said this is healthy Itachi so, Itachi should also gain a significant boost in speed. Zetsu himself said he should've been able to dodge Sasuke's attack implying he used to be faster when healthy.


Filler

[Tourune]

O I almost forgot, To Kamui a head you must look at it, Which means before Kamui starts, Tsuki kills Kakashi. Then FRS. Another way is that while Naruto tries FRS, Kakashi Kamui's it then Itachi (Beeing faster than Kakashi) Ammy's him then Itachi + Naruto do Sasunoo Meanacing ball combo to kill Sasuke

[Nyruss]

Can you prove it?
Can you?

If he could travel that fast it would take him much less to travel between Konoha and Suna.

Behold the power of plot.

Naruto can make clones before he comes close enough.
No he can't.


Itachi can get him with Amaterasu Before or after he gets his heart Kamuied out? Not that it matters, because Amaterasu's onconsistency means it's useless here and Kakashi will be able to survive more than long enough to Kamui Naruto's head off.

The clones are there to confuse Kakashi. From there Naruto summons his Frog Army, One solos Kakashi while Naruto fights Sasuke.


The toads are equally useless, and won't do anything to prevent Kakashi from Kamuiing Naruto's head off.

Plus, he'd be in too much pain to try anything else

Because Kakashi is such a wuss that a few weakass flames are gonna slow him down, amirite?

Well can you prove how long it was?


No, but that's the best part. I don't have to for reasons already explained, vis a vis, what is more likely as opposed to what benefits your wank.

Regardless, Dimensions can be much easier to destroy.


Dimensions can not generally be destroyed by clapping your hands together really hard. Which is the point. One absurdly high end feat does not automatically make Hulk a dimension buster.

For all we know it spreads at the same rate but we don't have a timeframe from the manga that can prove it. The times it spread slower could have just been on for a lot less time then the times it "seemed" to spread faster.

Great, and when you can prove that, I'll be happy to support it.

Yeah because Kakashi was 100% sure Deva didn't have the powers to phase like Madara or was just a clone. Good job Kakashi! Use a technique that would gurantee the fight for the other guy if it failed.

Because it's not like he can use it more than once or anything right? And obviously that one use would automatically make Kakashi useless for the entirety of the fight if it didn't kill the real Deva Pain. Your wank is becoming more and more annoying.

I'd suggest rereading those chapters.
I've no doubt Naruto said that he was willing to kill Sasuke. I've also no doubt that he was lying. It's more likely that he was than not, and lacking any way to conclusively prove either way, we go with what is more likely.

See the lack of time frame gives a more opening for what I said before. The flames on Karin coud have been there for less time then on Hachibi and Danzo for all we know.


And when you can prove it, I'll gladly support that claim.

Pretty sure the OP said this is healthy Itachi so, Itachi should also gain a significant boost in speed. Unfortunately, lacking any feats, we have no idea what kind of boost he gets so that's not really a factor. Not to mention the little problem of the giant gaping hole where his chest should be.


To Kamui a head you must look at it. Which means before Kamui starts, Tsuki kills Kakashi.
Tsukuyomi can't kill. Tsukuyomi can only be used if Itachi looks into his target's eyes. Kakashi won't look into Itachi's eyes. Kakashi Kamuis Itachi's heart out. Itachi dies.

[takuya]

In other words, no.




It would take Kakashi roughly .20 seconds to cross 200 meters. Naruto won't have enough time to do anything meaningful. He dies.



Itachi's already been Kamuied.



Itachi's already been Kamuied. Even if Kakashi somehow fails to Kamui Naruto it's not like the clones are an actual threat. They can be destroyed by a stiff breeze. Between him and Sasuke, they'll be done is seconds flat. When they find Naruto, Sasuke shoots him in the face and that's that.




Got anything to support this? No? Fancy that.



Then you're just SOL ain't ya?



Semantics.



Again, low end, high end, it doesn't matter, consistency is the key, and Hulk by virtue of established power and many many feats of strength is far FAR into Class 100.

Hulk has what? 60 years of feats to draw on. Amaterasu has like two or three chapters. This is why Hulk can get away with taking a dive to weaker characters while Amaterasu is flat out inconsistant. There is no consistency from one appearance to the next, its power is entirely determined by the needs of the plot as opposed to an established and well shown level.



