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HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 12:34 AM
ok i want to see how many people want genjutsu to be allow so i am making a poll

i also have many ways to make them fair or at least we can come up with a solution

akatsukirocks
12-25-2009, 12:34 AM
that would be cool

Toma RNK
12-25-2009, 12:35 AM
No matter how many people vote, unless a fair and balanced solution comes up, it aint happening.

I tried to come up with something, but making reality manipulation fair and balanced is neigh impossible.

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 12:37 AM
yes i have a solution to my problem you wanna hear

Toma RNK
12-25-2009, 12:39 AM
Type it up and aurega or myself will be glad to poke holes in it.

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 12:49 AM
ok in order to keep a balance genjtsu need (weknese ) in order to make a genjutsu fair

the opponnet and the other figther must due the fallowing




for example to shinobi of the art of genjutsu



( as i see my opponnet walk around the foress i create a barrage of had signs and i create a genjutsu around the field that will make my opponent walk in circles while i attack his real body with kunais )


opponnet counter

( i can feel my chakra network mess up and i try to use ninja art : cancel jutsu and release the genjutsu then i see a bunch of kunai coming toward me and i jump in the air and i look at my opponnet and he is paralyze in fear and i shoot a paper bomb )


( i quckly feel fear in order to stop fear i tab my self and then i jump in the air and i use a major cancle jutsu to make genjutsu imposible to work around the field range )



ok as you can see that dosent make up much sense but think carfully thier are 3 ways to make things fair


first is ( when using genjutsu the user must cleraly state that he is using a genjutsu and make his genjutsu understanable )

2 ( genjutsu can be stop by sin of fear dizzynes by using a cancel jutsu )


3 ( pain can destroy a genjutsu )


that a little of my idea know what about this as rules


in order to use a genjutsu you can only have 2 elements and genjutsu

so a jounin would use 2 elements and genjutsu

that a way to make things fair to

another law can be

that

any lv1 genjutsu can be cancel by any lv cancel genjutsu justu

any lv2 can be stop by any genjutsu release jutsu of lv3

a lv3 by a lv4 cancel release

a lv4 by a lv5 relase

a lv5 must be stop by a lv relase and pain


or a person of gret chakra controls

so they have wekneses in order to keep reality the user of the genjutsu must clearly stae the situation of the gnjutsu and the siuation of the person in the real word to keeps things fair .

if you want more info il write more

painxkonan
12-25-2009, 12:49 AM
i can see alot of people useing genjutsu, i guess if it had limits on how you use it..
it will be fine, but the bad side to it is the time it would take to made the rules
and putting it on the war system

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 12:54 AM
lets make a suluation we all love genjutsu rigth ok toma list me a list of problem that acur when using genjutsu and ill tell you a suluation becuase i know what you fear

you fear that a person may say hey ou were in my gejutsu and not aware so i use this jutsu and kill you

well that is why thier are jutsu to defend againt them also genjutsu limit one element of the shinobi



so for example ( a jonin user of genjutsu can only go to 2 element plus genjutsu )

TheBlackChidori
12-25-2009, 12:55 AM
"Theblackchidori uses SUPERSTRONGUNBEATABLEGENJUTSU!"

End turn.

"Toma RNK starts swatting mid-air, and dancing in place."

End turn.

"TBC transforms his eyes into SUPERMORESTRONGGENJUTSU, Toma looks..."

End turn.

"Toma starts singing Bette Midler karaoke"

End turn.

"TBC walks up to toma, and pushes him over, and stands on his chest with one foot"

End turn.

"Toma flails on the ground like a fish, screaming something about the Chinese Panda Bear stealing his lunch."

End battle.




So if you can find a way to incorporate this into the battle system, by all means, let us know.

