The-One-Above-All vs Every other verse

[prasanth]

the greatest takes on everything under him (marvel, bleach, naruto etc... HE TAKES ON EVERYTHING!)

who wins?

[Cyl]

I'm sure there are other omnipotents in EVERY OTHER VERSE so it's noting but a tie no matter what.

[NBT]

Chuck Norris solos.
But seriously,I did this already and it was said the result was a draw,though I have my doubts.

All none omnipotents,except Norris who is far above omnipotence,are destroyed instantly.

[Akainu]

He ties with MoM, Kami Tenchi and The One.

[Cyl]

He ties with MoM, Kami Tenchi and The One.
Are these people omnipotents? If not, then they die instantly, and I'm sure The One isn't omnipotent.

Just like ECW said, it's a tie between the omnipotents.

[deidara330]

In the previous thread, I've said that multiple omnipotents > one omnipotent, so TOAA would lose.

[Cyl]

Naruto.
I hope you're joking.
You also haven't posted reasons, this can be viewed as spam.
I was pretty close to -repping you, but, from the recent events, I'll wait before -repping in certain cases.

In the previous thread, I've said that multiple omnipotents > one omnipotent, so TOAA would lose.
I don't see how, I mean, how can multiple infinities beat one infinity anyway?

[Akainu]

In the previous thread, I've said that multiple omnipotents > one omnipotent, so TOAA would lose.

Omnipotents are beings that cannot lose, the best result is a tie.

If you lose then you aren't an omnipotent.

[Vivi]

Naruto.


Lolwhut?

Is that a Joke?


In the previous thread, I've said that multiple omnipotents > one omnipotent, so TOAA would lose. That's great and we said Stalemate.
Just because you said it doesnt mean it's right.

As said Infinity cannot be topped by Infinity.

[deidara330]

Omnipotents are beings that cannot lose, the best result is a tie.

If you lose then you aren't an omnipotent.When was it said that Omnipotents cannot lose? Couldn't two omnipotents defeat one?That's great and we said Stalemate.
Just because you said it doesnt mean it's right.

As said Infinity cannot be topped by Infinity.I didn't say that just because I said it made it right. I was only re-stating what I said in the previous thread.

I'm not saying infinity can top infinity. I'm saying infinityX2 can top infinity.

[prasanth]

deidara330 i think your so very wrong, and btw how many posts until u have infracting powers?

[Phoenix Wright]

Wow... Not this again please.

I'm not gonna be forced to make that uncounterable debate like last time, am I? because when I did D330 never countered and claimed he didn't feel like it because he was too stubborn to give up when it was clear he couldn't make a counter.

0 + 0 = 0.
0 0 + 0 is still 0.

[deidara330]

deidara330 i think your so very wrong, and btw how many posts until u have infracting powers?1. That's great. Why do you think I'm wrong?

2. It's not a matter of posts, it's a matter of if you deserve it.
Wow... Not this again please.

I'm not gonna be forced to make that uncounterable debate like last time, am I? because when I did D330 never countered and claimed he didn't feel like it because he was too stubborn to give up when it was clear he couldn't make a counter.

0 + 0 = 0.
0 0 + 0 is still 0.Exactly what is your arguement here? If 0 refers to the omnipotents, 0 + 0 doesn't equal 0. Omnipotents don't have 0 power, they have infinite power. And two infinities is more than one infinity, in the same sense that two rocks is more than one rock, two pencils are more than one pencil, and two posts are more than one post.

[prasanth]

1. That's great. Why do you think I'm wrong?

2. It's not a matter of posts, it's a matter of if you deserve it.

1. because all the other beter debators think your WRONG.
2. so how do you get it?

[deidara330]

1. because all the other beter debators think your WRONG.
2. well all people with posts over 2000 posts have infracting powers, so thats my target1. You don't have your own reasoning, then. You're just taking everyone else's. Therfore debating with you is pointless, since you'll just repeat whatever they say.

2. I don't have infracting powers, and my post count is over 2000. However, I was offered the powers and turned down the offer.

[prasanth]

1. You don't have your own reasoning, then. You're just taking everyone else's. Therfore debating with you is pointless, since you'll just repeat whatever they say.