Instantly kill the guy who can singlehandedly level the entire city or stand around and watch him for awhile because you're too much of a wuss to sacsrifice your eyesight for the greater good.

It's like Sophie's Choice all over again. Except for the part where Sophie's choice is the choice between two equally bad alternatives and this is the choice between saving your village from destruction and...not saving it from destruction.
And I'm Mary, Queen of Scots.



No the hyperventilating crap happened because the others decided to take the issue out of his hands and he couldn't deal with the possibility that Sasuke might die.



Difference: We were given an accurate time frame with Pain. We have no such time frame with Sasuke, so lacking any solid way to prove the time, we go with the more reasonable one. It was longer than 1/9999999999th of yoctosecond.



That was then, this is now, Itachi gets his head/heart Kamuied off.You make it sound as if they'll stand still for the slaughter. Going by your logic, Kakashi crosses 200 meters in .20 secs, correct? In that case, Itachi crosses it faster since he has shown to be faster than Kakashi. That way while he's focused on using Kamui on Naruto's head, Itachi has already reached him and use Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi on him. Don't say that he can break out of Tsukuyomi with him MS, because it has only been said that a MS user can break out of it, not proven.

If he goes for Itachi, Itachi isn't just going to stand still and wait to get killed. Most likely, he's going to attack Kakashi, move, and attempt to dodge. He'll most likely use that finger genjutsu at Kakashi as soon as he's in range for it. Sure, Kakashi can probably break out of it, but with his speed, that should stall long enough for Itachi to get close enough to use Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu, then it's GAME OVER for Kakashi. And if he goes for Itachi, I doubt Naruto will just sit still. He'll probably come at Kakashi with a boss summon like Gamabunta by borrowing the Kyuubi's chakra.

He can also just give into the Kyuubi and go into his KN4 or KN6 or KN8 transformations.

And did everyone forget Sasuke is in this fight? You guys are acting like it's just Kakashi vs Naruto and Itachi. What's more ridiculous, is that you think Kakashi solos this. If Kakashi attacks, Sasuke is most likely going to try to back him up.

If Kakashi goes for Naruto, that gives time for Itachi to use Amaterasu on Kakashi. Itachi has been shown the ability to be able to make handsigns so fast, he's able to make shadow clones and switch places with them it's not even noticeable. So if Sasuke goes at Itachi while he's using Amaterasu on Kakashi, Itachi's Shadow Clone should have already been made and blocking Sasuke's attack.

Or, if Itachi saved Naruto in time, Naruto is probably going to be coming at Sasuke with a Rasengan, or he would've already tapped into the Kyuubi's borrow and summoned Gamabunta. Gamabunta would either be swinging his sword at Sasuke, using his Water Bullet Jutsu to knock Sasuke for a loop, or be standing in his way, all while he's focused on Itachi.

It works basically the same vice versa. If they start off going at Itachi, Naruto would've summoned Gamabunta or be coming at one of them with a Rasengan while Itachi has already used Tsukuyomi on one of them to take out Kakashi or stall Sasuke or use the finger jutsu to stall either one of them, or using Amaterasu on either one of them. Heck, with his handsign speed, he'd most likely use Amaterasu on either Sasuke or Kakashi while his clone is fighting the one he isn't using Amaterasu on.

[Kisame]

Can you?

Guess we're at a standstill at this point. I can't prove it but neither can you.

Behold the power of plot.

How about we behold the power of his real speed.

No he can't.

Yes he can. Kakashi isn' fast enough to get over there before Naruto makes clones. Hell Kakashi and Hidan were shown to be at the same speed level and Hidan was one of the slowest members.


Before or after he gets his heart Kamuied out? Not that it matters, because Amaterasu's onconsistency means it's useless here and Kakashi will be able to survive more than long enough to Kamui Naruto's head off.

Useless? It seems more like if Itachi uses it Kakashi dies and it will render your argument invalid so Lol let's call it incosistent even though I can't prove it and let's hope the other guy stops arguing with it.


The toads are equally useless, and won't do anything to prevent Kakashi from Kamuiing Naruto's head off.

As Kakashi tries to locate Naruto on top of the toads he gets Amaterasu to the head. Let's say he manages to Kamui him as he's dying even with his supposedly bad eyesight that you agreed he had. They both die and Itachi can fight Sasuke with a toad army to support him. Sasuke gets Frog Songd.