Toma RNK
12-25-2009, 12:56 AM
lets make a suluation we all love genjutsu rigth ok toma list me a list of problem that acur when using genjutsu and ill tell you a suluation becuase i know what you fear

you fear that a person may say hey ou were in my gejutsu and not aware so i use this jutsu and kill you

well that is why thier are jutsu to defend againt them also genjutsu limit one element of the shinobi



so for example ( a jonin user of genjutsu can only go to 2 element plus genjutsu )


I'm heading to bed, so I'll let aurega handle this, but my first point is:

The average user cannot be trusted to act responsibly and not godmod. Your system needs to have a built in check an balance system for Gen vs Gen AND to allow a non genjutsu user a fair change against a Gen user.

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 01:07 AM
toma i see what you mean ill make a fair advanatge rigth know a non user of genjutsu can use

the fallowing advanatges ( a chunin or jonin have great chakra control and are easlily capalbel of escpang lv3 or weaker )

and higer jutsu will just create damage and can be block by pain

( yes i have an idea ill make a battle example )

no user of genjutsu vs genjutsu master


( i walk to the battle field and i run to the opponnet using lighingn edge )


genjutsu user

( i use quckly rap you in a genjutsu and your lighting fly out your hand in the form of crows and the crows come down attacking you while your mind figth the srength og my genjutsu i jump in the air and shoot kunai )


no genjutsu user

( the genjutsu was a lv3 and a chunin like me is caple of escaping it so as i see my opponent jumping in the air i jump with my lighting edge in my hand and try to make a stream to block kunais )


genjutsu user

( i use genjutsu lv5 to quickly make your mind fee like you frose in time and your been stab by 100 sword in less than a second and your mind feel absolute pain and when you move you move slow and as ylur mind face many trouble i punch you in the head )


no genjutsu user

( i had no idea i was trap in a genjutsu and my body as in complete pain so much pain the genjutu cancel it self after the jutsu was finish my body had taken mental damage making me dizzy and seen things wierd and my nervouse sytem is in a lock down making it hard to think or move but i manage to use lv 5 ( frie of death )



genjutsu user

( i am not allow to use any move lv5 genjutsu so i u trap my opponent in lv4 genjutsu hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)



also to trap a person in a genjutsu thier has to be things acomplished

Toma RNK
12-25-2009, 01:12 AM
VP or PP cost, and I'm still not seeing a balance at all. *hopes a WC member will show up to take this over as im no longer involved*

<Aurega?>
12-25-2009, 01:42 AM
Just examples don't tell us much. We need concrete rules and costs for using genjutsus, and limitations to make sure they are balanced.

After reading through all your points, they still don't make much sense to me. Try spellchecking and typing your idea up in a more organized way.

Ashen
12-25-2009, 02:31 AM
Alright, here's the problem dood. There needs to be good odds in the battle itself that a Non-genjutsu user can beat a genjutsu user. From what I can read you really have nothing that balances out the two. You want the reality manipulating Genjutsu and that's not something we can simply add in, as they can't be used canon to the show without being overpowered(kinda like out current problem with Jinchuuriki).

If you want to think of helpful ideas for us, you're gonna have to think out of the box a little.

Now that I've said that, I'll also say that I don't like people who want to play the hero. Believe me, it's a bad mindset to have as people who try looking for "glory" tend to do nothing but get in the way and irritate the people they're trying to help.

With that said, the idea you're trying to explain doesn't make sense, AND to make things worse it's pretty much unreadable. In short, you're trying to help us by having our eyes explode while we try and figure out what it is you're trying to say, and that has the effect of being the complete opposite of helpful. If you can't give us something that's organized and easy to read, it's seriously 10x better to not help at all, it saves us grief.

Of course, if you by chance happen to have a stroke of pure genius and suddenly get an idea that's out of the box, and you actually take the time to type it in a neatly readable fashion with rules backed up by explanations along with an example or two... then by all means post away. :lol:

Fan of Minato
12-25-2009, 08:15 AM
All I see so far is "Genjutsu canceling", and thats not gonna work.
As I see it, Gen is pure godmod. Its like that level 5 blood jutsu. (BETA should remember...and Boss..xD)

(The site got really laggy..=/...I was trying to rep TBC and it takes about 5 or 10 minutes xDDDD).

Nick Tasogare
12-25-2009, 08:19 AM
As much as i LOVE Genjutsu, the only way that I can see it working is with a point based system, and that's not the kind of system this is.