2. I don't have infracting powers, and my post count is over 2000. However, I was offered the powers and turned down the offer.

1. not really i just dont need to repeat myself after theyve made a clear valid point, unlike you

2. your lying u failure, how do u get it then?

[deidara330]

1. not really i just dont need to repeat myself after theyve made a clear valid point, unlike you

2. your lying u failure, how do u get it then?1. You make a point. I counter it. You counter that. That's kinda how debating works.

2. I'm not lying. You have to make good quality posts and be a help to the forum community. The admins and FAIL members will recognize you as someone who deserves it, and you'll be given infracting powers.

[Phoenix Wright]

1. That's great. Why do you think I'm wrong?

2. It's not a matter of posts, it's a matter of if you deserve it.
Exactly what is your arguement here? If 0 refers to the omnipotents, 0 + 0 doesn't equal 0. Omnipotents don't have 0 power, they have infinite power. And two infinities is more than one infinity, in the same sense that two rocks is more than one rock, two pencils are more than one pencil, and two posts are more than one post.

Whatd I say?

Infinity cannot be measured. It simply cannot. It is not ________ + _________.

You claim infinity and eternity are similar concepts, remember? Yes but the one major difference separates them.

You said during eternity you can pick the time that has passed, if it's an infinite line you ant pick one spot and claim it as how much 'has passed.' Omnipotents have unlimited power, while facing off, one deems the other from existence and the other brings himself back.

Their limit is none, while facing off they can't go above each others power because it simply cannot be topped.

Don't bring up mortal humans or objects or simple lines as a factor of this debatebecause they are useless, we're dealing with people who know everything there is to know, and ever will happen, and can do anything ANYTHING, and are everywhere and nowhere at once, and not at all in a way.

They can make a rock so big they can't lift it but also lift it and not at the same time, they cannot be topped.

If they are beaten they aren't a true omnipotent.

You cannot add two infinities, as I mentioned above, there is no amount of line that has 'passed' so far,it is just there.

Don't use objects such as pencils either, it means nothing when talking about the number infinity.

[deidara330]

Oi....

Whatd I say?

Infinity cannot be measured. It simply cannot. It is not ________ + _________.

You claim infinity and eternity are similar concepts, remember? Yes but the one major difference separates them.

You said during eternity you can pick the time that has passed, if it's an infinite line you ant pick one spot and claim it as how much 'has passed.' Omnipotents have unlimited power, while facing off, one deems the other from existence and the other brings himself back.

They're limit is none, while facing off they can't go above each others power because it simply cannot be topped.

Don't bring up mortal humans or objects or simple lines as a factor of this debatebecause they are useless, we're dealing with people who know everything there is to know, and ever will happen, and can do anything ANYTHING, and are everywhere and nowhere at once, and not at all in a way.

They can make a rock so big they can't lift it but also lift it and not at the same time, they cannot be topped.

If they are beaten they aren't a true omnipotent.

You cannot add two infinities, as I mentioned above, there is no amount of line that has 'passed' so far,it is just there.

Don't use objects such as pencils either, it means nothing when talking about the number infinity.If infinity cannot be measured how can the concept of infinity even exist? Infinity is the measure of endlessness.

Infinity and eternity are similar in that they go on forever, they don't end.

However, the scenario you present is one omnipotent facing another. If it were two omnipotents, the one omnipotent couldn't overcome the power thrust on him by two omnipotents and would cease to exist. One infinity is facing two infinities here. If you were to pick any number on a number line to represent what each infinity is, adding two of those numbers together would make it twice as much as one. Alone, two omnipotents would tie and be of equal power. With three omnipotents, having two on one side and one on the other side puts the one at a disadvantage that didn't exist when the fight was one on one.

Would you say that each omnipotent has equal power, then? In that case, the combined power of the two omnipotents would be too much for the one to handle. If all three are equal, two using their power on one would overpower the one.

If it is something so incomprehensible that it can never be likened to any other thing in existance, how can you be so adamant that it is impossible that one can lose? Right now the popular belief is that only one omnipotent exists in the universe, not three. If two others existed, and they faced one, how can you be so certain that two all-powerful beings cannot topple one? To say it would be a tie is to say that one omnipotent has power equal to multiple omnipotents, in which case said omnipotent could beat any single one in a one on one fight, which defies accepted logic. That itself is a paradox.

