NarutoRulez & Gamabunta Vs. Skylar & The Immortal Watch Dog (Debate Contest Match 4)

[Jinchiruuki]

Sasori vs Itachi

Conditions/Location: Valley of the End. 200 meters apart. No Hiruko, Starts out in Real form and Kazekage. No health wank on Itachi.

Good luck to both teams!

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Sasori should take this...he can field massive aoeas of poison...and has an arsenal that while Itachi can do damage too..due to his health not being wanked..wont be able too for a long time

as long as Sasori plays keep away he should win this

he needs to avoid getting amateretsu'd I'm not even sure if Genjutsu's gonna work on a dude who has no brain

his best bet is to field poison and bring out some of his puppets and then force Itachi into trying to evade the poison and hit him back then just wait until he dies from over use of eye balls

or goes blind

though you did gimp Sasori a bit taking away hiruko

[NarutoRulez]

Itachi will win, imo. He can avoid a lot of Sasori's jutsu by simply turning into crows and reforming, say, behind him. With Amaterasu, he could make sure that Sasori really dies, and going blind would take a long time and a lot of Sharingan usage.

Secondly, Itachi was able to dodge a jutsu as strong and quick as Kirin, using Susanoo, so if everything was lost, he still has a trump card, Susanoo. No set of puppets or iron sand can penetrate this, and Itachi could simply use Susanoo to kill Sasori as soon as it's formed.

And last but not least, Itachi could use his genjutsu to dodge or deflect most attacks and work his way behind Sasori, then take him out with any preferable jutsu, be it genjutsu, ocular jutsu or amaterasu. My point is, even if he has to dodge the poison, Itachi has enough experience and jutsu to kill Sasori. If Sakura and Chiyo were able to do it, Itachi would be able to do it as well.

[chidoriroar]

Itachi will win, imo. He can avoid a lot of Sasori's jutsu by simply turning into crows and reforming, say, behind him. With Amaterasu, he could make sure that Sasori really dies, and going blind would take a long time and a lot of Sharingan usage.

Secondly, Itachi was able to dodge a jutsu as strong and quick as Kirin, using Susanoo, so if everything was lost, he still has a trump card, Susanoo. No set of puppets or iron sand can penetrate this, and Itachi could simply use Susanoo to kill Sasori as soon as it's formed.

And last but not least, Itachi could use his genjutsu to dodge or deflect most attacks and work his way behind Sasori, then take him out with any preferable jutsu, be it genjutsu, ocular jutsu or amaterasu. My point is, even if he has to dodge the poison, Itachi has enough experience and jutsu to kill Sasori. If Sakura and Chiyo were able to do it, Itachi would be able to do it as well.
you dont seem to know much about itachi. that crow thing is either used in genjutsu, or as a fancy escape jutsu. and genjutsu cant dodge or deflect anything and im sure genjutsu wont work on sasori.

[Skylar]

Sasori is immune to genjutsu do to being a puppet, this takes away all of Itachi's genjutsu(from which his crow technique would probably be considered).

If Sasori is targeted by amaterasu he could use heart transfer to transfer into the 3rd Kazekage, or another puppet he has summoned. Of course after that he would lose his ability to control his 100 puppets, but would still survive. This goes for susano'o too, if Sasori is about to be slashed with the sword he could heart transfer to avoid it.

If Itachi gets slashed with any of Sasori's puppets weapons he's poisoned, the pain/side-effects of this could be too much for Itachi to use susano'o or ammy.

Itachi really has no long range moves(that I can think of) besides susano'o, while Sasori's iron sand techniques(with the kazekage) and his 100 puppets are long range; in the end Sasori could just attack from long range to ware out Itachi, and later he could go in for the kill.

[Jinchiruuki]

you dont seem to know much about itachi. that crow thing is either used in genjutsu, or as a fancy escape jutsu. and genjutsu cant dodge or deflect anything and im sure genjutsu wont work on sasori.

Since this thread has nothing to do with you, I am going to have to ask you to please not post here again.

This is only for the tournament debators.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Sasori is immune to genjutsu do to being a puppet, this takes away all of Itachi's genjutsu(from which his crow technique would probably be considered).