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 12:42 PM
here is my 1 draft solution

Here are my ideas to make genjutsu work with out any sense of overpowering.

First fact about how to make genjutsu fair and acceptable; in order to trap someone in a genjutsu the genjutsu user must trap a area in genjutsu affect for example a lv1 genjutsu will affect a small area and the non genjutsu user can only be trap if he walk in that area a lv2 genjutsu will create a bigger affect of area but if the opponent walk in the area their trap in a genjutsu and so on and if the battle field range is bog and thegenjutsu is a lv5 the genjtusu affect evrey ranges making the genjutsu affectable to matter what but has way to be escape . , ( how those this make any changes )
Examples

Just like ninjutsu attack they have ranges well know genjutsu also have ranges so know we can have ranges in genjutsu and order to decrease a genjutsu from working so mostly lv3 and lower level genjutsu are easy to block unless the opponent is trap , an the area the genjutsu is taking affect in will only last 1 turn and the area once more will be genjutsu free ( this is only for genjutsu that affect fields and ranges )


2 fact about genjutsu : I know genjutsu destroy reality so genjutsu can only due mental damage and not any physical damage in other words normally a genjutsu of lv1 would paralyze and opponent when finish , a genjutsu lf lv2 would must likely make the opponent paralyze along with dizziness’, a genjutsu of lv3 will create a paralyzes and dizziness’ along with little pain . of lv4 will create dizziness’, along with paralyzes and somewhat a fairness of pain , of lv5 genjutsu will create paralyzes, fear, dizziness’ , pain but not as much pain as a lv5 ninjutsu and will also make opponent unconscious for the entire turn .( know genjutsu have a damge according to their levels so that make things fairs , also some genjutsu can make the opponent chakra so mess up they wont be able to use any lv5 jutsu for that single turn but I will talk about that in fact 5 ) how is this fair

Lv 1 ninjutsu cause physical or pain type of damage but a genjutsu of lv1 will only cause paralyzes on the opponent ( along with weakness that I will post in fact 4 )

Lv2 ninjutsu cause even greater physical damage or pain a genjutsu of lv2 only cause paralyzes and dizziness’( along with weakness that will post in fact 4)

Lv3 ninjutsu cause a lot of physical damage or pain a genjutsu of lv3 will cause paralyzes, dizziness along with little pain on the opponent mind like his head feel is going to blow up creating pain on his body but not much pain ( along with weaknesses that will be post in fact 4 )
Lv4 ninjutsu cause deadly physical dmage or pain a genjutsu of lv4 will cause paralyzes,dizziness , and greater pain than a lv3 a pain that will make the opponent mind really blow up when it doesn’t making their body hard to move or even keep their balance . ( along with weaknesses that will be post in fact 4 )

Lv5 ninjutsu can kill a person lv5 genjutsu make an opponent unconscious for 1 entire turn leaving them defenseless ( along with weaknesses that will be post in fact 4 )


3 fact about genjutsu : when an opponent is trap in a genjutsu is against the rules to attack their body unless the genjutsu user is of jonin rank or above because in order to keep oponnet trap in a genjutsu they must keep their chakra in action from stopping a genjutsu so when a person of genin or chunin rank uses genjutsu their body must stay perfectly steal and if the genjutsu is by ranges of area and the opponent is not cougth in the range of the genjutsu then the genjutsu user defense is off compactly and when working in team genjutsu user are easy to defeat due to them leaving their gueard down but of jounin rank changes the concept .


4 fact: how to cancel out genjutsu with ninjutsu.
Normally genjutsu mess up the chakra levels of an opponent to create evill illusion so in order to keep a genjutsu user from traping a non genjutsu user the non genjutsu .

