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mrsticky005
01-29-2010, 06:45 PM
Madara will become Hokage by taking over The Foundation.
Madara will rule with an Iron Fist (and from how it blocked Suigetsu's sword. Perhaps literally). The Alliance will eventually falter to Madara's power. Sasuke might be the figure head Hokage but Madara will be
the "Man Behind the Curtain". Sasuke will be like Yagura Part 2.


Their will be a massive man-hunt to capture Naruto. Kakashi will be the
Hokage-in-exile (by the way this theory evolved from that one) But the
torch will be passed down to Naruto. Naruto in essence will become the
9th Hokage.


1st Hokage Hashirama Senju
2nd Hokage Tobirama Senju
3rd Hokage Hiruzen Sarutobi
4th Hokage Minato Namikaze
5th Hokage Tsunade
6th Hokage Danzo
7th Hokage Kakashi
8th Hokage Madara
9th Hokage Naruto


You thought the Pain Invasion was bad for Konoha?
It's gonna get worse with The Bloody Leaf courtesy of Madara.

Wooster
01-29-2010, 07:01 PM
I see two major problems with this theory.

First, why would the Foundation follow Madara especially if he just killed Danzo? It seems pretty clear that Danzo had some plans to stop Madara, so the remaining higher-ups in the Foundation would also be opposed to Madara. Unless you're suggesting Madara can do some sort-of mass genjutsu once he obtains Shisui's Sharingan. I suppose if he can control the next leader of the Foundation, Madara could have him/her control the rest of the Foundation.

Second, even if Madara could obtain control of the Foundation, why would the rest of Konoha follow him? It's different with Danzo in control, then at least Danzo was Konoha ninja in good standing. Madara is a danger to the whole world and Sasuke has been declared an enemy ninja, why would anyone follow either?

Now if Madara spares Danzo's life, Madara could probably use him as a figurehead. The cost of this bargain would be for Danzo to give Madara Shisui's Sharingan. With the loss of both his arm and Sharingan, Danzo would be much less dangerous, so it's possible Madara could control him.

Not to say that this wouldn't be interesting if it did occur.

mrsticky005
01-29-2010, 07:09 PM
I see two major problems with this theory.

First, why would the Foundation follow Madara especially if he just killed Danzo? It seems pretty clear that Danzo had some plans to stop Madara, so the remaining higher-ups in the Foundation would also be opposed to Madara. Unless you're suggesting Madara can do some sort-of mass genjutsu once he obtains Shisui's Sharingan. I suppose if he can control the next leader of the Foundation, Madara could have him/her control the rest of the Foundation.

Second, even if Madara could obtain control of the Foundation, why would the rest of Konoha follow him? It's different with Danzo in control, then at least Danzo was Konoha ninja in good standing. Madara is a danger to the whole world and Sasuke has been declared an enemy ninja, why would anyone follow either?

Now if Madara spares Danzo's life, Madara could probably use him as a figurehead. The cost of this bargain would be for Danzo to give Madara Shisui's Sharingan. With the loss of both his arm and Sharingan, Danzo would be much less dangerous, so it's possible Madara could control him.

Not to say that this wouldn't be interesting if it did occur.


Madara is going to get Shisui's Sharingan. He said so in Chapter 480.
Madara doesn't need to Genjutsu ALL of The Foundation but simply
just the higher ups. It would be interesting if Madara left Danzo alive
to be the figure head. That would be a real blow to Danzo's character.

If Madara brain washes the higher ups of The Foundation then he's
got the cat in the bag because Foundation members aren't too outspoken.

Madara will take over the rest of Konoha by force. There's going to be a civil war between The Foundation and The Rest of Konoha.

It's gonna be epic.

Wooster
01-29-2010, 07:19 PM
Madara is going to get Shisui's Sharingan. He said so in Chapter 480.
Madara doesn't need to Genjutsu ALL of The Foundation but simply
just the higher ups. It would be interesting if Madara left Danzo alive
to be the figure head. That would be a real blow to Danzo's character.

If Madara brain washes the higher ups of The Foundation then he's
got the cat in the bag because Foundation members aren't too outspoken.

