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The Anbu's Fiery Rose
06-07-2009, 02:07 PM
Honestly, I would think the Nara clan would win because of their tie with medicine and especially, Shikamaru. His strategies would probably be the end right there, but what if you didn't include Shikamaru and his dad or Ino and her father? Just a battle between Nara and Yamanaka.

Nara clan has Possession jutsu and medicine...
Yamanaka clan has...Well, flowers and mind manipulation.

Any ideas who would win? I honestly have no idea because basically, it seems it would be down to basic techniques. Possession jutsu and mind manipulation basically render the user helpless so...Wow, that would be a long, drawn-out fight. :(

EDIT: I take that back. I remember Shikamaru being able to strangle opponents and other such things as that. I assume the other Nara clan members, or at least some of them, have these techniques. I don't remember if Yamanaka clan are able to do much else though.

Kuromaki
06-08-2009, 05:42 PM
The Nara clan could win with Shika and his dad's planning abilities. Or the Yamanakas could do some wacky stuff with mind manipulation and poisonous flowers, we haven't seen them do a lot yet so I don't know how many good jutsu they have. It would probably be a tie from what Kishi has shown about the two clans in the manga.

The Anbu's Fiery Rose
06-09-2009, 05:49 AM
The Nara clan could win with Shika and his dad's planning abilities. Or the Yamanakas could do some wacky stuff with mind manipulation and poisonous flowers, we haven't seen them do a lot yet so I don't know how many good jutsu they have. It would probably be a tie from what Kishi has shown about the two clans in the manga.

Yeah, I wish they would especially show more about those two clans. All we ever hear about is Uchiha, Uchiha, Uchiha lol. That doesn't bother me really though since Uchiha is one of my favorite clans. But still, Kishimoto needs to focus on other clans once in a while and give a bit of history on them so fans who like those clan members can get more out of the manga.

Nick Tasogare
06-09-2009, 05:55 AM
well, i would say the nara's because the yamanaka need a target that isnt moving to hit them with their mind transfer, but with mind destruction, you dont, besides, the nara clan has more techniques, they have like 6 techniques to do with shadows (probably more but i cant remember them) and yamanaka has 1 mind technique that is used to fight, 1 that is used to spy, several to read minds when the enemy is incapacitated, and then the rest are flowers that they throw and such, which could be beaten with a simple possesion jutsu and kunai to the face

The Anbu's Fiery Rose
06-09-2009, 01:01 PM
well, i would say the nara's because the yamanaka need a target that isnt moving to hit them with their mind transfer, but with mind destruction, you dont, besides, the nara clan has more techniques, they have like 6 techniques to do with shadows (probably more but i cant remember them) and yamanaka has 1 mind technique that is used to fight, 1 that is used to spy, several to read minds when the enemy is incapacitated, and then the rest are flowers that they throw and such, which could be beaten with a simple possesion jutsu and kunai to the face

"...beaten with a simple possession jutsu and a kunai to the face" That sentence made me laugh so hard. XD Fricken hilarious. Yeah, and even if the Nara clan didn't have Shikamaru or his dad, they still had a fairly good chance of winning. The shadow possession jutsus they possess are definitely more effective in damage when compared to the Yamanaka's mind techniques. The battle might be unfair technique-wise as well as healing-wise since the Nara clan has those medical resources. As far as we know, the Yamanka clan really has nothing to heal them or protect them. Yamanaka clan isn't really for fighting, more for interrogation and spying. Nara clan could definitely hold up a pretty good fight.

We saw this when Shikamaru went up against Hidan. But when Ino went up against Kakuzu, there wasn't much she could really do...

kakashi842
06-09-2009, 01:03 PM
remember ino's dad has a jutsu that he can read peoples mind and also we really dont know what kind of jutsu's they have

Kisame
06-09-2009, 01:07 PM
Probably the Nara clan.

Shikamaru and his Dad have been shown to be extremely smart. From that we could assume the other clan members have above average intellegence. Ino's clan hasn't shown to be all that powerful. Ino was useless in pretty much all fight. Her dad who appears to be the strongest is overashadowed by Shikamaru's dad, Shikaku. Shikaku was in the voting for the new Kage so he's probably stronger then other jonin. I'd say Nara but it's hard to tell with the clan's lack of screen time.

Life AKA Death
06-09-2009, 01:09 PM
tie..

The Anbu's Fiery Rose
06-09-2009, 01:43 PM
Probably the Nara clan.

Shikamaru and his Dad have been shown to be extremely smart. From that we could assume the other clan members have above average intellegence. Ino's clan hasn't shown to be all that powerful. Ino was useless in pretty much all fight. Her dad who appears to be the strongest is overashadowed by Shikamaru's dad, Shikaku. Shikaku was in the voting for the new Kage so he's probably stronger then other jonin. I'd say Nara but it's hard to tell with the clan's lack of screen time.

Lack of screen time always makes it so these hypothetical battles are made just short of somewhat real.