First step if the non genjutsu uses any lv2 ninjutsu the genjutsu user wont be able to trap the opponent in a genjutsu of lv1 because the non genjutsu user level of chakra are in lv2 and a lv1 genjutsu wont be strong enough to mess up the non genjutsu chakra level because his performing a lv2 ninjutsu that increase the use of chakra stopping the genjutsu user from messing up their chakra but a lv3 will be able to cancel out the ninjutsu lv and that’s how genjutsu get balance out with ninjutsu creating weaknesses. ( so let me make a chart )( also note the user of ninjutsu just has to use a lv jutsu to increase their level of chakra to block the genjutsu so they don’t have to hit the genjutsu user with thte ninjutsu to make this work )


Lv 1 ninjutsu are cancel out by lv2 genjutsu , ( so if a person is using a ninjutsu of lv1 aany genjutsu of lv1 wont work so a lv 2 genjutsu is needed in order to trap the opponent in a genjutsu and the same happen to the rest )

Lv2 ninjutsu are cancel out by lv3 genjutsu

Lv3 ninjutsu are cancel out by lv4 genjutsu

Lv4 ninjutsu are cancel out by lv5 genjutsu
Lv5 ninjutsu and lv5 genjutsu cancel out each other .

Other ways to stop genjutsu( if you don’t wanna go through so much trouble just learn how to cancel out genjutsu of each levels )




5 ( how to keep unreality and reality woking fair )
Each genjutsu has can use a special abilite so let say this is a genjutsu of lv3 ( genjutsu that can trap you in a box and then your stab by sword ) that’s it that’s what happen and reality cannot be destroy nor unreality ( because like I said before only jonin can attack the opponent ral body when they had trap them in a genjutsu )

6 ( other genjutsu abilities , can make things look moving slow increase speed, lower stats est. )




So I hope this work so in total this is how genjutsu should be made .

Genjutsu creation : world of chaos lv4
Weaknesses; any ninjutsu of lv5
ranges : medium ranges( if the battle fiel range is meduim this jutsu will not miss but if the battle field ange is large it would miss unless the opponnet is in a medium range close to the gnjutsu user )
Strength : any ninjutsu of lv4 or weaker
Description : …………………………………………………..something s


here is an expample of a vl1

world of peace and death
wekness : ninjutsu of lv2
strength : ninjutsu lv1
ranges : the opponent has to be al least 5 meter close to the genjtusu user .

description....................


So you people understand how a ninjutsu cancel out a genjutsu making a balance .

Hope this work I have more idea’s if needed



and remember this if a genjtusu and genjutsu user figth a the genjutus of higer level would win for example ninja a use lv4 genjtsu ninja b uses lv5 genjutsu ninja b genjutsu will work and the other failed and lv5 and lv5 genjutsu cancel out each other .

<Aurega?>
12-25-2009, 12:48 PM
So in other words, genjutsu users have the chance to knock opponents out for a turn OR burn their chakra severely by forcing them to use a level 5 to cancel out a level 4?

I don't see any balance there at all.

Sorry, try again.

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 12:52 PM
no you got the 1 idea but something wrong

a genjutsu of lv4 is stop by a lv 5 ninjtsu

but to keep fairness genjtus of lv4 use the same chakra as lv5

so let say a lv4 genjtsu would take 5 point out the chakra pool like a lv5 but

a lv5 genjutsu is cancel out by a lv5 ninjutsu as well and lv5 genjujtsu use also use 5 point out the chakra pool like a lv4 but a lv5 has more abilites



( so in other word both figther burn out thier chakra )

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 12:58 PM
i am making a chart to make things fair ok here it is


lv 1 genjutsu is cancel out by a lv1 ninjutsu

lv 2 genjutsu is cancel out by a lv2 ninjutsu

and so on


like that so llet say the nijutsu is a lv5 and the gnjutsu is a lv 4 the genjutsu will be cancel and the ninjutsu will hit the genjutsu user

and like that

and only jonin can create genjutsu and trap them in thier mind and while trap in genjutsu attack thier real body but


and if trap in inside a genjutsu the trap person should use a ninjutsu of higer lvel to escape

but if the genjutsu user is about to use the gnjtusu and the ninjutsu person is about to use the ninjutsu and the same level they cancel out each other

Konoha'sGreenThunder
12-25-2009, 01:02 PM
The area thing bugs me.