I know you cannot add two infinities. However, I'm not trying to combine the omnipotents into one power. I'm saying the force of their two completely seperate powers is more than the force of one power. Again, to say that one omnipotent would be in a complete tie with two is to say that the same omnipotent could overpower one, which most people recognize as impossible. So either multiple omnipotents > one omnipotent, or one omnipotent > one omnipotent. Both scenarios cannot be ties, as a tie in one scenario would make a tie in the other impossible.

? I thought you said infinity wasn't a number, that it couldn't be measured.

[Phoenix Wright]

You, my kind sir almost won a Jesus Facepalm post.

I said don't use things like numbers and objects we actually know of. There are things called paradoxes it seems you don't understand.

Infinity is definitely different than two numbers on a number line. If two omnipotents are equal and they face one, it's not like two clones of you are fighting you.

Infinity is endless, another infinity is also endless. ENDLESS. You ant add onto something that can't be added onto.

[tanduhman]

I agree with deidera330.. yes it is true that omnipitants cannot be measured as a number etc. But think about this, just because this character is omnipatint in their verse does not mean that they are omnipitant in another verse.

Omnipitants have a seense of power, and if one omnipitant has a greater sense of power in their verse rather than the other than the result would be different.

posing two different verses changes the aspect of being omnipitant. Lets say that in spngebob that red krab is omnipitant because knowone in his verse can beat him.. well in the naruto verse an omnipitant character would obviusly be much more omnipitant than that of the one in spongebob due to the different ways that the verses produce.

I find the rule that you are not omnipitant if you lose very far fetched in this case... if you insist on using that than It may be stated that these characters are only omnipitant int heir verse but hence in other verses their omnipitant powers no longer exist for they now have the ability to lose.

[deidara330]

You, my kind sir almost won a Jesus Facepalm post.

I said don't use things like numbers and objects we actually know of. There are things called paradoxes it seems you don't understand.

Infinity is definitely different than two numbers on a number line. If two omnipotents are equal and they face one, it's not like two clones of you are fighting you.

Infinity is endless, another infinity is also endless. ENDLESS. You ant add onto something that can't be added onto.Telling me I almost won a Jesus facepalm hasn't helped your arguement any.

I believe I just said that to say one omnipotent could tie with two and not beat a lone one is a paradox. You haven't countered that.

Actually, it is. How is any one omnipotent different from any other? Besides the name used to identify them, which doesn't matter in this debate.

I'm not adding one infinity onto another infinity. I'm saying the existance of two infinities is more than the existance of one infinity. In the case of the existance of multiple infinities, each infinity is equal, since each one is just as endless as the other. In which case, the existance of two infinities is more than the existance of one. I'm not adding the infinities at all. I'm saying that seperately, two infinities is more than one infinity. To say otherwise is to say the existance of one infinity is equal to the existance of many infinities, and one infinity cannot be more than one infinity.

Edit:

I agree with deidera330.. yes it is true that omnipitants cannot be measured as a number etc. But think about this, just because this character is omnipatint in their verse does not mean that they are omnipitant in another verse.

Omnipitants have a seense of power, and if one omnipitant has a greater sense of power in their verse rather than the other than the result would be different.

posing two different verses changes the aspect of being omnipitant. Lets say that in spngebob that red krab is omnipitant because knowone in his verse can beat him.. well in the naruto verse an omnipitant character would obviusly be much more omnipitant than that of the one in spongebob due to the different ways that the verses produce.

I find the rule that you are not omnipitant if you lose very far fetched in this case... if you insist on using that than It may be stated that these characters are only omnipitant int heir verse but hence in other verses their omnipitant powers no longer exist for they now have the ability to lose. Your arguement is somewhat different from mine, tanduhman. In this case all omnipotents are all-powerful. My arguement is that two all powerful beings can overpower one, which is not your arguement. Your arguement doesn't refer to all-powerful beings, it refers to each person being omnipotent in their respective universe, yet not so in another. If each being is all-powerful, they are all of equal power no matter which universe they reside in.