Because Kakashi is such a wuss that a few weakass flames are gonna slow him down, amirite?

Well the weakass Tsukuyomi put him in a coma and Hachibi was in pain so yeah.


No, but that's the best part. I don't have to for reasons already explained, vis a vis, what is more likely as opposed to what benefits your wank.

Well if you want to win you'll have too. Right now your other flimsy reason aren't convincing me.


Dimensions can not generally be destroyed by clapping your hands together really hard. Which is the point. One absurdly high end feat does not automatically make Hulk a dimension buster.

How big was the dimension? Also, was Hulk powered by anything else because when people bring up Superman sneezing a solar system/galaxy/whatever it was they usually never bring up he had powder that helps Normal people flip over cars.

Great, and when you can prove that, I'll be happy to support it.

And when you can come up with a more reasonable explanation I'll be happy to submit your victory.

Because it's not like he can use it more than once or anything right? And obviously that one use would automatically make Kakashi useless for the entirety of the fight if it didn't kill the real Deva Pain. Your wank is becoming more and more annoying.

Considering his chakra is majorly depleted and he usually stumbles after if he fails he's as good as dead. For all he knew he was immortal like Hidan as well and the damage would go back to him, he could phase his attack, he could absorb it, he could dodge it ala Raikage. It would not be a smart move to do it.


I've no doubt Naruto said that he was willing to kill Sasuke. I've also no doubt that he was lying. It's more likely that he was than not, and lacking any way to conclusively prove either way, we go with what is more likely.

He seemed pretty damn sure when he said they'd both die in his fight implying he would go all out and from a story telling perspective it'd be retarded for that to have been a lie.

And when you can prove it, I'll gladly support that claim.

I'm waiting for a better explanation.

Unfortunately, lacking any feats, we have no idea what kind of boost he gets so that's not really a factor. Not to mention the little problem of the giant gaping hole where his chest should be.

Well for one he'd be fast enough to have dodged Sasuke's attack and he wouldn't have died from a heart attack.



Tsukuyomi can't kill. Tsukuyomi can only be used if Itachi looks into his target's eyes. Kakashi won't look into Itachi's eyes. Kakashi Kamuis Itachi's heart out. Itachi dies.

I'm pretty sure severe damage to the brain can kill or at least leave you a vegetable and the shock from so much pain can kill you as well. Itachi tortures Kakashi far worse then he did before since he's bllodlusted. Kakashi gets Amaterasu to the head and he most likely hits a clone or they both die and Naruto beats or ties with Sasuke.



Filler

[Nyruss]

You make it sound as if they'll stand still for the slaughter. Itachi will. Kisame says Naruto will as well.

In that case, Itachi crosses it faster since he has shown to be faster than Kakashi. For the third time now, Itachi's go-to strategy is to stand still and spam genjutsu. Kakashi Kamuis his heart out. He dies.

Also, prove Itachi is faster than Kakashi.

That way while he's focused on using Kamui on Naruto's head, Itachi has already reached him and use Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi on him. And he can do that from beyond the grave can he?


Don't say that he can break out of Tsukuyomi with him MS, because it has only been said that a MS user can break out of it, not proven.


Not that it matters because of the afformentioned lack of being alive, but Sasuke broke out of Tsukuyomi.


If he goes for Itachi, Itachi isn't just going to stand still and wait to get killed.
Number four. Itachi's go-to strategy is to stand still and spam genjutsu. Kakashi Kamuis his heart out. He dies.


And if he goes for Itachi, I doubt Naruto will just sit still. Kisame sez he'll stand still and try to spam clones. Kakashi Kamuis his head off. He dies. The end.

He can also just give into the Kyuubi and go into his KN4 or KN6 or KN8 transformations.

He can but he won't. Not just because he's already dead but also because he would never willingly do that.


And did everyone forget Sasuke is in this fight? You guys are acting like it's just Kakashi vs Naruto and Itachi. Kakashi is all that's needed. Sasuke is a useful distraction while Kakashi Kamuis them to death,making this even more of a rape.

What's more ridiculous, is that you think Kakashi solos this. If Kakashi attacks, Sasuke is most likely going to try to back him up.

And?

If Kakashi goes for Naruto, that gives time for Itachi to use Amaterasu on Kakashi.

