Kimimaro vs. Pre-Sasuke

[Toad Master]

Location: Where Naruto & Sasuke battled
Rules: Both can go CS2 if needed.


Who Wins?

[e710]

Sasuke's C2 chidori will slice kimmi up.

[Toad Master]

No Way!!!

Seed of Fern will Kill Sasuke before he gets close.

[321zigzag1]

Both need to go to CS2 to win this match.

[Toad Master]

Kimimaro wins when he goes CS2

[stryder h]

def kimimaro bracken dance from the bottom clematis dance from above

[Zaori Momochi]

Kimimaro wins when he goes CS2

But Sasuke can go CS2 as well, and they both have the most powerful versions of the CS

[Black Shuck]

Kimimaro > Sound Four (if I remember correct)
Sound Four > Pre-Sasuke
Kimimaro > Pre-Sasuke

Kimimaro wins.

[JCTKNE4E]

I think Kimi takes this. Pre ship Sasuke hadn't developed the sharingan anywhere near as much as he'd need to in order to hold his own against Kimi. Nine tails cloak naruto and lee couldn't do any real damage to Kimi, when he was only in base.

And up until sasuke released full CMS2 AND got the third tamoe (sp?) to his sharingan was he able to keep up with cloaked naruto, and outmatch him.

I'm pretty sure Kimi takes this with HIS CMS2, though unfortunately we never got to see it's feats, it allowed him to burst out of sand tsunami with brute force.

I guess it depends on how pre sasuke we are talking. For him to have any sort of chance, it needs to be literally right before ship, when he was at his peak, and even then, I'm not sure.

[Zaori Momochi]

Sound Four > Pre-Sasuke.

That was only before he obtained his CS2

[Zaori Momochi]

Nine tails cloak naruto and lee couldn't do any real damage to Kimi, when he was only in base.

Naruto never used his cloak against Kimi.

[JCTKNE4E]

Hmmm.. how to get around this without breaking forum rules....

Look up Naruto vs. Kimimaro fight description on youtube, click the first video, proof that he used his cloak. No tails mind you, but the chakra cloak is clearly visible.

Will edit this post when I can find the actual episode from a viz media source.

[Black Shuck]

That was only before he obtained his CS2
oh, yeah. but it wouldn't make any deference to the end result. would it?

[Zaori Momochi]

Hmmm.. how to get around this without breaking forum rules....

Look up Naruto vs. Kimimaro fight description on youtube, click the first video, proof that he used his cloak. No tails mind you, but the chakra cloak is clearly visible.

Will edit this post when I can find the actual episode from a viz media source.

It is not a cloak unless it has tails. He was simply just accessing the Nine Tails chakra like he did with Neji.

[JCTKNE4E]

Which is what I thought Jiraiya described as the ninetails cloak. The ninetails chakra enveloping him.

[Zaori Momochi]

oh, yeah. but it wouldn't make any deference to the end result. would it?

Against Sound 4? Yes, because Sasuke had a more powerful version of the Curse Mark

Which is what I thought Jiraiya described as the ninetails cloak. The ninetails chakra enveloping him.

The cloak is when chakra leaks out and becomes visible.

[Black Shuck]

Against Sound 4? Yes, because Sasuke had a more powerful version of the Curse Mark



The cloak is when chakra leaks out and becomes visible.
you mean Pre-Sasuke could win against Sound Four?

[Zaori Momochi]

you mean Pre-Sasuke could win against Sound Four?

Well he could win against each one of them individually.

As a group? Maybe.

He could definetly take out Tayuya and Fat guy.

[Black Shuck]

Well he could win against each one of them individually.

As a group? Maybe.

He could definetly take out Tayuya and Fat guy.
Bone guy took 'em out as a group.

I don't think Pre-Sasuke has a chance. Doesn't matter if a couple of them died, it's still a win.

[prasanth]

kimi stomps

[Tourune]

good fight + Sasuke can fly but Kimim reached Garra in the air so Kimi

also sasuke has no counter to Bone Bullet

nice thred thow

[Bacon]

Kimimaro versus Pre shippunden Sasuke after he has the third mark of his sharingan; and he has a chance.