Madara will take over the rest of Konoha by force. There's going to be a civil war between The Foundation and The Rest of Konoha.

It's gonna be epic.
But so far from what we've seen, Shisui's eye can only control one person. Of course, Madara does have the advantage that he has already captured two of the highest rank. I guess the third is hunting Kabuto right now. I agree that if the rest of the Foundation is like Sai was, there would be no problem getting them to follow orders.

I still think only having the Foundation members probably wouldn't be enough to make a serious attack on Konoha. Unless you are suggesting Danzo's training method is much better than the rest of Konoha. I guess it could be a good distraction, paticularly if it's guerrilla warfare. That way Madara and Sasuke can go after Naruto while everyone else is trying defend against a threat of unknown origin.

mrsticky005
01-29-2010, 07:33 PM
But so far from what we've seen, Shisui's eye can only control one person. Of course, Madara does have the advantage that he has already captured two of the highest rank. I guess the third is hunting Kabuto right now. I agree that if the rest of the Foundation is like Sai was, there would be no problem getting them to follow orders.

If Madara has BOTH of Shisui's eyes then it will be probably twice as effective if not more. Also Madara is of the Uchiha clan unlike Danzo.
I think Sai even when in robot mode was the least robot like of The Foundation.

I still think only having the Foundation members probably wouldn't be enough to make a serious attack on Konoha. Unless you are suggesting Danzo's training method is much better than the rest of Konoha. I guess it could be a good distraction, paticularly if it's guerilla warfare. That way Madara and Sasuke can go after Naruto while every else is trying defend against a threat of unknown origin.

Think of it like this. 1. It wouldn't be expected 2. Did you see what the six paths of pain did...and that was 6 people 3. Anbu and The Foundation are
supposed to be the elite ninja. 4. there will be plenty of guerrilla warfare
5. They are more experience fighters it seems.

If Madara takes over Konoha the rest of the alliance will falter.

Vivi
01-29-2010, 07:38 PM
Think of it like this. 1. It wouldn't be expected 2. Did you see what the six paths of pain did...and that was 6 people 3. Anbu and The Foundation are
supposed to be the elite ninja. 4. there will be plenty of guerrilla warfare
5. They are more experience fighters it seems.

If Madara takes over Konoha the rest of the alliance will falter.

Killerbee invades Konoha Interview.

mrsticky005
01-29-2010, 07:47 PM
Killerbee invades Konoha Interview.

If Madara takes over it will give a LOT more credit to Killer Bee invading.

If Killer Bee invades Madara Occupied Konoha he will skyrocket in popularity.

Well at least with me.

kay
01-29-2010, 07:49 PM
if this will happen {which i highly doubt}
there is no way that the other nations would just sit by as the stronget village in their alliance gets taken over by the enemy

mrsticky005
01-29-2010, 07:52 PM
if this will happen {which i highly doubt}
there is no way that the other nations would just sit by as the stronget village in their alliance gets taken over by the enemy

Of course they wouldn't stand by. But Madara is a crafty old man.
He'll probably target weaker villages and get them to join creating
strength in numbers. Eventually Madara is going to be a real threat.

Wooster
01-29-2010, 07:53 PM
Think of it like this. 1. It wouldn't be expected 2. Did you see what the six paths of pain did...and that was 6 people 3. Anbu and The Foundation are
supposed to be the elite ninja. 4. there will be plenty of guerrilla warfare
5. They are more experience fighters it seems.

If Madara takes over Konoha the rest of the alliance will falter.
I still think there is a number problem. The Foundation are definitley elite, but let's assume total members would be the same as Tsunade's personal ANBU. Then there is still all the rest of ANBU and other jounin. And we've seen Kakashi easily put two members under genjutsu. Of course, Kakashi is former ANBU and probably better than any current member. We can assume most Foundation members are like Sai, which is strong, but not overwhelming. I think Foundation members would mostly be designed to be covert spies and assassins(you know like real ninja), that's Danzo's style. In otherwords, they probably couldn't win an all-out war.

