Danzou vs Hidan and Kakuzu

[otacon]

bloodlusted

location: where Kakashi fought Kakuzu

Kakuzu starts with his hearts out, and Danzou starts with his sharingarm out and unsealed

who wins?

[crystalblade13]

hmmm....tuff, but i dont think danzo has shown what it takes to kill kakuzu yet and kakuzu could constrict him while hidan got his blood and kills him over and over until his eyes close. however,with the reveal of an new uber technique from danzo this week, that all could change.

[321zigzag1]

Danzo lacks strong offensive moves to put down Kakuzu.

[deidara330]

Danzo has shown to be faster than both Kakuzu and Hidan with the Sharingarm unsealed. Danzo, using Shisui's dojutsu, could take control of Kakuzu's thoughts before Kakuzu could attack him. Kakuzu is bloodlusted, and already has enough hatred for Hidan, so it would be easy to convince him to attack Hidan. Kakuzu, under Danzo's influence, would fire all of his elemental attacks at Hidan, and Danzo would use Wind Style: Vacuum Wave to decapitate Hidan. Hidan has no way to defend against this, and therefore would lose. Then, Danzo would take out each of Kakuzu's hearts one by one, and using his Mind Controling dojutsu, Kakuzu would just sit there while Danzo eliminated him. Either that, or Danzo has Kakuzu waste all of his chakra attacking any surrounding inanimate objects. Neither Kakuzu nor Hidan can stop Danzo from taking control of Kakuzu's mind, and if they try to attack him before he does, he can use his advantage in speed to avoid their attacks and take control of Kakuzu. It's likely that Danzo could win this without losing a single drop of blood.

[321zigzag1]

Danzo has shown to be faster than both Kakuzu and Hidan with the Sharingarm unslealed. Danzo, using Shisui's dojutsu, could take control of Kakuzu's thoughts before Kakuzu could attack him. Kakuzu is bloodlusted, and already has enough hatred for Hidan, so it would be easy to convince him to attack Hidan. Kakuzu, under Danzo's influence, would fire all of his elemental attacks at Kakuzu, and Danzo would use Wind Style: Vacuum Wave to decapitate Hidan. Hidan has no way to defend against this, and therefore would lose. Then, Danzo would take out each of Kakuzu's hearts one by one, and using his Mind Controling dojutsu, Kakuzu would just sit there while Danzo eliminated him. Either that, or Danzo has Kakuzu waste all of his chakra attacking any surrounding inanimate objects. Neither Kakuzu nor Hidan can stop Danzo from taking control of Kakuzu's mind, and if they try to attack him before he does, he can use his advantage in speed to avoid their attacks and take control of Kakuzu. It's likely that Danzo could win this without losing a single drop of blood.

in movement speed better than Kakuzu? Not exactly.

Well we never saw Danzo use the mind controlling jutsu in a fight but if thats possible then Kakuzu is at disadvantage.

[Outer Path]

I think Kakuzu has an excellent chance at winning this - far better than Danzo.

Why, you may ask?

This is a bad match-up for Danzo because (1) Genjutsu is unlikely to work against someone like Kakuzu, whose abnormal inhumane body structure shits on Naruto biology, (2) Kakuzu's speed is up there with Kakashi's (so it's likely on par, at the very least and from judging what we've seen so far, with Danzo's), (3) Kakuzu's Doton: Domu will protect him from most of Danzo's attacks (if not all), even if Kakuzu gets caught off guard and somehow loses a heart he has 4 more, (4) Kakuzu's prowess in CQC has been shown to be greater than Danzo's thanks to Jiongu and super strength, and as shown against Kakashi, (5) Kakuzu's stamina is incredible, and Danzo hasn't yet shown better stamina - hence he can likely outlast him, especially with 5 hearts (6) Kakuzu can use Danzo's lack of knowledge to catch him off guard if Danzo were to pull off the destruction of one of his hearts, and (7) Kakuzu has the ability to spam destructive AoE attacks, which are liable to destroy the Mokuton Danzo has shown.