Dance one: Sasuke could use his sharingan to antipate the thrusts from Kimimaro's hidden bones,but the first might kill Sasuke.

Dance two: Kimimaro is out matched here because Sasuke can match Kimi here since his attacks revolve around that bone sword.

Dance three: the Armor of bone was beaten by Drunk lee, who did not have a sharingan; Sasuke could handle this.

However, taking the Curse seal out and revealing his bone armor, and increasing his taijutsu could prove too much for sasuke. In other words, without chidori, and a clean hit, Sasuke will need curse seal one. His fire jutsu are no where near the power of gaara's sand attacks, and his taijutsu is rendered useless.

Dance four/ Curse seal two: Kimi is rather limited to his tailed and spear made of bone. This limits his speed some what, and the ways he can manuever and attack. Against 90 percent of nruto characters, this is deadly. However a sharingan warrior, could find a way around this and use that to his advantage. Sasuke would need curse seal two though.

Climax/ bracken dance: We know little about this dance, other than it creates a bone fortress over 600 in hieght, and Kimimaro can use this to transport himself in and out at will.
Sasuke would most likly lose here due to a lack of chakra, and ability to break this attack.

[Akatsuki Tsunade]

Kimimaro > Sound Four (if I remember correct)
Sound Four > Pre-Sasuke
Kimimaro > Pre-Sasuke

Kimimaro wins.


short sweet and to the point.. all thoese i agree with as facts..

so yes kimimaro wins

[JCTKNE4E]

The cloak is when chakra leaks out and becomes visible.

Which is exactly what was happening during his encounter with Kimimaro. The orange chakra was clearly visible, though no tails had formed.

[Bacon]

Jct, the cloak Naruto used from the chunin exams is hwat Naruto was using against Kimimaro. It would be far less potent, and hardly a cloak. It was more like the Kyuubi's chakra leaking just a little.

[Toad Master]

Jct, the cloak Naruto used from the chunin exams is hwat Naruto was using against Kimimaro. It would be far less potent, and hardly a cloak. It was more like the Kyuubi's chakra leaking just a little.

Even So, He defeated 100's if not a 1000 without trying. He could have killed Naruto or Lee from the get go.

[Kuroda Taishi]

Jct, the cloak Naruto used from the chunin exams is hwat Naruto was using against Kimimaro. It would be far less potent, and hardly a cloak. It was more like the Kyuubi's chakra leaking just a little.

This is mostly correct,

Which is exactly what was happening during his encounter with Kimimaro. The orange chakra was clearly visible, though no tails had formed.

If there are no tails, then it is not a cloak.

[Bacon]

Even So, He defeated 100's if not a 1000 without trying. He could have killed Naruto or Lee from the get go.
I was not debating if Naruto could win, but just trying to distinguish what he was using.
This is mostly correct,



If there are no tails, then it is not a cloak.

What did I get wrong? xD

[Kuroda Taishi]

What did I get wrong? xD

During the Chunin exams he was intentionally accessing Kyubi chakra. I don't think he was doing it intentionally vs. Kimi, but I could be wrong.

Either way it still was not a cloak in either battle.

[Bacon]

Ok I see, that is true. I remember Naruto intentionally drawing the chakra in his fight against Neji,but it was actually rage that brought it out against Kimimaro.

[Toad Master]

either way Kimimaru wins. Do to Sasuke having nothing to beat him.

[Bacon]

I would have to draw the line there. Chidori could pierce kimimaro's deneses easily. The down side is the dangerous aspect of chidori, and the odds of htting his heart. There is a slim chance Sasuke could win,but he has yet prove himself stronger than Kimimaro.

[Toad Master]

I would have to draw the line there. Chidori could pierce kimimaro's deneses easily. The down side is the dangerous aspect of chidori, and the odds of htting his heart. There is a slim chance Sasuke could win,but he has yet prove himself stronger than Kimimaro.


I dont see him getting close enough to Kimimaro in order to hit him. Bone forest would kill Sasuke from the start.

