View Full Version : Itachi vs. Minato
Black Shuck
05-01-2010, 11:15 PM
Who wins? How?
No restrictions.
Location: The place where Naruto(and Sasuke) fought Gaara(in Shukaku form)
Yellow Flash
05-01-2010, 11:20 PM
Not enough information is know about Minato to debate about him.
By hype, Minato takes this with FTG.
prasanth
05-02-2010, 06:46 AM
if itachi has his version of susanoo im sure he takes it, but seeing as there isnt enough info on minato he might be able to dodge with FTG
anyway i still think minato takes this, hes hypersonic
FierceNightmare
05-02-2010, 06:49 AM
Minato Lightblitz Itachi then stabs him in the chest with a Rasengan.
There is no way Itachi can see light (Minato).
Minato wins.
Kuromaki
05-02-2010, 06:57 AM
Itachi stomps by feats only. He actually has speed feats and Minato has no Genjutsu defense.
By hype, Minato wins due to being much faster.
Minato Lightblitz Itachi then stabs him in the chest with a Rasengan.
There is no way Itachi can see light (Minato).
Minato wins.
How is Minato Lightspeed?
FierceNightmare
05-02-2010, 06:59 AM
Itachi stomps by feats only. He actually has speed feats and Minato has no Genjutsu defense.
By hype, Minato wins due to being much faster.
How is Minato Lightspeed?
Do you mean Lightbliz, Nah that was a figure of speech.
deidara330
05-02-2010, 07:43 AM
Itachi should win with little difficulty. Itachi can capture Minato in a Tsukuyomi, and exhaust him. Minato has shown no feat of Genjutsu defense, even though he's the Fourth Hokage. He has no base speed feats, so hitting him with Amaterasu shouldn't be too hard. Susano'o instantly blocks any FTG tagged kunai that Minato throws at him. The strength of Minato's Rasengan is unknown, so I can't debate with it. If Minato summons Gamabunta, Itachi can use Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, or he could seal Gamabunta away with his Susano'o's sword. Itachi's Fireball jutsu itself provides a wide range, which I don't think Minato can escape since he's shown so few speed feats. In fact, Itachi should be able to blitz quite easily considering Minato's few speed feats without FTG.
Black Shuck
05-02-2010, 07:52 AM
Kishi Interview 2008 (SJ):
SJ: While we're at it... could you please tell us if Minato was the strongest shinobi that ever lived?
MK: Hmmm, it's a tricky question. As far as dead shinobis goes, then yes, he's the strongest. I'd say that Sandaime shares the number one spot with him. As far as living shinobis goes... well, without going into many details I'd have to say no. There's a couple of shinobis whose stronger than him.
I'm not sure whether Itachi was dead(Mar/April, 2008) by then or not. If he was, Minato got this -almost certainly.
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As raikage proved speed is a perfect counter to Sharingan users. And Minato ought to have an excellent array of jutsus too. But again Itachi is one darn good shinobi with his MS techniques and all.
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clueless...
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no wait... I'm on Minato's side.
Shikamaru Nara
05-02-2010, 08:21 AM
Minato Lightblitz Itachi then stabs him in the chest with a Rasengan.
There is no way Itachi can see light (Minato).
Minato wins.
I lol'd so hard I threw up.
Itachi wins easily with feats. Susano'o can tank a Rasengan with ease. Lightblitz isn't really a BG term, and even if it was, Minato isn't near Lightspeed.
You technically can't stab anybody in the chest with a Rasengan. :roll:
This brings me to three conclusions. A. Minato wins by hype. B. Itachi easily wins by feats. C. You're on crack.
Kingsnoke
05-02-2010, 08:23 AM
Kingsnoke says that Minato could use the Dead Demon Consuming Seal With a Shadow Clone.
And then there are the Boss Toad Summons.
Black Shuck
05-02-2010, 08:28 AM
Kingsnoke says that Minato could use the Dead Demon Consuming Seal With a Shadow Clone.
And then there are the Boss Toad Summons.
Black Shuck wonders what is the point of using Shiki Fujin on itachi. :???:
Mangekyou Sasuke
05-02-2010, 08:57 AM
Right now i say Minato, but all i know he has is summoning rasengan and the teleport.
Shikamaru Nara
05-02-2010, 08:59 AM
Right now i say Minato, but all i know he has is summoning rasengan and the teleport.