If Sasori is targeted by amaterasu he could use heart transfer to transfer into the 3rd Kazekage, or another puppet he has summoned. Of course after that he would lose his ability to control his 100 puppets, but would still survive. This goes for susano'o too, if Sasori is about to be slashed with the sword he could heart transfer to avoid it.

If Itachi gets slashed with any of Sasori's puppets weapons he's poisoned, the pain/side-effects of this could be too much for Itachi to use susano'o or ammy.

Itachi really has no long range moves(that I can think of) besides susano'o, while Sasori's iron sand techniques(with the kazekage) and his 100 puppets are long range; in the end Sasori could just attack from long range to ware out Itachi, and later he could go in for the kill.


to add to what my partner says and maybe expound on what he is posting..Itachi does have long range attacks...the issue is..the ones that would actually do damage meaningful lethal damage to Sasori...are techs that exhaust him and exacerbate his illness and only shorten his life

Itachis defense while virtually flawless does not protect him from poison and even if it does..it drastically shortens his life span

Sasori own toxins from what I could see can be made to AOE after this...all he has to do is keep flooding the area with toxins...while running the hell away from itachi

this will culminate in a victory..by endurance and outlasting the enemy

this is of course all assuming genjutsu won't work on him...I don't think it will./..what with him only being a hunk of flesh and a mass of chakra and all

but I'm not definite on it

now I yield the floor to our opposing team

[NarutoRulez]

Sasori is immune to genjutsu do to being a puppet, this takes away all of Itachi's genjutsu(from which his crow technique would probably be considered).

If Sasori is targeted by amaterasu he could use heart transfer to transfer into the 3rd Kazekage, or another puppet he has summoned. Of course after that he would lose his ability to control his 100 puppets, but would still survive. This goes for susano'o too, if Sasori is about to be slashed with the sword he could heart transfer to avoid it.

If Itachi gets slashed with any of Sasori's puppets weapons he's poisoned, the pain/side-effects of this could be too much for Itachi to use susano'o or ammy.

Itachi really has no long range moves(that I can think of) besides susano'o, while Sasori's iron sand techniques(with the kazekage) and his 100 puppets are long range; in the end Sasori could just attack from long range to ware out Itachi, and later he could go in for the kill.

If Sasori used Heart Transfer, he would just transfer his heart to another puppet, so all Itachi would have to do in Susano'o form, is to turn around and slash at him again. With his ultimate offense, Itachi could still exhaust Sasori greatly.

Also, for long range attacks, Itachi could use Phoenix Flower Jutsu or Great Fireball Jutsu as Long Range attacks to avoid getting hit by puppets and force Sasori away.

In addition, Itachi could avoid the poison, since he can avoid attacks like Kirin, so I really think that the poison is not the problem. Using techniques like Clone Great Explosion, and adding his experience and ANBU skills, Itachi can trap Sasori, so he won't even necessarily need his Genjutsu.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

If Sasori used Heart Transfer, he would just transfer his heart to another puppet, so all Itachi would have to do in Susano'o form, is to turn around and slash at him again. With his ultimate offense, Itachi could still exhaust Sasori greatly.]

just swing his arm in the other direction? what makes you think...the replacement will be there any ways?

further more itachi survived exactly five minutes...with his god hax non sense....Sasori only needs to stall him until his body shuts down

Also, for long range attacks, Itachi could use Phoenix Flower Jutsu or Great Fireball Jutsu as Long Range attacks to avoid getting hit by puppets and force Sasori away.

attacks that shouldn't do any lasting damage or be impossible for a person with sasori skill to avoid

In addition, Itachi could avoid the poison, since he can avoid attacks like Kirin, so I really think that the poison is not the problem. Using techniques like Clone Great Explosion, and adding his experience and ANBU skills, Itachi can trap Sasori, so he won't even necessarily need his Genjutsu.

why would Itachi avoid a poison gas cloud AOE...the same way he avoided a physical attack last I checked susanoo does not protect him from..the air he breathes which will be flooded with poison

why is he trapping a fighter with *vastly* more experience then him? Sasori is what forty some? and has been in high level combat since he was in his tweens?

as far as shaodw clones and what not clone great explosion was a tech Deidera used yes? that we don't know if it relied on his clay or not..you can't say itachi will use that...and such deceptions shouldn't fool a person of Sasori's calibur

*floor yielded to my partner and opposing team*

[Skylar]

If Sasori used Heart Transfer, he would just transfer his heart to another puppet, so all Itachi would have to do in Susano'o form, is to turn around and slash at him again. With his ultimate offense, Itachi could still exhaust Sasori greatly.

