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Kagura
12-24-2009, 10:41 AM
ok everytime i debate there is this " hinata does so much for naruto"

ok when did she do so much for naruto compare to sakura?

i know hinata loves naruto (to me just admires him alot) but did she ever do anything for him?

sakura at least visits naruto when injured and always try to chear naruto up. she belives in him when fighting kiba hinata sosent show any signs of hope till the end of the fight.

what saying is you keep saying she does things for naruto while i say shes just put in the manga to be the girl that likes the loser which is unrequested.

no fight fight i just want evidence of what hinata did for naruto and how much she does compair to sakura for naruto.

it just seems to me that she really didnt do that much.

even if she loves him, why did she not reach out to him when they were in the acadamy, why did she not reach torwds him like sakura sasuke kakashi hirizen and iruka did.

you say she does more for him because she loves him well i want proof on what she does

again not fighting just want answers

+Bruce+
12-24-2009, 10:48 AM
I don't recall Hinata doing anything to help Naruto, Sakura i remember multiple things.

Kagura
12-24-2009, 12:03 PM
another thing i know she saved him but what she did was kind of foolish and not really showing she cares, i mean what she doing dosent make up of what she didn't do for naruto. she even pronounce what she did was selfish which to me her going infront of naruto was for her to confess not to really save him.

Kagura
12-24-2009, 12:30 PM
um is anyone going try to make me understand this here i really just want to know?

kay
12-24-2009, 12:33 PM
sakura also pretty much made Naruto swear he will get suaske back msking him come to near death several times :|

Kagura
12-24-2009, 12:42 PM
sakura also pretty much made Naruto swear he will get suaske back msking him come to near death several times :|


atualy naruto was the one that made the promise all she ask was for him to bring sasuke back. but the hospital seen took your point away since she saw how much the promise means to him. and she would do anyhting to help him reach their goal which was to bring their teamate back.

and that was sakura part 1 who is extremly diffrent from part 2

part 2 sakura would do anything to help naruto and she has, and she dosent do enough now she is trying to stop all his pain putting it on her sholders.

and she is the one that always heals him so sakura compair to hinata daose a hell of a lot for naruto.

oh she even risks her life even more for narutos sake

kay
12-24-2009, 12:45 PM
atualy naruto was the one that made the promise all she ask was for him to bring sasuke back. but the hospital seen took your point away since she saw how much the promise means to him. and she would do anyhting to help him reach their goal which was to bring their teamate back.

and that was sakura part 1 who is extremly diffrent from part 2

part 2 sakura would do anything to help naruto and she has, and she dosent do enough now she is trying to stop all his pain putting it on her sholders.

and she is the one that always heals him so sakura compair to hinata daose a hell of a lot for naruto.

oh she even risks her life even more for narutos sake

hinata practicly and stupidly
sacrfised her self in the pain invaison arc

Kagura
12-24-2009, 12:50 PM
hinata practicly and stupidly
sacrfised her self in the pain invaison arc

i already answer that she did it out of selfish reasons, she knew she wasent going to make it and it was her only chance to confess. she really didnt do much for him she could of made a plan. becaus enaruto is strong very strong and he could of done better then having her do what she did. he kyubi becaus eof what she did which he didnt do because he loves her but go fed up when he saw his friend get parinfuly hurt and died.

friends get like that but compair to the end hinata didnt even see him afterwards instead sakura hug him which was not sibling like.

hinata was not in the hospital since sakura healed her

Major_Redd
12-24-2009, 05:11 PM
Hinata isn't the only one who's thrown his or her life away for someone. Sasuke took a hit for Naruto in part 1, Kakashi was willing to die for Team 7 in the first encounter with Zabuza, and Sakura took a hit for Chiyo. It is a common reoccurance in the Naruto manga. Fans just speculate it as more because it was Naruto and Hinata, and it looks like Hinata isn't going to be quite so meek.

Hinata also foolhardily charged at Pein, fully expecting death. There is a difference between walking into death and actually preventing it for someone else. Hinata acted too much in the heat of the moment and also used it as an opportunity to confess. It was character development for Hinata, not a spark for NaruHina.

