Kimimaro vs. Gaara

[Toad Master]

Who would win, if Kimimaru was not sick and was live in the current Manga?

How much Stronger do you think Kimimaru would have gotta?

[sage mangekyo]

Kimi would pwn against Gaara.

[FierceNightmare]

You made this thread twice???

[Toad Master]

You made this thread twice???

No I didn't, this is the first time i've made a gaara related thread.

[FierceNightmare]

Oh my mistake I thought were it said Sasori I thought it said Gaara.:lol:

[trofet]

Are you referring to current Kazekage Gaara?

If so he would destory Kimmi.

[sage mangekyo]

Oh, I didnt think about kaze gaara. In that cane, he would pwn kimi all tha way.

[Toad Master]

Are you referring to current Kazekage Gaara?

If so he would destory Kimmi.

How would he destory kimimaru?

his sand has already been proven to have no effect on Kimimaru.
and I stated how much stronger do you think Kimimaru would have gotta.

[Kori]

Current Gaara would own, but during the time while kimi was still alive, gaara would lose.

[sage mangekyo]

Gaara's got a beast defence, in which kimi only has attack. Gaara has kimi beat in power and defence.

[FierceNightmare]

How would he destory kimimaru?

his sand has already been proven to have no effect on Kimimaru.
and I stated how much stronger do you think Kimimaru would have gotta.

If Gaara's sand had no effect on Kimimaru, then how did Gaara defeat Kimimaru?

[Toad Master]

If Gaara's sand had no effect on Kimimaru, then how did Gaara defeat Kimimaru?

Gaara never defeat him.

Kimimaru die of sickness.

[Tourune]

Kimi broke out of Gaara's sand once he'll do it again

[FierceNightmare]

Gaara never defeat him.

Kimimaru die of sickness.

You still had to admit the sand had a little something to do with the sickness.

[FierceNightmare]

Besides Kimimaru was in his transformed state:Kekkei Genkai. So what do you expect.

[Toad Master]

You still had to admit the sand had a little something to do with the sickness.


I dont have to admit that because it didn't have anything to do with the sickness he died from, because he was dieing before he even start the fight.

[FierceNightmare]

I dont have to admit that because it didn't have anything to do with the sickness he died from, because he was dieing before he even start the fight.

Yeah because he was in Kekkai Genkai.

[Toad Master]

Besides Kimimaru was in his transformed state:Kekkei Genkai. So what do you expect.

He tank the sand without CS, then he went CS1 and Gaara buried him and he went CS2 and Gaara could hurt him at all.

[Toad Master]

Yeah because he was in Kekkai Genkai.

He always has his Kekkai Genkai, it apart of him.

[FierceNightmare]

He still died.

Don't say sickness either I know that.

[FierceNightmare]

He always has his Kekkai Genkai, it apart of him.

When Kimimaru was fighting Drunk Lee, he wasn't in Kekkai Genkai. Yeah Kimimaru had Kekkai Genkai, but he didn't use it until he fought Gaara.

[Toad Master]

When Kimimaru was fighting Drunk Lee, he wasn't in Kekkai Genkai. Yeah Kimimaru had Kekkai Genkai, but he didn't use it until he fought Gaara.

When he fought lee, he did use his KG, what did you think the bone's coming from Kimimaru's chest was?

He also used it against Naruto before he even fought Lee.

[FierceNightmare]

When he fought lee, he did use his KG, what did you think the bone's coming from Kimimaru's chest was?

He also used it against Naruto before he even fought Lee.

That was apart of his jutsu. And thats how his body was made. Even if he did use Kekkei Genkai, he only used like half of it. Besides I still don't count that a Kekkeai Genkai because he wasn't transformed. He wasn't using his true power when Naruto and Lee.

[Daybreak]

Who would win, if Kimimaru was not sick and was live in the current Manga?

Powerscaling, we have no idea how strong kimi would have been if he wasn't sick, so it is unfair to assume that he would get stronger, because he does not have any feats to prove it. And if he was still alive in the current manga we still wouldn't be able to assume he is stronger, everyone has different learning curves and progression rates, so no accurate assumptions can be made as for powerscaling kimi.

How much Stronger do you think Kimimaru would have gotta?

Kazekage Gaara wins. He uses his sand globe and goes high in the air where kimi has no chance of killing him. After that it's only a matter of time until kimi either runs out of chalkra or gets killed by the sand. Gaara has more sand now than he used to, and its much stronger than it was in part one, so it should be able to either kill kimi, or at least hold him under long enough for him to suffocate.

