Rock Lee vs Sasuke Uchiha v2

[Demon of the Hidden Mist]

i was watching those old episodes of naruto the return of itachi arc. When Guy came in and saved Kakashi's butt from Itachi and Kisame. He said he perfected a way to fight a sharingan user. To look at their feet when fighting. I consider Guy and Kakashi close in terms of skill. Just because he has the sharingan doesnt mean he can beat anyone. Guy is very powerful.
Well straight to the point i think a Lee and Sasuke fight would be very interesting. in their first fight Lee wiped th eflorr with Sasuke. Because sasuke was acting so cocky since he activated his sharingan. Currently Sasuke is made to look so powerful because he is but we havent seen alot of Lee. Lets just assume that he has grown in strenght at a normal rate and also that Guy taught him how to face the sharingan.
Would any of you enjoy a fight between these two and who do you think will win and why? I predict alot of Sasuke fans though

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Who's V2 Sasuke? Is it the Chunin Exams version? Is it the Orochimaru's pupil version? Is it the Taka version? Is it the Akatsuki version? Elaborate.

[Demon of the Hidden Mist]

Who's V2 Sasuke? Is it the Chunin Exams version? Is it the Orochimaru's pupil version? Is it the Taka version? Is it the Akatsuki version? Elaborate.
Version 2 is just them in part 2. Not just sasuke. We already knew there skills and how a battle would result in part one. this is just the next level

[trofet]

If you mean Sasuke at this time and Rock lee in this time, Sasuke would win because of his experience from other batles and the intence training with Orochimaru + Susanoo if it's necessary and Ms.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

If that's the case, Sasuke stomps so hard it isn't even funny. Lee has literally no resistance to Genjutsu, so he loses with a basic Sharingan Genjutsu technique in the first couple of seconds. Either that or Sasuke blitzes him and stabs him through the heart.

[trofet]

Guy is pretty good against sharingan and he has probably teached Lee about it. But yea Sasuke would stomp this pretty easy with his sword and speed + all other jutsu's.

[e710]

lee faster then sasuke and plus lee got taught by guy propbapley about how to dodge the sharingan or to not look at his eyes but yeah sasuke wins cuz of his sword and he can acctually use justsu

[SageoftheSixPaths]

lee faster then sasuke and plus lee got taught by guy propbapley about how to dodge the sharingan or to not look at his eyes but yeah sasuke wins cuz of his sword and he can acctually use justsu
Lol wut? No he's not.

Proof? When did Guy teach him any of that stuff?

[trofet]

Do you really think that they show everything. Lee is like Guy's best friend and child. So he probably teached him that stuff. Like the 5 gates.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Do you really think that they show everything. Lee is like Guy's best friend and child. So he probably teached him that stuff. Like the 5 gates.
Yes, but you're just assuming. Maybe Guy didn't have time to teach him that stuff. Unless we see it or know it for a fact, you can't say he did. As of right now, Lee has no idea how to fight against a Sharingan user.

[deidara330]

Sasuke Uchiha would win. Sasuke has proven to be at the speed of at least Low Supersonic. Lee's best speed is Transonic+, and that's only attained when using the 8 Gates. Once Sasuke activates the Susano'o, Lee can't hurt him. Nothing that Lee has shown has the capacity of breaking through the Susano'o. Sasuke's bow and arrow is definitely Supersonic, possibly Supersonic+. Lee couldn't dodge the arrow with his speed. I'm even willing to classify this match as a stomp for Sasuke, since in his base formm he's already two speed levels above Lee in base, and since once he activates Susano'o Lee can't hurt him at all.

[Teddie]

Lolz at RL having a chance.
Amaterasu
Susanoo
Short Genjutsu bursts
Chidori
Chidori Stream
Chidori Current
Susanoo Final Form
Sharingan
Mangekyo sharingan
Blaze Release

vs.

Taijutsu.
Gates.
Drunkeness, but he has no access to alch.
....
So...yae.
Nice try Lee fans.


Lolcatz.

