Jiraiya vs Sasori

[Nero]

Jiraiya vs Sasori
Location : Sannin Battlefield .
Condition : Bloodlusted .

Who wins ?!!

Don't Spam and Say '' Sasori '' only or '' Jiraiya '' only .. Need a reason .. Convincing one ..

EDIT : Sasori Starts in Hiruko ..

[Miles Edgeworth]

Jiraiya could probably win if he starts in Sage Mode due to his increased speed and insane jutsu, but if not then Sasori wins since Iron Sand World Order would hit Jiraiya before he can prep Sage Mode.

[Fan of Minato]

Jiraiya takes this.
His boss summons will buy him some prep for SM, and and Goemon can burn a lot of puppets once SM is activated.
And multiple Boss Summons can overwhelm Sasori.
And Jiraiya has enough speed to keep up with all 298 or any number of puppets and if Sasori uses heart transfer. The puppet he goes into is weak so Jiraiya will still win.

Sasori can't beat Jiraiya.=/
(I didn't mention Massive Rasengan and the other techs by the way)

EDIT: I think Boss summons can buy time against Iron Sand. And besides getting all the Iron Sand takes a bit of prep no? And he has to get the Kage puppet out first. Can't Jiraiya summon Ma and Pa by then?

[Miles Edgeworth]

Jiraiya takes this.
His boss summons will buy him some prep for SM, and and Goemon can burn a lot of puppets once SM is activated.
And multiple Boss Summons can overwhelm Sasori.
And Jiraiya has enough speed to keep up with all 298 or any number of puppets and if Sasori uses heart transfer. The puppet he goes into is weak so Jiraiya will still win.

Sasori can't beat Jiraiya.=/
(I didn't mention Massive Rasengan and the other techs by the way)

EDIT: I think Boss summons can buy time against Iron Sand. And besides getting all the Iron Sand takes a bit of prep no? And he has to get the Kage puppet out first. Can't Jiraiya summon Ma and Pa by then?

Boss Summons won't do much, one scratch means the boss toad is immobilized and then dies, yeah that's really gonna buy Jiraiya time.

Jiraiya's sonic in base form, so there's no way he's outspeeding Iron Sand either.

[321zigzag1]

Swamp of the Underworld will be needed if Jiraiya starts out in base.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Swamp of the Underworld will be needed if Jiraiya starts out in base.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Even still, Sasori can't really "drown" in it since he's a puppet, and immobilizing won't do much since he still controls puppets with his fingers, or with the 100 puppet thing, the mechanism thing on his chest. Sasori himself doesn't even fight until using True Form, so I don't think immobilizing him will do much. Plus the puppets don't really touch the ground so I doubt they'd get caught in it.

[Fan of Minato]

Boss Summons won't do much, one scratch means the boss toad is immobilized and then dies, yeah that's really gonna buy Jiraiya time.

Jiraiya's sonic in base form, so there's no way he's outspeeding Iron Sand either.

Sasori needs time to get the Kage puppet and then get the Iron Sand out, no?
And can't Jiraiya use Swamp of the underworld and restrict Sasori's movements?

And can't Jiraiya summon Ma and Pa by then and go SM with their help?

[Miles Edgeworth]

Sasori needs time to get the Kage puppet and then get the Iron Sand out, no?
And can't Jiraiya use Swamp of the underworld and restrict Sasori's movements?

And can't Jiraiya summon Ma and Pa by then and go SM with their help?

Yeah, all but 5 seconds.

Swamp of the Underworld hasn't shown the ability to restrict Sasori's finger movements, plus I don't recall him using that when he was bloodlusted.

If Jiraiya could summon Ma and Pa to go into SM so fast, why didn't he do that against Pain? It's not like he couldn't summon Ma and Pa to go into SM immediately when 2 bodies don't even have long range and the other one relies on summons himself, by that time Pain would've only summoned one animal, so Jiraiya could've easily summoned Ma and Pa for insta-Sage Mode but he didn't, so that tells me that he can't do it immediately.

[321zigzag1]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Even still, Sasori can't really "drown" in it since he's a puppet, and immobilizing won't do much since he still controls puppets with his fingers, or with the 100 puppet thing, the mechanism thing on his chest. Sasori himself doesn't even fight until using True Form, so I don't think immobilizing him will do much. Plus the puppets don't really touch the ground so I doubt they'd get caught in it.

Still Sasori can sink in it.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Still Sasori can sink in it.

I would think that Iron Sand could hit Jiraiya before Sasori could completely sink anyway. Poison gas could also be an issue for Jiraiya.

[Ragato]

Jiraiya would win if he summons Gamabunta and uses toad flame bombs to burn the puppets.Then he can use the massive rasengan to take them down.Then with Gamabunta he can burn up Sasori and do the same thing.

[321zigzag1]

I would think that Iron Sand could hit Jiraiya before Sasori could completely sink anyway. Poison gas could also be an issue for Jiraiya.