The only things Hinata has done other than that is encourage him, and almost everyone has done this at some point.

Inazuma
12-24-2009, 05:13 PM
Did Hinata do anything? If she did, I don't remember, or they were minor things.

Tiago-kun
12-24-2009, 06:49 PM
I haven't read the other posts, I'm sorry but I hope this kinda answers some of your questions.

What has Hinata done for Naruto?

She sacrificed her life for him, when he was fighting Pain. Yes she didn't die, but she could've died.

Yes it is true that Naruto has done a lot for Hinata, but offering your life is the ultimate sacrifice. She could've stayed behind, like Sakura, or even the powerful Neji and all the other shinobi, but she charged in because she loves him.

Did Sakura ever done that? Nope. She just fought her foes like a regular shinobi (a very bad one actualy) and healed his wounds, it's just her job. She probably would do it for Sasuke, but not for Naruto. She scolded him a lot, she argued with him and she felt jealous when he was ackowledged in the Shunin exam by the other girls.

Now the reason why she didn't spoke up before, she explains it. She was terribly fragile and shy. All she could ever say was "Naruto-kun...", but she meant to do it because she would follow Naruto around and spy on him. But she also inspired Naruto when she fought Neji with her Byakugan.

So we can conclude that she inspired him and sacrificed herself for him. That is Love, and she can't offer him more than that. Sakura does not Love Naruto, therefore she can't be expected to do any of those things.


Do you guys remeber the 3 Sannin? Tsunade had a crush on Orochimaru, and acted with Jiraya just the way Sakura acts with Naruto, and like them, Jiraya also had a soft spot for Tsunade. In the end, before Jiraya died, Tsunade considered it that she might feel something for him but it was just too late.

Despite all that can be discussed, Naruto and Sakura could never work, Naruto has a mild infatuation for Sakura, he doesn't realy talk about it, he just finds her attractive, but in Shippuuden he couldn't care less, she 's just one of his closest friends. Naruto and Hinata could work as something different, there could be True Love binding them. Just think about one thing, Naruto never said he "Loved" Sakura. While Hinata said she "Loved" Naruto. So between being attracted to or liking, and feeling actual Love, what could stand?

Kagura
12-24-2009, 07:16 PM
I haven't read the other posts, I'm sorry but I hope this kinda answers some of your questions.

What has Hinata done for Naruto?

She sacrificed her life for him, when he was fighting Pain. Yes she didn't die, but she could've died.

yeah but she didnt because of sakura

Yes it is true that Naruto has done a lot for Hinata, but offering your life is the ultimate sacrifice. She could've stayed behind, like Sakura, or even the powerful Neji and all the other shinobi, but she charged in because she loves him.

how please explain ?

Did Sakura ever done that? Nope. She just fought her foes like a regular shinobi (a very bad one actualy) and healed his wounds, it's just her job. She probably would do it for Sasuke, but not for Naruto. She scolded him a lot, she argued with him and she felt jealous when he was ackowledged in the Shunin exam by the other girls.

scolding is a sign of someone whoi cares naruto does stupid things sometimes and please go back and read kn4 attack or watch in the anime because to me she had a lot of emotion and yamatos speach is all u have to read. atually she inspired by him to get stronger yes she was a bit jelous but not terribly by hateing him.

Now the reason why she didn't spoke up before, she explains it. She was terribly fragile and shy. All she could ever say was "Naruto-kun...", but she meant to do it because she would follow Naruto around and spy on him. But she also inspired Naruto when she fought Neji with her Byakugan.

spying never teachs about someone only the outer of them never the inner of them which sakura startred to see glimps of him under the mask and see his vunrlblty.

So we can conclude that she inspired him and sacrificed herself for him. That is Love, and she can't offer him more than that. Sakura does not Love Naruto, therefore she can't be expected to do any of those things.

no its stupidity litsen hinata charge at pain which was extermly stupid. umm read chapter 469 words came right out of her mouth and part she lied about was having feeling for sasuke still which is still not conformed. she cares alot about naruto i think you should read the manga as a whole.