Those are minor feats compared to Itachi.
Miles Edgeworth
05-02-2010, 10:02 AM
Minato lacks feats. They say he's fast but whether it's truly speed or merely one's perspective of Minato using FTG is unknown.
However, the fact of the matter remains that Itachi should be able to catch Minato in a genjutsu quite easily, and if he were to use Susanoo there is really no way Minato can kill it.
FTG relies on a kunai tagging the opponent, and it's highly doubtful Itachi would be tagged by a kunai of all things, as shown when Itachi and Sasuke weapon fought and the fact that Itachi has an advanced Sharingan.
colorles
05-02-2010, 10:05 AM
how is Minato stronger by hype than Itachi? just think about what your saying here, think about Itachi's abilities and his reaction speeds with sharingan
Black Shuck
05-02-2010, 10:07 AM
how is Minato stronger by hype than Itachi? just think about what your saying here, think about Itachi's abilities and his reaction speeds with sharingan
Kishi Interview 2008 (SJ):
SJ: While we're at it... could you please tell us if Minato was the strongest shinobi that ever lived?
MK: Hmmm, it's a tricky question. As far as dead shinobis goes, then yes, he's the strongest. I'd say that Sandaime shares the number one spot with him. As far as living shinobis goes... well, without going into many details I'd have to say no. There's a couple of shinobis whose stronger than him.
I'm not sure whether Itachi was dead(Mar/April, 2008) by then or not. If he was, Minato got this -almost certainly.
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As raikage proved speed is a perfect counter to Sharingan users. And Minato ought to have an excellent array of jutsus too. But again Itachi is one darn good shinobi with his MS techniques and all.
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clueless...
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no wait... I'm on Minato's side.
See inside the spoilers.
Miles Edgeworth
05-02-2010, 10:10 AM
By the way, I'd like to know...
How in the world is Minato hypersonic?
Shikamaru Nara
05-02-2010, 11:01 AM
By the way, I'd like to know...
How in the world is Minato hypersonic?
He isn't.
Alrokako
02-01-2011, 09:46 PM
if itachi has his version of susanoo im sure he takes it, but seeing as there isnt enough info on minato he might be able to dodge with FTG
anyway i still think minato takes this, hes hypersonic
man susanoo is good defense but what use is it if ur opponent moves so fast u wouldnt even know he moved at all till ur dead minatos speed cant be detected by itachi fast enough for susanoo to work and lets say he did put susanoo up just to be safe he wouldnt be able to hold it forever eventually he would have to let it down and in the instant he would die minato would slaughter itachi this isnt even a match and thats not even puttin into consideration the powers minato has
Alrokako
02-01-2011, 09:53 PM
I understand you ppl keep saying that itachi would win because he has susanoo but yall need to really understand itachi has to be able to kno when his opponent is about to attack before summoning susanoo minato moves in the blink of a eye by the time he would have susanoo out minato would be inside of susanoo right beside itachi or in others hes far to fast for it and amaratatsu yall may not agree but this isnt even a match in my opinion idk whether minato himself or the stress of overusing his MS would kill itachi first because if he had to fight minato he would use it the whole match to survive minato far exceeds itachi and we dont even kno minatos full power even if he summon susanoo he eventually have to let it down because of strain of using it and would die once he does let it down itachis one of my fav characters but im not goin to dickride him and act like this is a match he could win
Kuromaki
02-02-2011, 06:17 AM
Im gonna change my opinion and say Minato wins.
By hype, his speed is high enough to dodge Amaterasu and Susanoo, and if there are FTG seals all over the place that he throws around, he can avoid them even easier. Also, what's stopping him from redirecting Ammy to Itachi?
Genjutsu is the only problem and that's if Minato deliberately makes eye contact with Itachi despite knowing what he can do (through Naruto). Boss summons and his own great chakra control are efficient enough to dispel the weaker ones.
Kill3r_B-st
02-02-2011, 12:14 PM
only real way to combat itachis susano'o is a boss summon which may not hold. genjutsu will be a big prob. but then again if knowledge was applied minato could surpass this. so far susano'o from itachi was shown once and said to be invicible but as long as it cannot hit minato and outlast susano'o. itachis done. ammy can be dodged as sasukes was said to be better and A dodged it and A's reactions were compared to that of minato. tsukiyomi is minatos only real threat here
Altair
02-02-2011, 12:21 PM
Itachi wins easily. Minato is such a over hyped character it's not even funny. Fire style, Amatsersu, susanoo, genjutsu, should all be able to take care of Minato.
