Hidan + Itachi vs. Kisame + Kakazu

[Tourune]

i say Hidan + itachi

[tanduhman]

Im leaning towards kisame and kakuzu.. good thread by the way.

first ill state out basic feats..
kakuzu>Hidan,,, this one is simple.
Kisame<Itachi,,, but being that kakuzu owns hidan this battle is leaning towards Kisame+kakuzu>Itachi.. ehich i stand by fullheartedly.

I say this because how can hidan hurt either of them? kisame is to fast for hidan, and he could easily shred hidans face right off making hidan useless.. kakuzu is to tankable for hidan making hidan useless as kakuzu can easily thread hidan up and chop his head off with his mere fist.

That leaves kakuzu, and kisame vs itachi.. many will say that itachi can easily use amaterasu to end this match but that is pointless since kakuzus iron skin would tank that. and kisame is to fast to get caught by it.. not to mention the fact that kisame can easily just go underground to dodge the attack in the first place. simple..

now others are going to say that itachi will just gengutsu the both of them, but how is this possible since kakuzu has more than one heart, and kisame has an extra source of chakra to free him of gengutsu (samehada) or kakuzu can just simply have a heart next to kisame at all times to ensure that kisame can get out quickly.. if kisame and kakuzu are on a team than that means gengutsu poses almost no threat.

plus we all have to consider the fact that this is alllll of the elements vs one element.. giving kisame and kakuzu the utmost advantage, and giving itachi a run for his money.. there is simply no way that itachi is going to be able to dodge 5 elemental attacks jumping all around him at once firing simultaneously at him while kisame has around 20 water clones simultaneously attacking him as well. In all honesty kisame has shown better reflex speed than itachi in his fight with KB..

Kisame also has an advantage with his trump card by using water dome.. itachi sinks.. he drowns, thats simple..

now we also have to consider the fact that kakuzu has shown the ability to fly.. so this gives kauzu a range advantage with thread attacks and elemental attacks bombarding itachi from above while kisame handles the battle from the ground with yet again water clones, exploding water shockwave. and a good dodging chance with his underground movement.

For my conclusion i am stating that kisame and kakuzu win with difficulty due to having a variety of attacks that is overwhelming..

peace.

[(un)Godly Hiroku]

i say hidan itachi
well more like itachi
hidan will just distract them kakuzu and kisame while itachi gets it over will quickly and uses ammy
then tsukuyomi on kakuzu, because kisame with his mass of chakra will likely be able to break it.
and with tsukuyomi, itachi can easily destory all of kakuzus hearts
and kisames out due to ammy, so thats it
itachi pwns

[SageoftheSixPaths]

I'm going with Kisame and Kakuzu on this one. Kakuzu has multiple heart beasts to snap him out of a Genjutsu at a moment's notice, and even if he gets caught in, say, Tsukiyomi he has enough stamina with his other 4 hearts to simply brush it off once it's over. Also, using MS tires out Itachi by an incredible amount, and the number of times he'd need to use Ammy on Kakuzu and Kisame is more than he can handle.

Hidan is useless in this fight since he gets blitzed by Kisame and has his head shredded off. Then Kisame goes back to join up with Kakuzu on fighting Itachi.

Itachi's best bet here would be Ammy and Susano'o combos, but he doesn't have enough stamina to really use them effectively. As Tan said, Kisame can dodge Ammy using his Earth Submarine technique, and Kakuzu can just tank it with Iron Skin and multiple heart beasts. Susano'o is a one hitter against either Kisame or Kakuzu, but Kakuzu can fly out of range while Kisame sends clones in to waste Itachi's time. Water Dome would also beat Itachi, as Susano'o doesn't stop the user from needing to breath.

Overall, Itachi simply gets overwhelmed by Kisame and Kakuzu spamming attacks at him while Hidan's head moans from the sidelines. Itachi doesn't have a large enough chakra pool to take them both on at once.