Can you see that a genjutsu has been put over an area? If not, the opponent has no prior warning and can't do anything to avoid it, which is forcing a jutsu upon them, or godmodding. It'd be different if there was strategy involved or something, but just putting up a barrier of sorts that forces a jutsu on someone without warning or any chance to counter..

It's really hard to understand you..

So, what happens if your opponent counters your ninjutsu, which will often happen? Yea, you don't get out of the genjutsu.

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 01:06 PM
the reason to use a ninjutsu is to increase your level of chakra also

the opponent will have a warning because when they read the abiltie of the genjutsu it said that , for example


worl of infinite chaos lv1

ranges ; need to be 5 meter close to the opponent\

preparation time : 1 minutes ( give time for the opponent to run )


this lv1 gejutsu is easy to block


get it how it works

Spark
12-25-2009, 01:07 PM
aurega i thought you were on vacation

Konoha'sGreenThunder
12-25-2009, 01:09 PM
Yea, but if you can't see it, it doesn't matter if your opponent says they use it; saying you counter something you have no way of knowing was there is godmodding and will be counted against you in judging, so that's not a solution.

I have no clue what you're saying about the ninjutsu..

Spark
12-25-2009, 01:11 PM
why dont you just have the genjutsu take effect in the next round after the person says they are gona use it.

<Aurega?>
12-25-2009, 01:13 PM
aurega i thought you were on vacation

I am, but had a 2 hour wait for a plane that was delayed...

And there is still no balance in this whatsoever. Try again with a different system.

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 01:13 PM
let me clear your mind in order to make the opponent know thier is a genjtsu rulee are fallow here is a 2 round battle example


( as i see my opponent in the far range of the forest i use lv2 genjtsu and trap him in a vortex of evilness making him feel fear and parlyze )


( your genjtsu is lv2 and i was in the far range of the battle field and genjtsu of those lv have short range so i quckly use my lv5 jutsu wind rasengan rasengan )


( i use lv 5 genjtsu nigth mare void to trap you in a genjtsu )


( i was using a lv5 ninjutsu so it cacel out your genjtsu and cancel out my attack and i shoot a bunch of papper bombs )



winner ninja that uses ninjutsu because in frit round ninja a was not able to trap the opponent in genjutsu

so olv1 are low range

lv2 are higer than 1 but still low rang

lv3 almost medium range

lv4 medium range


lv5 fool field affect

Toma RNK
12-25-2009, 01:14 PM
Beyond that, who is to say your opponent (who can read everything you type like this) will not simply say "I'm really smart and figure out what you are doing.

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 01:16 PM
sorry iam trying to type really fast but in my sytem i see it fair read this post


let me clear your mind in order to make the opponent know thier is a genjtsu rulee are fallow here is a 2 round battle example


( as i see my opponent in the far range of the forest i use lv2 genjtsu and trap him in a vortex of evilness making him feel fear and parlyze )


( your genjtsu is lv2 and i was in the far range of the battle field and genjtsu of those lv have short range so i quckly use my lv5 jutsu wind rasengan rasengan )


( i use lv 5 genjtsu nigth mare void to trap you in a genjtsu )


( i was using a lv5 ninjutsu so it cacel out your genjtsu and cancel out my attack and i shoot a bunch of papper bombs )



winner ninja that uses ninjutsu because in frit round ninja a was not able to trap the opponent in genjutsu

so olv1 are low range

lv2 are higer than 1 but still low rang

lv3 almost medium range

lv4 medium range


lv5 full field affect

Toma RNK
12-25-2009, 01:17 PM
You need to take an hour, and make what you are saying organized and legible, because I cannot make sense of it, which means most of the forums cannot make sense of it.