Hence why distance plays a role here.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Jiraiya would win if he summons Gamabunta and uses toad flame bombs to burn the puppets.Then he can use the massive rasengan to take them down.Then with Gamabunta he can burn up Sasori and do the same thing.

Toad Flame Bombs takes prep, and Gamabunta is a big target, Sasori can easily hit him with a poisonous weapon, taking him out.

Doesn't Jiraiya need to be in SM to use Massive Rasengan?

Gamabunta can't do anything if he's poisoned.

[Ragato]

true i forgot about the prep

[Nero]

Guys , If Sasori used the Kazekage puppet , He can't use the 100 puppet technique and Vice Versa ..

And if Sasori used Kazekage puppet , Swamp of the underworld will be to effective gains time , for Jiraiya plus The Boss Summons .. Jiraiya will have all the time to enter SM .. And Can SpeedBlitz easily ..

I politely disagree with you Rocklee , But Boss summons wll be hard target if a Toad attacked first ..

[Miles Edgeworth]

Guys , If Sasori used the Kazekage puppet , He can't use the 100 puppet technique and Vice Versa ..

And if Sasori used Kazekage puppet , Swamp of the underworld will be to effective gains time , for Jiraiya plus The Boss Summons .. Jiraiya will have all the time to enter SM .. And Can SpeedBlitz easily ..

I politely disagree with you Rocklee , But Boss summons wll be hard target if a Toad attacked first ..

Proof? Sasori controls TK with his fingers and 100 puppets with a mechanism in his body.

Sasori gets caught in Swamp of the Underworld, Sasori has TK shoot Iron Sand. Whoop de doo, Sasori got caught but he can still attack Jiraiya.

Jiraiya can't speedblitz Sasori in base form.

But that's the thing, the boss summons won't attack first, there's no way a boss summon would be aware of the poison and one scratch numbs the body and the boss summon dies.

Meanwhile, Jiraiya gets confused about what's going on and is left vulnerable to attack.

[Nero]

Proof? Sasori controls TK with his fingers and 100 puppets with a mechanism in his body. Never Showed that he can or will he do .. Feats and Facts doesn't support you here ..

Sasori gets caught in Swamp of the Underworld, Sasori has TK shoot Iron Sand. Whoop de doo, Sasori got caught but he can still attack Jiraiya.

Jiraiya can't speedblitz Sasori in base form. I meant in SM ..

But that's the thing, the boss summons won't attack first, there's no way a boss summon would be aware of the poison and one scratch numbs the body and the boss summon dies. Jiraiya will summon the boss summons where Sasori is Hiruko form .. Sasori can't do much in Hiruko's form ..

Meanwhile, Jiraiya gets confused about what's going on and is left vulnerable to attack. i think this is a joke , Isn't it ?!! Get Confused , Nice joke mate ..

Blue . I am breaking the rules and Debating against Rocklee , May be I lost my mind .. :roll:

[Miles Edgeworth]

Sasori didn't take them seriously until after TK was destroyed, that's why he didn't use it. If Sasori didn't need to use 101 puppets, why would he? Besides, you still haven't disproved the fact that Sasori channels control of 100 puppets from the mechanism and TK from his fingers. This means he can control 101 puppets.

The thing is, Jiraiya won't get a chance to get into SM with Sasori's attacks. If he starts in SM he wins, but that's common knowledge.

If Sasori realizes Hiruko won't work, do you think he'll just stand there and ask Gamabunta to squish him? He'll get out, summon TK, and kill Gamabunta, screwing Jiraiya's prep.

Jiraiya can't do crap to prep SM if his boss toads get screwed over, there's just no way he can find an area to avoid Sasori. Once Bunta dies, he's pretty much screwed, it's pretty obvious that Sasori can do the same to Hiro and Ken, and that's pretty much all Jiraiya has for a distraction.

Location is Sannin Battlefield, that's an open field, he can't hide from Sasori either.

[sarutobi17]

jiraiya it should be simple for him he faced pain did great there,and he's sannin and powerful enough to take on orochimaru with out sagemode and he's got jutsu to counter the iron sand outside of sagemode,he could beat sasori with out sagemode.in basics my reason is jiraiya has faced alot stronger ninja then sasori.

[Miles Edgeworth]

jiraiya it should be simple for him he faced pain did great there,and he's sannin and powerful enough to take on orochimaru with out sagemode and he's got jutsu to counter the iron sand outside of sagemode,he could beat sasori with out sagemode.in basics my reason is jiraiya has faced alot stronger ninja then sasori.

Yeah, but the thing is Sasori was stronger than any of the Pain bodies Jiraiya defeated. Even then he required Sage Mode for it and Sasori's battle style is something that can keep Jiraiya on his toes and is more harmful than Animal, Human, or Preta Path.

Zomg he's a Sannin, so what can Tsunade beat Sasori now too? =/

Yeah, Jiraiya faced Orochimaru with no arms during the series. Yeah apparently Armless Oro>Sasori now.