[Phoenix Wright]

Just.... No.. *Facepalm* I don't see how anyone could get anything you said as an answer. Clones are nothing like Omnipotents. Everytime you die can you just bring yourself back? There's a possibility of loss there. I'm going to look up the definition of stalemate so I can be sure you know what you're talking about.

If you don't tell me thisu failed to counter: what exactly do you think the definition of stalemate is?

[deidara330]

Just.... No.. *Facepalm* I don't see how anyone could get anything you said as an answer. Clones are nothing like Omnipotents. Everytime you die can you just bring yourself back? There's a possibility of loss there. I'm going to look up the definition of stalemate so I can be sure you know what you're talking about.

If you don't tell me thisu failed to counter: what exactly do you think the definition of stalemate is?Stalemate, impasse, tie, neither side can defeat the other. Edit: Not impasse. I take that back. Still, tie, and neither side can defeat the other.

Couldn't two omnipotents simply use their power to prevent the one omnipotent from ever bringing himself back, in the same way they can destroy any normal being?

Again, facepalming does not support your arguement.

[Phoenix Wright]

The omnipotent simply prevents them from preventing him from bringing himself back and does so. See if they loop like this, it's a stalemate?

Neither do your sentences explaining it,if you feel harmed in some way I'll debate without emotion.

[deidara330]

The omnipotent simply prevents them from preventing him from bringing himself back and does so. See if they loop like this, it's a stalemate?

Neither do your sentences explaining it,if you feel harmed in some way I'll debate without emotion.He cannot prevent them from preventing him from bringing himself back, because since they're multiple omnipotents they outnumber and overpower him. He cannot make himself imprevious to their attack as their attack is stronger than his defense.

Isn't debating already supposed to be without emotion?

I notice the longer we continue this debate, the shorter our posts become.

[Phoenix Wright]

The first omnipotent equals their combined power; they cannot become greater than infinity.

Emotion: A mental state that arises spontaneously rather than through conscious effort and is often accompanied by physiological changes; a feeling: the emotions of joy, sorrow, reverence, hate, and love.

Therefore speaking as you do is showing emotion, asking a question as well. Adding contractions to words shows the slightest bit of emotion.

[deidara330]

The first omnipotent equals their combined power; they cannot become greater than infinity.

Emotion: A mental state that arises spontaneously rather than through conscious effort and is often accompanied by physiological changes; a feeling: the emotions of joy, sorrow, reverence, hate, and love.

Therefore speaking as you do is showing emotion, asking a question as well. Adding contractions to words shows the slightest bit of emotion.They aren't greater than infinity, they are multiple infinities. I'm not talking about the amount infinity stands for, I'm talking about the amount of infinities themselves. Again, to say that one omnipotent equals the combined power of two is to say that the same omnipotent is more powerful than one. If it makes no difference, the additional omnipotents in the battle amount to nothing in terms of the outcome of the battle itself. And I don't see how an all-powerful being can amount to nothing in any way.

Huh. Didn't know that.

[Phoenix Wright]

One omnipotent makes them both disappear and locks away all chance of coming back,since he knows what they'll do next he counters, the other two also know and they continue countering for eternity because they have limitless power and can't die.

[Nyruss]

This again?

1: Bad thread is bad.
2: An omnipotent is infinite. It can not be overpowered in any way, shape or form, even by multiple omnipotents. You can NOT compare them on a numerical scale because infinity is concept not a number. If you try and claim it does, you fail at everything forever.

TOAA rapes any verse that doesn't have an omnipotent and ties with the ones that do.

I petition for a lock.

[Phoenix Wright]

Yeah to be honest I'd prefer a lock as well.

[321zigzag1]

This again?

1: Bad thread is bad.
2: An omnipotent is infinite. It can not be overpowered in any way, shape or form, even by multiple omnipotents. You can NOT compare them on a numerical scale because infinity is concept not a number. If you try and claim it does, you fail at everything forever.

TOAA rapes any verse that doesn't have an omnipotent and ties with the ones that do.

I petition for a lock.

Of course except Onoverse.

[Toad Master]

Want this come down to which verse there in because IMO there wouldnt have control over someone else Verse.

The One Above All would really only have control over Marvel Universe.