But I'm starting to agree with the idea that the Nara clan would win. We can definitely tell that Shikaku is greatly respected amongst his fellow jounin and higher ranked shinobi since he was allowed to vote for the 6th Kage. I don't even believe Ino's father was present at that meeting. If Shikaku was at this meeting, then that must mean the Nara clan has more power when it comes to the political situations than the Yamanaka clan. I don't know if that's just because of intelligence, power, or what though. Quite honestly, I didn't think he'd be there, but of course, Kishimoto loves to put in those little twists into the story. That's definitely keeping reader's on their toes. :cool:

Konoha'sGreenThunder
06-09-2009, 01:45 PM
Probably the Nara clan.

Shikamaru and his Dad have been shown to be extremely smart. From that we could assume the other clan members have above average intellegence. Ino's clan hasn't shown to be all that powerful. Ino was useless in pretty much all fight. Her dad who appears to be the strongest is overashadowed by Shikamaru's dad, Shikaku. Shikaku was in the voting for the new Kage so he's probably stronger then other jonin. I'd say Nara but it's hard to tell with the clan's lack of screen time.

Agreed.



I wondered why Kakashi wasn't at the meeting..

Kisame
06-09-2009, 01:51 PM
Agreed.



I wondered why Kakashi wasn't at the meeting..


Wasn't he busy bringing Naruto back to the village while the meeting was taking place?

Konoha'sGreenThunder
06-09-2009, 01:52 PM
Wasn't he busy bringing Naruto back to the village while the meeting was taking place?

Well, I thought they'd gotten back by then because wasn't everyone greeting Naruto while someone came and got Shikaku for the meeting? Hm.

Kisame
06-09-2009, 01:56 PM
Well, I thought they'd gotten back by then because wasn't everyone greeting Naruto while someone came and got Shikaku for the meeting? Hm.


Oh yeah, now I remember that did happen. Who knows, maybe they wanted Kakashi to stay with Naruto or he doesn't usually participate in those kinds of meetings.

The Anbu's Fiery Rose
06-09-2009, 02:02 PM
Oh yeah, now I remember that did happen. Who knows, maybe they wanted Kakashi to stay with Naruto or he doesn't usually participate in those kinds of meetings.

I just wonder if Kakashi would rather avoid those kind of meetings. Do you think he knew he was a possibility for Hokage?

Oh, and who do you think is more respected -- Kakashi or Shikaku? Honestly, I would think Kakashi, but that's just because he was a choice for Hokage. Not to mention he was the "Great White Fang's" (I hope that's the correct title for his dad) son and was a student of the 4th Hokage.

Konoha'sGreenThunder
06-09-2009, 02:05 PM
Honestly, I'd say Kakashi because about everyone he fights seems to know who he is. Although, I can't be sure, because we've seen Shikaku in what, one fight? Even that was just a small clip of him killing some sound ninja. (I don't remember seeing him in any others.) Anyway, I'm saying I don't think Shikaku has enough screen time for us to really tell, but it's probably Kakashi.

Kisame
06-09-2009, 02:06 PM
I just wonder if Kakashi would rather avoid those kind of meetings. Do you think he knew he was a possibility for Hokage?

Oh, and who do you think is more respected -- Kakashi or Shikaku? Honestly, I would think Kakashi, but that's just because he was a choice for Hokage. Not to mention he was the "Great White Fang's" (I hope that's the correct title for his dad) son and was a student of the 4th Hokage.


Kakashi does seem like the type to not like to go to those serious meetings and I guess he at least suspected it. Besides Tsunade he seems to be the 3rd strongest person in the village and is famous in other villages, so he'd get taken seriously.

Probably Kakashi. He's the son of someone said to be the equal of the sanin, student of one of the most powerful Hokages, and his name is in everyone bingo book, or at least I recall Zabuza saying something like that. Plus evey person who's fought him knew his name and even Pain was honored to fight him.

The Anbu's Fiery Rose
06-09-2009, 02:25 PM
Kakashi does seem like the type to not like to go to those serious meetings and I guess he at least suspected it. Besides Tsunade he seems to be the 3rd strongest person in the village and is famous in other villages, so he'd get taken seriously.

Probably Kakashi. He's the son of someone said to be the equal of the sanin, student of one of the most powerful Hokages, and his name is in everyone bingo book, or at least I recall Zabuza saying something like that. Plus evey person who's fought him knew his name and even Pain was honored to fight him.

I don't believe it's just Kakashi's desire to avoid meetings. I think it was more of wanting to see his students, especially Naruto. He probably wanted to make sure they were still alive and well after the battle. To Kakashi, it seems, his students are far more important than the position of Hokage. But due to Kakashi's intelligence, you can probably guess that he knew his name would be entered into that vote. He doesn't seem like someone who would want that position anyhow. I think he would prefer Naruto to have it when he's mature enough since Kakashi seems to believe in Naruto's dream as well.

Wow, with all that said, it makes Shikaku look not as respected at all, really. The only thing that I remember anyone ever mentioning about him is Tsunade, who commented about their great resources for medical supplies. Other than that, I've heard nothing but about the generation trio: InoShikaCho. Compared to Kakashi's record, it seems almost insignificant. Of course, we know it's not because every character in Naruto plays some part, no matter how small.