Lol what jutsu could he possibly use to counter Iron Sand, Iron Sand is supersonic, none of Jiraiya's Base Mode Jutsu are that fast. Also one scratch means death, Jiraiya isn't the kind of guy who attempts to play defensive and avoid all injury, he takes risks to win his battles with offense and often sustains injury through it.

The only person stronger than Sasori that Jiraiya ever fought seriously was Pain, even then Jiraiya needed Sage Mode to beat 1/2 of the Pain bodies.

You don't know anything about Sasori's potential.

[Nero]

Sakura and Chiyo managed to avoid the Iron Sand attacks
And Jiraiya can just Do Bringing down the house jutsu to buy time .. And Hiding in a frog Jutsu to go to SM .. And the toad can just go in the water which is in the location ..

[sarutobi17]

i don't think you know the meaning of sannin there was more then one battle between oro and jiraiya and if chiyo(i know chiyo is a legend puppet master)but still if she and sakura can beat sasori tsunade can on her own and jiraiya has barrier jutsu,dark swamp which he used to sink giant three or two headed snakes and he faced oro with no arms having his own problem because the drug tsunade put in his drink.and jiraiya might not be all speed like iron sand but he has jutsu like ones i already mentioned plus the hair jutsu he has and he has who knows how many different versions of the rasengan and sasori has already been defeated by two ninja who aren't in jiraiya's league.i didn't see nero's post til after this one was posted.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Sakura and Chiyo managed to avoid the Iron Sand attacks
And Jiraiya can just Do Bringing down the house jutsu to buy time .. And Hiding in a frog Jutsu to go to SM .. And the toad can just go in the water which is in the location ..

Yeah they avoided it due to being so far away and the fact that Chiyo had 3 shields, and when the shields were done for Sakura got raped by Iron Sand.

What will that seriously do, zomg a giant toad appeared, great, big target for iron Sand.

If Jiraiya does that then he technically leaves the battlefield, you can't leave the battlefield during a fight.

i don't think you know the meaning of sannin there was more then one battle between oro and jiraiya and if chiyo(i know chiyo is a legend puppet master)but still if she and sakura can beat sasori tsunade can on her own and jiraiya has barrier jutsu,dark swamp which he used to sink giant three or two headed snakes and he faced oro with no arms having his own problem because the drug tsunade put in his drink.and jiraiya might not be all speed like iron sand but he has jutsu like ones i already mentioned plus the hair jutsu he has and he has who knows how many different versions of the rasengan and sasori has already been defeated by two ninja who aren't in jiraiya's league.

Orochimaru and Jiraiya never had any battles with feats besides the one where Jiraiya was drugged and Orochimaru had no arms.

*Facepalm to high heaven* Chiyo and Sakura beat Sasori due to PLOT, PREP, ANTIDOTES, AND SASORI BEING EMO AT THE END. Geez, you people need to stop underrating Chiyo and stop believing the plot applies in debates.

Chiyo>Tsunade, if Chiyo and Sakura barely defeated Sasori with all their advantages how would Tsunade? Oh yeah she wouldn't.

Lol you don't even know what the barrier jutsu does. The barrier jutsu allows him to detect movement when an opponent enters it and another one transports them to a toad's stomach, yeah like those are gonna do anything.

Zomg dark swamp caught some giant snakes that were huge targets, that's a major feat. Keep in mind those snakes were slow and easy to catch.

Needle Jizo isn't gonna do crap if Iron Sand is going over there, he's stationary and inefficiently protected so Iron Sand easily hits him.

You do realize that all the Rasengan variations are SAGE MODE EXCLUSIVE, yes?

I bet that if Sakura and Chiyo fought Jiraiya with "antidotes" that made them immune to any jutsu that Jiraiya had that lasted as long as their antidotes against Sasori, they'd win since Jiraiya couldn't do crap to them.

[sharingandeamon24]

i think jiraiya wins even without sage mode he would win he may be pervy but he has alot of good stradegies up his sleve

[Lone Wolf]

i think jiraiya wins even without sage mode he would win he may be pervy but he has alot of good stradegies up his sleve

Face palm... How does base Jiraiya dodge Iron Sand?

[Miles Edgeworth]

Face palm... How does base Jiraiya dodge Iron Sand?

He doesn't xD

[321zigzag1]

If chiyo reacted its reasonable Jiraiya in base can do better.

[sarutobi17]

Yeah they avoided it due to being so far away and the fact that Chiyo had 3 shields, and when the shields were done for Sakura got raped by Iron Sand.

What will that seriously do, zomg a giant toad appeared, great, big target for iron Sand.

If Jiraiya does that then he technically leaves the battlefield, you can't leave the battlefield during a fight.



Orochimaru and Jiraiya never had any battles with feats besides the one where Jiraiya was drugged and Orochimaru had no arms.

*Facepalm to high heaven* Chiyo and Sakura beat Sasori due to PLOT, PREP, ANTIDOTES, AND SASORI BEING EMO AT THE END. Geez, you people need to stop underrating Chiyo and stop believing the plot applies in debates.

Chiyo>Tsunade, if Chiyo and Sakura barely defeated Sasori with all their advantages how would Tsunade? Oh yeah she wouldn't.