Do you guys remeber the 3 Sannin? Tsunade had a crush on Orochimaru, and acted with Jiraya just the way Sakura acts with Naruto, and like them, Jiraya also had a soft spot for Tsunade. In the end, before Jiraya died, Tsunade considered it that she might feel something for him but it was just too late.

wah tsunada has a crush on cray oro never saw that. and going for parreles yes both jiraiya and naruto crushes female team mates. and tsunada seem to see her feelings but was too late. and sakura has starated to show her own feeling she even stated she love him. so if naruto is going for jiraiyas goal shoulnt he get the girl of his dreams.

Despite all that can be discussed, Naruto and Sakura could never work, Naruto has a mild infatuation for Sakura, he doesn't realy talk about it, he just finds her attractive, but in Shippuuden he couldn't care less, she 's just one of his closest friends. Naruto and Hinata could work as something different, there could be True Love binding them. Just think about one thing, Naruto never said he "Loved" Sakura. While Hinata said she "Loved" Naruto. So between being attracted to or liking, and feeling actual Love, what could stand?

wth naruto loves sakura it has been confirmed manny times i dont know what u are saying about an infautaion. in chapter naruto states why he fell in love with sakura. its not just atraction read the manga.

Tiago-kun
12-24-2009, 07:19 PM
Yeah, like Sakura would ever look at Naruto. She's obsessed with that sharingan-eyed emo. If she had any feelings for Naruto she would have kind words for him like she had for Sasuke when he left.

Major_Redd
12-24-2009, 07:21 PM
Naruto isn't a glutton for punishment, as far as he's concerned Sakura is still in love with Sasuke so he's not going to confess his feelings (which have been confirmed, by the way). Instead, he expresses his feelings for her by trying to follow through with a lifelong promise, to get back the one SHE loves sh SHE can be happy, even at the cost of his own. I'd say that's true love, personally.

Major_Redd
12-24-2009, 07:24 PM
Yeah, like Sakura would ever look at Naruto. She's obsessed with that sharingan-eyed emo. If she had any feelings for Naruto she would have kind words for him like she had for Sasuke when he left.
First of all, Sakura's feelings for Sasuke haven't been confirmed in awhile. We don't even know if she's still in love with him. Although parts of Sakura's confession may have been false, she made this confession out of love for him, because she wants to ease his burden. Saying that Sakura would never look at Naruto is very bias when she has shown throughout part II that she cares about him greatly. What's left to be seen is exactly how much.

Hinata inspired him once, in his anticipated battle with Neji in the chuunin exams. That was a long time ago with nothing since.

Read my first post for a take on Sakura's confession to Sasuke, remember, she was only 13.

RSAHinataSpringbokF1
12-24-2009, 07:26 PM
Yeah, like Sakura would ever look at Naruto. She's obsessed with that sharingan-eyed emo. If she had any feelings for Naruto she would have kind words for him like she had for Sasuke when he left.
Muito doce. I was referring to what Hinata had done to Naruto, not Sakura and Sasuke. Please, get back on topic.

Tiago-kun
12-24-2009, 07:26 PM
I would say that all that Naruto does is because of his friendship for Sasuke, his connection to Jiraya and his wish to become a Hokage. Also like it has been said, if he's getting out of the way because he wants her to be happy, he knows she won't be happy with him, therefore they cannot be together.

Kagura
12-24-2009, 07:31 PM
I would say that all that Naruto does is because of his friendship for Sasuke, his connection to Jiraya and his wish to become a Hokage. Also like it has been said, if he's getting out of the way because he wants her to be happy, he knows she won't be happy with him, therefore they cannot be together.


it ws for sasuke but also sakura the person he promise the person he loves so danm much as said before naruto said he cant confess to sakura without keeping his promises. he wants her to choose when sasuke is back. yes she wants her happy but if sakura does end up with emo boy he will end up with no one including hinata. and sakura has fallen in love with him we just need to get her danm pov of the confession so narusaku is not out yet and it has way more pontetial then SS epesialy NH

RSAHinataSpringbokF1
12-24-2009, 07:31 PM
I would say that all that Naruto does is because of his friendship for Sasuke, his connection to Jiraya and his wish to become a Hokage. Also like it has been said, if he's getting out of the way because he wants her to be happy, he knows she won't be happy with him, therefore they cannot be together.
This really makes wonder if Hinata will be happy for Naruto in the long road.