Obviously, Kishimoto's purpose for Shikaku was to show that more people trust Kakashi than Danzou. (Other than that, to teach Shikamaru the clan's techniques and share fatherly wisdom.) We all know that Danzou is planning something, heck, it's obvious. But because of Danzou's persuasion skills, it didn't really matter what Shikaku said, did it? :???:

Kisame
06-09-2009, 02:39 PM
I don't believe it's just Kakashi's desire to avoid meetings. I think it was more of wanting to see his students, especially Naruto. He probably wanted to make sure they were still alive and well after the battle. To Kakashi, it seems, his students are far more important than the position of Hokage. But due to Kakashi's intelligence, you can probably guess that he knew his name would be entered into that vote. He doesn't seem like someone who would want that position anyhow. I think he would prefer Naruto to have it when he's mature enough since Kakashi seems to believe in Naruto's dream as well.

Wow, with all that said, it makes Shikaku look not as respected at all, really. The only thing that I remember anyone ever mentioning about him is Tsunade, who commented about their great resources for medical supplies. Other than that, I've heard nothing but about the generation trio: InoShikaCho. Compared to Kakashi's record, it seems almost insignificant. Of course, we know it's not because every character in Naruto plays some part, no matter how small.

Obviously, Kishimoto's purpose for Shikaku was to show that more people trust Kakashi than Danzou. (Other than that, to teach Shikamaru the clan's techniques and share fatherly wisdom.) We all know that Danzou is planning something, heck, it's obvious. But because of Danzou's persuasion skills, it didn't really matter what Shikaku said, did it? :???:



Yeah, his students seem a lot more precious to him then titles, but it did seem strange he wasn't there. They should've beed fine due to Nagato's Gedou Rinne Tensei. There's always the option he wasn't there due to plot purposes since it seems he could've stopped Danzou from becoming Hokage, but the him wanting to be with his students seems like the most viable option right now, maybe it will be elaborated upon during later chapters.

Well Kakashi makes a lot of characters look as respected due to his huge accomplishments, but it's also due to Shikaku and many characters not having as much screen time. If he was given more he'd probably seem a lot more respectable.

Yeah that does seem like Shikaku's role along with making Danzou's take over not seem as simple. Shikaku also seems to have been chosen for that role since Kishi's favorite character is Shikamaru, so he'd probably use his dad. Maybe Shikaku will make an objection next chapter, for him not too would make it seem rushed writing.

The Anbu's Fiery Rose
06-09-2009, 03:09 PM
Yeah, his students seem a lot more precious to him then titles, but it did seem strange he wasn't there. They should've beed fine due to Nagato's Gedou Rinne Tensei. There's always the option he wasn't there due to plot purposes since it seems he could've stopped Danzou from becoming Hokage, but the him wanting to be with his students seems like the most viable option right now, maybe it will be elaborated upon during later chapters.

Well Kakashi makes a lot of characters look as respected due to his huge accomplishments, but it's also due to Shikaku and many characters not having as much screen time. If he was given more he'd probably seem a lot more respectable.

Yeah that does seem like Shikaku's role along with making Danzou's take over not seem as simple. Shikaku also seems to have been chosen for that role since Kishi's favorite character is Shikamaru, so he'd probably use his dad. Maybe Shikaku will make an objection next chapter, for him not too would make it seem rushed writing.

I should hope so that it will be elaborated in later chapters. It wouldn't make as much sense otherwise. It would also probably reveal Kakashi's thoughts or perhaps, something he had planned for the purpose of the Hokage vote. I'm sure he has something planned. It isn't like Kakashi to move forward without one, even with his students importance still being the greater option. I'm starting to think he has a great idea of what is going on, but he might want to stay on the down-low for the purpose of another plot twist or revealing Danzou's future plans.

Yeah, screen time definitely shows the character's personalities and accomplishments more than anything else, I would think. However, I also think Shikaku would support Kakashi not just because he is greatly respected. Probably because they have similiar ideals or beliefs, maybe even were something along the lines of "friends". That may be going a bit too far, but it's still a possibility too.

Well, Kishimoto seems to know how to rush chapters these days. It explains chapter 449 and 450. By then, though, I had expected the battles and arguments to be shorter. I'm sure when it's animated though it will seem longer. I didn't know that Shikamaru was Kishi's favorite character, but I'm sure his dad then is somewhere in his top favorite's list. Shikaku has great purpose, no doubt. I would like to see more of him since he has a complex character since he seems to know more than he lets on. I'm sure he knows what he's doing. I would hope he would object more, but it seems that the title problem has been sewn up fairly decently. Danzou would have none of it, I'm sure.

Wow, this is a great discussion. :)

Kisame
06-09-2009, 03:27 PM
I should hope so that it will be elaborated in later chapters. It wouldn't make as much sense otherwise. It would also probably reveal Kakashi's thoughts or perhaps, something he had planned for the purpose of the Hokage vote. I'm sure he has something planned. It isn't like Kakashi to move forward without one, even with his students importance still being the greater option. I'm starting to think he has a great idea of what is going on, but he might want to stay on the down-low for the purpose of another plot twist or revealing Danzou's future plans.

Yeah, screen time definitely shows the character's personalities and accomplishments more than anything else, I would think. However, I also think Shikaku would support Kakashi not just because he is greatly respected. Probably because they have similiar ideals or beliefs, maybe even were something along the lines of "friends". That may be going a bit too far, but it's still a possibility too.