Now a surprise attack would help. We can also assume very few Foundation members were injuried during the Pain attack since they were hiding, so that may help as well. Still, the best I can see is asymmetrical warfare used to weaken Konoha not take it over.

mrsticky005
01-29-2010, 07:55 PM
I still think there is a number problem. The Foundation are definitley elite, but let's assume total members would be the same as Tsunade's personal ANBU. Then there is still all the rest of ANBU and other jounin. And we've seen Kakashi easy put two members under genjutsu. Of course, Kakashi is former ANBU and probably better than any current member. We can assume most Foundation members are like Sai, which is strong, but not overwhelming. I think Foundation members would mostly be designed to be covert spies and assassins(you know like real ninja), that's Danzo's style. In otherwords, they probably couldn't win an all-out war.

Now a surprise attack would help. We can also assume very few Foundation members were injuried during the Pain attack since they were hiding, so that may help as well. Still, the best I can see is asymmetrical warfare used to weaken Konoha not take it over.


Madara somehow became Mizukage. Whatever he did back then
he's going to do again.

Wooster
01-29-2010, 07:57 PM
Madara somehow became Mizukage. Whatever he did back then
he's going to do again.
At first, I assume he took on another persona developed over many years. He can't do that it a reasonable amount of time.
Later, he controlled their Mizukage. Madara needs to control a Hokage. Maybe Kakashi?:shock:

Cobrinha
01-29-2010, 07:59 PM
Madara will become Hokage by taking over The Foundation.
Madara will rule with an Iron Fist (and from how it blocked Suigetsu's sword. Perhaps literally). The Alliance will eventually falter to Madara's power. Sasuke might be the figure head Hokage but Madara will be
the "Man Behind the Curtain". Sasuke will be like Yagura Part 2.


Their will be a massive man-hunt to capture Naruto. Kakashi will be the
Hokage-in-exile (by the way this theory evolved from that one) But the
torch will be passed down to Naruto. Naruto in essence will become the
9th Hokage.


1st Hokage Hashirama Senju
2nd Hokage Tobirama Senju
3rd Hokage Hiruzen Sarutobi
4th Hokage Minato Namikaze
5th Hokage Tsunade
6th Hokage Danzo
7th Hokage Kakashi
8th Hokage Madara
9th Hokage Naruto


You thought the Pain Invasion was bad for Konoha?
It's gonna get worse with The Bloody Leaf courtesy of Madara.


But so far from what we've seen, Shisui's eye can only control one person. Of course, Madara does have the advantage that he has already captured two of the highest rank. I guess the third is hunting Kabuto right now. I agree that if the rest of the Foundation is like Sai was, there would be no problem getting them to follow orders.

I still think only having the Foundation members probably wouldn't be enough to make a serious attack on Konoha. Unless you are suggesting Danzo's training method is much better than the rest of Konoha. I guess it could be a good distraction, paticularly if it's guerilla warfare. That way Madara and Sasuke can go after Naruto while everyone else is trying defend against a threat of unknown origin.

Also, isn't Sasuke just using the Akatsuki (which is just Madara and Zetsu now). I mean Sasuke will follow Madara's orders, we've seen that already, but to what extent? Unless Sasuke feels it will be benificial to his task, then I doubt he'll go along with it. Sasuke couldn't care less about Naruto, the kyubi, or any of the biju for that matter. I can't imaging him wanting to rule over Konoha either. He only wanted to kill Danzo and the elder's (I believe he later said he also wanted to destroy Konoha, but Pain beat him to it).

First, Sasuke just wated to avenge his clan and kill Itachi. Then he found out the truth about Itachi and now just wants to avenge him. Even though Madara is an Uchiha, I doubt Sasuke cares about him or his agenda and would kill him given the opportunity and the knowledge how to.

Vivi
01-29-2010, 08:01 PM
Yes, he controled their Mizukage. Madara needs to control a Hokage. Maybe Kakashi?:shock:

Houyi Mythology:
Houyi was ordered to arch down 10 suns.
After that he became King.But a Tyrant.

Also seeking Immortality.

mrsticky005
01-29-2010, 08:05 PM
At first, I assume he took on another persona developed over many years. He can't do that it a reasonable amount of time.
Later, he controled their Mizukage. Madara needs to control a Hokage. Maybe Kakashi?:shock:

Well I was expecting Sasuke to fulfill the Yagura role since Madara
already has him in his clutches.


