janemba (second form) VS. buu (gohan absorption)

[ukiyo]

this seems like a very fair fight

location: hell

[e710]

Super gohan Buu wins. Fat buu was a match for ss3 Goku and then super buu beat ss3 gotenks or was on pair with him call it as you will. Gohan was suppose to be able to beat Buu with gotenks so just think how strong Super Gohan buu is beacuse he absorbed 3 people stronger than ss3 Goku which Janemba wasn't that much stronger than. Also Buu was an universal threat to almost every planet so he also has more hype.

[Spleen Boy]

Super Janemba wins hands down. He has dimensional powers and had to force goku into fusing with vegeta into Gogeta who was universally known as the strongest character in DBZ even more so then Vegito and forced Gogeta into SS2 where as Vegito only had to go SS in order to way out match Buu.

[ukiyo]

Super Janemba wins hands down. He has dimensional powers and had to force goku into fusing with vegeta into Gogeta who was universally known as the strongest character in DBZ even more so then Vegito and forced Gogeta into SS2 where as Vegito only had to go SS in order to way out match Buu.

my thoughts exactly

suck it 1st poster

[Nyruss]

Buu calls Janemba a poopy face. Janemba explodes.

[e710]

my thoughts exactly

suck it 1st poster

O I see how it is. Vegito is the undisputed strongest character in DBZ and it was said a couple of times. Also Gotects ss3 should be around Gogeta's lvl seeing how there both fusions and Gotects is the weaker but is in ss3. You add Super Buu and Mystic Gohan and they should be able to beat Gogeta. So eat that whoever tokd me to suck it.

[ukiyo]

O I see how it is. Vegito is the undisputed strongest character in DBZ and it was said a couple of times. Also Gotects ss3 should be around Gogeta's lvl seeing how there both fusions and Gotects is the weaker but is in ss3. You add Super Buu and Mystic Gohan and they should be able to beat Gogeta. So eat that whoever tokd me to suck it.

nu

vegito and gogeta are on the same levels

regular vegito rapes gohan absorbed buu and second form janemba was a challenge for ssj2 gogeta

so janemba > gohan aborbed buu

[Yellow Flash]

nu

vegito and gogeta are on the same levels

regular vegito rapes gohan absorbed buu and second form janemba was a challenge for ssj2 gogeta

so janemba > gohan aborbed buu
That doesn't prove anything when it's been said that Vegito is the strongest character in DBZ.

[Ultimate combatant]

On a Dragon Ball Z forum a user called NeciFiX wrote:

"Because, Gogeta was only seen in SSj1 status (you may go, he went SSj4 in GT! Well, GT isn't canon.). If you are pairing SSj1 vs SSj1 then Vegito. SSj4 (non-canon) vs SSj1 = Dead Vegito.

Old Kai did state that the Potara fusion is superior to the Metamaro fusion dance, it was, also, however, permanent. If you took out the 30 minute thing with the dance and pitted them together, it'd be a little odd. Normal Vegito never fought Super Boo with Goten/Trunks/Ultimate Gohan/Piccolo absorbed, he immediately transformed to SSj1 (in the Manga). SSj1 Vegito was just overkill. Gogeta could easily handle Janemba. Janemba was a bit stronger than a SSj3. Ultimate Gohan, who was absorbed, was substantially more powerful than a SSj3.

To deduce this more, SSj3 Gotenks and SSj3 Goku must be paired together in a fight. Gotenks is much stronger than Goku, as Goku stated himself. Goku said, however, that, "he is no match for Buu".

If SSj3 Goku was "no match for Buu" and Janemba was only a bit stronger than SSj3 Goku, but was easily killed by SSj Gogeta since he was weaker by a huge margin, we have to calculate this even further. The gap between SSj3 and SSj4 is huge, very very huge, you may not think it is though, so we have a lot of ground work to go here. I'm pretty sure if Gogeta was in his normal form and fought Janemba the result would be the same, albeit he'd be a ****-load weaker. It would be sort of like Super Vegito vs Super Buu w/ Ultimate Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Piccolo absorbed. If Janemba was only a bit stronger than a SSj3, then the result of him fighting Buu in the state he was previously mentioned in would result in imminent death.

If you were to plan out a table, it would go like this (as of now)

Gogeta (Normal Form) > Gotenks SSj3 >>> Janemba (Final Form) > Goku SSj3 >= (roughly) SSj Gotenks > Janemba (1st Form) > SSj2 Goku >= SSj2 Vegeta > SSj Goku >= SSj Vegeta

Why wasn't Vegito or SSj1 Gogeta put on there? Simply put, we aren't done yet.