Shikamaru Nara
02-02-2011, 12:25 PM
Itachi wins easily. Minato is such a over hyped character it's not even funny. Fire style, Amatsersu, susanoo, genjutsu, should all be able to take care of Minato.
Ha.
Fire Style is easily avoided unless it's Phoenix Flower, which homes in on the opponent, but Itachi hasn't shown any feats of actually being able to do that, Altair. The most Katon he's used would be Fireball.
Susano'o wouldn't do much. The only way he would be able to attack would be the Kusanagi Blade, but with the amont of prep using that damn thing takes, I could say that FTG would be faster.
Genjutsu? Genjutsu? Are you kidding me? He's Kage level for sure. You think that he wouldn't be able to dispel Genjutsu? Anybody who was that incompetent wouldn't be in the Hokage position anyway.
Yes, even Tsunade.
Altair
02-02-2011, 12:35 PM
Ha.
Fire Style is easily avoided unless it's Phoenix Flower, which homes in on the opponent, but Itachi hasn't shown any feats of actually being able to do that, Altair. The most Katon he's used would be Fireball.
Amatersu
Susano'o wouldn't do much. The only way he would be able to attack would be the Kusanagi Blade, but with the amont of prep using that damn thing takes, I could say that FTG would be faster.
What prep time? Itachi was able to activate susanoo seconds before sasuke hit him with kirin.
Genjutsu? Genjutsu? Are you kidding me? He's Kage level for sure. You think that he wouldn't be able to dispel Genjutsu? Anybody who was that incompetent wouldn't be in the Hokage position anyway.
So basically you're saying that Neji could dispel a genjutsu just because he's a jonin? Rank means absouletly nothing in Naruto, and neither Minato nor Tsunade has shown any ability to dispel a genjutsu
Yes, even Tsunade.
There really isn't any type of attack that Minato can do to Itachi that he can't counter or avoid. Minato uses rasegan, amatersu. Summoning, susanoo, etc.
Shikamaru Nara
02-02-2011, 12:44 PM
Amatersu
What the hell is an Amatersu?
What prep time? Itachi was able to activate susanoo seconds before sasuke hit him with kirin.
You're appearantly devoid of the ability to read. I was referring to the Kusanagi Blade. Susano'o alone can't do scratch.
So basically you're saying that Neji could dispel a genjutsu just because he's a jonin? Rank means absouletly nothing in Naruto, and neither Minato nor Tsunade has shown any ability to dispel a genjutsu
That's in general terms. Saying Tsunade is strong because she's Hokage is a null statement. Saying that she's able to dispel a Genjutsu because she's Hokage isn't. They're totally different.
Do you honestly think somebody could obtain the rank of Jounin or Hokage if they were completely void of Genjutsu control? It's being able to stop your Chakra flow, which should be childsplay for anyone of any importance whatsoever.
There really isn't any type of attack that Minato can do to Itachi that he can't counter or avoid. Minato uses rasegan, amatersu. Summoning, susanoo, etc.
Yeah, Itachi can do all of this and come off unscathed? I strongly disagree. He was a sitting duck after using one of any of those Sharingan techniques that you've stated for an appearantly extended period of time, in which Minato could use to prep for FTG. Once it's prepped, there's nothing stopping Minato.
Yellow Flash
02-02-2011, 05:56 PM
I don't quite remember the default BG knowledge, but what is stopping Itachi from getting Minato in a Tsukiyomi or a simple Genjutsu, considering Minato has shown no Genjutsu prowess.
SageoftheSixPaths
02-02-2011, 06:13 PM
Minato is around supersonic speed judging from his Madara fight.
FTG obviously gives him teleportation when set up.
Itachi has roughly supersonic reaction feats as well, but slower movement/attack speed. Given that, it also takes a moment to unleash MS.
In that time, given the standard 50 meter starting distance, Minato can rush Itachi with a Rasengan. However, Genjutsu in base Sharingan form can potentially stop Minato in his tracks.