Lol you don't even know what the barrier jutsu does. The barrier jutsu allows him to detect movement when an opponent enters it and another one transports them to a toad's stomach, yeah like those are gonna do anything.

Zomg dark swamp caught some giant snakes that were huge targets, that's a major feat. Keep in mind those snakes were slow and easy to catch.

Needle Jizo isn't gonna do crap if Iron Sand is going over there, he's stationary and inefficiently protected so Iron Sand easily hits him.

You do realize that all the Rasengan variations are SAGE MODE EXCLUSIVE, yes?

I bet that if Sakura and Chiyo fought Jiraiya with "antidotes" that made them immune to any jutsu that Jiraiya had that lasted as long as their antidotes against Sasori, they'd win since Jiraiya couldn't do crap to them.if i was only meaning one barrier jutsu i would put the number 1 with it there could be more barrier jutsu jiraiya has,i never said chiyo was weak you asumed that, i said (i know chiyo's a legened puppet master)but still thats what i put nowhere in there did i put she's weak my point is in her old age her and sakura beat sasori i don't care if it was for the plot or not plots have nothing to do with vs threads now on to tsunade sannin she's the one teaching sakura and if you want to use plots,story's ok lets do that sakura could just tell tsunade about his poisons she knows antidotes better then sakura at this point and she can just use pure strength to crush sasori's puppets as for iron sand she's a medic a master medic.jiraiya fine your right about his rasengan versions but thats not all of his jutsu he has plenty of moves,strategy's to counter iron sand i mean come on he got more info on pain then any body on his own,he figured out stuff about pain's style and came up with strategy's for it.and as for his battles with oro i don't think oro had a clue about sage mode there for he could beat oro at full strength with out sagemode.

[itt]

You say we underestimate Sasori, but what are you now doing? Oh yes your underestimating jiraiya. Did we forgot Ma and Pa had the ability to basically put anyone nearby to sleep and have them trapped in a cage where Jiraiya can just stab them (What he did to three of the pains if you ever bothered watching) and don't try talking about iron sand, because it doesn't just move on it's own, someone (sasori) has to be controlling it and he cannot do that while unable to control his body can he?

[Miles Edgeworth]

If chiyo reacted its reasonable Jiraiya in base can do better.

Problem is Jiraiya has no shield and as you said, it depends on distance.

if i was only meaning one barrier jutsu i would put the number 1 with it there could be more barrier jutsu jiraiya has,i never said chiyo was weak you asumed that, i said (i know chiyo's a legened puppet master)but still thats what i put nowhere in there did i put she's weak my point is in her old age her and sakura beat sasori i don't care if it was for the plot or not plots have nothing to do with vs threads now on to tsunade sannin she's the one teaching sakura and if you want to use plots,story's ok lets do that sakura could just tell tsunade about his poisons she knows antidotes better then sakura at this point and she can just use pure strength to crush sasori's puppets as for iron sand she's a medic a master medic.jiraiya fine your right about his rasengan versions but thats not all of his jutsu he has plenty of moves,strategy's to counter iron sand i mean come on he got more info on pain then any body on his own,he figured out stuff about pain's style and came up with strategy's for it.and as for his battles with oro i don't think oro had a clue about sage mode there for he could beat oro at full strength with out sagemode.

So you ignore the fact that Chiyo and Sakura beat Sasori in a cheap manner just to satisfy your needs and to make your argument look better? With no antidotes Sakura and Chiyo would've been roflstomped, just because you're too ignorant to see that, it doesn't mean it's not true, it just means you're too lazy to accept it.

In a debate such as this no character can have prep knowledge on the other or it's an unfair fight, once again you try to ignore common debate conditions to satisfy your argument and when someone makes a point about it you ignore it because you think you're right.

Yeah, strength really helped Sakura to break any puppets besides Hiruko without an antidote.

Oh right, so now you think that while Sakura and Tsunade are dying of poison, that they're gonna magically kick in with their brains and somehow create an antidote as they die? If they could do that, why didn't Sakura do that at the end of the battle with Sasori? Oh yeah she didn't, that's why Chiyo had to use her reanimation jutsu to save Sakura. You know, both Sakura and Chiyo could've ended up dying even after Sasori was killed, and even though Chiyo saved Sakura, Chiyo still ended up dying, even if she didn't save Gaara she would've died from the poison.

I like how you can't prove exactly how Jiraiya can avoid Iron Sand, you just say "well Jiraiya can use one of his many jutsus and use his intelligence!" the thing is Jiraiya couldn't make strategies to kill Pain until he went into Sage Mode, the thing is against Sasori he can't do that.

What the crap did you mean with that last sentence, Orochimaru doesn't know about SM so that means Jiraiya can beat him without it? What kind of logic is this?

In any case Orochimaru stomps Base Jiraiya, Base Jiraiya can't kill Manda or Hydra, Manda could've killed Bunta in a one on one fight.