Also, isn't Sasuke just using the Akatsuki (which is just Madara and Zetsu now). I mean Sasuke will follow Madara's orders, we've seen that already, but to what extent? Unless Sasuke feels it will be benificial to his task, then I doubt he'll go along with it. Sasuke couldn't care less about Naruto, the kyubi, or any of the biju for that matter. I can't imaging him wanting to rule over Konoha either. He only wanted to kill Danzo and the elder's (I believe he later said he also wanted to destroy Konoha, but Pain beat him to it).

First, Sasuke just wated to avenge his clan and kill Itachi. Then he found out the truth about Itachi and now just wants to avenge him. Even though Madara is an Uchiha, I doubt Sasuke cares about him or his agenda and would kill him given the opportunity and the knowledge how to.

I'm hoping that Sasuke gets common sense and DOES betray Akatsuki
but it's not looking that way right now. Right now he's Madara's dog.

Houyi Mythology:
Houyi was ordered to arch down 10 suns.
After that he became King.But a Tyrant.

Well that would fit in with Sasuke becoming the new Yagura.

Wooster
01-29-2010, 08:07 PM
Houyi Mythology:
Houyi was ordered to arch down 10 suns.
After that he became King.But a Tyrant.
Okay... Do you want me to interpret your cryptic message?
I assume the archer is Sasuke. So is he is going to be the Hokage? Obviously a tyrant because right now he is Sasuke the Insane. Edit: Never mind mrsticky already did.


Well I was expecting Sasuke to fulfill the Yagura role since Madara
already has him in his clutches.

Yes, but how do you make Sasuke the Insane a Hokage, he is a worldwide criminal. Madara needs a Hokage that Konoha would accept, then he can control them.

mrsticky005
01-29-2010, 08:10 PM
Okay... Do you want me to interpret your cryptic message?
I assume the archer is Sasuke. So is he is going to be the Hokage? Obviously a tyrant because right now he is Sasuke the Insane.


That's what it's looking like. I think Sasuke could actually go along with such a plan because it would help him get revenge. If he became a tyrant he could make an example of those who (he thinks) mistreated Uchiha.

Wooster
01-29-2010, 08:14 PM
That's what it's looking like. I think Sasuke could actually go along with such a plan because it would help him get revenge. If he became a tyrant he could make an example of those who (he thinks) mistreated Uchiha.
Bah! You're quoting me too fast. What are you Kakashi to my Zabuza?
But how do you make Sasuke the Insane Hokage? Most kings only get that title after they become king.

mrsticky005
01-29-2010, 08:18 PM
Bah! You're quoting me too fast. What are you Kakashi to my Zabuza?
But how do you make Sasuke the Insane Hokage? Most kings only get that title after they become king.


Hm that's a good question and well I've got no idea. I can't have ALL
the answers for Kishimoto, now can I?


Well even if my theory doesn't come true hopefully Kishimoto will
come up with something BETTER and not worse.

Oh and I think you were about to say something about...

Ox → Monkey → Hare → Rat → Boar → Rooster → Ox → Horse → Rooster → Rat → Tiger → Dog → Tiger → Snake → Ox → Sheep → Snake → Boar → Sheep → Rat → Monkey → Rooster → Dragon → Rooster → Ox → Horse → Sheep → Tiger → Snake → Boar → Rat → Monkey → Hare → Boar → Dragon → Sheep → Rat → Ox → Monkey → Rooster → Boar → Rat → Snake → Rooster


:)

Wooster
01-29-2010, 08:20 PM
Hm that's a good question and well I've got no idea. I can't have ALL
the answers for Kishimoto, now can I?


Well even if my theory doesn't come true hopefully Kishimoto will
come up with something BETTER and not worse.

Oh and I think you were about to say something about...