[FierceNightmare]

Kazekage Gaara wins. He uses his sand globe and goes high in the air where kimi has no chance of killing him. After that it's only a matter of time until kimi either runs out of chalkra or gets killed by the sand. Gaara has more sand now than he used to, and its much stronger than it was in part one, so it should be able to either kill kimi, or at least hold him under long enough for him to suffocate.

Exactly.

[Akatsuki Tsunade]

im giving this one to garra reason all ready said.. HOWEVER i have a question that last move kimm used i think it was called breaken dance ... so n e ways when he uses that move he can only use it once right?!?! after he useses it he dies right???

[Kazumi Saitama]

Kimimaro would win this battle. When Kimimaro and Gaara first fought, Gaara was not looking too good and Kimimaro was sick from TB [assuming]. Gaara's sand proved to be no match against Kimimaro's Kekkei Genkai. If Kimimaro was still alive, he would no doubtingly be even stronger.

[Yellow Flash]

Kimimaro would win this battle. When Kimimaro and Gaara first fought, Gaara was not looking too good and Kimimaro was sick from TB [assuming]. Gaara's sand proved to be no match against Kimimaro's Kekkei Genkai. If Kimimaro was still alive, he would no doubtingly be even stronger.
Gaara was actually wasn't even threatened until the end, which ended with Kimi dying. Gaara has improved tremendously, being able to block a Lariat from Raikage is an amazing feat. You can't assume things about how strong Kimimaro would be with his sickness because hes never shown any feats without sickness besides killing some fodder Hidden Mist ninja and suppressing Jugo. We don't even know if his sickness affected how well he performed in battle, only that it limited his time he would live.

[FierceNightmare]

Kimimaro would win this battle. When Kimimaro and Gaara first fought, Gaara was not looking too good and Kimimaro was sick from TB [assuming]. Gaara's sand proved to be no match against Kimimaro's Kekkei Genkai. If Kimimaro was still alive, he would no doubtingly be even stronger.

Read what Daybreak posted.

Gaara's sand is much stronger now. And if you didn't forget, Gaara is a Jinchuuriki.

[Yellow Flash]

Read what Daybreak posted.

Gaara's sand is much stronger now. And if you didn't forget, Gaara is a Jinchuuriki.
Not anymore, remember? He got it extracted by the Akatsuki within, like, the first 5 episodes of Shipuuden.

[FierceNightmare]

Not anymore, remember? He got it extracted by the Akatsuki within, like, the first 5 episodes of Shipuuden.

The Akatsuki is stronger than Kimimaru.

[Yellow Flash]

The Akatsuki is stronger than Kimimaru.
I know that, I was simply stating the Gaara was no longer a Jinchuruuki.

[FierceNightmare]

I know that, I was simply stating the Gaara was no longer a Jinchuruuki.

Yeah but Gaara has power so he don't have to depend on his jinchuuriki now.

[Yellow Flash]

Yeah but Gaara has power so he don't have to depend on his jinchuuriki now.
I never said he did depend on it I simply stated that he was no longer a Jinchuruuki, jeez....

[FierceNightmare]

I never said he did depend on it I simply stated that he was no longer a Jinchuruuki, jeez....

I never said you did say Gaara had to depend on his power.

[Kazumi Saitama]

Gaara was actually wasn't even threatened until the end, which ended with Kimi dying. Gaara has improved tremendously, being able to block a Lariat from Raikage is an amazing feat. You can't assume things about how strong Kimimaro would be with his sickness because hes never shown any feats without sickness besides killing some fodder Hidden Mist ninja and suppressing Jugo. We don't even know if his sickness affected how well he performed in battle, only that it limited his time he would live.

I know that Gaara has gotten stronger, but Kimimaro would have gotten stronger if he was alive too. The creator of this thread stated, if Kimimaro was still alive without his disease. I never stated Gaara was a weak opponent because that would be underestimating him, but Kimimaro's bones are as strong as steel. Do you know how strong steel is? One of the strongest metals on this planet. And yes, you can assume how his fighting skills would be effected, due to his illness. Though it was never stated in the anime or manga, it is presumed that Kimimaro had Tuberculosis. If you look up the damage the mycobacteria does to the human body, you would think otherwise. As I stated in a earlier debate, people will and can assume certain situations in battles.

Read what Daybreak posted.

Gaara's sand is much stronger now. And if you didn't forget, Gaara is a Jinchuuriki.