Hidan also has a possibility of soloing because (1) even for Naruto biology, he has possibly the most inhumane head in the manga (and Genjutsu works through manipulating chakra in your victim's cranial nerves, whether or not it works through eyes, ears, etc.), and makes Naruto biology go :shock: probably just as much as it does Kakuzu, and (2) Danzo hasn't been shown to mind letting his opponents get his blood, and if Hidan does that... :evil:. I don't care how many times Danzo's jutsu can save his ass, but Hidan can just stab himself several hundred times through the ribs for the lulz until Danzo runs out of chakra. And stamina-wise he can crap on Danzo as much as he would as anyone else in the manga. Seriously, Fanbook II states that Hidan's still alive. Not to mention, as shown before and as you likely all know, he and Kakuzu have some nice teamwork, "using immortality to their advantage" and whatnot :cool:.

I'd argue that either of these 2 could solo, but if the OP insists including both of them in this match-up, I don't see how Danzo can take this.

[Seven]

Hidan and Kakazu win this with ease hidan can kill Danzou with by stabbing himself if he can get his blood. then kakazu goes all out and flies above shooting threads at danzou

[deidara330]

in movement speed better than Kakuzu? Not exactly.

His first attack in the fight was at least a Low Transonic one, which is already better than what Kakuzu or Hidan have ever shown.

Well we never saw Danzo use the mind controlling jutsu in a fight but if thats possible then Kakuzu is at disadvantage.It merely allows him to put thoughts into the other persons head. Since thoughts of killing Hidan already exist in Kakuzu's mind, and since he's in a bloddlusted state, controling him to attack Hidan should require little effort.I think Kakuzu has an excellent chance at winning this - far better than Danzo.

Just Kakuzu?

Why, you may ask?

Yes, I do ask why.

This is a bad match-up for Danzo because (1) Genjutsu is unlikely to work against someone like Kakuzu, whose abnormal inhumane body structure shits on Naruto biology,

He still has a brain and chakra system, he can be affected by any Genjutsu. Besides, having shown no feat for it, we can only speculate and never confirm that Kakuzu has a genjutsu resistance.

(2) Kakuzu's speed is up there with Kakashi's (so it's likely on par, at the very least and from judging what we've seen so far, with Danzo's),

Kakashi at the time wasn't as fast as he is now, and Danzo has shown better speed feats by going at Transonic at the beginning of his fight.

(3) Kakuzu's Doton: Domu will protect him from most of Danzo's attacks (if not all), even if Kakuzu gets caught off guard and somehow loses a heart he has 4 more,

Using his Mind Control Danzo would force Kakuzu to deactivate Iron Skin and attack him with fuutons. Also, his hearts have never shown any feats to suggest that they can attack while he's dead.

(4) Kakuzu's prowess in CQC has been shown to be greater than Danzo's thanks to Jiongu and super strength, and as shown against Kakashi,

Sorry, CQC? Jiongu?

(5) Kakuzu's stamina is incredible, and Danzo hasn't yet shown better stamina - hence he can likely outlast him, especially with 5 hearts

Mind hax surpasses this, Izanagi will allow him to survive any attack for up to ten times.

(6) Kakuzu can use Danzo's lack of knowledge to catch him off guard if Danzo were to pull off the destruction of one of his hearts, and

Kakuzu being mind haxxed wouldn't do that, and even then Danzo can afford to take a fatal hit once and still have much more uses left.

(7) Kakuzu has the ability to spam destructive AoE attacks, which are liable to destroy the Mokuton Danzo has shown.

Some of them, the water heart has no feats so it can't, and the wind hearts attack is a concentrated blast that would still leave the Mokuton standing.

Hidan also has a possibility of soloing because (1) even for Naruto biology, he has possibly the most inhumane head in the manga (and Genjutsu works through manipulating chakra in your victim's cranial nerves, whether or not it works through eyes, ears, etc.), and makes Naruto biology go :shock: probably just as much as it does Kakuzu, and

Mind hax, Hidan has no defense. You can't actually say it doesn't work because he has a wierd head.