[Demon of the Hidden Mist]

Sasuke would probably win but i don't think he would get stomped. How can anyone say that Sasuke is faster than Lee. Since we were introduced to Lee he was known as the fastest. Do you actually think he has slowed down. im 99% sure that guy taught Lee how to face a sharingan user. C'mon Lee is basically his son and also #1 student u dont think Guy would teach him. Sword play can be important but if Sasuke cant hit him with it then it wouldnt play a huge part and besides Lee has Nunchuks. I think Sasuke will eventually win just because he heas so many other weapons. But If Lee ever went all 8 gates he would win but we know he'll also die. So it isnt so win win situation. lol

[kokojojo]

8 eight gates is stilll inferior to susanoo, and i remember in the chuunin exams sasuke achieved lee's speed but the difference was that he didnt have the endurance. but yea sasuke wud DEFINITELY win, not prolly. but it might not be a stomp

[deidara330]

Sasuke would probably win but i don't think he would get stomped.

I think you mean "stomp" instead of "get stomped".

How can anyone say that Sasuke is faster than Lee.

I dunno, like this: Sasuke is faster than Lee.

Since we were introduced to Lee he was known as the fastest.

That's not entirely true. I can't remember when he was noted as the fastest, and if he was than it was an inconsistency since Guy is clearly faster.

Do you actually think he has slowed down.

Lee didn't slow down. Sasuke sped up. Sasuke is Supersonic, and many people would disagree if you said that even Lee's best speed feat could match that.

im 99% sure that guy taught Lee how to face a sharingan user. C'mon Lee is basically his son and also #1 student u dont think Guy would teach him.

I think he WOULD, but he never DID. You don't know that Guy ever taught Lee how to fight the Sharingan, and you have no way of proving it. If we allow people to use techniques they've never been proven to have, it'd be equivalent to giving them a handicap. Handicaps don't tell you anything about who would win in a fair fight.

Sword play can be important but if Sasuke cant hit him with it then it wouldnt play a huge part and besides Lee has Nunchuks.

Nunchucks were only shown in the third Naruto movie. In the manga, he never has them.

I think Sasuke will eventually win just because he heas so many other weapons. But If Lee ever went all 8 gates he would win but we know he'll also die. So it isnt so win win situation. lolActually, Lee in Gates still probably can't match Sasuke in speed.

[Miles Edgeworth]

The biggest freaking Leetard on the battleground (aka me) knows Lee gets stomped....HARD.

Forget freaking Shippuden Sasuke, let's suppose Pre Sasuke with the Cursed Seal fought Lee.

No freaking way Lee stands a chance. With Sharingan Sasuke dodges all of Lee's attacks as long as he's in base form. Sasuke has easy access to hitting Lee should he attempt to use gates.

Lee cannot tank a Chidori. He just can't.

Sasuke can fly. Lee cannot. Closest thing Lee can do is jump, which won't do well for him against a guy like Sasuke.

On top of that, CS2 Sasuke tanked a hit from KN1, lol at Lee comparing to KN1.

Do note this is PRE SKIP SASUKE I am talking about. Not even post yet.

EDIT: People are blabbering about Guy knowing how to "counter" Sharingan. Lol wut. First off, no proof Guy ever taught Lee this. Second, wut does looking at an opponent's feet do to help? Against a genjutsu user that's a logical conclusion, but Sasuke doesn't use genjutsu pre skip, and post skip he doesn't need genjutsu to own Lee. So therefore Lee using that strategy won't help him any, assuming he actually did know this to begin with (which is unlikely because this wasn't seen when he fought Sasuke pre skip).

Supposing this "strategy" did help against Sasuke, wut difference does it actually make? Sasuke is still basically equal in speed to Lee pre skip (blitzing post skip), but Sharingan allows him to dodge attacks and to copy techniques within Sasuke's ability range. While he can't copy something such as Hidden Lotus, Sharingan should allow him to dodge Lee's attacks and come close to matching his taijutsu.

[321zigzag1]

Actually gated Lee should be faster than Sasuke in Part 2 Naruto.

But we haven't seen so.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Actually gated Lee should be faster than Sasuke in Part 2 Naruto.

But we haven't seen so.

That's assuming he has 6 Gate, and it's still completely hype. If Lee doesn't have 6 Gate we can't assume he's faster.

Besides, Sasuke can still own him before he uses gates, unfortunately =(

[kokojojo]

lol man i wud give u rep if i cud for admitting to being a leetard and for admitting ur fav character wud lose. u brought up some good points, but if other people on the site are giving lee a chance at victory then u mite not be as big a leetard as u think lol

[321zigzag1]

There is nothing Lee can do to Sasuke except in Gates.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Actually gated Lee should be faster than Sasuke in Part 2 Naruto.

