Nami (Current) v. Luffy (Captain Morgan Arc)

[C4 Karura]

Alright, I'm pretty curious about this one. I'm pretty convinced Nami would win, but I'm usually wrong about everything in the Battledome. I'm not totally caught up to the manga, but even with her Alabasta abilities, I think it's close. Here's why:

Even in Alabasta, she able to move at "Faster Than The Human Eye Can See" speed. Luffy didn't have feats anywhere near that in the Captain Morgan Arc. Basically, Luffy can't touch her. I don't know if she could hurt him, though. He survives a fall from what must be at least five stories. I have no idea if sending him through two solid walls would hurt him. However, I'm assuming her attacks got stronger in the CP9 Saga.

So, you tell me: Has one of the weaker main characters finally caught up to where the main one was at the start of the series, or is she still too weak?

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Still to weak. Her best attack is either lightning based (doesn't work, since Luffy's rubber) or a tornado, which is blunt trauma, which also doesn't work. Luffy still has better durability and strength than her, so she can't do all that much. Honestly, Luffy needs one attack to knock her out cold. Nami can't even hurt him. All she can do is Mirage Tempo for a few hours until Luffy gets bored and starts swinging his fists around in a circle.

[The Demon Zabuza]

Not a chance.

Nami's strongest attack relies on electricity, and as Enel proved that has no effect on Luffy whatsoever. And blunt force attacks wouldn't work on him, by that time he had already tanked Alvida's club without a scrach. I know it was a fairly weak attack, but it was a fairly hefty chunk of metal

And IIRC Luffy bullet timed in that arc (may have been anime only, it's been ages since I read early OP), making him faster than anything current Nami has shown.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Not a chance.

Nami's strongest attack relies on electricity, and as Enel proved that has no effect on Luffy whatsoever. And blunt force attacks wouldn't work on him, by that time he had already tanked Alvida's club without a scrach. I know it was a fairly weak attack, but it was a fairly hefty chunk of metal

And IIRC Luffy bullet timed in that arc (may have been anime only, it's been ages since I read early OP), making him faster than anything current Nami has shown.
That was anime only. In the manga he just ran towards the bullets and a bunch missed. The rest bounced back. He did, however, dodge a bunch of Morgan's attacks. Those could arguably be 'faster than the eye can see' since they were basically just blurs. Either way, Nami has no way of injuring Luffy at all.

[C4 Karura]

Grr... I'm annoyed that Oda still refuses to make one of the female characters in the current manga on the same level that the main male was at the beginning. Any of the male members of the crew, even Usopp, could probably win against Luffy at the beginning. (I think, since I know from spoilers that they fight, and he does well.) But becuase Nami's a girl she couldn't possibly be close to Luffy's most basic level. (Or it could just be becuase of lightning not working on him.)

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Grr... I'm annoyed that Oda still refuses to make one of the female characters in the current manga on the same level that the main male was at the beginning. Any of the male members of the crew, even Usopp, could probably win against Luffy at the beginning. (I think, since I know from spoilers that they fight, and he does well.) But becuase Nami's a girl she couldn't possibly be close to Luffy's most basic level. (Or it could just be becuase of lightning not working on him.)

Hancock could probably win against Luffy, Nico as well with distance, likely Emporio and also Kalifa as well.

[Nyruss]

Most female characters in the series are superior to First Arc Luffy.

[C4 Karura]

Ok... Then I'm just frusterated that Nami's still weak.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Nami isn't meant to be a fighter at all. She's meant to be a navigator, thief, treasurer, and the common sense of the crew. She only fights when she absolutely has to, although with her new staff she's actually pretty good. She mostly loses due to the fact that none of her attacks actually work on Luffy. If it makes you feel any better she stomps Captain Morgan.

And someone said Hancock might have a chance. I'm pretty sure she actually stomps him. She can turn people to stone if they're "in love" with her, but she can also do so by physical contact and her "heart bombs". Luffy turns to stone and dies.

[Nyruss]

Hancock is noted to have taken out several Pacifista, which puts her destructive abilities WAAAAAAAAAAY above anything Luffy has ever shown for durability.

Same for Ivankov, who was ROFLstomping Kuma.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Hancock is noted to have taken out several Pacifista, which puts her destructive abilities WAAAAAAAAAAY above anything Luffy has ever shown for durability.

Same for Ivankov, who was ROFLstomping Kuma.
When was he/ she roflstomping Kuma? He/ She only Death Winked him a billion times, where he then stood up and shot lazers at him/ her. Kuma wasn't even phased. He just got knocked around a bit.

[Nyruss]

An unnamed kick from Ivankov sent Kuma flying, which is more than can be said for any attack used on him previously. The effects of Galaxy Wink weren't really shown, but he looks to be taking some damage, considering he's not tanking it.

After that I don't think their fight was given any attention and they were presumably seperated when Whitebeard rocked the island.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

An unnamed kick from Ivankov sent Kuma flying, which is more than can be said for any attack used on him previously. The effects of Galaxy Wink weren't really shown, but he looks to be taking some damage, considering he's not tanking it.

After that I don't think their fight was given any attention and they were presumably seperated when Whitebeard rocked the island.
True, although I still feel like Kuma felt nothing (even though he's just a robot now, and robot's don't feel). I guarantee you that if the two of them were to REALLY fight he'd own Ivankov.

[Nyruss]

Based on feats, probably. Based on hype, definitely(lol lightspeed). Based on powerscaling...arguable.

[C4 Karura]

Hancock could probably win against Luffy, Nico as well with distance, likely Emporio and also Kalifa as well.
Against Current Luffy or Beginning Luffy?

[Nyruss]

By powerscaling, Hancock could stomp current Luffy easily, as could Iva.

[C4 Karura]

What's powerscaling?

[Nyruss]

Estimating a character's true powers based on standing in comparison to other characters and known feats.

[C4 Karura]

Hmmm... Ok. Thanks.

[321zigzag1]

Poor Nami.

Estimating a character's true powers based on standing in comparison to other characters and known feats.

But powerscaling is totally irrelevent because its pure speculatory as quoted from one. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2z7exox.png