Ginyu Force vs Team Urameshi

[Superwes Reborn]

I think that the addition of captain Ginyu could be overkill...but. Here's the match ups

Kuwabara vs Guldo

Kurama vs Jeice

Hiei vs Burter

Yusuke vs Ginyu

This is at the end of the series. The very end. Kurama has mastered her previous form, Hiei has mastered the black dragon thingy, Yusuke his Youkai, all have been trained by their respective masters (Yomi, Mukuro, and Raizen). And for the sake of making it fair, Kuwabara has mastered the Dimensional sword

[Superwes Reborn]

Bumps.

[The 1st Hokage]

Team Urameshi wins all with speedblitz or Mountain busting moves.

Hiei blitzes or uses dragon of the darkness flame

Kurama blitzes or cuts guldo up.

Kurama uses the death seed or rose whip and blitzes

Yusuke blitzes or uses his Demon/Spirit gun which Demon Gun>Kamehameha at that point in DBZ

[Miles Edgeworth]

Ginyu Force stomps hard.

By powerscaling Ginyu Force should be moon busters considering the power shown by people confirmed weaker than them.

Ginyu Force should be faster as well, Recoome was lol'ing at Vegeta at the time and he's not even the strongest.

Mountain busting does nothing to Ginyu Force, Vegeta and Goku casually mountain busted during Saiyan Saga yet even Namek Saga Vegeta couldn't do crap to Recoome when he fought him.

[otacon]

Ginyu Force stomps hard.

By powerscaling Ginyu Force should be moon busters considering the power shown by people confirmed weaker than them.

Ginyu Force should be faster as well, Recoome was lol'ing at Vegeta at the time and he's not even the strongest.

Mountain busting does nothing to Ginyu Force, Vegeta and Goku casually mountain busted during Saiyan Saga yet even Namek Saga Vegeta couldn't do crap to Recoome when he fought him.

Ginyu force can bust more, but i am not really coninced that they are faster. and any of them would be dead if Kurama manages to implant his death seed inside of them, which is possble considering the length of rose whip and the likelyhood that the others are making distractions. smokescreen and Tree of sorrow combination could also possible be a problem for the ginyu's as they wont be able to see and Kurama could eisily implant the seeds.

yeah the ginyu force is durable, but could they really tank Dragon of Darkness flame or full power spirit gun? een so Kurama could be a problem.

still the Ginyo force is probably more powerful, but I am not convinced that they are faster than the Team Uramshi, especially Hiei and Yusuke.

not saying that Team Urameshi straight up wins; I just feel that they have a better chance than you are making it to be. I could be wrong though, as I havennot seen DBZ in a long time, and I never liked it much anyways

[The 1st Hokage]

Realy.I didn't think they were that fast,but yeah a death seed or tree of sorrow will be a huge problem,and without full mastery of the dragon of the darkness flame he killed one of team toguro which is a big feat in itself.hiei also was considered hypersonic at the very beginning cuz of escaping a massive explosion and Yusuke (sprit detective arc) hung with him.At the point where Hiei became A almost S rank demon,He would be much faster and stronger.In the dark tornament arc,Yusuke's Spirit gun reached close to spacefrom the island making it quite strong in the 3rd arc.Kurama's rose whip was stated to be able to cut through any material.Even though that is hyperbole,it was shown to be able to cut through metal,concrete and other thick objects.Kuwabara is sadly close to fodder IMO but thats just what i think on him.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Ginyu force can bust more, but i am not really coninced that they are faster. and any of them would be dead if Kurama manages to implant his death seed inside of them, which is possble considering the length of rose whip and the likelyhood that the others are making distractions. smokescreen and Tree of sorrow combination could also possible be a problem for the ginyu's as they wont be able to see and Kurama could eisily implant the seeds.

yeah the ginyu force is durable, but could they really tank Dragon of Darkness flame or full power spirit gun? een so Kurama could be a problem.

still the Ginyo force is probably more powerful, but I am not convinced that they are faster than the Team Uramshi, especially Hiei and Yusuke.

not saying that Team Urameshi straight up wins; I just feel that they have a better chance than you are making it to be. I could be wrong though, as I havennot seen DBZ in a long time, and I never liked it much anyways

Recoome is easily massively hypersonic, he was roflblitzing Vegeta. Only reason Goku was faster was because he got MUCH stronger since Saiyan Saga. Recoome isn't even the strongest one either, and Burter was hyped to be really fast. I fail to see how Yusuke or Hiei match up to that.