(2) Danzo hasn't been shown to mind letting his opponents get his blood, and if Hidan does that... :evil:. I don't care how many times Danzo's jutsu can save his ass, but Hidan can just stab himself several hundred times through the ribs for the lulz until Danzo runs out of chakra. And stamina-wise he can crap on Danzo as much as he would as anyone else in the manga. Seriously, Fanbook II states that Hidan's still alive. Not to mention, as shown before and as you likely all know, he and Kakuzu have some nice teamwork, "using immortality to their advantage" and whatnot :cool:.

So he'll let Hidan run up to him, cut him to get blood, lick the blood, run back away from him, and make his symbol? No. Danzo is Transonic, and with Vacuum Wave Hidan isn't even going to touch him.

I'd argue that either of these 2 could solo, but if the OP insists including both of them in this match-up, I don't see how Danzo can take this.Danzo can win using Mind Hax, Izanagi, and superior speed.Hidan and Kakazu win this with ease hidan can kill Danzou with by stabbing himself if he can get his blood. then kakazu goes all out and flies above shooting threads at danzouMokuton deflects the threads, Danzo blitzes Hidan and decapitates with Vacuum Wave.

[Vivi]

It merely allows him to put thoughts into the other persons head. Since thoughts of killing Hidan already exist in Kakuzu's mind, and since he's in a bloddlusted state, controling him to attack Hidan should require little effort.Danzo can win using Mind Hax, Izanagi, and superior speed.Mokuton deflects the threads, Danzo blitzes Hidan and decapitates with Vacuum Wave.

Spoiler ahead.

New Chapter Danzo uses Vacuum Rend which even rips apart Susanoo.
Plus his new summon sucks in everything like a Black Hole.

[deidara330]

Spoiler ahead.

New Chapter Danzo uses Vacuum Rend which even rips apart Susanoo.
Plus his new summon sucks in everything like a Black Hole.Well, I was waiting for that to be 100% confirmed before debating on that. But if it is confirmed, it only means Danzo continues to solo this fight.

[Outer Path]

I know I'm supposed to be nice and everything, but, unless I'm mistaken, where is crap about Danzou showing a speed feat that neither Kakuzu nor Hidan can keep up with - coming from?

Can someone link me to such a high-tier speed feat?

And lol at the last chapter confirming anything about Danzou being able to "solo" this.


We already knew he was using a haxxed technique that gave him an excellent defense and possible opportunities for surprise attacks, and now we know how it supposedly works and that it's indeed not Genjutsu (as I believe most of us thought and were assuming before), along with the fact that Danzo can summon an elephant that specializes in sucking things in, but was shown to be somewhat susceptible to fire jutsu (which Kakuzu's shown the ability to spam).

If anything, we now it's confirmed that Izanagi has its limits and that it does come at quite the cost.

[ByakuganAlex]

Danzo wins

any time he is going to die he could use izanagi
the he does that vacuum combo

[deidara330]

I know I'm supposed to be nice and everything, but, unless I'm mistaken, where is crap about Danzou showing a speed feat that neither Kakuzu nor Hidan can keep up with - coming from?

Chapter 476 Pages 5-6, Chapter 477 Pages 5-6 (he dodged it, didn't use Izanagi as you can see speed lines around him on Page 6), Chapter 478 Page 4 (not that much of a feat but still counts), Chapter 479 Pages 1-3, 6-10. Out of the best of those speed feats, I don't think Kakuzu or Hidan can match them.

Can someone link me to such a high-tier speed feat?

Compared to other verses, Low Transonic is still a low speed feat, but that's if Danzo is actually Low Transonic. It could be higher. Also, links aren't allowed on the site.

And lol at the last chapter confirming anything about Danzou being able to "solo" this.

What's so funny about it?