Well, Kishimoto seems to know how to rush chapters these days. It explains chapter 449 and 450. By then, though, I had expected the battles and arguments to be shorter. I'm sure when it's animated though it will seem longer. I didn't know that Shikamaru was Kishi's favorite character, but I'm sure his dad then is somewhere in his top favorite's list. Shikaku has great purpose, no doubt. I would like to see more of him since he has a complex character since he seems to know more than he lets on. I'm sure he knows what he's doing. I would hope he would object more, but it seems that the title problem has been sewn up fairly decently. Danzou would have none of it, I'm sure.

Wow, this is a great discussion. :)


Yeah, I just hope it won't be elaborated upon like 300 chapter later like Itachi and Kisame coming to Konoha at that time even though they still couldn't capture Naruto. Yeah Kakashi isn't the type of guy who doesn't have a plan. Yamato knew od Danzou's desire to rule Konoha so Kakashi probably has his own suspisions as well. Right now he might have an idea at what he's attempting, so maybe in later chapters he'll reveal a plan to prevent it, but I think Danzou will stay Hokage anyways. Danzou becoming Hokage seems like it's been ste up, so when Sasuke comes to destroy Konoha he won't be fighting the good guys, but Danzou who's considered a bad guy which will make way for his redemption.

Them having similiar ideals seems like a given, them coming from Konha and believing in thw will of fire and all. It wouldn't be too far fetched to believe they were friends. They might have even been ANBU buddies back in the day. It was revealed Choza was one of Kakashi's ANBU teammate.

Yeah, 449 and 450 were rushed. Nagato's redemption was too sudden for a guy who spent his whole life trying to bring peace to the world. I'msure the anime will lenghten it, they like to bring in some filler scenes and they will probably want to make it more believeable. They do have a lot of possibilities for fillers in that arc, like the rookies unfinished fights. Yeah, Shikamaru is his current favorite. First it was Sasuke, then Naruto, and it's currently Shikamaru. Maybe becuase of that his dad will play a bigger role. Shikaku does seem to know more than he lets on, he even knew about Sage Mode while other people seem ignorant about it. If he does object Danzou does seem he'll have a counter argument.

Yeah, it's been a pretty good discussion.:mrgreen:

*Naruto*
06-09-2009, 03:37 PM
the nara clan would win but it would take a little time but in the end they would end up the victors

The Anbu's Fiery Rose
06-09-2009, 04:01 PM
Yeah, I just hope it won't be elaborated upon like 300 chapter later like Itachi and Kisame coming to Konoha at that time even though they still couldn't capture Naruto. Yeah Kakashi isn't the type of guy who doesn't have a plan. Yamato knew od Danzou's desire to rule Konoha so Kakashi probably has his own suspisions as well. Right now he might have an idea at what he's attempting, so maybe in later chapters he'll reveal a plan to prevent it, but I think Danzou will stay Hokage anyways. Danzou becoming Hokage seems like it's been ste up, so when Sasuke comes to destroy Konoha he won't be fighting the good guys, but Danzou who's considered a bad guy which will make way for his redemption.

Them having similiar ideals seems like a given, them coming from Konha and believing in thw will of fire and all. It wouldn't be too far fetched to believe they were friends. They might have even been ANBU buddies back in the day. It was revealed Choza was one of Kakashi's ANBU teammate.

Yeah, 449 and 450 were rushed. Nagato's redemption was too sudden for a guy who spent his whole life trying to bring peace to the world. I'msure the anime will lenghten it, they like to bring in some filler scenes and they will probably want to make it more believeable. They do have a lot of possibilities for fillers in that arc, like the rookies unfinished fights. Yeah, Shikamaru is his current favorite. First it was Sasuke, then Naruto, and it's currently Shikamaru. Maybe becuase of that his dad will play a bigger role. Shikaku does seem to know more than he lets on, he even knew about Sage Mode while other people seem ignorant about it. If he does object Danzou does seem he'll have a counter argument.

Yeah, it's been a pretty good discussion.:mrgreen:

So many redemption opportunities...I think Kishimoto is rooting for Sasuke's acceptance back into the village -- to be quite honest. I wouldn't be too sad (Heck, not sad at all, really) if Danzou was killed by Sasuke. I can't remember if Danzou had anything to do with the whole planned massacre. I just remember Itachi threatening that he would tell Konoha everything, if Danzou pushed the envelope. I'd say Kishimoto is trying to break it down and focus the story more on either Danzou and his new title or Sasuke's return.

I don't know if Kakashi would be willingly to call up another vote, even though Shikaku would probably fulfill that role and still stay in character. Shikaku seems more of the person who would call out things, even if it were to make it obvious and possibly put him in danger, just for the sake of the welfare of his village. I'm interested to see though how Danzou will change things. I wouldn't be surprised if he were to take Shikaku out if he were to actually speak up. I would honestly hope that it wouldn't happen, but we know Danzou is greedy and dangerous enough to try for it.

Ahhh...I think I forgot who Choza is...The name is familiar, but it'll probably come to mind in a moment. Kakashi definitely has a lot of allies from ANBU, which even more so strengthens his well-known respected figure. (I kind of wonder if Kakashi and Itachi ever worked together...Hmm, that'd be an interesting topic for later.) We also know that since Yamato and Kakashi have similiar ideals, then I wouldn't be too surprised if they teamed up just for the purpose of thwarting Danzou. Shikaku might be added in there...but we'll have to see, won't we?