Gaara's Bijuu was extracted by the Akatsuki.

[FierceNightmare]

I know that Gaara has gotten stronger, but Kimimaro would have gotten stronger if he was alive too. The creator of this thread stated, if Kimimaro was still alive without his disease. I never stated Gaara was a weak opponent because that would be underestimating him, but Kimimaro's bones are as strong as steel. Do you know how strong steel is? One of the strongest metals on this planet. And yes, you can assume how his fighting skills would be effected, due to his illness. Though it was never stated in the anime or manga, it is presumed that Kimimaro had Tuberculosis. If you look up the damage the mycobacteria does to the human body, you would think otherwise. As I stated in a earlier debate, people will and can assume certain situations in battles.



Gaara's Bijuu was extracted by the Akatsuki.

The Akatsuki used Sealing Jutsu:Nine Phantom Dragons.

[Yellow Flash]

I know that Gaara has gotten stronger, but Kimimaro would have gotten stronger if he was alive too. The creator of this thread stated, if Kimimaro was still alive without his disease. I never stated Gaara was a weak opponent because that would be underestimating him, but Kimimaro's bones are as strong as steel. Do you know how strong steel is? One of the strongest metals on this planet. And yes, you can assume how his fighting skills would be effected, due to his illness. Though it was never stated in the anime or manga, it is presumed that Kimimaro had Tuberculosis. If you look up the damage the mycobacteria does to the human body, you would think otherwise. As I stated in a earlier debate, people will and can assume certain situations in battles.



Gaara's Bijuu was extracted by the Akatsuki.
He hasn't given any feats without his disease, you absolutely can't assume when not feats, meaning facts, have been shown.

[Kazumi Saitama]

He hasn't given any feats without his disease, you absolutely can't assume when not feats, meaning facts, have been shown.

That is completely and utterly false. You can not judge a battle on feats alone. 321zigzag1 and I have already gone over this and even he agrees. Yes, feats can be used sometimes to speculate the outcome of a battle. But, common sense and good judgement must also be used. Gaara has shown more feats than Kimimaro because Gaara has been around longer than Kimimaro. Therefore, if Kimimaro was still alive, wouldn't his feats be unknown because we have not seen him reappear? That is when common sense and good judgement come into play. Based off the information we have gathered from Gaara's and Kimimaro prior battle, Kimimaro was unharmed by any of Gaara's attacks. So, it is safe to assume that, if Kimimaro progressed at the same level as Gaara, his attacks would still have minor effects on Kimimaro. Mainly, due to his Kekkei Genkai. Personally, I think it would be close to a draw because Gaara can float and his ultimate defense is just that, ultimate but Kimimaro also has great defenses and his speed is remarkable. Gaara's attacks take a lot of chakra, so he could only float in the air for so long. Kimimaro could probably dodge his sand and if some caught him, he could use his bones to break free. Gaara isn't going to use his ultimate defense, that will be the sand he uses to form that sphere. Eventually, Gaara will run out of chakra and have to receded down. And since the creator did not mention what state they would be in, Kimimaro would automatically transform. The only hope Gaara would have at this point is to use his ultimate defense, which I doubt could withstand Dance of the Seedling Fern for too long. Kimimaro could even use this attack earlier if he wants. According to the anime, Dance of the Seedling Fern can reach extreme heights.

[Sephiroth]

I would like to point at something....When these two fought before....Kimi was taking the upper hand on garra before he died...but we have to look adn tink of it this way....Garra never Transformed so if Garra would of changed against him who really would have won with teh sickness or not.

[Kazumi Saitama]

Gaara wouldn't be able to transform due to the Bijuu being extracted from him by the Akatsuki.

[Sephiroth]

Gaara wouldn't be able to transform due to the Bijuu being extracted from him by the Akatsuki.
lol not back then when they first fought

[Daybreak]