We already knew he was using a haxxed technique that gave him an excellent defense and possible opportunities for surprise attacks, and now we know how it supposedly works and that it's indeed not Genjutsu (as I believe most of us thought and were assuming before), along with the fact that Danzo can summon an elephant that specializes in sucking things in, but was shown to be somewhat susceptible to fire jutsu (which Kakuzu's shown the ability to spam).

A simple solution to this is to use Shisui's dojutsu to make Kakuzu stop attacking, and then summon the elephant.

If anything, we now it's confirmed that Izanagi has its limits and that it does come at quite the cost.
It does have a limit, but he doesn't need to activate it unless he can suffer a potentially fatal wound. Using Giant Vacuum Sphere and Multiple Vacuum Wave, he can easily take out Hidan, the lightning heart, and the water heart which has no feats, as well as the wind heart. Not at the same time, of course.

[Hidan]

Using his Mind Control Danzo would force Kakuzu to deactivate Iron Skin and attack him with fuutons. Also, his hearts have never shown any feats to suggest that they can attack while he's dead.

Actually, Kakuzu's hearts were still active after Hidan killed the only heart in Kakuzu's body, also how would Danzo avoid Kakuzu flying and sending threads massively down at the Battle Ground? Just a thought.

[deidara330]

Actually, Kakuzu's hearts were still active after Hidan killed the only heart in Kakuzu's body,

Did they attack?

also how would Danzo avoid Kakuzu flying and sending threads massively down at the Battle Ground? Just a thought.Re-read this:
Using his Mind Control Danzo would force Kakuzu to deactivate Iron SkinThe same principle applies to any of his attacks.

[Vivi]

also how would Danzo avoid Kakuzu flying and sending threads massively down at the Battle Ground? Just a thought.

Vacuum Wave and Vacuum serial waves that even ripped Susanoo apart.
Baku increases the attacks even more.

[danilo777]

Uff though one but Danzo probably wins he is faster than both of them he has that Mind control dojutsu that can take care of Kakuzu or Hidan attacking each other in all that commotion ha can use his wind style(but he has also water and earth)do not forget his summons nor Izanagi when all that combine together they really can not anything.

[shikimaru nara]

well kakuzu can solo. kakuzu combines fire and wind masks with that should take danzo out.

[Vivi]

well kakuzu can solo. kakuzu combines fire and wind masks with that should take danzo out.

I'm beginning to believe you have no Manga knowledge or are purposely doing this.

Izanagi brings him back into attack advantage.

Behind them as example.

[otacon]

I'm beginning to believe you have no Manga knowledge or are purposely doing this.

Izanagi brings him back into attack advantage.

Behind them as example.

could wind chakra penetrate Iron skin (i know FRS already did, but that is well beyond the average wing jutsu)?

[Vivi]

could wind chakra penetrate Iron skin (i know FRS already did, but that is well beyond the average wing jutsu)?

His Fuutons ripped Susanoo apart.

Now question is:

Does Susanoo>Iron Skin?

[deidara330]

well kakuzu can solo. kakuzu combines fire and wind masks with that should take danzo out.Mind dojutsu, Kakuzu never does it in the first place. Izanagi, it simply doesn't hit.could wind chakra penetrate Iron skin (i know FRS already did, but that is well beyond the average wing jutsu)?It certainly could. His futons broke through Susano'o, which has much better feats than Iron Skin alone. Mind Dojutsu simply makes him deactivate it.His Fuutons ripped Susanoo apart.

Now question is:

Does Susanoo>Iron Skin?Yes, Susano'o>Iron Skin. It took simultaneous attacks from Kankuro, Gaara, Temari, and Darui in it's incomplete form and wasn't even broken through. Since when can Iron Skin do that?

[321zigzag1]

It was never shown how much iron skin can tank although it was implied it protected kakuzu from Nibi's paw strike.

[deidara330]

It was never shown how much iron skin can tank although it was implied it protected kakuzu from Nibi's paw strike.Implied. It's difficult to tell if he actually activated it before he took the strike. For all we know, he could've been unconcious the entire battle and woken up after Hidan cursed Yugito. It certainly didn't tank Rasenshuriken or Lightning Blade, it did tank Spiky Human Boulder, but that was really nothing compared to the multiple attacks Susano'o has taken.

