Sasuke[Post-K.B.]/Kirin vs. Jiraiya [Post-Pain]

[[Shikamaru]]

K.B. meaning Post-killer bee battle.

Basically, Sasuke with weak MS Genjutsu and Amy. No Susanno yet of course.

Location 1: Konoha forest [Speed Equalized] Jiraiya allowed only 1 summon. No MS Genjutsu.

Location 2: 3 tailed-lake [Seperate Normal Speeds] No Underworld Swamp.

Loaction 3: Desert [Speed Equalized] No MS or Normal Genjutsu, no summons or Underworld Swamp.

[[Shikamaru]]

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anyone?

[The 1st Hokage]

Jiraiya wins scenario 1

Sasuke wins scenario 2

scenario 3 is a dead tie

Scene 1:Jiraiya summons Bunta and squishes,burns,or rasengans sasuke to oblivion

Scene 2:Sasuke wins with MS genjutsu and multi kinds of chidori and kirin.he also has a bit of a speed advantage

Scene 3:With equel speed,no Genjutsu,summons,or underworld swamp,chidori-rasengan clash all day long

[[Shikamaru]]

I disagree.

Sasuke could defeat Jiraiya in scene one. Simply because he could use his normal Sharingan genjutsu to manipulate Bunta's actions, turning him against Jiraiya.

Seemingly, making him powerless.

Scene three Sasuke would win also, without summons Jiraiya has no way to negate normal Sharingan genjutsu, seeing how he doesn't have a partner to brake him out.

Scene two Sasuke also wins seeing how he is considered faster, has both Amy and MS Genjutsu to control summons, and Kirin to heal and find Jiraiya anywhere.

Bottom line, Jiraiya is powerless seeing how his only defense against Genjutsu is sharing chakra with Bunta, which can be controlled by Sasuke's normal Sharingan Genjutsu. He's also slower then Sasuke, and when speed is equalized, Sasuke's sharingan would still make him superior.

Basically, Jiraiya has no chance against Sasuke's Genjutsu.
Amy would also roflstomp Jiraiya at start.

Although bloodlusted Jiraiya would simply Underworld Swamp Sasuke into oblivion. But, considering his attitude, he would never use that ninjutsu on a single target battle.

[Slack 40]

ummmmm well i think by saying post pain battle for jiraiya u mean he doesn't have sage mode but when he enters sage mode he says he doesn't like to use sage mode because it "displeases the ladies" implying that he's used it before.
1. jiraiya he can seal ammy with fire sealing method because sasuke's ammy is weak. he can rasengan or niddle jizo the crap outta sasuke or use his other combos and eventually summon the toad mouth jutsu thingy after sasuke uses ammy so much that he is low on chakra
2. jiraiya uses afew summons to hold of sasuke untill he can go into sage mode where he'd roflstomp sasuke to the world of bad plot change kinda a 50/50 though
3. this ones more 70/30 (in favor of jiraiya) becuz even though rasengan and chidori are equaled up jiraiya can use double rasengan and needle jizo and lions mane are alot faster.

Shikamaru i think that your underestimating jiraiya and over estimating sasuke while he uses sharingan on one of jiraiya's summons jiraiya can get behind him and uses odama rasengan, Jiraiya isn't that slow eather
By saying jiraiya is powerless aganst sasuke thats almost like saying sasuke can beat the animal human and the preta path. I think jiraiya could beat pain if the preta was switched with the naraka path so it couldnt' heal the others after the genjutsu although he'd probably be beat by the deva path

[The 1st Hokage]

Don't forget about Frog Song and on 3 you saids no MS or normal genjutsu

[[Shikamaru]]

Don't forget about Frog Song and on 3 you saids no MS or normal genjutsu
Ah, true. Sasuke can still use Amy or speed blitz Jiraiya in base, seeing how speed is equalized, and Sasuke is superior in Taijutsu, consdiering he has Sharingan.

Frog song could work, but summoning Ma and Pa doesn't work for one or three.

On two, Sasuke can simply use genjutsu to destroy Jiraiya before he summoned Ma or Pa. Not to mention Jiraiya would even start with summoning those two anyway, he'd never use it at start. By the time he realized he needed to use them in order to defeat Sasuke, he would already have been under genjutsu, or burned by Amy. Jiraiya would summon Gama, Sasuke would take control of him and thus attack Jiraiya with his own beast. While all of this is happening, Sasuke can Amy or use MS genjutsu at any point.

It would work if Jiraiya could summon without Sasuke's genjutsu or MS being in the equation. But if Sasuke doesn't get MS, then Jiraiya doesn't get to summon super powerful frogs either.