Tiago-kun
12-24-2009, 07:32 PM
Claro que

azmerk
12-24-2009, 07:37 PM
atualy naruto was the one that made the promise all she ask was for him to bring sasuke back. but the hospital seen took your point away since she saw how much the promise means to him. and she would do anyhting to help him reach their goal which was to bring their teamate back.

and that was sakura part 1 who is extremly diffrent from part 2

part 2 sakura would do anything to help naruto and she has, and she dosent do enough now she is trying to stop all his pain putting it on her sholders.

and she is the one that always heals him so sakura compair to hinata daose a hell of a lot for naruto.

oh she even risks her life even more for narutos sake

You got some good points..One of the things I constantly see about hinata is her risking her life for naruto. Thing is sakura as like you said risked life for him she ran head long at him while he was in 4 tail fox mode not exactly a bright idea but the she did it to try and stop him.

Tiago-kun
12-24-2009, 07:39 PM
It's funny... one hting that I keep seeing here... it's the "confirmation". Do you people realy need everything constatly explained? Perhaps it's just me and my Literature student character... yes they are teenagers but the creators are not, so you can't expect them to be as inconstant as most teenagers that have a shift of heart everytime they see something new... for ex:

After watching Naruto.
"Oh I love Sasuke! He's so cute..."

After watching twillight.
"Oh my gawd Edward is so cute!!! I love him!!"

Tiago-kun
12-24-2009, 07:40 PM
Hehehe and the discussion goes on!
Oh by the way... Merry Christmas everyone!

Kagura
12-24-2009, 07:51 PM
? how many times has hinata been useful for naruto and any other characters. to me even rock lee shows more power then her and he only can do taijitsu, sakura has also shown her usefulness in her battle with sasori so i want to know how can hinata who really dosent do anything help naruto who holds the kyubi agsainst astuk.i

she dosent have faith in him. she does not have faith in naruto shes worried but she does not have alot of faith dosent belive in him or show it that much heck she doesnt even understand him. sakura learns of naruto additude though out of part and she cheered on naruto in the chuni examms knowing he can beat kiba. she also is jelous but she stated she wants to get stronger because naruto inspired her.

naruto didnt just inspired hinata about never giving up he inspiered most of the rookies. rock lee, sakura ex

and to me rock lee, sakura, worked hard to become what they are now sakura went though hell with tsunada and rock lee always works so danm hard. hinata i saw once did not inprove after the time skip

but i will giver her credit for spitting out her feeling and then going back into the back round

Tiago-kun
12-24-2009, 07:58 PM
I'm sorry, but I find that a very poor argument. Because if we are talking about usefullness the Ramen guy would be the most useful person in the whole history because he prepares Naruto his favourite dish. Or Iruka sensei who was Naruto's best friend when not even Sakura gave a damn about him. Should he perhaps pair up with any of them? I think not.

Major_Redd
12-24-2009, 10:13 PM
I'm sorry, but I find that a very poor argument. Because if we are talking about usefullness the Ramen guy would be the most useful person in the whole history because he prepares Naruto his favourite dish. Or Iruka sensei who was Naruto's best friend when not even Sakura gave a damn about him. Should he perhaps pair up with any of them? I think not.
This is pretty terrible of me, but I'm going to jump on this before I log off for the holidays. Have you read even one section of Part II, sir? You are only referring to Part I and only the beginning part. After Sasuke defected, Sakura began to turn herself around not only for Sasuke, but for Naruto too, so his promise to her wouldn't be so much of a burden.