[Hidan]

Implied. It's difficult to tell if he actually activated it before he took the strike. For all we know, he could've been unconcious the entire battle and woken up after Hidan cursed Yugito. It certainly didn't tank Rasenshuriken or Lightning Blade, it did tank Spiky Human Boulder, but that was really nothing compared to the multiple attacks Susano'o has taken.

Although it was able to take down an Iron Gate, as well, he couldn't use it anymore because his heart had been destroyed with it (He only used it afterwords in filler part of the battle when he is about to strike Choji and Ino throws Shurikan at him)

[deidara330]

Although it was able to take down an Iron Gate, as well, he couldn't use it anymore because his heart had been destroyed with it (He only used it afterwords in filler part of the battle when he is about to strike Choji and Ino throws Shurikan at him)Actually, it took down the iron wall, but that stlill is only just equal to, if not less than, the four jutsu combined in force. The scale of the explosion created from them was huge.

[321zigzag1]

Actually it was a huge iron gate.

[Hidan]

Actually, it took down the iron wall, but that stlill is only just equal to, if not less than, the four jutsu combined in force. The scale of the explosion created from them was huge.

Also to your earlier point Kakuzu's hearts did attack, the Fire/Wind attacked making Kakashi, Ino, and Choji back away while the Lightning hopped in, as well, you still didn't take into consideration that the Jutsu was not usable after once Kakashi destroyed the heart...

[deidara330]

Also to your earlier point Kakuzu's hearts did attack, the Fire/Wind attacked making Kakashi, Ino, and Choji back away while the Lightning hopped in, as well, you still didn't take into consideration that the Jutsu was not usable after once Kakashi destroyed the heart...Actually, the fire/wind never attacked after Kakuzu's original body died.

[Hidan]

Actually, the fire/wind never attacked after Kakuzu's original body died.

Hmm, let me check, I am pretty sure, unless that was Anime only...

EDIT: It never explains in the manga how the hearts got into Kakuzu's body, just shows him in his extra thread mode, in the anime it shows more detail, also what if Hidan charged in and Danzo used his Mind Control on Hidan, seeing as Danzo doesn't really move first in battle?

[321zigzag1]

Fire and Wind were the last masks Kakuzu were using so what are you referring to?

[Hidan]

Fire and Wind were the last masks Kakuzu were using so what are you referring to?

After Hidan stabbed himself and Kakuzu lost his Water Heart, Kakuzu dies and his Hearts come charging towards him, although they can still use there threads seeing as in the Manga they wrapped around Choji when he tried to slam them.

[321zigzag1]

Oh well that time, Kakuzu used his lightning heart and fire and wind masks fused with Kakuzu into immense thread mode.

[MinatoUchiha]

hmmm....tuff, but i dont think danzo has shown what it takes to kill kakuzu yet and kakuzu could constrict him while hidan got his blood and kills him over and over until his eyes close. however,with the reveal of an new uber technique from danzo this week, that all could change.
I say your right..

[deidara330]

Hmm, let me check, I am pretty sure, unless that was Anime only...

EDIT: It never explains in the manga how the hearts got into Kakuzu's body, just shows him in his extra thread mode, in the anime it shows more detail, also what if Hidan charged in and Danzo used his Mind Control on Hidan, seeing as Danzo doesn't really move first in battle?The anime adds stuff that never happened. If Hidan charged in, Danzo dodges him. It's not like Hidan is nearly at the speed level Hidan is, and he could still use mind control on Kakuzu while Hidan is charging.After Hidan stabbed himself and Kakuzu lost his Water Heart, Kakuzu dies and his Hearts come charging towards him, although they can still use there threads seeing as in the Manga they wrapped around Choji when he tried to slam them.They didn't wrap around Choji when he tried to slam them, they just ran towards Kakuzu. In fact, they didn't attack in any way once he died, they just ran towards him.