[Lone Wolf]

i swear rocklee u are retarted and blind to your own writing. You say we underestimate Sasori, but what are you now doing? Oh yes your udnerestimating jiraiya. Did we forgot Ma and Pa had the ability to basically put anyone nearby to sleep and have them trapped in a cage where Jiraiya can just stab them (What he did to three of the pains if you ever bothered watching) and don't try talking about iron sand, because it doesn't just move on it's own someone(sasori) has to be controlling it and he cannot do that while unable to controll his body can he?

You my friend are retarded so learn before posting. Do you know how long it took Jiraiya to get Ma and Pa out? Sasori can easily speedblitz with Iron Sand way before he gets them out.

[sarutobi17]

i swear rocklee you are retarted and blind to your own writing. You say we underestimate Sasori, but what are you now doing? Oh yes your underestimating jiraiya. Did we forgot Ma and Pa had the ability to basically put anyone nearby to sleep and have them trapped in a cage where Jiraiya can just stab them (What he did to three of the pains if you ever bothered watching) and don't try talking about iron sand, because it doesn't just move on it's own, someone (sasori) has to be controlling it and he cannot do that while unable to control his body can he?
thank you but ma and pa i think are sage mode.

[Lone Wolf]

OH RIGHT GUYS I FORGOT ^_^

HOW WILL MA AND PA PUT SASORI IN GENJUTSU IF HES A PUPPET? xD http://i27.tinypic.com/2z8z3w2.gif

[Miles Edgeworth]

i swear rocklee you are retarted and blind to your own writing. You say we underestimate Sasori, but what are you now doing? Oh yes your underestimating jiraiya. Did we forgot Ma and Pa had the ability to basically put anyone nearby to sleep and have them trapped in a cage where Jiraiya can just stab them (What he did to three of the pains if you ever bothered watching) and don't try talking about iron sand, because it doesn't just move on it's own, someone (sasori) has to be controlling it and he cannot do that while unable to control his body can he?

Aww, some noob wants to come and tell one of the most skilled debaters he's retarded. BAAAAWWWWWWW

I'm not underestimating Jiraiya, I'm giving facts.

*Facepalm* You failed, Jiraiya has to be in Sage Mode to use that genjutsu, not that it matters, Sasori can't be trapped in genjutsu because he's a puppet.

Wrong, Sasori shoots the iron sand as a projectile, try again kid.

I like how you flame someone who you don't know crap about and act like you're smart when you're a massive fail. You don't even know how Sasori fights, just because you can't debate doesn't mean other people are retarded.

Try again noob.

[321zigzag1]

Jiraiya in base will be hard pressed. He will have to use lots of Katons and swamp.

But that diverts him away from SM prep

[Lone Wolf]

Aww, some noob wants to come and tell one of the most skilled debaters he's retarded. BAAAAWWWWWWW

I'm not underestimating Jiraiya, I'm giving facts.

*Facepalm* You failed, Jiraiya has to be in Sage Mode to use that genjutsu, not that it matters, Sasori can't be trapped in genjutsu because he's a puppet.

Wrong, Sasori shoots the iron sand as a projectile, try again kid.

I like how you flame someone who you don't know crap about and act like you're smart when you're a massive fail. You don't even know how Sasori fights, just because you can't debate doesn't mean other people are retarded.

Try again noob.

New people always have an attitude problem, flame people when them self are retarded. It happens here and in OBD.

[ByakuganAlex]

Aww, some noob wants to come and tell one of the most skilled debaters he's retarded. BAAAAWWWWWWW

I'm not underestimating Jiraiya, I'm giving facts.

*Facepalm* You failed, Jiraiya has to be in Sage Mode to use that genjutsu, not that it matters, Sasori can't be trapped in genjutsu because he's a puppet.

Wrong, Sasori shoots the iron sand as a projectile, try again kid.

I like how you flame someone who you don't know crap about and act like you're smart when you're a massive fail. You don't even know how Sasori fights, just because you can't debate doesn't mean other people are retarded.

Try again noob.

the only problem i see here is what you said about the genjutsu. Jiraiya doesn't need to be in sage mode for ma and pa to use the genjutsu. This battle really depends on how the characters start. if both are in their normal modes J man wins. If sasori is out of his defense and jiraiya is normal the Sasori has a chance. if jiraiya is in sage mode and sasori is out of defense the j man wins.
but other than the genjutsu statment i believe your info seems really solid.

[Lone Wolf]

the only problem i see here is what you said about the genjutsu. Jiraiya doesn't need to be in sage mode for ma and pa to use the genjutsu. This battle really depends on how the characters start. if both are in their normal modes J man wins. If sasori is out of his defense and jiraiya is normal the Sasori has a chance. if jiraiya is in sage mode and sasori is out of defense the j man wins.
but other than the genjutsu statment i believe your info seems really solid.

Proof that Jiraiya can win with proper logic please.