Basically, this fight comes down to the following:
-Does Minato have enough REASONABLE hype to withstand Sharingan-level Genjutsu?
-Can Itachi react while activating MS in time to make a Genjutsu with no hand signs involved?
-Does Minato have ANY prior knowledge of Uchiha Sharingan powers? (Note: He was the Hokage of the village that HOSTED the Uchiha, so this is a reasonable extrapolation)
-Can a FTG seal work on Genjutsu? It's a stretch, but it's been shown to teleport a Kyuubi Menacing Ball with ease, meaning it CAN teleport chakra-based attacks (which a Jutsu is).
Kuromaki
02-02-2011, 06:36 PM
I don't quite remember the default BG knowledge, but what is stopping Itachi from getting Minato in a Tsukiyomi or a simple Genjutsu, considering Minato has shown no Genjutsu prowess.
Default BG knowledge now gives them knowledge they have of each other in the manga.
Since Minato had part of his soul, or his chakra, or whatever he sealed in Naruto's body, he should know about Itachi's Sharingan, along with him already knowing some stuff about the Uchihas.
Minato is around supersonic speed judging from his Madara fight.
What part of that fight made him supersonic in base speed? I wouldn't argue with supersonic Shunshin through powerscaling, but I don't usually use -sonic labels anyway.
-Does Minato have enough REASONABLE hype to withstand Sharingan-level Genjutsu?
As long as it's not Tsukuyomi, he should be fine, either through Gamabunta or his own chakra control. Rasengan is the highest form of shape manipulation, and Minato created it, which means he has excellent chakra control. He's also Kage level so surely he's not going to get one shotted by lower level genjutsu.
-Can Itachi react while activating MS in time to make a Genjutsu with no hand signs involved?
I think he can use a normal genjutsu with regular Sharingan, but probably, yeah.
-Does Minato have ANY prior knowledge of Uchiha Sharingan powers? (Note: He was the Hokage of the village that HOSTED the Uchiha, so this is a reasonable extrapolation)
From what I remember, he knew who Madara was, and the Uchihas were around during his time. I think Kushina met Mikoto too so Minato must have known some of them.
In any case, since he saw what happened to Naruto through the seal (like he knew about Jiraiya's death), he should know about the Sharingan.
-Can a FTG seal work on Genjutsu? It's a stretch, but it's been shown to teleport a Kyuubi Menacing Ball with ease, meaning it CAN teleport chakra-based attacks (which a Jutsu is).
Doubt it. How's it going to teleport a mental illusion?
mrteabag
07-02-2011, 04:32 AM
Guys isn't it obvious that naruto and sasuke are like representitives for them we just have to wait for them to fight and see since sasuke is the bad guy and doesn't really have a reason for fighting my bet is on minato/naruto
mrsticky005
07-02-2011, 04:38 AM
I would say Itachi.
How is Minato getting past Sussano in order to actually hit Itachi?
Itachi just has to spam with Sussano and Amaterasu and sooner or later Minato dies.
Even if it's by an indirect means such as a tree falling on him.
RINNEMAN1
07-02-2011, 06:11 AM
Default BG knowledge now gives them knowledge they have of each other in the manga.
Since Minato had part of his soul, or his chakra, or whatever he sealed in Naruto's body, he should know about Itachi's Sharingan, along with him already knowing some stuff about the Uchihas.
What part of that fight made him supersonic in base speed? I wouldn't argue with supersonic Shunshin through powerscaling, but I don't usually use -sonic labels anyway.
As long as it's not Tsukuyomi, he should be fine, either through Gamabunta or his own chakra control. Rasengan is the highest form of shape manipulation, and Minato created it, which means he has excellent chakra control. He's also Kage level so surely he's not going to get one shotted by lower level genjutsu.
I think he can use a normal genjutsu with regular Sharingan, but probably, yeah.
From what I remember, he knew who Madara was, and the Uchihas were around during his time. I think Kushina met Mikoto too so Minato must have known some of them.
In any case, since he saw what happened to Naruto through the seal (like he knew about Jiraiya's death), he should know about the Sharingan.
Doubt it. How's it going to teleport a mental illusion?
That's default Knowledge?! Dang then Minato probably wins.
Without knowledge though, Itachi win due to Genjutsu.
Inuyasha
07-02-2011, 06:39 AM
I would say Itachi.