[JCTKNE4E]

That's quite enough out of you prasanth. You were neg repped because all you said was kimi stomps. You aren't even TRYING to contribute. Then, you neg repped me in retaliation, your comment being "because you disaproved of my coment". Try working on your spelling bud. The worst is that you claimed to be miles. If you were, my rep would have gone down way more than one single point. Nice try. If you're going to act like that, leave the battlegrounds. You are the exact sort of user D330 and the rest are trying to have removed.

And would anyone mind telling me how it is not a cloak unless there are tails present? Jiraiya simply described it as the ninetails chakra leaking out. Regardless, base sasuke with sharingan was only keeping up with him, whereas base kimi was owning dozens of kyuubi charged shadow clones and naruto with ease. Which essentially shows Base kimi > base pre-sasuke. So both using CMS2 wouldn't really change the outcome much IMO. That's the only point I was trying to show.

[321zigzag1]

What Naruto in the chunin exams doesn't compare to 1 Tailed form at all.

There should be no attempt to try to make them similar in power if anyone is trying to that is.

1 Tailed form >>> chunin exams Kyuubi Naruto aura thing.

[Twisterty]

Kimi roflstomps.

[JCTKNE4E]

What I am saying is when naruto first began fighting sasuke, he didn't start with the one tails at all, or even the orange chakra cloak with no tails, and sasuke was taking hits. He had three tamoe at this point, but no curse mark.

With orange chakra leaking V Kimi, Kimi wasn't even struggling. At all.

Pre naruto, orange chakra > none leaking at all.

So base Kimi >>> Orange chakra tapped Naruto

Base pre Sasuke is barely greater than or = no orange chakra leaking at all.

I did forget naruto jumped straight to one tails, and never had any orange chakra leaking at all before that point, like he did with kimi, but still, the logic is there now.

[e710]

What I am saying is when naruto first began fighting sasuke, he didn't start with the one tails at all, or even the orange chakra cloak with no tails, and sasuke was taking hits. He had three tamoe at this point, but no curse mark.

With orange chakra leaking V Kimi, Kimi wasn't even struggling. At all.

Pre naruto, orange chakra > none leaking at all.

So base Kimi >>> Orange chakra tapped Naruto

Base pre Sasuke is barely greater than or = no orange chakra leaking at all.

I did forget naruto jumped straight to one tails, and never had any orange chakra leaking at all before that point, like he did with kimi, but still, the logic is there now.

You can't always base battles on how they did VS the same opponent. Also I think Sasuke gets a bigger strength and chakra boost than kimimaro. Also there is a big difference between no tails Naruto and a tail and cloak Naruto.

[321zigzag1]

What I am saying is when naruto first began fighting sasuke, he didn't start with the one tails at all, or even the orange chakra cloak with no tails, and sasuke was taking hits. He had three tamoe at this point, but no curse mark.

Yet his eyes changed. Its still the same initial form.

With orange chakra leaking V Kimi, Kimi wasn't even struggling. At all.

He never really leaked any orange chakra then against Kimimaro from what I recall but its still the same along with his initial form. His eyes changed.


Base pre Sasuke is barely greater than or = no orange chakra leaking at all.

When 3 tomoe came out Sasuke was able to casually react to KN0 movements with ease and counter effectively which forced 1 tailed transformation.

KN0 was defeated. Sasuke in base was marked around Weightless Lee in speed chunin exams.

Base Naruto had to go to KN0 to compete with Sasuke whose 2 tomoe then failed him.

[Toad Master]

What I am saying is when naruto first began fighting sasuke, he didn't start with the one tails at all, or even the orange chakra cloak with no tails, and sasuke was taking hits. He had three tamoe at this point, but no curse mark.

With orange chakra leaking V Kimi, Kimi wasn't even struggling. At all.

Pre naruto, orange chakra > none leaking at all.

So base Kimi >>> Orange chakra tapped Naruto

Base pre Sasuke is barely greater than or = no orange chakra leaking at all.

I did forget naruto jumped straight to one tails, and never had any orange chakra leaking at all before that point, like he did with kimi, but still, the logic is there now.