[Miles Edgeworth]

the only problem i see here is what you said about the genjutsu. Jiraiya doesn't need to be in sage mode for ma and pa to use the genjutsu. This battle really depends on how the characters start. if both are in their normal modes J man wins. If sasori is out of his defense and jiraiya is normal the Sasori has a chance. if jiraiya is in sage mode and sasori is out of defense the j man wins.
but other than the genjutsu statment i believe your info seems really solid.

But if this is the case, couldn't Jiraiya have summoned Ma and Pa while he was on top of Gamaken and then used genjutsu right after? Imo that would've been a much simpler solution than what he did, so there had to be a reason this didn't work.

[sarutobi17]

Problem is Jiraiya has no shield and as you said, it depends on distance.



So you ignore the fact that Chiyo and Sakura beat Sasori in a cheap manner just to satisfy your needs and to make your argument look better? With no antidotes Sakura and Chiyo would've been roflstomped, just because you're too ignorant to see that, it doesn't mean it's not true, it just means you're too lazy to accept it.

In a debate such as this no character can have prep knowledge on the other or it's an unfair fight, once again you try to ignore common debate conditions to satisfy your argument and when someone makes a point about it you ignore it because you think you're right.

Yeah, strength really helped Sakura to break any puppets besides Hiruko without an antidote.

Oh right, so now you think that while Sakura and Tsunade are dying of poison, that they're gonna magically kick in with their brains and somehow create an antidote as they die? If they could do that, why didn't Sakura do that at the end of the battle with Sasori? Oh yeah she didn't, that's why Chiyo had to use her reanimation jutsu to save Sakura. You know, both Sakura and Chiyo could've ended up dying even after Sasori was killed, and even though Chiyo saved Sakura, Chiyo still ended up dying, even if she didn't save Gaara she would've died from the poison.

I like how you can't prove exactly how Jiraiya can avoid Iron Sand, you just say "well Jiraiya can use one of his many jutsus and use his intelligence!" the thing is Jiraiya couldn't make strategies to kill Pain until he went into Sage Mode, the thing is against Sasori he can't do that.

What the crap did you mean with that last sentence, Orochimaru doesn't know about SM so that means Jiraiya can beat him without it? What kind of logic is this?

In any case Orochimaru stomps Base Jiraiya, Base Jiraiya can't kill Manda or Hydra, Manda could've killed Bunta in a one on one fight.lets talk about ignoring you ignore the fact that iron sand has to have the third kazekage puppet and sasori would need to get it out first,i said i think oro had no clue about sagemode your twisting stuff for your arguement,about info what was it chiyo had what was it sakura managed to have antidotes and chiyo's info since when was info a cheating tatic.i didn't disregard the fact about jiraiya using sagemode against pain but he didn't use it in the beginning did he no he didn't,and intelligence is a key factor when facing opposing ninja,and i didn't disregard the fact chiyo and sakura had luck but they still won and jiraiya has more battle experiance then alot of naruto ninja's he could come up with a counter for iron sand if your going to keep jumping in to the iron sand realize sasori needs to get the right puppet out first,i never underestimate sasori but you are underestimateing jiraiya.

[Lone Wolf]

lets talk about ignoring you ignore the fact that iron sand has to have the third kazekage puppet and sasori would need to get it out first,i said i think oro had no clue about sagemode your twisting stuff for your arguement,about info what was it chiyo had what was it sakura managed to have antidotes and chiyo's info since when was info a cheating tatic.i didn't disregard the fact about jiraiya using sagemode against pain but he didn't use it in the beginning did he no he didn't,and intelligence is a key factor when facing opposing ninja,and i didn't disregard the fact chiyo and sakura had luck but they still won and jiraiya has more battle experiance then alot of naruto ninja's he could come up with a counter for iron sand if your going to keep jumping in to the iron sand realize sasori needs to get the right puppet out first,i never underestimate sasori but you are underestimateing jiraiya.

Dude he is one of the most skilled debaters on the forum who uses feats. Your just an idiotic fanboy who never give proper feats.

[sarutobi17]

Dude he is one of the most skilled debaters on the forum who uses feats. Your just an idiotic fanboy who never give proper feats.
because ones a naruto fan that automatically puts opn's out the window and it's a vs thread last time i checked i just put my opn of who would win and a basic reason why i was planning on having that be my only post about the jiraiya vs sasori topic.

[ByakuganAlex]

But if this is the case, couldn't Jiraiya have summoned Ma and Pa while he was on top of Gamaken and then used genjutsu right after? Imo that would've been a much simpler solution than what he did, so there had to be a reason this didn't work.
he could of but he would then have to combined bodies during the fight which could cause problem.

[Miles Edgeworth]

lets talk about ignoring you ignore the fact that iron sand has to have the third kazekage puppet and sasori would need to get it out first,i said i think oro had no clue about sagemode your twisting stuff for your arguement,about info what was it chiyo had what was it sakura managed to have antidotes and chiyo's info since when was info a cheating tatic.i didn't disregard the fact about jiraiya using sagemode against pain but he didn't use it in the beginning did he no he didn't,and intelligence is a key factor when facing opposing ninja,and i didn't disregard the fact chiyo and sakura had luck but they still won and jiraiya has more battle experiance then alot of naruto ninja's he could come up with a counter for iron sand if your going to keep jumping in to the iron sand realize sasori needs to get the right puppet out first,i never underestimate sasori but you are underestimateing jiraiya.