How is Minato getting past Sussano in order to actually hit Itachi?
Itachi just has to spam with Sussano and Amaterasu and sooner or later Minato dies.
Even if it's by an indirect means such as a tree falling on him.
If the Reaper Death seal didn't take the life of it's caster that would've made things much more interesting because he could've sealed Itachi's Susano'o away.
mrsticky005
07-02-2011, 07:06 PM
If the Reaper Death seal didn't take the life of it's caster that would've made things much more interesting because he could've sealed Itachi's Susano'o away.
why not just kill Itachi?
-shikamaru-
08-31-2011, 05:08 PM
Minato was able to protect the leaf against madara (the greatest sharingan user) and the nine tails, so id put my money on minato
Warsaw504
08-31-2011, 07:31 PM
I slightly say minato because of speed susanoos good and all but eh theres a limit to me this would really be a long drawn out battle which itachi cant handle long fights but it would be a close fight
not to mention he beat madara
ItaSakuWTH
08-31-2011, 07:40 PM
Minato since he probably knows about eye genjutsu so he wouldnt look in itachi's eyes
itachi cant stay in susanoo too long anyways
Flying Fortress Skyfire
08-31-2011, 07:46 PM
Tsukuyomi ---> facestab. The end.
ItaSakuWTH
08-31-2011, 07:51 PM
Minato probably knows about visual genjutsu since the uchiha were still alive at that time
Flying Fortress Skyfire
08-31-2011, 07:53 PM
But the Mangekyo was not known even among most of the Uchiha.
deidara330
08-31-2011, 08:04 PM
But the Mangekyo was not known even among most of the Uchiha.Still, the Mangekyo takes some time to activate. Not much, but some. Itachi typically begins a battle in the normal Sharingan; While he generally won't use the Mangekyo until he needs it, because it causes blindness, he does go into the Mangekyo against strong opponents when a fight begins. Still, Minato is bound to know enough about the Uchiha and their Genjutsu that he'll avoid it as soon as the fight starts, and when the Sharingan changes into the Mangekyo he'll probably be too cautious to be caught in Tsukuyomi.
Not to say he wins. If Amaterasu hits, he'll probably teleport out of his clothes, and from then on he'll teleport away any incoming flames. Susano'o I don't see him getting around, but Itachi's Susano'o drains his life force and Minato can stall Itachi with defensive teleports away from the sword whenever it gets too close.
Minato's more likely to win in a forest than an open field given that his teleportation seal is placed on weapons such as kunai and it's easier to stick them in trees than over the ground. Close-range, Minato also has the Rasengan.
Flying Fortress Skyfire
08-31-2011, 08:07 PM
The possibility of being beaten by a naked man. Terrible. `:P
Amano Yukiteru
08-31-2011, 10:14 PM
I'd say Minato would take it more times than not.
At first I had my doubts but after reading Minato vs A and B I noticed that in one go he tossed a crapload of teleportation kunais and proceeded to pretty easily outmaneuever A and B. I'd say that he should be able to do the same with Itachi as well.
The only thing would be if Itachi uses Tsukuyomi from the get go or Susanoo, problem is that these are terribly out of character for him to do so they wouldn't be viable options for this scenario.
heroeking
09-01-2011, 01:25 PM
Itachi rapes with genjutsu, this should be restricted.
Super Sanin 3
09-01-2011, 01:40 PM
Why would Minato look at Itachi's eyes anyways? He doesn't need knowledge of MS to know about sharingan genjutsu
Apollo Justice
09-01-2011, 01:54 PM
I'd say Minato would take it more times than not.
At first I had my doubts but after reading Minato vs A and B I noticed that in one go he tossed a crapload of teleportation kunais and proceeded to pretty easily outmaneuever A and B. I'd say that he should be able to do the same with Itachi as well.
The only thing would be if Itachi uses Tsukuyomi from the get go or Susanoo, problem is that these are terribly out of character for him to do so they wouldn't be viable options for this scenario.
He reacted with only half a second away from being punched like there's no tomorrow and still got all the way to Bee. There's now way Itachi can keep up in this situation.
I guess that's kind of out of character for him to do it but if he did it would be sooner then later but not immediately he analyzes his opponents first.
Sasuke726
09-01-2011, 02:01 PM
Itachi rapes hard! due 2 better feats overall.