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 01:18 PM
ok toma can you give me a entire day or 2 days and ill make something great

but first make me a list of problems when using genjutsu and in roder ill find a solution for each problems

<Aurega?>
12-25-2009, 01:23 PM
ok toma can you give me a entire day or 2 days and ill make something great

but first make me a list of problems when using genjutsu and in roder ill find a solution for each problems

Problem 1: genjutsus force a hit to land on the opponent; there is no way to "dodge" it. Force a hit = godmodding, which means you lose unless your opponent broke a rule.
Problem 2: genjutsus locks the victim in another "dimension". Time/space works differently and isn't balanced because of that.
Problem 3: There is no good way for a normal user to counter a genjutsu through clever use of their own jutsus. In your suggestions, there are only brute force, and point to point counters which isn't the way we want the system to be.
Problem 4: Access to genjutsus, and chakra manipulation are not really part of the system. Will genjutsus be another kind of element? If so, what about genins? There is also no chakra manipulation in the system right now (we wanted to put it in, but it proved to be too complex so we skipped it.

We've come up with several ways to have genjutsus in the system already, but none of them solved all of the problems listed above.

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 01:28 PM
can you give me an example of a battle using unfair system of genjtsu then you will see how my system could work

Vatanui AKA Pride
12-25-2009, 02:01 PM
Making reality manipulation fair and balanced is nigh-high impossible in my opinion.

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 06:43 PM
hpe this work
Genjutsu rules

First rule on using genjutsu .
Just like ninjutsu , genjutsu have ranges according to their levels

To make a lv1 jutsu work the opponent must be about 5 meters close to the user of the genjutsu.

To make a lv2 genjutsu work the opponent must be about 10 meter close to the opponent.

To make a lv3 genjutsu work the opponent must be about 20 meter close

To make a lv4 genjutsu work the opponent must be about 50 meter close

To make a lv5 genjtsu work the opponent must be about 80 meter close .

Those are ranges that give the opponent the chance to escape from genjutsu .


Second rule to genjutsu
Genin fallow this rules
A lv1 genjutsu takes a barrage of hand signs and the user of the genjutsu must stay perfectly still to make the genjutsu 5 meter range and if they separate their hands the gnjutsu will be cancel out ( giving the opponent the chance to attack the genjutsu user because they are leaving their defense down)( this same law is required for all the other genjutsu of different levels and if a opponent is trap on a genjutsu it will only last 1 round.

Chunin fallow the same law as a genin

Jounin

When a jounin rank the user is able to trap an opponent in a genjutsu and still be able to move their arms and are able to attack the opponent real body when trap in a genjutsu so non like a genin or a chunin they have to stay perfectly still.



How to block genjutsu

When fighting a genjutsu user is like fighting a ninjutsu user if the justu can reach 5 meter stay 5 meter far and from the beginning of a battle keep your distance .



( how due genjutsu work a genjutsu will work with the opponent )

A lv1,2,and 3 genjutsu will last 1 round so let say the genjutsu causes paralyzes it last 1 round.

A lv4 and lv5 will last 2 rounds so lets say the genjutsu make an opponent unconscious they wil stay like that for 2 rounds )
( note for a genjutsu to work the genjutsu will most be completed all the way so if it is cancel half way and it like a lv5 its abilite will last like 1 round and if a lv1 id cancel it will due nothing )

How to escape genjutsu


( cannot be evade when trap but genjutsu last only 1 to 2 round making this fair is like chidori if you get hit there is no escaping the fact that you are dead so hope this make things fair )

Vatanui AKA Pride
12-25-2009, 06:49 PM
All I'm seeing so far is god moddling, especially with the Level 4 and 4 Genjutsu, that's just straight hax.

Nick Tasogare
12-25-2009, 06:50 PM
Basically you're saying the Genjutsu are causing paralysis/unconsciousness, right? There are a number of Ninjutsu that do that, and you still have no way of blocking Genjutsu. You have a way to avoid it, which is completely different, and still not balanced really, since the opponent can say "I quickly dash away and up into a tree, out of range". Making it pretty pointless. These rules are just Reality Manipulating Ninjutsu, honestly.