He's gonna do that from beyond the grave is he?

It works basically the same vice versa. If they start off going at Itachi, Naruto would've summoned Gamabunta Explain how Gamabunta will prevent Naruto from losing his head. What? He won't? That's right he won't.

Itachi has already used Tsukuyomi on one of them What part of "He has to look his opponent in the eyes" do you people not understand? Are you mentally retarded or are you intentionally ignoring it?

[Kisame]

For all th parts Dudemeister said I said Naruto would stand still. Reread the Tree Training arc because jutsu can be performed while moving.

[Nyruss]

Guess we're at a standstill at this point. I can't prove it but neither can you.



No, we're not. Because you can't explain it and because I don't have to I win. And because I win, I see no reason to respond to the rest of your baseless wank.

Kakashi and the Sauce win. Huzzah!


Sasuke and Kakashi vs Itachi and Naruto thread, I dub thee Massive Fail.

[Kisame]

No, we're not. Because you can't explain it and because I don't have to I win. And because I win, I see no reason to respond to the rest of your baseless wank.

Kakashi and the Sauce win. Huzzah!


Sasuke and Kakashi vs Itachi and Naruto thread, I dub thee Massive Fail.


Resorting to insults and wank=I'm going to try to look like I won and maybe the other dude will belive it.

[Nyruss]

You don't have to believe it. It's a big beautiful world out there and anyone can believe anything they want. But just because you don't believe I won, doesn't mean I didn't. :)

Also where have I insulted you?

[Kisame]

You don't have to believe it. It's a big beautiful world out there and anyone can believe anything they want. But just because you don't believe I won, doesn't mean I didn't. :)

Also where have I insulted you?


Props for sticking with your strategy of trying to act like you won so I believe it.

Meh, more about the wank part.

[Nyruss]

Props for ignoring what I said.

[Kisame]

Props for ignoring what I said.

Alright, guess just agree to disagree then. I consider winning as convincing the other person in the debate not actually arguing for the "right" side. So I can say I didn't win crap.

[Lone Wolf]

hurr durr itachi has been calced at hypersonic with 1 leg injured hurr durr

[Nyruss]

So I can say I didn't win crap. And you're correct. ^_^

[Kisame]

And you're correct. ^_^

Least I can admit it, but anyways this isn't going anywhere now so I'll just end it here then.

[Nyruss]

If the day ever comes I look forward to admitting defeat, for I will have been beaten by a worthy opponent.

[takuya]

Itachi will. Kisame says Naruto will as well.
Unless the thread creator says that they're not allowed to move, it's possible they're allowed to move.

For the third time now, Itachi's go-to strategy is to stand still and spam genjutsu. Kakashi Kamuis his heart out. He dies.
If we're going by go-to strategy, then Kakashi's is to send a shadow clone into battle to analyze his opponents instead of going in by himself since that's his go-to strategy. Naruto takes care of the clone. Itachi keeps track of the real Kakashi and uses Amaterasu on him. Kakashi dies or is incapacitated.

Also, prove Itachi is faster than Kakashi.
I will. Back in part 1, when Kakashi's clone went to help Asuma and Kurenai, Itachi had already made a water clone himself and snuck up behind the real Kakashi. I'll gladly go through the manga and get you some more examples.

And he can do that from beyond the grave can he?
Who says he's dead? Him sitting still, waiting for Kakashi to Kamui his or Naruto's head off is not very likely.



Not that it matters because of the afformentioned lack of being alive, but Sasuke broke out of Tsukuyomi.
You do realize that neither Itachi nor Naruto is dumb enough to stand still while they're getting attacked? Also, I said he'd use Tsukuyomi on Kakashi, not Sasuke.



Number four. Itachi's go-to strategy is to stand still and spam genjutsu. Kakashi Kamuis his heart out. He dies.
Number two: Kakashi's go-to strategy is to send in a clone to analyze the opponent's abilities. Naruto takes care of the clone with his own clones or a Rasengan. Itachi keeps track of the real Kakashi to use Amaterasu on him to incapacitate him.


Kisame sez he'll stand still and try to spam clones. Kakashi Kamuis his head off. He dies. The end.
Kisame can't predict what they'll do. If that's the case then, I say Kakashi and Sasuke stand still, do nothing, and wait for Itachi and Naruto to kill them.