Let's do another fight to break this down, shall we? Ultimate Gohan vs Final Form Janemba. As previously said, Ultimate Gohan is substantially stronger than SSj3 Goku/Gotenks. Ultimate Gohan was MUCH weaker than Buu w/ SSj3 Gotenks and Piccolo (Goten and Trunks were not broken apart at the time of Gohan fighting him), he didn't touch Buu once, and Buu was surprised when Gohan merely got out of one of his attacks. Super Buu himself was weaker than a SSj3 Gotenks (by a bit), but, with SSj3 Gotenks and Piccolo added in he had brains and a lot of power, he was overwhelmingly more powerful than Ultimate Gohan like SSj Gogeta was to Janemba.

Anyways, we'll get back to Ultimate Gohan vs Janemba. As previously said, Ultimate Gohan was substantially more powerful than any SSj3, a SSj3 was almost on par with Final Form Janemba. So, obviously, this would place Ultimate Gohan to be substantially more powerful than Final Form Janemba. The gap between Ultimate Gohan and Janemba would be quite large, large enough for Ultimate Gohan to finish him off in a minute or two and sustain very little to no damage, sort of like USSj Vegeta vs Semi-Perfect Cell, but not quite as wide as SSj Gogeta vs Janemba.

Janemba would be easily finished by both Ultimate Gohan and SSj Gogeta, so you know who I'm pairing next. This would be quite the match, but, SSj Gogeta would win. Why? An SSj3 is no match for Ultimate Buu (as we'll call him from now on to avoid naming all the people he's absorbed). Janemba is a bit stronger than an SSj3, but not overwhelmingly so, so he'd be no match as well, and Ultimate Gohan was substantially more powerful than a SSj3, but was significantly weaker than Semi-Ultimate Buu (with SSj3 Gotenks/Piccolo), since Janemba is no match for Semi-Ultimate Buu, and neither is an SSj3, and Ultimate Gohan was significantly weaker than Semi-Ultimate Buu, then...

Gogeta in SSj1 was so much more powerful than Janemba Final Form that a direct hit to the face did absolutely nothing, his speed and power was overwhelming to Janemba. Since Janemba is nothing compared to Semi-Ultimate Buu, and Ultimate Gohan was significantly weaker, and as my previous observations stated it would still take Ultimate Gohan a minute or two to finish Janemba off and it only took Gogeta a few moments, then points lead to Gogeta in SSj1 to be a bit stronger than Ultimate Gohan, since Ultimate Gohan was significantly weaker then Semi-Ultimate Buu, then SSj1 Gogeta would fit snuggly at a radius of on par to a bit stronger than Semi-Ultimate Buu.

Since we've dug down this all and calculated SSj1 Gogeta's power to be roughly that of Semi-Ultimate Buu, then we must calculate SSj1 Vegito's. Super Vegito was *A LOT* more powerful than Ultimate Buu , who is a step above Semi-Ultimate Buu or SSj1 Gogeta's equivalent, then... well, isn't it obvious? Ultimate Buu was getting his ***** kicked, SSj1 Vegito was just overkill, SSj1 Vegito's gap in power was as huge if not huger as SSj Gogeta vs Janemba Final Form's power. Since this is true, the table is complete.

SSj1 Vegito >>>>> Normal Vegito >? (? Because he never fought Ultimate Buu) Ultimate Buu >>>>> SSj Gogeta >= Semi-Ultimate Buu > Ultimate Gohan > SSj3 Gotenks >>> Janemba (Final Form) > SSj3 Goku > Janemba (First Form) > SSj2 Goku >= SSj2 Vegeta.

SSj Vegito vs SSj Gogeta would be overkill, SSj Vegito would have this easily.

Super Vegito fended off Ultimate Boo with only his legs and not even at full power and STILL was injuring him, he even kicked the crap out of him as CANDY. If SSj Gogeta is equivalent to (roughly) Semi-Ultimate Boo, and SSj Vegito is MONSTROUSLY more powerful than ULTIMATE Boo who is a step ahead of Semi-Ultimate Boo. The process here is simply like complicated Mathematics broken down into a simple equation, we had to convert SSj1 Gogeta's power to match Buu's power, and now that it has been done, I think the winner here is obvious.

Vegito FTW."

This was to prove how much superior Vegito/Vegetto is compared to Gogeta.
Here you can also find explanation how much stronger Buu with Gohan absorbed is than Janemba.

It is so easy.
Ordinary Super Buu would kill Janemba (final form) easily, let alone Buu with Gohan absorbed.