Also, for long range attacks, Itachi could use Phoenix Flower Jutsu or Great Fireball Jutsu as Long Range attacks to avoid getting hit by puppets and force Sasori away.

In addition, Itachi could avoid the poison, since he can avoid attacks like Kirin, so I really think that the poison is not the problem. Using techniques like Clone Great Explosion, and adding his experience and ANBU skills, Itachi can trap Sasori, so he won't even necessarily need his Genjutsu.
Well I thought ur partner was supposed to counter next, but oh well.

The fire styles you mentioned: One is filler, and the other is short range(actually the filler one is too).

How's he going to trap Sasori at long range?

[Jinchiruuki]

This debate has been declared as finished. I will post the winner as soon as some of my judges get on and debate with me on this. Please be patient.

[Jinchiruuki]

The other judges and I have declared Immortal Watch Dog and his team the victors for this debate.

[The 1st Hokage]

Congratz you 2. You both debating well. Great job to NR and Gama as well.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

You have no idea how hard it is for me not to jump in on these debates. Also, it's been established that Sasori can beat Itachi and that Genjutsu won't work on him. Just to clarify.

[Jinchiruuki]

You have no idea how hard it is for me not to jump in on these debates. Also, it's been established that Sasori can beat Itachi and that Genjutsu won't work on him. Just to clarify.

your debate battle is up >.>

[SageoftheSixPaths]

I was scheduled for the 20th, I thought?

[Jinchiruuki]

Newwwwwwp your up buddy

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Meh. Posted. I don't like getting the Kabuto side. There are too many unknowns with him.

[Jinchiruuki]

Which is why I gave him all the feats of Orochimaru...so anything Orochi did..Kabuto did...and there are plenty of feats from Orochimaru.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

So why not just make it Orochimaru with Akatsuki Edo Tensei summons?

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

Cause Kabuto is cooler silly. =]

[Jinchiruuki]

So why not just make it Orochimaru with Akatsuki Edo Tensei summons?

Add Kabuto's Chakra scalpel technique...increase of healing ability and superb knowledge on just about every Narutoverse character we have seen thus far which includes Naruto.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Sooooooo you made it totally one sided? xD

I'm just saying, Orochimaru himself was bad enough. Adding Medical Ninjutsu to the mix is just overkill. Combine that with Edo Tensei, specifically of Nagato/Paths, and you've got yourself a very one sided battle.

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

Depends how you look at it brah, I don't see if one sided personally. =]

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Considering I'm debating FOR Kabuto, I do. :]

[Jinchiruuki]

Sooooooo you made it totally one sided? xD

I'm just saying, Orochimaru himself was bad enough. Adding Medical Ninjutsu to the mix is just overkill. Combine that with Edo Tensei, specifically of Nagato/Paths, and you've got yourself a very one sided battle.

I will clarify that you are allowed only ONE Edo Tensei..meaning only 1 path of pain is summonable.

[Lady Tsunade]

xDD
I see you guys decided then. Yea.
It was probably the right choice too..scanning over some of that...
Lol

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

Considering I'm debating FOR Kabuto, I do. :]

Lets hope the other team is able to debate against that, I don't usually see those two in the BG.

Unless I'm going partially blind, or my sunglasses are blocking my view. xD

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

looks like we won..sweet

thanks for the debate narutorulez sorry you where left hanging by your partner..next tournament..maybe we'll do this dance again

[NarutoRulez]

Haha, thanks for the debate, I never actually debated a lot, so this was a first. You two were good, too bad Gama didn't show up. :/...

Still, thanks for everything! ^_^