Ox → Monkey → Hare → Rat → Boar → Rooster → Ox → Horse → Rooster → Rat → Tiger → Dog → Tiger → Snake → Ox → Sheep → Snake → Boar → Sheep → Rat → Monkey → Rooster → Dragon → Rooster → Ox → Horse → Sheep → Tiger → Snake → Boar → Rat → Monkey → Hare → Boar → Dragon → Sheep → Rat → Ox → Monkey → Rooster → Boar → Rat → Snake → Rooster


:)
That's the jutsu I was going to do, but mrsticky did it first. NOOOOO!

Oh wait, actually I was going to say the best Kishimoto coud have done is have Danzo split Konoha, but apparently that's too cool for him. Bet you didn't see that Haku edit coming.

Double Edit: Restoring mrsticky's cleverness.

mrsticky005
01-29-2010, 08:23 PM
That's the jutsu I was going to do, but mrsticky did it first. NOOOOO! That mrsticky is just a monkey mimicking me!


Your future is....

Awesome!

Wooster
01-29-2010, 08:30 PM
Your future is....

Awesome!
HaHa. Now no one will know how clever you are. Well except for me. Hint: look at my last post.
Wait, maybe that's what you wanted me to do. Not again!

Edit: Don't worry I have restored your ability to put words in my mouth.

mrsticky005
01-29-2010, 08:43 PM
HaHa. Now no one will know how clever you are. Well except for me. Hint: look at my last post.
Wait, maybe that's what you wanted me to do. Not again!


P
=oP
b


Too bad you just got NINJA HOUNDED!

(Look sideways it's a puppy)

anywho with Sasuke vs Danzo drawing to a near I hope we get some more stuff where we learn things.

Wooster
01-29-2010, 08:49 PM
P
=oP
b


Too bad you just got NINJA HOUNDED!

(Look sideways it's a puppy)

anywho with Sasuke vs Danzo drawing to a near I hope we get some more stuff where we learn things.
No, I am sure the next chapter will be Sasuke and Danzo in a staring contest. No words what-so-ever.

mrsticky005
01-29-2010, 08:51 PM
No, I am sure the next chapter will be Sasuke and Danzo in a staring contest. No words what-so-ever.


Is it just me or did Danzo look rather disappointing with Shisui's eye
compare to when he first showcased it and was all crazy damaged?

Wooster
01-29-2010, 09:08 PM
Is it just me or did Danzo look rather disappointing with Shisui's eye
compare to when he first showcased it and was all crazy damaged?
Danzo just didn't want to upstage Sasuke the Insane's debut. Don't worry Danzo will activate Shisui's eye, and look crazy in no time.

Memitim
01-29-2010, 09:10 PM
hmm interesting theory, you always have good theorys mrstickybuns

mrsticky005
01-30-2010, 01:45 PM
Danzo just didn't want to upstage Sasuke the Insane's debut. Don't worry Danzo will activate Shisui's eye, and look crazy in no time.

Danzo already has Shisui's eye activated. He just hasn't use any
Shisui eye jutsus yet.

hmm interesting theory, you always have good theorys mrstickybuns

Thanks

Wooster
01-30-2010, 01:48 PM
Danzo already has Shisui's eye activated. He just hasn't use any
Shisui eye jutsus yet.
Yes, that's essentially what I meant. The last time Danzo's Sharingan looked crazy, he was using it against those dummy ninja.

mrsticky005
01-30-2010, 01:56 PM
Yes, that's essentially what I meant. The last time Danzo's Sharingan looked crazy, he was using it against those dummy ninja.


I think perhaps it was just the shading of the bandages that caused him
to look so insane. But still talk about a let down. The crazy eye would fit.

Wooster
01-30-2010, 03:05 PM
I think perhaps it was just the shading of the bandages that caused him
to look so insane. But still talk about a let down. The crazy eye would fit.
It would look ever so perfect next to Sasuke's other exquisite, crazy Sharingan.

mrsticky005
01-30-2010, 03:27 PM
It would look ever so perfect next to Sasuke's other exquisite, crazy Sharingan.


I wonder if there was a point to Sasuke having only sharnigan activated
other than to look cool.

Wooster
01-30-2010, 03:28 PM
I wonder if there was a point to Sasuke having only sharnigan activated
other than to look cool.
I think that's it. And maybe to emphasis he is almost out of chakra.

mrsticky005
01-30-2010, 03:39 PM
I think that's it. And maybe to emphasis he is almost out of chakra.