That is completely and utterly false. You can not judge a battle on feats alone. 321zigzag1 and I have already gone over this and even he agrees. Yes, feats can be used sometimes to speculate the outcome of a battle. But, common sense and good judgement must also be used. Gaara has shown more feats than Kimimaro because Gaara has been around longer than Kimimaro. Therefore, if Kimimaro was still alive, wouldn't his feats be unknown because we have not seen him reappear? That is when common sense and good judgement come into play. Based off the information we have gathered from Gaara's and Kimimaro prior battle, Kimimaro was unharmed by any of Gaara's attacks. So, it is safe to assume that, if Kimimaro progressed at the same level as Gaara, his attacks would still have minor effects on Kimimaro. Mainly, due to his Kekkei Genkai. Personally, I think it would be close to a draw because Gaara can float and his ultimate defense is just that, ultimate but Kimimaro also has great defenses and his speed is remarkable. Gaara's attacks take a lot of chakra, so he could only float in the air for so long. Kimimaro could probably dodge his sand and if some caught him, he could use his bones to break free. Gaara isn't going to use his ultimate defense, that will be the sand he uses to form that sphere. Eventually, Gaara will run out of chakra and have to receded down. And since the creator did not mention what state they would be in, Kimimaro would automatically transform. The only hope Gaara would have at this point is to use his ultimate defense, which I doubt could withstand Dance of the Seedling Fern for too long. Kimimaro could even use this attack earlier if he wants. According to the anime, Dance of the Seedling Fern can reach extreme heights.

What you said about using good judgement is true, however it still isn't accurate enough. Just because kimi could withstand gaara's sand in part one doesn't mean he would be able to withstand it in part two. There are too many possible variables invoved. Think of it like this, just because two kids are equal football players in six grade doesnt mean they will be equal football players in the ninth grade. Things change, so to assume they wouldn't is unfair.

And gaara wouldn't run out of chalkra, its not like he has to continously attack kimi or anything, he would conserve his chalkra just like anyone else would.

So what this battle comes down to in my mind is that gaara has new feats that show his sand is much faster and stronger than it used to be, as well as the ability to control HUGE amounts of sand at a time. Whereas kimi doesnt have any new feats.

I'm not saying your post is wrong, because it is possible that kimi's growth rate would be equal to gaara's, just that it's too hard to determine what difference it would make, as kimi doesn't have the feats to back up any said powerscaling.

[Kazumi Saitama]

What you said about using good judgement is true, however it still isn't accurate enough. Just because kimi could withstand gaara's sand in part one doesn't mean he would be able to withstand it in part two. There are too many possible variables invoved. Think of it like this, just because two kids are equal football players in six grade doesnt mean they will be equal football players in the ninth grade. Things change, so to assume they wouldn't is unfair.

And gaara wouldn't run out of chalkra, its not like he has to continously attack kimi or anything, he would conserve his chalkra just like anyone else would.

So what this battle comes down to in my mind is that gaara has new feats that show his sand is much faster and stronger than it used to be, as well as the ability to control HUGE amounts of sand at a time. Whereas kimi doesnt have any new feats.

I'm not saying your post is wrong, because it is possible that kimi's growth rate would be equal to gaara's, just that it's too hard to determine what difference it would make, as kimi doesn't have the feats to back up any said powerscaling.

Ah, I see your point.

[Akatsuki Tsunade]

OK no one answerd my question... is breakon dance (or whatever its called) the last jutsu kimm used agnist garra... Can that only be used once?!?! is that like his trump card???? some please answer cuz now i really want to know

[321zigzag1]

The reason Kimimaro used it once because he died of his illness right after.

Its his best move. So it is a trump card.

[FierceNightmare]

OK no one answerd my question... is breakon dance (or whatever its called) the last jutsu kimm used agnist garra... Can that only be used once?!?! is that like his trump card???? some please answer cuz now i really want to know

I don't think he ever used this on Gaara, I think he used it on Drunk Lee.

[Akatsuki Tsunade]

The reason Kimimaro used it once because he died of his illness right after.

Its his best move. So it is a trump card.


yeah i know he did die because his illness.. BUT you saying that last move doesnt kill him even if u wasnt sick right. so he could use that and still live to fight another day

[321zigzag1]

yeah i know he did die because his illness.. BUT you saying that last move doesnt kill him even if u wasnt sick right. so he could use that and still live to fight another day

Obviously since Healthy Kimimaro is healthy.

[Yellow Flash]

yeah i know he did die because his illness.. BUT you saying that last move doesnt kill him even if u wasnt sick right. so he could use that and still live to fight another day
Most likely, but it probably drains him of strength and immobilizes him for awhile.

[sasori lord]

its simple gaara would kill kimi if gaara was evil and used shikaku kimi couldnt even hit gaara but then garra became good and never used shikaku same with fight against deidara is gaara didnt care about the village deidara would get pwned so if kimi were alive and gaara is like he is as kazekage and kimi trained more than kimi would win plus also it depends if gaara is in the middle of the desert or in the same place they fought at first but if they were at the place they first fought kimi would win but if their in the desert well then gaara wins

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

The current Gaara would win this one. His speed and strength has gone up tremendously as it was able to both block Raikage's full powered guillotine drop, Sasuke's blaze release, and be quick enough to stop Amaterasu. If Kimimaro steadily grows like any talented shinobi would, I don't see how he would be faster than Raikage in his lightning armor plus gravity. Gaara could simply stay in the air and attack from there.