[(un)Godly Hiroku]

oh and to tanduham
tsukuyomi happens almost instanly in real life, so itll happen to quickly for kakuzus hearts to get him fast enough
and kisame doesnt need kakuzus heart cuz he can break a genjutsu easy due to his massive chakra.
so yaaa

[SageoftheSixPaths]

oh and to tanduham
tsukuyomi happens almost instanly in real life, so itll happen to quickly for kakuzus hearts to get him fast enough
and kisame doesnt need kakuzus heart cuz he can break a genjutsu easy due to his massive chakra.
so yaaa
Tsukiyomi won't do much to Kakuzu, though. It takes a second for it to finish, but Kakuzu has almost unlimited stamina due to his hearts. He can simply switch hearts so that he's fully healed from the Genjutsu. Itachi can't use Tsukiyomi more than once or twice in a battle.

[(un)Godly Hiroku]

I'm going with Kisame and Kakuzu on this one. Kakuzu has multiple heart beasts to snap him out of a Genjutsu at a moment's notice, and even if he gets caught in, say, Tsukiyomi he has enough stamina with his other 4 hearts to simply brush it off once it's over. Also, using MS tires out Itachi by an incredible amount, and the number of times he'd need to use Ammy on Kakuzu and Kisame is more than he can handle.

Hidan is useless in this fight since he gets blitzed by Kisame and has his head shredded off. Then Kisame goes back to join up with Kakuzu on fighting Itachi.

Itachi's best bet here would be Ammy and Susano'o combos, but he doesn't have enough stamina to really use them effectively. As Tan said, Kisame can dodge Ammy using his Earth Submarine technique, and Kakuzu can just tank it with Iron Skin and multiple heart beasts. Susano'o is a one hitter against either Kisame or Kakuzu, but Kakuzu can fly out of range while Kisame sends clones in to waste Itachi's time. Water Dome would also beat Itachi, as Susano'o doesn't stop the user from needing to breath.

Overall, Itachi simply gets overwhelmed by Kisame and Kakuzu spamming attacks at him while Hidan's head moans from the sidelines. Itachi doesn't have a large enough chakra pool to take them both on at once.

well itachi is fast, he can speed blitz to kisame and get one hit on him, getting his blood for hidan to use. also with susano'o water dragon would not be able to reach him so there is noway for him to drown...
and kakuzus hearts can easily be taken out by susano'os totsuka

and hidan isnt much of a help in this fight though
but i still believe itachi can pull it off, hes the storngest of the akatsuki other than pain probably

[(un)Godly Hiroku]

Tsukiyomi won't do much to Kakuzu, though. It takes a second for it to finish, but Kakuzu has almost unlimited stamina due to his hearts. He can simply switch hearts so that he's fully healed from the Genjutsu. Itachi can't use Tsukiyomi more than once or twice in a battle.
true but itachi just needs kakuzus to be down long enough to either ammy him or summon susano'o to kill the rest if his hearts without him butting in, not that he would do much anyways

[SageoftheSixPaths]

well itachi is fast, he can speed blitz to kisame and get one hit on him, getting his blood for hidan to use. also with susano'o water dragon would not be able to reach him so there is noway for him to drown...
and kakuzus hearts can easily be taken out by susano'os totsuka

and hidan isnt much of a help in this fight though
but i still believe itachi can pull it off, hes the storngest of the akatsuki other than pain probably
Kisame and Itachi are the same speed. Itachi can't blitz. And I didn't say Water Dragon, I said Water Dome. It's the size of a mountain, so there's no way Itachi won't get surrounded by it. Even with Susano'o activated he'd drown.

Itachi is most likely the strongest after Pain, yes.
true but itachi just needs kakuzus to be down long enough to either ammy him or summon susano'o to kill the rest if his hearts without him butting in, not that he would do much anyways
Susano'o takes a bit of time for him to summon up, and Ammy takes prep. By then Kakuzu has already switched hearts and is ready to go. He can make the switch in a second or two with ease. Tsuki won't grant Itachi enough time. Ammy can be tanked by Iron Skin and hearts even if it does hit. Kakuzu can fly out of Susano'o's range. Etc.

[(un)Godly Hiroku]

Kisame and Itachi are the same speed. Itachi can't blitz. And I didn't say Water Dragon, I said Water Dome. It's the size of a mountain, so there's no way Itachi won't get surrounded by it. Even with Susano'o activated he'd drown.

Itachi is most likely the strongest after Pain, yes.