Hmm yeah that's a good guess. Wonder if it's he gonna go blind now.


I really want Madara to get the Shisui eye and not Sasuke.

Wooster
01-30-2010, 03:42 PM
Hmm yeah that's a good guess. Wonder if it's he gonna go blind now.


I really want Madara to get the Shisui eye and not Sasuke.
Well since Madara wants Shisui's eye, I will assume he gets it. If Sasuke wants Shisui's eye, Madara only needs to say,"Well why didn't you take Itachi's eyes, dumb-dumb."

mrsticky005
01-30-2010, 04:19 PM
Well since Madara wants Shisui's eye, I will assume he gets it. If Sasuke wants Shisui's eye, Madara only needs to say,"Well why didn't you take Itachi's eyes, dumb-dumb."


Well the early translation had Madara say that he would Shisui's eye
for Sasuke but the newer ones say that he'll get Shisui's eye for himself.
The latter one makes more sense since Madara ultimately wants himself
to become more powerful and not Sasuke. (Sasuke is just a tool to do that.)

Wooster
01-30-2010, 05:40 PM
Well the early translation had Madara say that he would Shisui's eye
for Sasuke but the newer ones say that he'll get Shisui's eye for himself.
The latter one makes more sense since Madara ultimately wants himself
to become more powerful and not Sasuke. (Sasuke is just a tool to do that.)
Well, also the current Mizukage said that Shisui's eye might have been used to control the Fourth Mizukage. I doubt Danzo was involved in that, so Madara probably knows something about Shisui's eyes.

mrsticky005
01-30-2010, 05:48 PM
Well, also the current Mizukage said that Shisui's eye might have been used to control the Fourth Mizukage. I doubt Danzo was involved in that, so Madara probably knows something about Shisui's eyes.

Yeah Danzo controlling Mizukage just doesn't make any sense. Konoha would
be wondering why he's missing all the time.

Wooster
01-30-2010, 05:58 PM
Yeah Danzo controlling Mizukage just doesn't make any sense. Konoha would
be wondering why he's missing all the time.
Heh. Well no wonder we didn't see Danzo until Chapter 281, he was visiting "friends" in Kirigakure.

mrsticky005
01-30-2010, 06:03 PM
Heh. Well no wonder we didn't see Danzo until Chapter 281, he was visiting "friends" in Kirigakure.


Doubt it.

It makes so much more sense for the one controlling Yagura

to be Madara or Shisui when you consider Madara was the Mizukage

and Shisui fought Ao.

Wooster
01-30-2010, 06:08 PM
Doubt it.

It makes so much more sense for the one controlling Yagura

to be Madara or Shisui when you consider Madara was the Mizukage

and Shisui fought Ao.
Well the biggest flaw with my theory is...




...Danzo doesn't have friends.

mrsticky005
01-30-2010, 06:27 PM
Well the biggest flaw with my theory is...




...Danzo doesn't have friends.



Yeah maybe that's why Danzo seems so grumpy. He just needs a hug.

Rezeon
01-31-2010, 11:40 AM
I think it is an unlikely course for the story to take, but it has a a few plausible aspects.


It isn't that unbelievable to think that the Foundation would have had enough strength and preperation to seize control of the Leaf village, it was Danzo's original plan for becoming Hokage afterall.

The only reason we didn't see that after the Pain fight was because Tsunade was out of comission and Danzo had the opportunity to gain the Hokage position through more passive means.

Although, I do think that he was probably counting on the other elders backing his coup d'etat... They were getting pretty vocal in their opposition to Tsunade's obvious Naruto fangirl status. (honestly, the elders were making valid points during most of those arguements) Not to mention Danzo probably had enough dirt on each of them to blackmail them into supporting him.


A couple problems have grown that make it seem less likely for Madara to exploit Danzo's preperations.

1- Danzo was banking on Pain crippling the villages defenses before he made his move. When you factor in Pain reviving everyone that died, and the time that has elapsed for people to rest and heal, the odds become less favorable for a coup.