[JCTKNE4E]

I don't see how Kimi wins this. Most of his attacks are closer range, and the ones that aren't could be easily blocked by sand. Furthermore, I doubt, no matter how much he's progressed, that he could learn to fly. So Gaara can attack from out of range of Kimi's attacks until he is dead.

To the user who said Kimi wasn't using the fullest of his Kekkei Genkai, of course he was. So what if he wasn't transformed, that's not a part of his KG. That is his curse mark transformation, which is a completely seperate entity. If he relied on this again, then he'd be screwed, IMO. CMS1 & 2 don't last long, and completely drain the user. So after kimi fails to reach Gaara in sand globe using even his KG + CM staqes, he reverts, suffers from massive chakra and stamina loss, and is made fodder to Gaara's sand. And by that time, Gaara will have transformed the entire landscape into sand to use.

Gaara wins, whether kimi is healthy or not.

[FierceNightmare]

I don't see how Kimi wins this. Most of his attacks are closer range, and the ones that aren't could be easily blocked by sand. Furthermore, I doubt, no matter how much he's progressed, that he could learn to fly. So Gaara can attack from out of range of Kimi's attacks until he is dead.

To the user who said Kimi wasn't using the fullest of his Kekkei Genkai, of course he was. So what if he wasn't transformed, that's not a part of his KG. That is his curse mark transformation, which is a completely seperate entity. If he relied on this again, then he'd be screwed, IMO. CMS1 & 2 don't last long, and completely drain the user. So after kimi fails to reach Gaara in sand globe using even his KG + CM staqes, he reverts, suffers from massive chakra and stamina loss, and is made fodder to Gaara's sand. And by that time, Gaara will have transformed the entire landscape into sand to use.

Gaara wins, whether kimi is healthy or not.

Yeah Gaara's sand reached new levels. It's much strongern than before.

[sasori lord]

yea but since kimi has been dead for like 3 years he could learn more plus its simple kimi knows the braken dance or watever where he makes a bunch of sharp weapons stick out of the ground but gaara did have to protect lee so yea gaara would win

[FierceNightmare]

yea but since kimi has been dead for like 3 years he could learn more plus its simple kimi knows the braken dance or watever where he makes a bunch of sharp weapons stick out of the ground but gaara did have to protect lee so yea gaara would win

Gaara has Ultimate Guard so the bones won't do anything because Gaara use his sand to block it.

[Mangekyou Sasuke]

I really dont know what to answer! Gaara has long range while Kimi has close range. Gaara has gotten better in controlling the sand and its power, but we dont no how strong Kimi would've gotten. Ex. What if he created a long range jutsu with super high density. Right now i will say Garra, because of his defense and everything.

[Blind Uchiha]

Gaara can use Sand Sphere to stay well out of Bracken Dance's range. Shukaku arm and Sand Prison should cause Kimimaro some trouble. Starting range would also be an important factor in this fight.

[Nyruss]

Bracken Dance is an abomination. Dance of the Seedling Fern, you heretics.

[Toad Master]

Gaara can use Sand Sphere to stay well out of Bracken Dance's range. Shukaku arm and Sand Prison should cause Kimimaro some trouble. Starting range would also be an important factor in this fight.

I said current Gaara with Kimimaru have an Power-up of the same time frame.

[JCTKNE4E]

Which is a very vague term to debate upon. He could have increased his speed, power, close range combat, long range, none, or some combination. But it's only vague speculation. Regardless, I could only assume that given his shown abilities and kekkei genkai, he'd never be able to fly or develop a jutsu of such a long range as to reach gaara in mid air, should he float in his sand globe.

Leaving gaara plenty of time to set up sand tsunami. Kimi tanked it once, but barely. If I remember correctly, he said he felt himself dying. He couldn't take it too many times before

*kaput

[Phoenix Wright]

Wait who's Kimimaru? *Facepalm*

It's Kimimaro. I can't stand people saying Kimimaru. It's wrong. Saying something wrong makes you look like an idiot regardless of what other people think. No name calling, I'm not flaming. Yet.

Gaara should stomp setting off-topic related chat aside. I still haven't read the rest of the thread so only when someone quotes my post shall I debate.