Susano'o takes a bit of time for him to summon up, and Ammy takes prep. By then Kakuzu has already switched hearts and is ready to go. He can make the switch in a second or two with ease. Tsuki won't grant Itachi enough time. Ammy can be tanked by Iron Skin and hearts even if it does hit. Kakuzu can fly out of Susano'o's range. Etc.
iron skin doesnt matter ammy burns all
also susano'os shield can repel most of the water and the rest wont be able to get into susano'o
so i believe itachi is safe
and i didnt really mean itachi would blitz, i just meant he speed to kisame and use multiple kunai and weapon attacks until he got one to hit, just to geth the blood.
and itachi is a little faster than kisame, and he is swifter

[Teddie]

Except No. Its an instantaneous, mountain sized, dome of water. Susano-o is just chakra. It cant physically block the massive ammount of water. Also, with Samehada fusion, Kisame gains access to massive speed bursts, and almost instantaneous chakra absorbtino just upon touch. BY grabbing on to the back of Susano-O, he could simply suck Itachi dry. Kakuzu doesnt need to breath, so he can simply have his beasts attack from long range while underwater. Inside Susano-o, Itachi would have trouble keeping up with Shark Kisame, and would find it impossible to defeat him.

[Akatsuki Tsunade]

LOL nice poll... ;p two of my favorite buddies have posted too.. umm lets see which way should i go
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well i have a question. Do we know for sure that Kisames soward can knock him out of ginjutsu? or is this all mere guessing..??

And same with kakuzu.. yes he does have 5 hearts but they are controlled by kakusu mind right?? so if he was under ginjutsu his hearts would be use less right??

for me not knowing those question makes this harder for me. but i GUESS ill give it too Kisame and kakuzu only because i do feel it would be to hard for itachi to take on all 5 of kakuzu hearts and kisame at the same time..

ps i also just dont know how much hidan could help.. so im looking at this like a 2 vs 1
but to be honest my mind could change just to many what ifs for me..

[The 1st Hokage]

amaterasu burns water?

[Akatsuki Tsunade]

amaterasu burns water?

im pretty sure it burns threw everything.. and no matter what burns 7 days.(unless ur saske) im thinking if it is on water it would lay on top on the surface

[tanduhman]

LOL nice poll... ;p two of my favorite buddies have posted too.. umm lets see which way should i go
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well i have a question. Do we know for sure that Kisames soward can knock him out of ginjutsu? or is this all mere guessing..??

And same with kakuzu.. yes he does have 5 hearts but they are controlled by kakusu mind right?? so if he was under ginjutsu his hearts would be use less right??

for me not knowing those question makes this harder for me. but i GUESS ill give it too Kisame and kakuzu only because i do feel it would be to hard for itachi to take on all 5 of kakuzu hearts and kisame at the same time..

ps i also just dont know how much hidan could help.. so im looking at this like a 2 vs 1
but to be honest my mind could change just to many what ifs for me..

kakuzu doesnt rlly control them with his mind.. because weve seen him die, than come back to life by one of his extra hearts.. his hearts would immediatly back him up on their own.

to me kisames samehada isnt a must have for a gengutsu break due to kakuzu having a heart backing up kisame the entire battle..
and whats to say that itachi can get kisame in a gengutsu if kisame has a barrage of clones in front of him making it impossible to do so.

@ ungodly- theres no way itachi is going to blitz kisame.. seriusly just drop that because that sounds rediculous.. kisame can tank any attacks itachi throws forth with samehada. not to mention his reflexes seem better than itachis.. for you to say that itachis is better well i dont see feets beating keeping up with kb one of the fastest characters in the series.

and even tho ammy burns all doesnt mean that it would burn kakuzu when he has iron skin on.. its iron skin, it can tank fire attacks with ease.

and weve seen ammy used on kirin and after a good minute or so of it on her she was completely fine.. doesnt sound slike a very damaging move, especially with iron skin on.

and again as sage has stated itachi cannot use tsuky more than once or twice in a match.. hes does not have alot of chakra, and for him to use tsuky would put him at great risk in this match due to chakr loss.. he would have to be very wise to use this move.. not to mention that kisames samehada heals him..

with itachi being distracted by four to five hearts, and kisames barrage of water clones, and massive water waves, and water shark bombs coming at him i dont see him having a good enough reaction to dodge it all.. or have any jutsu to counter all of it at once.. itachi dies.