2- With Danzo gone, the Foundation would lack a real figurehead with any credibility in the village. Judging by what we've seen, everyone else in the Foundation is a masked no-name orphan with a serious lack of social skills. You can't simply rely on force to hold an entire village of ninja's in line, they would try to fight back the first chance they had. You need somebody that can hold their willing support once the strongest opposition has been dealt with.


Sadly, with Danzo's fate looking grim, the Foundation probably won't be able to survive on its own. I'm thinking a more likely scenario for them to remain relevant at this point would be the Foundation members being exiled and forced to work as mercenaries.

mrsticky005
01-31-2010, 01:53 PM
I think it is an unlikely course for the story to take, but it has a a few plausible aspects.


It isn't that unbelievable to think that the Foundation would have had enough strength and preperation to seize control of the Leaf village, it was Danzo's original plan for becoming Hokage afterall.

The only reason we didn't see that after the Pain fight was because Tsunade was out of comission and Danzo had the opportunity to gain the Hokage position through more passive means.

Although, I do think that he was probably counting on the other elders backing his coup d'etat... They were getting pretty vocal in their opposition to Tsunade's obvious Naruto fangirl status. (honestly, the elders were making valid points during most of those arguements) Not to mention Danzo probably had enough dirt on each of them to blackmail them into supporting him.


A couple problems have grown that make it seem less likely for Madara to exploit Danzo's preperations.

1- Danzo was banking on Pain crippling the villages defenses before he made his move. When you factor in Pain reviving everyone that died, and the time that has elapsed for people to rest and heal, the odds become less favorable for a coup.

2- With Danzo gone, the Foundation would lack a real figurehead with any credibility in the village. Judging by what we've seen, everyone else in the Foundation is a masked no-name orphan with a serious lack of social skills. You can't simply rely on force to hold an entire village of ninja's in line, they would try to fight back the first chance they had. You need somebody that can hold their willing support once the strongest opposition has been dealt with.


Sadly, with Danzo's fate looking grim, the Foundation probably won't be able to survive on its own. I'm thinking a more likely scenario for them to remain relevant at this point would be the Foundation members being exiled and forced to work as mercenaries.

I can understand why that would be a problem for Danzo...

but what about Madara?

Rezeon
01-31-2010, 02:16 PM
Err... it would be a problem because nobody in the leaf village would just bow down and obey some random flunky puppet that Madara sent there. That includes Sasuke, since most of the village except Naruto already wants to have him dealt with.

Even if you factor in the potential for mind control it would require to many people to be under its influence for taking over an entire village of highly trained ninjas. At that rate you might as well just be mind controlling everyone.

The reason it worked for Madara and the Mist village was because he was controlling the established leader of that village. People had already pledged their support to the Mizukage and were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt even if they suspected something was going on behind the scenes. The Leaf village is in a state of transition with its leadership so there isn't an established power base for Madara to exploit.

Madara just doesn't have many viable options for making it work right now. This idea suffers more for a lack of poor timing than anything else.

mrsticky005
01-31-2010, 02:29 PM
Err... it would be a problem because nobody in the leaf village would just bow down and obey some random flunky puppet that Madara sent there. That includes Sasuke, since most of the village except Naruto already wants to have him dealt with.

Even if you factor in the potential for mind control it would require to many people to be under its influence for taking over an entire village of highly trained ninjas. At that rate you might as well just be mind controlling everyone.

The reason it worked for Madara and the Mist village was because he was controlling the established leader of that village. People had already pledged their support to the Mizukage and were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt even if they suspected something was going on behind the scenes. The Leaf village is in a state of transition with its leadership so there isn't an established power base for Madara to exploit.

Madara just doesn't have many viable options for making it work right now. This idea suffers more for a lack of poor timing than anything else.

I'm suggesting Madara will take over Konoha by force.

NarutoUzumaki12
01-31-2010, 04:00 PM
for some reason i get the feeling like something like this will happen

mrsticky005
01-31-2010, 04:59 PM
for some reason i get the feeling like something like this will happen


If it does then this is a virtual guarantee for a part 3 since such a event
would be so huge it would require a brand new series.