Yes, Nagato's quick redemption sickened me a bit, but I got over it when the heartfelt reunion came in 450. Kakashi and Shizune's revivial was definitely greatly accepted by all the fans, I'm sure.

All characters play a fair role in Naruto, even if it seems fairly small. I have a good feeling about Shikaku's future role in Naruto though. He's bound to be up to countering Danzou in one of these chapters. I'm glad to see he isn't ignorant. He is Shikamaru's father, after all, which definitely shows in his son. He isn't ignorant either which makes him so intelligent just as his father. I wonder if the Nara Clan have an idea if anything is going on and the same goes for the Yamanaka Clan. Ino's dad might have an idea what's going on since he was talking to Shikaku about it earlier...

Haha, this might be needed in a different thread altogether, huh? I can't possibly imagine how this goes along with who would win between the Yamanka and Nara clan! ^.^ Maybe it should be switched to: "Who knows what Danzou's plans are -- better?: Yamanaka Clan vs Nara Clan!"

Kisame
06-09-2009, 04:25 PM
So many redemption opportunities...I think Kishimoto is rooting for Sasuke's acceptance back into the village -- to be quite honest. I wouldn't be too sad (Heck, not sad at all, really) if Danzou was killed by Sasuke. I can't remember if Danzou had anything to do with the whole planned massacre. I just remember Itachi threatening that he would tell Konoha everything, if Danzou pushed the envelope. I'd say Kishimoto is trying to break it down and focus the story more on either Danzou and his new title or Sasuke's return.

I don't know if Kakashi would be willingly to call up another vote, even though Shikaku would probably fulfill that role and still stay in character. Shikaku seems more of the person who would call out things, even if it were to make it obvious and possibly put him in danger, just for the sake of the welfare of his village. I'm interested to see though how Danzou will change things. I wouldn't be surprised if he were to take Shikaku out if he were to actually speak up. I would honestly hope that it wouldn't happen, but we know Danzou is greedy and dangerous enough to try for it.

Ahhh...I think I forgot who Choza is...The name is familiar, but it'll probably come to mind in a moment. Kakashi definitely has a lot of allies from ANBU, which even more so strengthens his well-known respected figure. (I kind of wonder if Kakashi and Itachi ever worked together...Hmm, that'd be an interesting topic for later.) We also know that since Yamato and Kakashi have similiar ideals, then I wouldn't be too surprised if they teamed up just for the purpose of thwarting Danzou. Shikaku might be added in there...but we'll have to see, won't we?

Yes, Nagato's quick redemption sickened me a bit, but I got over it when the heartfelt reunion came in 450. Kakashi and Shizune's revivial was definitely greatly accepted by all the fans, I'm sure.

All characters play a fair role in Naruto, even if it seems fairly small. I have a good feeling about Shikaku's future role in Naruto though. He's bound to be up to countering Danzou in one of these chapters. I'm glad to see he isn't ignorant. He is Shikamaru's father, after all, which definitely shows in his son. He isn't ignorant either which makes him so intelligent just as his father. I wonder if the Nara Clan have an idea if anything is going on and the same goes for the Yamanaka Clan. Ino's dad might have an idea what's going on since he was talking to Shikaku about it earlier...

Haha, this might be needed in a different thread altogether, huh? I can't possibly imagine how this goes along with who would win between the Yamanka and Nara clan! ^.^ Maybe it should be switched to: "Who knows what Danzou's plans are -- better?: Yamanaka Clan vs Nara Clan!"

Well at seems like Sasuke kill off Danzou. It'd be the perfect oppurtunity for him to get back in the good guys side. Yeah, Kishi does seem to want it. Plus, I think he said he wanted to do a happy ending in an interview, so what's be happier then the guy who the main character wants to come back from the evil side returns? If he tries to kill an Hokage who isn't Danzou he will become too tainted for redemption. Pluse, if he kills Danzou the villagers might see him in a good light again since his betrayal made them see him more as evil. I'm pretty sure he was a major part in the clan massacre, but I can't remember clearly. The next arc will most likey be about Danzou and Sasuke.

Choza is Chouji's fater and also part of the Inoshikacho trio. It was revealed in Kakashi's fight with Pain. It wouldn't be too farfecthed for Kakashi too work with Itachi, they were probably the strongest in ANBU and might've been sent to deal with the tougher missions. Yeah, there might be a coup that'll bring in other minor character like Yamato and Shikaku. It would seem strange if they just stayed there and dealt with Danzou's orders as Hokage. There is also the possibility they might leave the village and let Danzou rule his crater in peace.

I wish Nagato's redemption was more elaborated upon, it was just too quick, the only good thing that came out of it was that it took less time, but it was too quick for a man who aimed towards a world with no war ever since he was young. It was his live's ambition. I'm meh about Shizune and like Kakashi, but I wish they would've stayed dead. It just felt like Deus Ex Machina and it's kind of hard to take villains seriously when they can't do any permanent damage.