Let's suppose Team Urameshi was as strong as you think they are. Ginyu uses Body Change, he landed it on Goku so why not Yusuke or Hiei? At first Team Urameshi won't know what happened and they'll get taken out.

Distractions? Lol wut, there's five people in Ginyu Force and four in Team Urameshi, with Kuwabara being utterly useless. There's no way Team Ginyu's gonna be distracted enough for Kurama to use Death Seed.

Yes, I'm pretty sure 23rd Budokai people are >Team Urameshi and Ginyu Force is leagues above that.

OBD says 23rd Budokai Goku vs Yomi is inconclusive. Yomi>Team Urameshi and 23rd Budokai Goku gets raped by anybody in Ginyu Force.

Perhaps Team Urameshi is faster than Guldo, mainly because Guldo doesn't seem fast and powerful. But they are not blitzing the rest of the team, they probably get blitzed themselves.

And just how does anybody in Team Urameshi kill Ginyu? I'm pretty sure Ginyu blitzes and solos this, adding the rest of the team is overkill.

Realy.I didn't think they were that fast,but yeah a death seed or tree of sorrow will be a huge problem,and without full mastery of the dragon of the darkness flame he killed one of team toguro which is a big feat in itself.hiei also was considered hypersonic at the very beginning cuz of escaping a massive explosion and Yusuke (sprit detective arc) hung with him.At the point where Hiei became A almost S rank demon,He would be much faster and stronger.In the dark tornament arc,Yusuke's Spirit gun reached close to spacefrom the island making it quite strong in the 3rd arc.Kurama's rose whip was stated to be able to cut through any material.Even though that is hyperbole,it was shown to be able to cut through metal,concrete and other thick objects.Kuwabara is sadly close to fodder IMO but thats just what i think on him.

And Ginyu Force can't kill Kurama before that why? Kurama isn't durable enough to take hits from them and there's no way he's keeping up.

Wut are you talking about, Hiei spared Bui, the Team Toguro member he fought. He killed some fodder early in the tournament with it but it's not like they can be compared to Ginyu Force.

Yeah hypersonic, LOW hypersonic. And I need feats to prove that Team Urameshi is capable of keeping up with Ginyu Force besides Guldo.

Spirit Gun is like mountain busting, too bad nobody in Ginyu Force would be killed by that.

Rose Whip cuts through steel, so now that means it can do massive damage to Ginyu Force? I'm pretty sure Saiyan Saga Vegeta takes out Kurama and Saiyan Saga Vegeta probably would only beat Guldo, if that's even the case.

[otacon]

23 budakai is late dragon ball right? i think Yomi would be above that. yusuke of Hiei could beat Saiyan Saga SBZ charcters, who no more than mountain bust (vegeta blowing up the earth was hyperbole). I guese Namek Saga is another matter though. however I still feel that Hiei and Yusuke would be fast enough to bide Kurama time for smoke screen; and then anything can happen. and what about Yoko's death plants?

i just dont see the Ginyu force winning that easily, especially if Kurama can do smole screen and smapp plant seeds with rose whip. and what is the highest tanking abilities the Ginyu force has shown? (my DBZ knowledge is lacking)

[otacon]

I hate to bring this up, but S class demons were said to be planet busters. this is likely hyperbole, but a massive spirit gun or Dragon of darkness flame could definatel multimountain bust, maybe even moonbust. and I doubt the Ginyo force has durability or attack power MUCH higher than that. i mean even Frieza could bareley planet bust (he blasts the plantet and it takes like a million chapters to blow up).

speedwise they are pretty fast, but wouldnt Hiei be massively hypersonic as well?

i'll look at the yomi vs Goku thread in a moment

[Miles Edgeworth]

I hate to bring this up, but S class demons were said to be planet busters. this is likely hyperbole, but a massive spirit gun or Dragon of darkness flame could definatel multimountain bust, maybe even moonbust. and I doubt the Ginyo force has durability or attack power MUCH higher than that. i mean even Frieza could bareley planet bust (he blasts the plantet and it takes like a million chapters to blow up).

speedwise they are pretty fast, but wouldnt Hiei be massively hypersonic as well?

i'll look at the yomi vs Goku thread in a moment

Yes it is hyperbole.