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-25-2009, 06:53 PM
no you got me wrong it was an example a genjtusu woint realy due that

Vivi
12-25-2009, 06:56 PM
Basically you're saying the Genjutsu are causing paralysis/unconsciousness, right? There are a number of Ninjutsu that do that, and you still have no way of blocking Genjutsu. You have a way to avoid it, which is completely different, and still not balanced really, since the opponent can say "I quickly dash away and up into a tree, out of range". Making it pretty pointless. These rules are just Reality Manipulating Ninjutsu, honestly.

Yeah "I run from the opponent's Sharingan eye's cause I suspect a Genjutsu"

Fights are in character so I don't suppose they can see what we read.
Att: "I Attempt using Genjutsu Level 4: TBC Fangirl Jutsu to make my opponent think I am TBC and faint"

The defendant got no way of knowing what the Att will do since Genjutsu are surprise element and can't be countered once in it.

Nick Tasogare
12-25-2009, 06:58 PM
Yeah "I run from the opponent's Sharingan eye's cause I suspect a Genjutsu"

Fights are in character so I don't suppose they can see what we read.
Att: "I Attempt using Genjutsu Level 4: TBC Fangirl Jutsu to make my opponent think I am TBC and faint"

The defendant got no way of knowing what the Att will do since Genjutsu are surprise element and can't be countered once in it.

Exactly, Genjutsu are an intellectual Ninjutsu according to the series, and are sneak attacks basically. You can't really do that in a narrative based RP fairly. Unfortunately, I don't have any ideas on how to help you.

Vivi
12-25-2009, 07:05 PM
Exactly, Genjutsu are an intellectual Ninjutsu according to the series, and are sneak attacks basically. You can't really do that in a narrative based RP fairly. Unfortunately, I don't have any ideas on how to help you.

I don't need help.:shock:

nightfire
12-25-2009, 07:12 PM
i think genjutsu would be cool and im a major genjutsu fan. but like the others have said it doenst really work in this kind of battle system. either they would be way to weak and have no effect or if the oppenent doesnt have a way to counter it, they become a god move....i hope we can get genjutsu to work but i dont see it happening.

Nick Tasogare
12-25-2009, 07:13 PM
I don't need help.:shock:

Not you, him and his idea xD

Toma RNK
12-25-2009, 07:13 PM
I don't need help.:shock:


I loled.

Vivi
12-25-2009, 08:09 PM
Not you, him and his idea xD

Oh...:oops:
Embarassing.
Sorry about it.

I had an Idea about the Genjutsu part.=/
Anti-Genjutsu like Sakura did in the Chuunin Exams but that won't work IMO.

Since this is official it won't work:
Not sure if it has been considered by the WC.
Tag Team Fights.
2 vs 2.

Toma RNK
12-25-2009, 08:12 PM
Oh...:oops:
Embarassing.
Sorry about it.

I had an Idea about the Genjutsu part.=/
Anti-Genjutsu like Sakura did in the Chuunin Exams but that won't work IMO.

Since this is official it won't work:
Not sure if it has been considered by the WC.
Tag Team Fights.
2 vs 2.


List of things the WC plans:

Step 1: Get war system live.
Step 2: Chunin Exams.
Step 3: 2v2 3v3 and 2v1 battle rules.

Vivi
12-25-2009, 08:13 PM
List of things the WC plans:

Step 1: Get war system live.
Step 2: Chunin Exams.
Step 3: 2v2 3v3 and 2v1 battle rules.

Made my whole day.Thanks.

Toma RNK
12-25-2009, 08:14 PM
Made my whole day.Thanks.
Of course, steps 1 and 2 have to actually happen first, and the lockdown is interfering with step 1.