Yeah, Shikaku seems like he'll end up countering Danzou's statements and try to stop him from becoming Hokage, but he probably won't succed because of the Sasuke factor. Him knowing about Sage Mode might've also hinted he knew other things which might set him up for a bigger role in the future. Well Inoichi is one of Shikaku's closest friends, so if he was talking to him he probably at least hinted at it or something.

Yeah, we drifted way off topic with the Danzou becoming Hokage, Sasuke's return, Shikaku's role, and Kakshi's abscense things. We haven't even discussed who would be the victor in a while. That topic name does seem more accurate, maybe you should teall a mod to change the title or make this into a seperate thread since it's way off topic.

The Anbu's Fiery Rose
06-09-2009, 04:33 PM
Well at seems like Sasuke kill off Danzou. It'd be the perfect oppurtunity for him to get back in the good guys side. Yeah, Kishi does seem to want it. Plus, I think he said he wanted to do a happy ending in an interview, so what's be happier then the guy who the main character wants to come back from the evil side returns? If he tries to kill an Hokage who isn't Danzou he will become too tainted for redemption. Pluse, if he kills Danzou the villagers might see him in a good light again since his betrayal made them see him more as evil. I'm pretty sure he was a major part in the clan massacre, but I can't remember clearly. The next arc will most likey be about Danzou and Sasuke.

Choza is Chouji's fater and also part of the Inoshikacho trio. It was revealed in Kakashi's fight with Pain. It wouldn't be too farfecthed for Kakashi too work with Itachi, they were probably the strongest in ANBU and might've been sent to deal with the tougher missions. Yeah, there might be a coup that'll bring in other minor character like Yamato and Shikaku. It would seem strange if they just stayed there and dealt with Danzou's orders as Hokage. There is also the possibility they might leave the village and let Danzou rule his crater in peace.

I wish Nagato's redemption was more elaborated upon, it was just too quick, the only good thing that came out of it was that it took less time, but it was too quick for a man who aimed towards a world with no war ever since he was young. It was his live's ambition. I'm meh about Shizune and like Kakashi, but I wish they would've stayed dead. It just felt like Deus Ex Machina and it's kind of hard to take villains seriously when they can't do any permanent damage.

Yeah, Shikaku seems like he'll end up countering Danzou's statements and try to stop him from becoming Hokage, but he probably won't succed because of the Sasuke factor. Him knowing about Sage Mode might've also hinted he knew other things which might set him up for a bigger role in the future. Well Inoichi is one of Shikaku's closest friends, so if he was talking to him he probably at least hinted at it or something.

Yeah, we drifted way off topic with the Danzou becoming Hokage, Sasuke's return, Shikaku's role, and Kakshi's abscense things. We haven't even discussed who would be the victor in a while. That topic name does seem more accurate, maybe you should teall a mod to change the title or make this into a seperate thread since it's way off topic.

I'll respond to you in a new thread, I suppose. It would probably be the appropriate thing to do so others don't walk into spoilers. :???: First off, any idea what topic the new thread would be under and what it should be called? If you want to make it so it'll be faster, go right ahead. I'm not stopping you lol. Just send me the link, i guess. :p

EDIT: I might not be able to respond until tomorrow though, so I'll try to reply as soon as possible then. :)

Kisame
06-09-2009, 04:41 PM
I'll respond to you in a new thread, I suppose. It would probably be the appropriate thing to do so others don't walk into spoilers. :???: First off, any idea what topic the new thread would be under and what it should be called? If you want to make it so it'll be faster, go right ahead. I'm not stopping you lol. Just send me the link, i guess. :p

EDIT: I might not be able to respond until tomorrow though, so I'll try to reply as soon as possible then. :)


I guess the Town Bookstore and I might try to make it later.

Konoha'sGreenThunder
06-10-2009, 08:55 PM
I figured out why Shikaku was there. He's the Jonin Commander.

According to Naruto Wiki: The Jonin Commander is a position in the shinobi system of Konohagakure. As a representative of the regular shinobi forces, they are a member of the council, giving them a say in important matters such as choosing a new Hokage. They are likely the highest-ranking normal shinobi in the village, but still officially a jonin themselves. The current Jonin Commander of Konoha is Shikaku Nara.

Nick Tasogare
06-10-2009, 08:59 PM
Honestly, I'd say Kakashi because about everyone he fights seems to know who he is. Although, I can't be sure, because we've seen Shikaku in what, one fight? Even that was just a small clip of him killing some sound ninja. (I don't remember seeing him in any others.) Anyway, I'm saying I don't think Shikaku has enough screen time for us to really tell, but it's probably Kakashi.


well, theyre shadow possesion techniques are infamous, when shikamaru stopped those sound and sand nin that were chasing them while they went after gaara after the exams, they were like, oh, this is konohas shadow (cant remember what they called it) and he corrected them on the name change

ANIMELVR4EVR
06-10-2009, 10:47 PM
I think the Nara Clan would win because the Yamanaka Clan's jutstu takes time and if they miss their opponent then that would be bad for them. Plus the jutsu that Shikamaru's shown looks like it can beat Ino's even though she's not in the story a lot.