But we haven't seen so.
By powerscaling he MIGHT be, but I sincerely doubt it. The Sauce has gone from sonic speed after beating Orochimaru to supersonic speed after fighting Raikage. That's a ginormous speed boost in a very short amount of time. Lee has demonstrated little to no improvement compared to pre Ship Lee, although we've seen much, much less of him in recent times than we did back in the good ol days of the Sound 4.

This is easily a massive stomp thread in favor of the Sauce. Even without Plot Armor, he's faster, can actually use Ninjutsu, has a large arsenal of powerful Genjutsu (which Lee has 0 resistance to), has an unblockable sword (supposedly), and has massive MS hax powers. There is no possible scenario where a fair fight can be staged between these two unless it's a strictly Taijutsu battle with prep time for Lee.

[321zigzag1]

By powerscaling he MIGHT be, but I sincerely doubt it. The Sauce has gone from sonic speed after beating Orochimaru to supersonic speed after fighting Raikage. That's a ginormous speed boost in a very short amount of time. Lee has demonstrated little to no improvement compared to pre Ship Lee, although we've seen much, much less of him in recent times than we did back in the good ol days of the Sound 4.

This is easily a massive stomp thread in favor of the Sauce. Even without Plot Armor, he's faster, can actually use Ninjutsu, has a large arsenal of powerful Genjutsu (which Lee has 0 resistance to), has an unblockable sword (supposedly), and has massive MS hax powers. There is no possible scenario where a fair fight can be staged between these two unless it's a strictly Taijutsu battle with prep time for Lee.

No I am pretty certain that by Gates 5 or at least 6 and up Lee would give Sasuke trouble in speed by powerscale.

[Miles Edgeworth]

lol man i wud give u rep if i cud for admitting to being a leetard and for admitting ur fav character wud lose. u brought up some good points, but if other people on the site are giving lee a chance at victory then u mite not be as big a leetard as u think lol

I'm pretty sure it's mostly due to people wanking Lee's speed.

People constantly assume Lee to be top tier in speed. While he is pretty fast for Narutoverse standards, many people in Naruto could blitz the guy.

In particular, people like SM Jiraiya, Pain, SM Naruto, Killer Bee, and especially Raikage would most certainly be faster. However I'm positive that Sasuke is superior to Lee in speed, at least by the feats he's shown.

The funny thing is even if Lee WAS faster, with current feats he cannot blitz, nor can he do any major damage to Sasuke. I'm pretty sure that until Lee gets more feats, Sasuke roflstomps and even end of pre skip Sasuke could take him out with mild to moderate difficulty.

[kokojojo]

wut do u mean by powerscale and how do u guys know exactly how fast these guys are?

[321zigzag1]

I'm pretty sure it's mostly due to people wanking Lee's speed.

People constantly assume Lee to be top tier in speed. While he is pretty fast for Narutoverse standards, many people in Naruto could blitz the guy.

In particular, people like SM Jiraiya, Pain, SM Naruto, Killer Bee, and especially Raikage would most certainly be faster. However I'm positive that Sasuke is superior to Lee in speed, at least by the feats he's shown.

The funny thing is even if Lee WAS faster, with current feats he cannot blitz, nor can he do any major damage to Sasuke. I'm pretty sure that until Lee gets more feats, Sasuke roflstomps and even end of pre skip Sasuke could take him out with mild to moderate difficulty.

Indeed Gai and Lee in base cannot be top tier in speed at all.

[camcam417]

ok lets make this short and sweet sasuke would win

[321zigzag1]

wut do u mean by powerscale and how do u guys know exactly how fast these guys are?

Chunin Exams Sasuke reached Weightless Lee in speed.

This is Part 2. Now compare Sasuke to Lee in improvement also Lee hasn't shown enough.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

No I am pretty certain that by Gates 5 or at least 6 and up Lee would give Sasuke trouble in speed by powerscale.
How so? I haven't seen any improvements to Lee between pre Ship and Ship. As far as we know, he hasn't improved at all, and all evidence points to this very fact. That means his five gates are the same as they were during the Chunin Exams, which was around transonic speed.