Nick Tasogare
12-25-2009, 08:15 PM
*shakes fist angrily*

Toma RNK
12-25-2009, 08:19 PM
*shakes fist angrily*

*shakes his fist too*

Vivi
12-25-2009, 08:33 PM
*shakes fist angrily*

I think this fits perfect:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/Unlimited_Blade_Works/obd.gif

HISASHI HIROYUKI
12-26-2009, 08:34 AM
ok so we already have ranges and things how due we escape a genjutsu

i only have one idea

genjutsu release : of lv 1 will release a genjutsu of lv1 and so on



( thast the only way and like i said before jonin are the only one who can trap thier opponnre on a genjutsu and be able to move freely to attack the opponent body , other rank needs to keep thier hand tigth close to keep thier opponnrt chakra level mess up)

thats the 1 ways to block a genjutsu

my 2 idea is this


( user of ninjutsu can simply increase thier level of chakra and block the genjutsu by stopping the genjutsu user from mesting up thier chakra levels

so let say the opponnet uses a lv5 genjutsu it take like 5 point out the chakra pool so the ninjutsu user has to increase thier chakra to the using a lv5 ninjutsu with out using them and loses 5 points as well and because they didn really attack the opponnet they can still use a lv5 that round )


how due we work with reality

( we dont each genjutsu has a ability for example


(crows of death lv1)

preparation time : the user must keep thier hands touching together with the form of ram hand seal ( if jounin rank not neccesary )

range : 5 meter from the user( so only wotks if the opponent is within five meter s)
wekneses;genjutsu release lv3/increase of chakra to a lv3

discription: this jutsu is a genjutsu that when the opponent is trap they will see the user of the genjutsu die and then , the genjutsu will release it self ) making the opponent think his dead ( and dosent make any sort of damage )



some genjutsu relase it self wich are genjutsu that are use to confused the opponent but thier are rules and this jutsu is easy to conuter i mean it just make the opponent thinkt thier opponent is dead then the other opponnet could attack from behind or something but htier is way to counter this things so easy )




new rules

( thier are genjutsu that just create illusion to make the opponent see thier opponent body get blaste, die and th egenjutsu dosent create any sort of damge to the opponent it just confuses them ( can still be relase how can the opponent tell is a genjutsu )




( evrey time the user creates a genjutsu the genjutsu will be in color red so they always have to mention the area became red inside the genjutsu )


( i have more ideas )

Konoha'sGreenThunder
12-27-2009, 11:38 AM
I have no idea what you mean by increasing chakra levels.

So, the other option is simply that you must learn a genjutsu release jutsu for each level of genjutsu.

I don't see how this is fair; you have no way to strategically counter your opponent's attack, you simply are caught in the jutsu and you either have the correct jutsu to counter it, or you don't.

You opponent has no chance to counter, making it godmodding. Basically, this would make genjutsu releases a must have for people, as if they come across a genjutsu user they have no way of avoiding the attack.

Furthermore, if your opponent has these release jutsus, there's no use for the genjutsus at all, as they can simply use their jutsu to escape yours. See, there's no strategy, tactics, cunning creativity, or anything else involved.

HISASHI HIROYUKI
01-02-2010, 12:05 PM
list of genjutsu problems.

*no weakneses ( problem 1 )

* realiy problems ( problem 2 )

* no way to create tatics,stragety and more. ( problem 3)

* ranges ( problem 4)

* creating a fair kg . ( problem 5 )



solution ( to problems 0





solution to problem (1)

( in order to make genjutsu have weaknesses i came up with the fallowing idea's)



*genjutsu can have elemental abilities so for example




ligthing style genjutsu: ar genjutsu that when trap the opponnet the genjutsu is related to ligthing only so inside the genjutsu only ligthing can be seen or use to make illusion or fakes attack for example : a cloud appears in the opponnet back and he dies in the flash of a ligthing bolt then the battle fireld is made of lighting in the genjutsu ( thats only a example i know a little stupid example but you get the idea )


weakneses ( any ninjutsu of wind element so inside the genjutsu the user can simply use wind style ninjutsu as a defense )



( and the same for earth style genjutsu and more and they all have wekneses according to the genjutsu type elemental )





solution to problem 2

( each genjutsu will just last one round and each genjutsu has a ability so thier is not really a problem in reality because the user cannot make up what happens )



solution to problem 3


( due to ranges, and elemental wekneses to genjutsu stragety could be uses )



solution to rpblem ( 4,5, )



ranges : like i said before lv1 the opponent has to be 5 meter close ect .


( how to create a kg )


make it about one elemental genjutsu type or whatever you one but have a ninjutsu wekness.