LOL WUT? Give me proof that Spirit Gun and DoD can come close to multi mountain bust, let alone moon busting. There's no way.

Mostly due to PIS (I'm pretty sure he said the planet would blow up in a few minutes yet Goku had ample time to fight the guy, let him go, attack him again, find a ship, and escape with the ship. I forget if Freeza was at 100% power when he used the planet buster anyway, he might not have been.

I suppose moon level is reasonable for Ginyu Force, but there's no way anybody in Team Urameshi comes close to that.

I fail to see how anybody in Team Urameshi matches Raditz, let alone Ginyu Force.

[otacon]

moonbusting might be a stretch, but multi mountain busting is reasonable. Mukoro was slashing apart mountains with he dimentional slicing technique, and she could barely withstand DoD. also dark tournament DoD destroyed mountains near the arena. Kurama could gestroy mountains with the okaninju root (the attack he used against shigure), and when Yusuke was fighting Yomi, his spirit guns and Demons guns where destroying the entire country side.

speedwise I am not sure, but Hiei and Yusuke (and Yolo Kurama by powerscaling) chould be massively hypersonic.

yeah i think that would be enough to beat Radatz, and maybe even Sayin saga vegeta. the ginyu force might be a stretch (notive i never said they would win; just that they would put up a good fight), but I still feel that Kurama could outsmart and catch one or two orr guard with smokescreen, rose whip, and seeds, while Yusuke could spam attacks and Hiei could go to his Jaganshi form and use his hypnosis, which the Ginyuforce has never showed any resistence to

[Miles Edgeworth]

moonbusting might be a stretch, but multi mountain busting is reasonable. Mukoro was slashing apart mountains with he dimentional slicing technique, and she could barely withstand DoD. also dark tournament DoD destroyed mountains near the arena. Kurama could gestroy mountains with the okaninju root (the attack he used against shigure), and when Yusuke was fighting Yomi, his spirit guns and Demons guns where destroying the entire country side.

speedwise I am not sure, but Hiei and Yusuke (and Yolo Kurama by powerscaling) chould be massively hypersonic.

yeah i think that would be enough to beat Radatz, and maybe even Sayin saga vegeta. the ginyu force might be a stretch (notive i never said they would win; just that they would put up a good fight), but I still feel that Kurama could outsmart and catch one or two orr guard with smokescreen, rose whip, and seeds, while Yusuke could spam attacks and Hiei could go to his Jaganshi form and use his hypnosis, which the Ginyuforce has never showed any resistence to

Multi mountain busting? I still doubt that. Mukuro is superior to Team Urameshi, so what if she was damaged by DoD, perhaps she has more busting than durability, it still doesn't matter because moon level is still >Mukuro.

I've never seen Hiei demonstrate massive hypersonic feats. Hypersonic+ for sure but not massively hypersonic.

I highly doubt Kurama has anything to put down a member of the Ginyu Force. Intelligence is great and all but if you don't have time to land a good hit it's meaningless.

Yusuke spamming attacks does nothing to Ginyu Force.

Hypnosis? Highly doubtful, I'm pretty sure it only works on low level humans, cause if it didn't I'm sure he could've used it on Yusuke, that didn't happen. On top of that if the Jagan Eye is damaged Hiei is COMPLETELY blinded, that means the fastest fighter is screwed.

[otacon]

sounds reasonable

although I dont think that Mukuro>team urameshi. even though she beat Hiei, it was very close, and both fighters were not even goning all out due to, dare I say, 'love'for each other. neither Hiei not Mukuro displayed their full potential. and Yusuke was going evenly with Yomi.

still rose whip has alot of range, and I would not be suprised if Kurama (let alone Yoko) could at least graze somone and implant a seed.

hypnosis he never really used outside of season one. it likely had more potential, but it was never shown.

if the Ginu's are really massibely hypersonic and as powerful as you say, then I gues they would win. also they outnumber team urameshi

lastely, how much damage do you see Yoko's death plants and such doing?

[The 1st Hokage]

Just thinking about this,the OP has 1 on 1 matches.not ginyu vs. urameshi