However, if he DOES have the 6th gate, yes, he would pose a problem in terms of speed. Fortunately for the Sauce, Susano'o eliminates said problem.

[kokojojo]

but didnt some1 say during that fight with gaara that sasuke cudnt keep up that speed as long as lee?

[321zigzag1]

How so? I haven't seen any improvements to Lee between pre Ship and Ship. As far as we know, he hasn't improved at all, and all evidence points to this very fact. That means his five gates are the same as they were during the Chunin Exams, which was around transonic speed.

However, if he DOES have the 6th gate, yes, he would pose a problem in terms of speed. Fortunately for the Sauce, Susano'o eliminates said problem.

Don't be so quick to scale particularily speed especially in a universe which is harder to do.

Anyway transonic for Gates in chunin exams sound reasonable but take my point as a cautionary.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

but didnt some1 say during that fight with gaara that sasuke cudnt keep up that speed as long as lee?
Yes, they did. Sasuke had the speed, but not the endurance.

[321zigzag1]

but didnt some1 say during that fight with gaara that sasuke cudnt keep up that speed as long as lee?

Thats part 1 we are talking about part 2 now.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Don't be so quick to scale particularily speed especially in a universe which is harder to do.

Anyway transonic for Gates in chunin exams sound reasonable but take my point as a cautionary.
I don't think I'm being very hasty at all. Lee has shown almost literally no improvement since Shippuden. That means his Gates shouldn't have improved either. Like I said before, if he only has 5 gates, the Sauce still blitzes. If he has 6 gates, the Sauce has a good deal of difficulty with winning solely based on speed.

I shall.

[321zigzag1]

I don't think I'm being very hasty at all. Lee has shown almost literally no improvement since Shippuden. That means his Gates shouldn't have improved either. Like I said before, if he only has 5 gates, the Sauce still blitzes. If he has 6 gates, the Sauce has a good deal of difficulty with winning solely based on speed.

I shall.

Considering we haven't seen Lee in gates post time skip we cannot say such things he hasn't improved at all.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Considering we haven't seen Lee in gates post time skip we cannot say such things he hasn't improved at all.
I can. "He hasn't improved much, or at all, from what we've seen so far." See? I just said it! xD

Going by feats, which easily trump speculation and powerscaling, Lee shouldn't have gone up a ton in terms of speed. I mean, he's still a Chunin afterall. Had he improved a good deal since pre Ship he should be, by all means, at least a Special Jonin. I mean Guy only uses Taijutsu and speed, and he's a full Jonin.

Of course, I'm more than positive Lee has the 6th Gate as of now, but we haven't seen it, so we can't say.

[321zigzag1]

I can. "He hasn't improved much, or at all, from what we've seen so far." See? I just said it! xD

Going by feats, which easily trump speculation and powerscaling, Lee shouldn't have gone up a ton in terms of speed. I mean, he's still a Chunin afterall. Had he improved a good deal since pre Ship he should be, by all means, at least a Special Jonin. I mean Guy only uses Taijutsu and speed, and he's a full Jonin.

Of course, I'm more than positive Lee has the 6th Gate as of now, but we haven't seen it, so we can't say.

Considering we didn't see him fight we cannot do too much speculation. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Now we don't know that at all do we? http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

See even you say that we can't say Lee has gates since we didn't see it but neither can you can say on Lee's improvement on Part 2 in speed since we never saw Lee fight. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Considering we didn't see him fight we cannot do too much speculation. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Now we don't know that at all do we? http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

See even you say that we can't say Lee has gates since we didn't see it but neither can you can say on Lee's improvement on Part 2 in speed since we never saw Lee fight. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
We saw him get owned by 30% Kisame. xD

Like I said, there is nothing to powerscale or hype him up with except 6th Gate, so, from WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, Lee has shown little to no improvement whatsoever.

To quote yourself: http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

[Shikamaru Nara]

We saw him get owned by 30% Kisame. xD

Like I said, there is nothing to powerscale or hype him up with except 6th Gate, so, from WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, Lee has shown little to no improvement whatsoever.

To quote yourself: http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

I think I'll jump in here.

No, he hasn't shown any extreme improvements, but granted, we haven't seen Lee as much as we've seen Sasuke.