From the start of Part II, Sakura started acting differently towards Naruto, heck she was even blushing around him until he pulled out his sexy jutsu. As of now in the series, Sakura cares about him more than almost anyone, Hinata included. Sakura was willing to risk her life when Naruto started to go Kyuubi in the battle with Orochimaru, and she was injured. She could have been killed too, but she didn't bat an eye. It was all about saving him. The fact that you say Sakura doesn't give a damn about him is laughable.

Hinata was only there for him once, in the battle with Pein, and that's only because she had the Byakugan and could see what was happening. Had Sakura known, she would have been just as likely to jump in and save him. When Hinata was brought to her, she had no idea that Naruto had been in danger.

So in conclusion, you have a poor argument.

Tiago-kun
12-25-2009, 07:22 AM
No, your argument is in fact poorer. I said not even Sakura gave a damn, please read it well. It's a past tense. So laugh all you want, but then learn some grammar. Plus you are refering to a battle on which Sakura charge in to stop Naruto from fighting, not to face his enemy for him... But then you SIR, say that she had not idea that Naruto had been in danger. Wasn't Tsunade's "pet" with Naruto and with Sakura as well? Plus a huge six tailed fox is very "spottable"... She could see him get close on the toads but she couldn't see the fox... I mean. Please people think. Now if you are trying to prove that Hinata didn't do squat for Naruto please give it up, she's done something.
I see this question is quite debatable but very easily diverted to other subjects. From now on I will leave the decision of NaruHina or NaruSaku, like people say around here, to the almighty Manga writter.

Happy Holidays.

MelisaArtemis
12-25-2009, 04:35 PM
For some reason I find myself agreeing with Tiago... to some extent: Hinata did something for Naruto. Small as it is, she did contribute something for Naruto. The problem here is that Hinata jumps into action based on her lack of believe in Naruto while Sakura shows trust and believe in Naruto.

Now... I don't know which 1 is really more significant than the other, Naruto is the judge for that but I personally think that the difference between the two is plain and simple trust in the character.

I find that Hinata is protecting the idea of Naruto rather than for Naruto himself. In her eyes, Naruto is an almighty person who can overcome anything while the truth is Naruto is a simple human with weakness.

On the other hand, Sakura knows about Naruto's weakness and fear, she witness them first-hand and she knows how much Naruto struggles against them. In that sense, her vision of Naruto is much more down-to-earth. She accept him as he is and she acknowledge his faults, something that she never do for Sasuke.

Kagura
12-25-2009, 04:46 PM
For some reason I find myself agreeing with Tiago... to some extent: Hinata did something for Naruto. Small as it is, she did contribute something for Naruto. The problem here is that Hinata jumps into action based on her lack of believe in Naruto while Sakura shows trust and believe in Naruto.

Now... I don't know which 1 is really more significant than the other, Naruto is the judge for that but I personally think that the difference between the two is plain and simple trust in the character.

I find that Hinata is protecting the idea of Naruto rather than for Naruto himself. In her eyes, Naruto is an almighty person who can overcome anything while the truth is Naruto is a simple human with weakness.

On the other hand, Sakura knows about Naruto's weakness and fear, she witness them first-hand and she knows how much Naruto struggles against them. In that sense, her vision of Naruto is much more down-to-earth. She accept him as he is and she acknowledge his faults, something that she never do for Sasuke.

hm thats interesting so yeah i know that tiago is kinda right about hinata doing jumping to help naruto, but it was still foolish and yeah she dosent have trust to think he could handle.

while sakura shows trust in naruto. i see what your getting at Melisa and i do agree hinata is trying to protect the image of naruto,

while sakura is trying to protect naruto when hes weak

so ok hinata did do something for naruto foolish but helped

and yeah the proud failuer speech also helped him it made him more detirmin to beat neji.

what i really was trying to show is that hinata seems to not do as much as people exsaguate.

i atually wasent trying to say she did nothing. its just im sick of fans exsagurating of what she did for him.

sakura does much for him but, people downcast it as a bbro/sis or friendship realationship.