[ILLusioNaire]

Janemba is really no match for Super Buuhan. Yes, Janemba was stronger than SSjin 3 Goku, but that certainly doesn't automatically mean he's on Super Buu's level. I don't think Janemba really did that exceptional against SSjin 3 Goku. And so, I suspect he isn't that much stronger than him. SSjin 3 Goku is weaker than even SSjin Gotenks [post-RoSaT]. How is Janemba going to take on Super Buuhan?

[Former Crimson King]

Janemba is really no match for Super Buuhan. Yes, Janemba was stronger than SSjin 3 Goku, but that certainly doesn't automatically mean he's on Super Buu's level. I don't think Janemba really did that exceptional against SSjin 3 Goku. And so, I suspect he isn't that much stronger than him. SSjin 3 Goku is weaker than even SSjin Gotenks [post-RoSaT]. How is Janemba going to take on Super Buuhan?


how is ssj3 goku weaker than ssj gotenks when fat buu beat ssj gotenks and goku was winning his fight wit fat buu

[Miles Edgeworth]

Super Janemba wins hands down. He has dimensional powers and had to force goku into fusing with vegeta into Gogeta who was universally known as the strongest character in DBZ even more so then Vegito and forced Gogeta into SS2 where as Vegito only had to go SS in order to way out match Buu.

What? Gogeta>Vegito? Not so. Vegito and Gogeta are about equal, but Vegito lasts forever and Gogeta has a 30 minute time limit. Once the limit's up, GG.

Also it was stated in manga that Potara>Fusion Dance.

Btw, where was it ever stated that Gogeta used SSJ2? I'm positive Gogeta only used SSJ1.

my thoughts exactly

suck it 1st poster

Do refrain from such talk, it does not contribute at all.

nu

vegito and gogeta are on the same levels

regular vegito rapes gohan absorbed buu and second form janemba was a challenge for ssj2 gogeta

so janemba > gohan aborbed buu

Challenge? As I recall, Gogeta was raping Janemba. Both Vegito and Gogeta were stomping their opponents.

The problem is that I fail to see how Janemba could beat Super Buu, who has the combined powers of Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Piccolo. Honestly I fail to see how Janemba wins. Super Buu clearly has the power and intelligence advantage.

[ILLusioNaire]

how is ssj3 goku weaker than ssj gotenks when fat buu beat ssj gotenks and goku was winning his fight wit fat buu

SSjin Gotenks Post-Time Chamber, not pre. After Gotenks trained in the time chamber he was able to really damage Super Buu with his Kamikaze Ghost Attack. Furthermore, SSjin Gotenks never fought Fat Buu, and it was predicted by Goku that SSjin Gotenks [pre] would be stronger than him. Goku knows the power boost fusion gives, and if he knows the power level of the ones fusing he would know how powerful they were going to be.

[ukiyo]

What? Gogeta>Vegito? Not so. Vegito and Gogeta are about equal, but Vegito lasts forever and Gogeta has a 30 minute time limit. Once the limit's up, GG.

Also it was stated in manga that Potara>Fusion Dance.

Btw, where was it ever stated that Gogeta used SSJ2? I'm positive Gogeta only used SSJ1.



Do refrain from such talk, it does not contribute at all.



Challenge? As I recall, Gogeta was raping Janemba. Both Vegito and Gogeta were stomping their opponents.

The problem is that I fail to see how Janemba could beat Super Buu, who has the combined powers of Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Piccolo. Honestly I fail to see how Janemba wins. Super Buu clearly has the power and intelligence advantage.
gotenks fusion time was up reverting buu to piccolo form so he had to abosrb gohan

so your gotenks thing is invalid

[Ultimate combatant]

Everyone who is arguing, PLEASE look at comment number 9!

[ILLusioNaire]

It's a pretty well laid out analysis. And I agree that Potara is superior to the dance in more ways than one. The only part I have issue with is the method with which the quote calculated SSjin Gogeta's level. All we know is Gogeta was unaffected by Janemba's attack and that he finished him with a mere assault. Janemba, as was said in the post, wasn't that much stronger than SSjin 3 Goku, and SSjin 3 Goku would be owned by regular Super Buu like SSjin Gogeta owned Janemba. It could have just as easily been said that SSjin Gogeta is on Super Buu's level [perhaps a bit stronger], even more easily really. Because if you can't prove that SSjin Gogeta is stronger than that, why go a step further and say that he is stronger? There's no real proof to back that claim up. Then you're just making allegations.

Beyond that however the post is pretty solid I guess.

[USSJ]

janemba is a match for buutenks but gets beaten by buuhan. both were roflstomped by goku/vegeta fusions so its hard to tell.