Apollo Justice
09-01-2011, 02:26 PM
Itachi rapes hard! due 2 better feats overall.
I definitely wouldn't say completely better.
Nor does he take this with low difficulty either.
He's definitely going to have a tough battle and I say Minato wins. :roll:
GucciBandana
09-01-2011, 03:03 PM
Itachi is a little stronger, Minato is the same level as Orochimaru and Jiraiya, Minato is slightly stronger than A almost 20 years ago, it is unknown how much A improved, but very likely A is still weaker than Minato by the time of his death, regardless A and Minato are the same level.
Super Sanin 3
09-01-2011, 03:47 PM
Using levels isn't too good imo, maybe in DBZ but in things like naruto A>B>C logic wouldn't work
heroeking
09-01-2011, 04:29 PM
Why would Minato look at Itachi's eyes anyways? He doesn't need knowledge of MS to know about sharingan genjutsu
No Minato doesn't know about Itachi's genjutsu. Itachi can use genjutsu by just pointing a finger.
Amano Yukiteru
09-01-2011, 08:36 PM
Itachi rapes with genjutsu, this should be restricted.
Rape? Are you kidding me?
Unless you think Itachi's gonna start out with Tsukuyomi there is no way Itachi is going to "rape" with genjutsu, I mean just lol at Minato of all people losing out to basic Sharingan genjutsu, he'd be a damn fail Hokage if he lost to just that, just lol. I mean even Pre-Skip Kakashi was still standing for a time after Tsukuyomi, the notion of Minato being insta-owned by generic Sharingan genjutsu is supported by absolutely nothing.
Itachi rapes hard! due 2 better feats overall.
People in this forum have trouble understanding the connotation of the word rape here.
Rape implies that said character has virtually no chance of losing.
Despite the fact that it's heavily debatable and easy to prove that Minato can put up a good fight, and I'd go as far as to say win here.
No Minato doesn't know about Itachi's genjutsu. Itachi can use genjutsu by just pointing a finger.
Point? I doubt he's gonna be pointing a finger at a teleporting Minato that could blitz around A and B. Even if he did, just lol at Minato getting solo'd by finger genjutsu when even early Shippuden characters could get around it.
I think it all depends on if prep is allowed. With prep Minato has FTG kunai all over the battlefield and warps to any one to avoid Itachi. Without prep Itachi seals Minato with totsuka sword.
Minato doesn't need prep for this, I assumed he would but in his fight with A and B he tossed a crapload of teleportation kunais around the battlefield and with those alone he was casually blitzing around A and B.
Also, it's terribly out of character for Itachi to use Totsuka Sword at the beginning of the fight.
heroeking
09-02-2011, 12:50 PM
Rape? Are you kidding me?
Unless you think Itachi's gonna start out with Tsukuyomi there is no way Itachi is going to "rape" with genjutsu, I mean just lol at Minato of all people losing out to basic Sharingan genjutsu, he'd be a damn fail Hokage if he lost to just that, just lol. I mean even Pre-Skip Kakashi was still standing for a time after Tsukuyomi, the notion of Minato being insta-owned by generic Sharingan genjutsu is supported by absolutely nothing.
Manga Knowledge>Your Assumptions
Yes Minato gets raped, and yes Minato has no feats against genjutsu, especially on Itachi's level
People in this forum have trouble understanding the connotation of the word rape here.
Rape implies that said character has virtually no chance of losing.
Despite the fact that it's heavily debatable and easy to prove that Minato can put up a good fight, and I'd go as far as to say win here.
No Minato gets raped hard, and Itachi has no way of losing this. Itachi reacted to lightning, while dieing and almost blind, even if Minato tried to blitz, he would still be stopped by susano'o.
Point? I doubt he's gonna be pointing a finger at a teleporting Minato that could blitz around A and B. Even if he did, just lol at Minato getting solo'd by finger genjutsu when even early Shippuden characters could get around it.
Manga Knowledge>Your Minato Overrating. No body has ever got out of a full Itachi genjutsu, except Sasuke but he has a sharingan too.
Minato doesn't need prep for this, I assumed he would but in his fight with A and B he tossed a crapload of teleportation kunais around the battlefield and with those alone he was casually blitzing around A and B.
Also, it's terribly out of character for Itachi to use Totsuka Sword at the beginning of the fight.