Vatanui AKA Pride
06-10-2009, 10:50 PM
I think the Nara Clan would win because the Yamanaka Clan's jutstu takes time and if they miss their opponent then that would be bad for them. Plus the jutsu that Shikamaru's shown looks like it can beat Ino's even though she's not in the story a lot.
I agree. And the Nara are geniuses: they'll be able to beat the Yamanaka Clan before they even use their jutsus!

ANIMELVR4EVR
06-10-2009, 11:02 PM
I agree. And the Nara are geniuses: they'll be able to beat the Yamanaka Clan before they even use their jutsus!

i agree! the Nara Clan kicks but!

Vatanui AKA Pride
06-11-2009, 11:22 AM
Nara Clan rules!

shadow master
06-11-2009, 01:16 PM
i agree the Nara clan would win in no time at all.

Kuromaki
06-11-2009, 03:54 PM
Geez, a lot of Nara supporters here. Going by what they've shown, they could win, but I'm sure the Yamanakas have something up their sleeves...

Airgrimes
06-18-2009, 11:19 AM
The yamanka's have flower jutsu in the video game which is really effective but we havent seen any flower jutsu in the anime or manga so i say Nara clan.
Ino is a lousy example of a kunoichi let alone represent her clan.

Fan of Minato
06-19-2009, 01:18 PM
The Nara would win not only because of Shikamaru's intellect but also because of Shikaku's elaborate thinking, Inoichi would use mind distraction, and Shikaku would jump up and use shadow possession jutsu and that would finish it.

Vatanui AKA Pride
06-19-2009, 01:19 PM
Nara wins, period.

narutorocks
06-19-2009, 01:31 PM
I say the Nara clan.

They have their awesome shadow jutsu and the Yamanaka's jutsu is already at somewhat of a disadvantage because they need non-moving targets for there mind jutsus to work.

Kuromaki
06-19-2009, 02:31 PM
I think this fight is unfair, because the Yamanakas have shown, like, 2 jutsu.

Kenshin Mizoguchi
06-20-2009, 11:56 AM
I would say the Nara clan.

But that's is strictly based on what I've seen so far through the story line.

kakashi842
06-20-2009, 12:28 PM
the nara clan stomps the yamanaka clan

jannon
06-20-2009, 12:50 PM
i think nara clan would win.

but cant ino go into someones mind and make them kill theirselves?
:|

yondaime
06-20-2009, 12:50 PM
Kakashi does seem like the type to not like to go to those serious meetings and I guess he at least suspected it. Besides Tsunade he seems to be the 3rd strongest person in the village and is famous in other villages, so he'd get taken seriously.

Probably Kakashi. He's the son of someone said to be the equal of the sanin, student of one of the most powerful Hokages, and his name is in everyone bingo book, or at least I recall Zabuza saying something like that. Plus evey person who's fought him knew his name and even Pain was honored to fight him.

i agree and i think the nara clan would win

kakashi842
06-20-2009, 12:54 PM
also the nara clan has the shadow strangle technique so i say that the nara clan would win

jannon
06-20-2009, 12:55 PM
also the nara clan has the shadow strangle technique so i say that the nara clan would win

agreed

Vatanui AKA Pride
06-20-2009, 01:06 PM
Nara wins.

The Anbu's Fiery Rose
06-21-2009, 04:13 PM
I would say the Nara clan.

But that's is strictly based on what I've seen so far through the story line.

Exactly. :| You can imagine all you want, but when it comes to what the story line shows, that's what you usually have to go off of.

For instance, Nara clan is much more involved than the Yamanaka clan (or so it would seem). That's what I've gotten out of the anime/manga. Yes, both clans are connected, but you can kind of see a difference between them. Nara clan does look like its stronger, even though Yamanaka clan might have something up their sleeve...

fire
06-21-2009, 05:01 PM
Nara clan :twisted:

Uchiha Itachi
06-26-2009, 04:44 AM
Nara obviously

Mini
06-26-2009, 04:46 AM
.Nara Of Course Shikamaru's In There.

Raiden
06-26-2009, 04:49 AM
well, i would say the nara's because the yamanaka need a target that isnt moving to hit them with their mind transfer, but with mind destruction, you dont, besides, the nara clan has more techniques, they have like 6 techniques to do with shadows (probably more but i cant remember them) and yamanaka has 1 mind technique that is used to fight, 1 that is used to spy, several to read minds when the enemy is incapacitated, and then the rest are flowers that they throw and such, which could be beaten with a simple possesion jutsu and kunai to the face
you just sead that they can read minds, so that means they well know everything that there planing

The Anbu's Fiery Rose
06-26-2009, 06:55 AM
you just sead that they can read minds, so that means they well know everything that there planing

Wow, I never thought of that. If one of those mind transfer jutsu worked (which would be quite rare), the Yamanaka clan could easily know what the Nara are planning, given they were to get a hold of Shikamaru or Shikaku.

painxkonan
07-12-2009, 06:59 PM
Nara clan i think

Vatanui AKA Pride
07-12-2009, 07:59 PM
Nara Wins.

KIBAFAN321
07-13-2009, 10:26 AM
I would say that the Nara Clan would win because they have Shikamaru in it. Shikamaru is a great stratigies planner. Also everyone in the Nara Clan are smart, so they could plan out their plan and do what ever the plan is suppose to be.