Your wrong Sasuke didnt get the third tamoe until after Naruto started using the fox's chakra.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Seedling Fern stomps Chidori Lament or whatever the crap they're calling it these days.

[JCTKNE4E]

You can't always base battles on how they did VS the same opponent. Also I think Sasuke gets a bigger strength and chakra boost than kimimaro. Also there is a big difference between no tails Naruto and a tail and cloak Naruto.

Trust me I know that there is a huge difference in the two, which is why I'm glad one user put KN0, I guess that's about as close to what I'm getting at as can be described.

But there is also a huge difference between orange chakra (KN0) and base (pre) naruto as well, as shown by his fights, particularly with Haku. It displays exactly how much he is tapping into the fox's power, without forming an actual tail (which I know uber stomps KN0).

The strength, speed, and chakra enhancements given to both Kimi and Sasuke are debatable as well, seeing as how little we know of Kimimaro's CMS2, other than the fact that it helped him tank and bust out of Sand Tsunami.

And I know, which is why I haven't been bringing up the neji argument much, since naruto progressed quite a lot since the chunin exams. However, I think the Naruto V Kimi fight is worth bringin up, since it was the last fight Naruto was in before his fight with sasuke, and so is as close a comparison as I can draw between the two (seeing as how Kimi died soon after).

It is as close a measure in feats as I can get for this hypothetical fight.

[Maddog]

Kimimaro providing he doesn't die from TB during the fight. Anyone who can outlast a drunk Lee and than Gaara hitting him with all he has beats Sasuke at that point in time. Kimimaro would have killed Gaara and Lee had he not died of TB a second before.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Kimimaro could easily kill Sasuke with Dance of the Seedling Fern.

For the record, Gaara had much more destructive and wide ranged attacks than Kimimaro, but failed to kill him. Gaara also had a much better defense than Sasuke, but Kimimaro still could've killed him.

Honestly I don't see how Sasuke wins. If Sasuke tries Chidori, Kimimaro uses Dance of the Larch and Sasuke's hand gets cut to shreds.

[Ninja of Cao]

Hard question.
Kimimaro have a disease that can kill him at any second, but I think he can finish off Sasuke before that happens. On the other hand, Sasuke's Chidori and fire style Jutsu are very strong.
But still, I say Kimimaro Kaguya.

[chidorimadness]

black chidori+ cs2 wings = k.o. also sasuke could beat rock lee and gaara without cs2

[Toad Master]

black chidori+ cs2 wings = k.o. also sasuke could beat rock lee and gaara without cs2


Sasuke with Cs1 was unable to beat Gaara, explain how he can beat him without CS2?

Gaara does the same attacks he did of Kimimaro and Sasuke dies.
Kimimaro only withstood it because of his Kekkai Genkai.

[chidorimadness]

Sasuke with Cs1 was unable to beat Gaara, explain how he can beat him without CS2?

Gaara does the same attacks he did of Kimimaro and Sasuke dies.
Kimimaro only withstood it because of his Kekkai Genkai.


at beginning of chunin exams when sasuke used chidori to go through gaaras defense and make him bleed

[Toad Master]

at beginning of chunin exams when sasuke used chidori to go through gaaras defense and make him bleed

Gaara defeated Sasuke with CS1 after that, but Sasuke has never beaten Gaara when he is not acting crazy.

Sasuke could not have beaten the varsion of Gaara that fought Kimimaro.

[Miles Edgeworth]

black chidori+ cs2 wings = k.o. also sasuke could beat rock lee and gaara without cs2

If Sasuke were to attempt Chidori on Kimimaro he'd get his hand cut off. Seriously, look at what happened when Lee tried Primary Lotus on Kimimaro. The kick backfired.

Sasuke could beat Lee, yes. But not Gaara. Do note that Gaara was trashing Sasuke without even using the full Shukaku. Also, there is no way CS2 Sasuke could kill Gaara, if he tried a Chidori then Sand Tsunami is coming his way and unlike Kimimaro, he has no way to get out.

[chidoriroar]

kimmimaru wins