Itachi rapes with genjutsu unless you can prove me wrong.
Super Sanin 3
09-02-2011, 02:16 PM
Manga Knowledge>Your Assumptions
Yes Minato gets raped, and yes Minato has no feats against genjutsu, especially on Itachi's level
Not if he doesn't get caught in it, finger genjutsu or sharingan genjutsu; he also has gamabunta if he gets caught in finger genjutsu, if he uses amaterasu he's wide open
No Minato gets raped hard, and Itachi has no way of losing this. Itachi reacted to lightning, while dieing and almost blind, even if Minato tried to blitz, he would still be stopped by susano'o.
susano'o still has no way of hitting Minato through FTG
Manga Knowledge>Your Minato Overrating. No body has ever got out of a full Itachi genjutsu, except Sasuke but he has a sharingan too.
above
Jinchiruuki
09-02-2011, 02:22 PM
To be honest this is a hard one to debate. Minato is debateably too fast to be caught in a genjutsu by Itachi but then again what can he do to get around Susano'o? Also should note Itachi's hand sealing speed is absolutely invisible to the human eye unless you have a sharingan.
It isn't a rape match that is for sure...but I am wondering how Itachi would land anything besides genjutsu and how would Minato penetrate Susano'o...because even on the back side of Susano'o he is protected just not as much.
As for Minato's summons, Totsuka Sword would destroy them. So yeah I don't know...I'd say Itachi wins but barely and probably only would happen if he was able to Tsuky Minato.
Super Sanin 3
09-02-2011, 02:24 PM
There's no "valid" feats or itachi since he can get a power boost from the "not trying" logic or go down in power from the "E.T. summon" logic
heroeking
09-02-2011, 02:38 PM
Not if he doesn't get caught in it, finger genjutsu or sharingan genjutsu; he also has gamabunta if he gets caught in finger genjutsu, if he uses amaterasu he's wide open
susano'o still has no way of hitting Minato through FTG
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How will he summon gamabunta when he's instantly in a genjutsu. Even raikage got caught in genjutsu and he's the same speed as minato. Minato gets raped the moment he looks at Itachi.
NO GENJUTSU DEFENSE
Super Sanin 3
09-02-2011, 02:40 PM
it's not like he would look into his eyes instantly, he knows of the uchiha, he'll go for the FTG speedblitz (throws FTG teleport, if in danger teleport again)
heroeking
09-02-2011, 02:48 PM
it's not like he would look into his eyes instantly, he knows of the uchiha, he'll go for the ftg speedblitz (throws ftg teleport, if in danger teleport again)
finger genjutsu!!!!
Super Sanin 3
09-02-2011, 02:49 PM
finger genjutsu!!!!
FTG@! :cool:
trackstar
09-02-2011, 03:29 PM
Minato takes this even though he can't hit Itachi in susanoo he can just keep teleporting avoiding everything Itachi throws at him. Until Itachi runs out of chakra or goes blind from using susanoo to much. Then Minato finishes Itachi off.
heroeking
09-02-2011, 03:32 PM
Minato takes this even though he can't hit Itachi in susanoo he can just keep teleporting avoiding everything Itachi throws at him. Until Itachi runs out of chakra or goes blind from using susanoo to much. Then Minato finishes Itachi off.
genjutsu
heroeking
09-02-2011, 03:34 PM
No prep makes this even more of a rape
Tifa Legacy
09-02-2011, 03:39 PM
i'd say tie,to be honest
trackstar
09-02-2011, 04:16 PM
genjutsu
Minato is known to use FTG right off the bat. Minato will keep teleporting not giving Itachi the chance to capture him in the genjutsu. Then once Itachi is exhausted Minato finishes him off.
heroeking
09-02-2011, 04:35 PM
Minato is known to use FTG right off the bat. Minato will keep teleporting not giving Itachi the chance to capture him in the genjutsu. Then once Itachi is exhausted Minato finishes him off.
No prep, plus instant genjustu with no defense against it equals rape.