MelisaArtemis
12-25-2009, 04:55 PM
hm thats interesting so yeah i know that tiago is kinda right about hinata doing jumping to help naruto, but it was still foolish and yeah she dosent have trust to think he could handle.

while sakura shows trust in naruto. i see what your getting at Melisa and i do agree hinata is trying to protect the image of naruto,

while sakura is trying to protect naruto when hes weak

so ok hinata did do something for naruto foolish but helped

and yeah the proud failuer speech also helped him it made him more detirmin to beat neji.

what i really was trying to show is that hinata seems to not do as much as people exsaguate.

i atually wasent trying to say she did nothing. its just im sick of fans exsagurating of what she did for him.

sakura does much for him but, people downcast it as a bbro/sis or friendship realationship.

I think theres a specific reason why Hinata does not contribute as much as Sakura: She never actively trying to help him before her action against Pein. Her contribution for Naruto are always that she happens to be there by chance AKA Naruto finds her by accident not She goes to look for him.

On the other hand, Sakura was always there for him. Sure she's his teammate, but there are times when she out of her own volition choose to look for him.

Kagura
12-25-2009, 05:00 PM
I think theres a specific reason why Hinata does not contribute as much as Sakura: She never actively trying to help him before her action against Pein. Her contribution for Naruto are always that she happens to be there by chance AKA Naruto finds her by accident not She goes to look for him.

On the other hand, Sakura was always there for him. Sure she's his teammate, but there are times when she out of her own volition choose to look for him.

agree with everything you said

MelisaArtemis
12-25-2009, 05:11 PM
I'll answer that 1 in H&E, you can copy paste it from there, I guess

Tiago-kun
12-25-2009, 05:13 PM
Everything seems very fragille in this issue. I couldn't agree more on the argument that Hinata defends the "ideal" Naruto. Well as for Sakura, she does care for him a lot, for example when she tried to protect him when she told him that she loved him, so that he wouldn't go after Sasuke anymore. So it's also true, Sakura's done plenty for Naruto, and I'm affraid that she's done a lot more than Hinata. But then they were on the same team. Also there's a very important fact which is that Hinata doesn't appear that much. The story always focussed on Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke.
One final thing that was pretty much shown in the final chapters of the manga, Sakura is in fact still in love with Sasuke, but she does care a lot for Naruto, which means that she'll keep helping him out. As for Hinata, she takes no part in the story once again so, we have to cling of the little she has done and hope she makes another significant appearance.

MelisaArtemis
12-25-2009, 05:29 PM
Everything seems very fragille in this issue. I couldn't agree more on the argument that Hinata defends the "ideal" Naruto. Well as for Sakura, she does care for him a lot, for example when she tried to protect him when she told him that she loved him, so that he wouldn't go after Sasuke anymore. So it's also true, Sakura's done plenty for Naruto, and I'm affraid that she's done a lot more than Hinata. But then they were on the same team. Also there's a very important fact which is that Hinata doesn't appear that much. The story always focussed on Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke.
One final thing that was pretty much shown in the final chapters of the manga, Sakura is in fact still in love with Sasuke, but she does care a lot for Naruto, which means that she'll keep helping him out. As for Hinata, she takes no part in the story once again so, we have to cling of the little she has done and hope she makes another significant appearance.

Here's the thing Taigo, Hinata is insignificant to the series. She's merely a character that exist solely to push the story forward that happens to accumulate a fanbase, no more, no less. Now... if people want to argue that she have impact in Naruto's life, then this is my response: Almost everyone that show up in the manga have impact in Naruto's life, Shikamaru, Kakashi, Iruka, Gaara and more than a dozen other characters.

Hinata only happen to be the first FEMALE character that show any sign of interest in Naruto.

Tiago-kun
12-25-2009, 05:35 PM
That is correct, plain and simple. The sort of argumen that I was looking forward to see, based on pure fact and well built. Everything in a persons life has a certain impact and it is thanks to those situations that one person builds their character. She is a completely secondary character. You get one rep point because I can't give 20 for that answer.