No, Lee isn't nearly as fast as Sasuke, but we can't give the sauce all the credit, Lee is pretty cool.

Sasuke is overpowered due to Plot no Jutsu.....that's why most Sasuke battles are unfair and easily decided in his favor.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

I think I'll jump in here.

No, he hasn't shown any extreme improvements, but granted, we haven't seen Lee as much as we've seen Sasuke.

No, Lee isn't nearly as fast as Sasuke, but we can't give the sauce all the credit, Lee is pretty cool.

Sasuke is overpowered due to Plot no Jutsu.....that's why most Sasuke battles are unfair and easily decided in his favor.
This is all true, and Lee is cooler than the Sauce. Unfortunately, we have to use what the Sauce has given us, and he's given us hax powers and Plot Armor.

[321zigzag1]

We saw him get owned by 30% Kisame. xD

Like I said, there is nothing to powerscale or hype him up with except 6th Gate, so, from WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, Lee has shown little to no improvement whatsoever.

To quote yourself: http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Indeed. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
But we haven't seen him go gates at all. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Except Lee has shown nothing gates so you can't make that judgement. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

[AkiraNeko]

There's a lot of IFs here, depending on the time, place, and how strong they both are.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Indeed. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
But we haven't seen him go gates at all. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Except Lee has shown nothing gates so you can't make that judgement. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
I'm going to cross the taboo line of Naruto debating and say we saw pre skip Lee go Gates during the Chunin Exams. Since that's all we've got, that's all we can do. Forgive my debating blasphemy in citing pre Shippuden material in a debate. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

[SageoftheSixPaths]

There's a lot of IFs here, depending on the time, place, and how strong they both are.
There are actually no "ifs" here. The Sauce stomps with ease. Me and Zig are just debating some powerscaling technicalities.

[321zigzag1]

I'm going to cross the taboo line of Naruto debating and say we saw pre skip Lee go Gates during the Chunin Exams. Since that's all we've got, that's all we can do. Forgive my debating blasphemy in citing pre Shippuden material in a debate. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Well we both acknowledged thats all we can do from the beginning. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Well we both acknowledged thats all we can do from the beginning. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
Indeed we did. Either way, it really doesn't matter. The Sauce still stomps this fight. No question about that. Do you think this thread is lock worthy, or should we just let it die?

[321zigzag1]

Indeed we did. Either way, it really doesn't matter. The Sauce still stomps this fight. No question about that. Do you think this thread is lock worthy, or should we just let it die?

Well there is a chance that more people may come and say Lee wins. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

But however locking doesn't always solve things either. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Well there is a chance that more people may come and say Lee wins. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

But however locking doesn't always solve things either. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
Yes, but it could avoid potential Lee wankers, of which there are surprisingly few.

I say we just let it be and thoroughly ridicule anyone who says Lee wins. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

[kekki genki]

well since sasuke has susanoo lee wouldnt really stand a chance at all if all he has is taijutsu ya digg?

[ByakuganAlex]

we should wait until the next 4 mangas. ps where did neji, tenten, ino, and chouji go?? i know they split up but why

[sasori1234567]

Sasuke!

[Shikamaru Nara]

well since sasuke has susanoo lee wouldnt really stand a chance at all if all he has is taijutsu ya digg?

Well, the Sauce would be in serious trouble if he used Susano'o because nobody would be there to heal him because as we know, the Susano'o is an energy guzzler. Also, he'd have to use it very early in the fight because it's a chakra guzzler. He shouldn't use it at all in this quarrel.


But yes, the sause takes this one home.:cry:

[Shikamaru Nara]

we should wait until the next 4 mangas. ps where did neji, tenten, ino, and chouji go?? i know they split up but why


Sorry, I forgot to double quote. :/ This is a spam post, you should make a new thread about it.

[Roatch]

Sasuke wins, but I have a very small insignificant question.
I would ask it, but I don't know how to put it inside a spoiler warning.
^^;;
Okaay, [EDIT!]
My question is:
How can you 'Amaterasu' what you can't see?
I mean, yeah, the sharingan has a vague range of abilities, but how can Lee even look into the eyes of something that he is dashing past?

[Cato Antal]

Sasuke wins due to speedblitz. Ammy, Susano'o and MS is just over kill. Sasuke wins with low scale sharingan genjutsu and chidori variants.