The Yamanak clan just uses Genjutsu. Sure they can switch minds with other people but if their opponent is fast, they can run away before the genjutsu hits them.

yondaime
07-13-2009, 11:58 AM
Nara wins easily

Abelle
07-13-2009, 09:44 PM
Nara Clan of Course.
I don't think Ino's clan could outsmart Shikamaru and his Dad.
The episodes when Shikamaru used his brains to defeat some tough opponents really impressed me ^_^

SakuraGirl
07-18-2009, 03:22 PM
i say the Nara Clan

Shika
07-18-2009, 03:33 PM
Nara clan. Stomps. Hard.

Vatanui AKA Pride
07-18-2009, 03:49 PM
Nara. Beats. Everyone. In. The. Yamanaka. Clan. HARD.

Windking
07-19-2009, 03:32 AM
Nara Clan would Surely Win!

Sage-Master
08-08-2009, 02:22 PM
Go Shikamaru!

ベーゼル
08-08-2009, 02:25 PM
nara clan would win.

Sharingan_Kakashi_Hatake
08-08-2009, 02:25 PM
A tie because in my mind i picture shika and his dad vs ino and her dad standing there calling a draw...but who knows im crazy

Cytrys
08-08-2009, 03:05 PM
Draw : \

mangagirl
08-08-2009, 03:06 PM
nara clan

yondaime
08-08-2009, 03:53 PM
Nara FTW easily

rainbowrazor
08-08-2009, 03:54 PM
nara clan would win

Ichiraku Ramen
08-08-2009, 05:14 PM
The Nara clan would win... unless Yamanaka use flower power!!!

Vivi
08-08-2009, 05:20 PM
Yamanaka.
They get into your mind before the Nara's can even use their shadows.

Ichiraku Ramen
08-08-2009, 05:22 PM
Yamanaka.
They get into your mind before the Nara's can even use their shadows.

Really? They need a clear shot though... and it's not like the Nara's are gonna walk up to a Yamanaka and say; Posses me! 8D

Vivi
08-08-2009, 05:28 PM
Really? They need a clear shot though... and it's not like the Nara's are gonna walk up to a Yamanaka and say; Posses me! 8D

Same with the Nara's.They cannot use their shadow posession while moving.
If it comes one on one the Yamanaka have a slight edge in front of the Nara.

Ino vs Shika

Both need to halt to use their techniques but the mind posession would hit Shikamaru probably just before the shadow can hit Ino.

Ichiraku Ramen
08-08-2009, 05:42 PM
Same with the Nara's.They cannot use their shadow posession while moving.
If it comes one on one the Yamanaka have a slight edge in front of the Nara.

Ino vs Shika

Both need to halt to use their techniques but the mind posession would hit Shikamaru probably just before the shadow can hit Ino.

True... but Nara's can change the shape of their shadow... and I'm guessing they can do it as they walk/run as well.

i_love_kakashi
08-08-2009, 07:02 PM
Nara!!!

Cloud_Love_Ninja
08-08-2009, 09:16 PM
Shikamaru will kill Ino
He just use Shadow Neck Blind Jutsu there end

Cytrys
08-08-2009, 10:59 PM
lol someone gets dirty and throws a kunai and ends it there :) Nara's would do that just to end it since the whole fight is a big pain

LeafShinobi
08-09-2009, 08:50 AM
nara, they use sewing jutsu and other attacking. While Yamanaka clan needs stunners, like - shikamaru nara

Nemico
08-09-2009, 12:13 PM
Nara clan ftw!

sakura882
08-09-2009, 12:49 PM
Naara clan

minoto
08-29-2009, 06:36 PM
I probably think the nara clan would win

SaiyoichiUchiha
08-30-2009, 05:01 PM
I think it would be a tie i mean they can both manipulate stuff so it would be a good fight to watch

Leji_Hyuga
08-30-2009, 05:07 PM
Nara [challenge but remember the nara clan
has way more clan members th yamanaka clan]
[and plus nara med ninjutsu]

Tamoor Uchiha
08-30-2009, 05:56 PM
Nara Clan would definately win.

Tamoor Uchiha
08-30-2009, 05:56 PM
yamanaka clan would come close, but would still lose, to the Nara clan's kekkei-genkai.

UchihaSasuke19
09-06-2009, 05:56 PM
their shadow possesion wud be handy

Okami423
09-07-2009, 03:06 PM
the nara clan ;)

Tickleme
09-10-2009, 05:57 PM
Tough but i think itd b a tie someone would forfeit or both would.

Tobi-Uchiha
09-19-2009, 08:01 PM
Nara Clan would win no doubt their justsu pwns

Hidden Ninja45
09-19-2009, 08:20 PM
I think Nara clan would win because their jutsu is better. And, with, Shikamaru and his dad as leader, they could develop a plan to win.

PrinceofPeace
09-26-2012, 01:06 PM
I love the Nara's BUt...................

Lets face it yamanka's win. They use Mind Disturbance and their enemies can not move

Yamanka's are great sensors so they will know where their enemy and the shadow is

The can control mulitple living things as well

Thei powers are not limited to the time of day

They know their flowers which takes instant effect while preping medicine and using it is not instant

Yamanka's would read their minds/plan as well

the only way Nara wins if they have prep/Knowledge