[Akatsuki Tsunade]

ok hold up tanduman.. as u can see i did give the match to Kisame and Kakuzu but your not trying to tell me that Kisame alone is stronger than Itachi RIght?? cuz kisame even says itachi is stronger than him.. those were his own words.. so with that being said i think its fair to say than itachi is better thann kisame

[Mangekyou Sasuke]

Itachi and Hidan.
Hidan if he even gets a trickle of blood that Itachi can collect its over for the others. Unless kakuzu cuz his heart. But Itachi can easily use tsukoyomi on him and if he survives he'll be immobilized and they can wipe out the rest of his hearts.

[trofet]

Susanoo takes them both blocking every attack and sealing them with Orochimaru lulz

[Akatsuki Tsunade]

Susanoo takes them both blocking every attack and sealing them with Orochimaru lulz

LOL fair enough... haha

[(un)Godly Hiroku]

@tanduham
itachi is better than kisame, kisame even states this, so if he is better there is no doubt he can easily get a drop of his blood, i was just stating a way he may go about it, not saying that it would work, it was just an example of how he could
and itachi has good reflexs if your stating he doesnt because of his fight with sasuke
then you should re read that, itachis was still tramatized from his tsukuyomi fail
and he had a disease as well, which explains the coughing up blood part.
so yes i am saying itachi can easily get a drop of kisames blood, and i stated factual reasons how and y.
so how about you drop it. not me.

and i do believe that as pathetic as hidan is that he can occupy kakuzu and his hearts for the short time it takes itachi to get blood from kisame.
also after itachi does he can easily come up behind kakuzu and ammy him, and while hes down, summon susano'o and slash the rest of his hearts into a drunken dream for eternity with his totsuka sword
also he could use ammy on kisame too
to distact him so he doesnt interfere with has ambush on kakuzu and to maybe even kill him
but if it doesnt kill him it'll stall kisame long enough for hidan to recieve the blood and start his ritual and then kill kisame

[tanduhman]

@tanduham
itachi is better than kisame, kisame even states this, so if he is better there is no doubt he can easily get a drop of his blood, i was just stating a way he may go about it, not saying that it would work, it was just an example of how he could
and itachi has good reflexs if your stating he doesnt because of his fight with sasuke
then you should re read that, itachis was still tramatized from his tsukuyomi fail
and he had a disease as well, which explains the coughing up blood part.
so yes i am saying itachi can easily get a drop of kisames blood, and i stated factual reasons how and y.
so how about you drop it. not me.

and i do believe that as pathetic as hidan is that he can occupy kakuzu and his hearts for the short time it takes itachi to get blood from kisame.
also after itachi does he can easily come up behind kakuzu and ammy him, and while hes down, summon susano'o and slash the rest of his hearts into a drunken dream for eternity with his totsuka sword
also he could use ammy on kisame too
to distact him so he doesnt interfere with has ambush on kakuzu and to maybe even kill him
but if it doesnt kill him it'll stall kisame long enough for hidan to recieve the blood and start his ritual and then kill kisame

i simply have nothing to drop because im not the one stating that itachi can blitz kisame.. i understand that you have a valid point but your also comparing itachis fight with sasuke to kisames fight with KB.. we both know KB is faster.. and kisame has shown the ability to keep up with him. i never once stated that kisame was better than itachi, your misunderstanding me.. i stated that kisame had better reflexes than itachi due to his shown feats.

and since when is the itachi were talking about a healthy one? were debating the itachi we know that is recent.. just like the recent kisame before his supposed death even tho hes actually alive
itachi has low staming as shown when he died at sasukes feet only holding up susaano for what? a few mintues?

and its already been stated that getting a drop of blood is quite useless in this battle..ill admit that it might be easy to get a drop of blood, even though kisame could easily tank any basic tries at trying to get it.
so what if he did get the blood? kisame could easily use exploding water shockwave to flood the floor.. you cant draw a blood ritual on water.. impossible.

i also dont see hidan holding up kakuzu for any amount of time either.. spamming threads could probably snatch him, unleashing hearts by using the lightning heart would end hidan in a simple second.

i still dont see how ammy is going to do much with iron skin on..

and to try to ammy kisame would be pointless as i already stated how he can go underground.. or go underwater..

tooo much typing!