Omg it takes like 3 seconds to summon Third Kazekage, that's so much time :-o Yeah apparently Jiraiya can get into SM in 3 seconds right? Oh yeah, he can't.

What does Oro not knowing about SM have to do with anything? Yeah SM Jiraiya>Orochimaru but without SM Oro screws him over.

Sakura conveniently saw Kankuro poisoned and made an antidote for it, conveniently fighting Sasori and conveniently having extra antidotes out of nowhere.

The only Pain that Base Jiraiya fought was Animal Path, even then Jiraiya couldn't defeat Animal Path without SM. Yeah Base Jiraiya did really well there. If he couldn't kill Animal Path in base, how would he kill Sasori? =/

Yeah, and apparently Hebi Sasuke>Orochimaru because Orochimaru was dying and Sasuke took advantage of that to "kill" him, and apparently Sasuke>Itachi because Itachi was also dying and went easy on him so Sasuke won. That's basically what I got from you saying "well Sakura and chiyo still won" even though it's blatantly obvious why they won.

The funny thing is that's all you can say, "Well I bet with experience and intelligence he can counter Iron Sand", but the pathetic thing is that you can't prove it, so therefore Jiraiya can't.

I'm not underrating Jiraiya, I know that he's one of the top tiers at his best, and SM Jiraiya>Sasori. But when you can't debate properly it aint my problem.

because ones a naruto fan that automatically puts opn's out the window and it's a vs thread last time i checked i just put my opn of who would win and a basic reason why i was planning on having that be my only post about the jiraiya vs sasori topic.

That's the thing, this is a DEBATE forum. The section says "Endlessly DEBATE hypothetical battles between your favorite Naruto characters. Yes, this is where all of those 'Blank vs. Blank, who would win?' topics go!" Don't expect to come in thinking that you can just say who wins without backing up your opinion and think you can always do that.

[sarutobi17]

where did sasuke,itachi enter this and again i only planned for one post and move on i never said it only took 3 seconds for sage mode why would i put that if that was true why is sage mode so strong then if it only takes 3 seconds it would be stupid if all it took was three seconds and you keep using iron sand as your defense for sasori most of the time i'm not using a certain jutsu for my defense and i never said anything upgrading chiyo and sakura's battle with sasori it was a lucky move for them to have antidotes there because kankuro was poisoned before sakura faced sasori with chiyo so she knew about the poison sasori uses but i'm done there's no point in debating i just will say agree to disagree.

[Miles Edgeworth]

where did sasuke,itachi enter this and again i only planned for one post and move on i never said it only took 3 seconds for sage mode why would i put that if that was true why is sage mode so strong then if it only takes 3 seconds it would be stupid if all it took was three seconds and you keep using iron sand as your defense for sasori most of the time i'm not using a certain jutsu for my defense and i never said anything upgrading chiyo and sakura's battle with sasori it was a lucky move for them to have antidotes there because kankuro was poisoned before sakura faced sasori with chiyo so she knew about the poison sasori uses but i'm done there's no point in debating i just will say agree to disagree.

If you actually took the time to read my post, then you'd know that I made mention of Sasuke because of your logic, you said that plot events don't matter and yet I disproved your point, I bet you realized that and pretended not to just to get over that point.

You said that it takes long for Third Kazekage to be summoned and to make Iron Sand and I disproved it since he summoned him in a panel's amount of time, while Jiraiya took a chapter or two for SM.

And if my counter about Iron Sand is so bad, how come you can't counter it? You always avoid my points and you can't counter them, it's funny.

[sarutobi17]

now this is my final one it's funny you keep saying i said this and make your point on that i never said anything on how long getting a puppet takes or how long the attacks take you said i said that not me,and you keep saying i avoid what you say for my own personal gain but i actually haven't and plots have nothing to do with a hypothetical battle we can't make plots for hypo battles theres my point.and i actually like sasori he's one of my two akatsuki favorites i actually wanted sasori to remain alive and kill madara so he would be in charge instead of madara.

[Miles Edgeworth]

now this is my final one it's funny you keep saying i said this and make your point on that i never said anything on how long getting a puppet takes or how long the attacks take you said i said that not me,and you keep saying i avoid what you say for my own personal gain but i actually haven't and plots have nothing to do with a hypothetical battle we can't make plots for hypo battles theres my point.and i actually like sasori he's one of my two akatsuki favorites i actually wanted sasori to remain alive and kill madara so he would be in charge instead of madara.

And that's why I said that in a fair match, Orochimaru and Itachi destroy Hebi Sasuke and Sasori stomps Chiyo and Sakura =/

All that and you didn't get it?