GucciBandana
09-02-2011, 04:40 PM
Minato is known to use FTG right off the bat. Minato will keep teleporting not giving Itachi the chance to capture him in the genjutsu. Then once Itachi is exhausted Minato finishes him off.
lol Itachi is one of the most intelligent character in the series, u think he's jus going to keep wasting his chakra like that? and it took A seeing it one time to figure out how FTG works, how long do u think its gonna take Itachi?
trackstar
09-03-2011, 11:10 AM
It doesn't matter how long it takes to figure it out. He still can't catch Minato and as soon as Itachi releases susanoo Minato finishes Itachi off.
heroeking
09-03-2011, 11:17 AM
It doesn't matter how long it takes to figure it out. He still can't catch Minato and as soon as Itachi releases susanoo Minato finishes Itachi off.
Itachi blows fire on all of minato's kunai rendering them useless.
trackstar
09-03-2011, 11:40 AM
Itachi hasn't been shown to be able to use normal jutsu while inside susanoo if he releases it to use jutsu then Minato kills him.
heroeking
09-03-2011, 11:41 AM
Itachi hasn't been shown to be able to use normal jutsu while inside susanoo if he releases it to use jutsu then Minato kills him.
Itachi doesn't need susano'o. Minato has no prep, so instant genjutsu death. If Minato does throw the kunai, blow them with fire to render them useless. Either way, Minato loses.
trackstar
09-03-2011, 11:47 AM
The location is in a forest the OP didn't say a distance so its 50 m by default. I assume since theres trees blocking itachis ability to cast a genjutsu over Minato. Giving Minato time to spread his kunais avoiding the genjuts now.
Unless that Itachi can send hit 30 fast moving kunais in a wide spread formation Minato still wins. Itachi is too busy hitting the kunais Minato moves in and finishes him.
Super Sanin 3
09-03-2011, 11:50 AM
Itachi rarely uses finger jutsu anyways, especially not in the heat of a battle, if minato throws out his FTG the forest just gives him more of an advantage
heroeking
09-03-2011, 12:11 PM
The location is in a forest the OP didn't say a distance so its 50 m by default. I assume since theres trees blocking itachis ability to cast a genjutsu over Minato. Giving Minato time to spread his kunais avoiding the genjuts now.
Unless that Itachi can send hit 30 fast moving kunais in a wide spread formation Minato still wins. Itachi is too busy hitting the kunais Minato moves in and finishes him.
Minato looks at Itachi instant genjutsu. Minato tries to blitz, instant genjutsu. Either way, he dies.
heroeking
09-03-2011, 12:12 PM
Itachi rarely uses finger jutsu anyways, especially not in the heat of a battle, if minato throws out his FTG the forest just gives him more of an advantage
Itachi has used genjutsu in almost every fight he has been in.
trackstar
09-03-2011, 12:14 PM
The point is there in a forest with trees blocking itachis fingers or eyes whatever preventing instant genjutsu. Minato spreads his kunai teleports behind itachi and proceeds kill him.
heroeking
09-03-2011, 12:47 PM
The point is there in a forest with trees blocking itachis fingers or eyes whatever preventing instant genjutsu. Minato spreads his kunai teleports behind itachi and proceeds kill him.
Minato tries to blitz, Itachi turns around instant genjutsu.
trackstar
09-03-2011, 12:54 PM
Minato took the raikage by surprise once of the fastest characters in the naruto world. Itachi will be completely taken by surprise he can't keep up with Minato.
UchihaXSasuke
09-03-2011, 01:05 PM
sharingan can keep up
and if he enters susanoo minato can't take him
itachi can't hit minato cause of his teleportation jutsu and minato can't hit itachi
this is endurance test
still itachi's got the advantage cause of genjutsu
once traped minato is dead
rados
09-03-2011, 01:05 PM
Tie or Minato wins!!!
Devils Lawyer
09-03-2011, 01:11 PM
Itachi wins in my opinion. He has a way more versatile arsenal of jutsu. Minato is still faster. But Itachi easily can match in reaction. Not to mention all it takes is one hit from his genjutsu or shisui eye to end the fight. On the other hand the majority of Minato attacks requires him to be in range of Itachi. Which would end badly.
heroeking
09-03-2011, 01:26 PM
Minato took the raikage by surprise once of the fastest characters in the naruto world. Itachi will be completely taken by surprise he can't keep up with Minato.
You mean the other way around, Minato would have been dead if Raikage wouldn't have gave him time to spread kunai. Itachi very fast so Blitzing wouldn't work., Itachi would notice especially with his sharingan and then instant genjutsu.
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