He can but he won't. Not just because he's already dead but also because he would never willingly do that.
The Kyuubi has shown to take over Naruto regardless of whether Naruto wants him to or not. And if Naruto's life is in danger, the Kyuubi is most likely going to take over since, if Naruto dies, the Kyuubi dies.




Kakashi is all that's needed. Sasuke is a useful distraction while Kakashi Kamuis them to death,making this even more of a rape.
For the third time or second time, they ain't gonna just sit still.


And?
It makes no sense, that's all.



He's gonna do that from beyond the grave is he?
He won't have to since he won't be dead. Kakashi will.


It works basically the same vice versa. Explain how Gamabunta will prevent Naruto from losing his head. What? He won't? That's right he won't.
How's Kakashi going to Kamui away Naruto's head when a giant toad has been summoned right in front of Naruto and Kakashi, which is too big to get Kamui'd right away? How is he going to Kamui away Naruto's head when a giant toad is swinging his sword at him? How is he going to Kamui away Naruto's head when a giant toad is spitting out big ass water bullets at him? What? He won't? Yeah, he won't.

What part of "He has to look his opponent in the eyes" do you people not understand? Are you mentally retarded or are you intentionally ignoring it?No, I am not mentally retarded, but thanks for asking. No, I'm not ignoring it, which is way I said he would be able to use Amaterasu on one of them since they'd be in his eyesight. If Kakashi is trying to Kamui away Itachi's head, he has to be able to see his it. Meaning that Itachi is in his eyesight, meaning that Kakashi's in Itachi eyesight, meaning that he can look into Kakashi's eyes and use Tsukuyomi on him.

If they're coming at him, they'll be close enough for him to point at them and stall them with the finger genjutsu for a bit. And I'm not ignoring anything you say. Actually, it's you who is ignoring things. Everytime I or someone says they won't stand still, you counter with,"Kisame says they'll stand still so they will." Or when someone comes up with a counter that beats yours, you say,"How're they going to do that when they're already did?" without giving a reason how they'll be dead when I gave reasons why Kakashi or Sasuke would be dead.In bold.

[Nyruss]

You're a bit slow on the draw.

[takuya]

I was never quick at a showdown. When they shout draw, I freak out.xD Hey, I'm giving you examples for things. I'm going through chapters right now, looking for proof that Itachi is faster than Kakashi(the actual chapter and page number). I'm even going through chapters to prove that jutsu can be used while moving(the actual chapter and page number since I already have proof).
Edit: Chapter 142, page 10: Itachi sneaks up on a Kakashi water clone. It has been said that they have 10% of a users power, but not speed, meaning the clone is most likely the same speed as Kakashi. Even though this is part 1, Itachi's and Kakashi's speed have remained the same.

Chapter 483 page 17: Kakashi already has his Sharingan revealed at the beginning of the match, meaning that he simply switched to his MS and uses Kamui to get rid of Susanoo's arrows.

Chapter 71 page 17: Sakura runs at Ino while performing the Clone no Jutsu to make 2 fake clones. Although it is a low level jutsu, it is still performed while Sakura is running, proving jutsu can be used when someone is running.

[Tourune]

Can you?
Tsukuyomi can't kill. Tsukuyomi can only be used if Itachi looks into his target's eyes. Kakashi won't look into Itachi's eyes. Kakashi Kamuis Itachi's heart out. Itachi dies.
Point is If Kakashi looks in Itachi's Direction Then Tsuki, Ammy, OR clone explotion. Itachi is faster than Kakashi + his Clone timeing will DEFINETLY be to much for Kakashi Proven 3 times.

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Point is If Kakashi looks in Itachi's Direction Then Tsuki, Ammy, OR clone explotion. Itachi is faster than Kakashi + his Clone timeing will DEFINETLY be to much for Kakashi Proven 3 times.

Itachi faster in footspeed and reaction speed that Kakashi? there pretty equal at best

Itachi better at clone timing and strategies than Kakashi? granted Itachi is good, but Kakashi is the most preficient user of various types of clones in the manga (Naruto can create more, but is overall not as skillful)

which is more lethal and instant? Itachi's MS moves, or Kamui which IS instant and warped 2 susano arrows? with both bloodlusted, Kamui out trumps anything Itachi has