[sarutobi17]

ok i admit i missed the oro itachi sasuke chiyo part because i was watching the jiraiya sasori part but in my opn oro would stomp sasuke in any state and itachi i think is the strongest of the entire uchiha clan there for he would beat sasuke but he let him win.i agree in a fair battle sasori would beat chiyo and sakura but you must admit chiyo for her old age did very well against sasori.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Orochimaru would certainly defeat Hebi Sasuke, but I don't see him defeating Current Sasuke.

[sarutobi17]

well i see what you mean but in the sasuke killing oro part that was a cheap battle in my opn my reason for it is it wasn't a fair battle.

[SPAM [bot]]

Jiraya has a good chance of winning this depending on who Sasori starts out with.

[sasori1994]

Sasori should be able to win if Jiraiya starts in base, but if Jiraiya starts in Sage mode, Jiraiya stomps. As for the Chiyo and Sakura> Sasori argument, Chiyo knew about Hiruko and the Kazekage Puppet ahead of time, Sakura had two antidotes that could negate Sasori's poison, Sasori decided to only attack Sakura when Chiyo was out of shields, and Sasori decided to commit suicide. After all this, Chiyo still would have died from the poison.

[kakashi 4]

I say Sasori wins because he ould use his Hiroukou puppet, if that failed he would use his third Kazekage puppet, if that fails he would use his army of 100 puppets, if that failed he would use himself and by that time Jaraiya would be to tired out to beat Sasori.

[kakashi 4]

Exactly Sasori1994 Granny Chiyo knew the secret behind all of Sasori's puppets, and Sasori didn't commit suicide, Granny Chiyo used the Mother and Father puppets with poisoned swords and stabbed his life source

[Lone Wolf]

Exactly Sasori1994 Granny Chiyo knew the secret behind all of Sasori's puppets, and Sasori didn't commit suicide, Granny Chiyo used the Mother and Father puppets with poisoned swords and stabbed his life source

Chiyo admitted that Sasori commited suicide.

[sarutobi17]

either way she's one tough granny in my opn.

[Windstorm]

Hmmm, I really feel that people tend underestimate Jiraiya and overestimate Sasori.

While the arguments in Sasori's favor are convincing, I'm gonna go with Jiraiya on this one.

Take into account that Jiraiya, one of the Sannin, has mastered numerous jutsus and techniques. While he does not display an overwhelming amount of intelligence or power, Jiraiya has a lot of experience and an innate ability to survive.

While Sasori may appear to posess more power, I feel that Jiraiya's logic and jutsu are being severely underestimated in this match up.

[sasori1994]

Hmmm, I really feel that people tend underestimate Jiraiya and overestimate Sasori.

While the arguments in Sasori's favor are convincing, I'm gonna go with Jiraiya on this one.

Take into account that Jiraiya, one of the Sannin, has mastered numerous jutsus and techniques. While he does not display an overwhelming amount of intelligence or power, Jiraiya has a lot of experience and an innate ability to survive.

While Sasori may appear to posess more power, I feel that Jiraiya's logic and jutsu are being severely underestimated in this match up.
We cannot assume Jiraiya has more intelligence or power than he has shown. You did not give much of an argument besides Jiraiya's logic and jutsu are enough to beat Sasori. I cannot see any way for Jiraiya to effectively stop iron sand.

[321zigzag1]

Jiraiya has hair needle armor or katons for options but....
Iron sand needles can be launched faster.

Jiraiya in base will be hard pressed.

[Windstorm]

We cannot assume Jiraiya has more intelligence or power than he has shown. You did not give much of an argument besides Jiraiya's logic and jutsu are enough to beat Sasori. I cannot see any way for Jiraiya to effectively stop iron sand.

::sigh::

You're right, but I don't believe that the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence. Jiraiya has proven many times to have various tricks up his sleeves. I want to believe that he would at least give Sasori a run for his money. ...I guess I just jumped to the falsely assumed conclusion that Jiraiya would win simply because I like Jiraiya and strongly dislike Sasori.

[sasori1994]

::sigh::

You're right, but I don't believe that the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence. Jiraiya has proven many times to have various tricks up his sleeves. I want to believe that he would at least give Sasori a run for his money. ...I guess I just jumped to the falsely assumed conclusion that Jiraiya would win simply because I like Jiraiya and strongly dislike Sasori.
It is probable that Jiraiya does have more jutsu than shown, but we cannot use that in a debate. Choosing your prefered character to win is hard to resist though.

[Berzakinski]

Do they both start in their first form? (Jiraiya-base, Sasori-Hiruko)

If so Jiraiya could be given enough time to enter SM befor Sasori decides to leave Hiruko.

[Nero]

Sasori in Hiruko how can he avoid Bringing down the house , It is the move where a toad Surprisingly appear above the opponent and Smash him , And Since Hiruko isn't fast enough to dodge it .. If Sasori didn't Die from the 200 tons Toad dropping on him ,Jiraiya Can go SM , You will say SM needs Prep time , And I found a way >> Jiraiya can perform Hiding in a toad Jutsu , Hiding in a small toad Behind a rock or in the water , Sasori won't Locate him , Inside the Toad Jiraiya Going SM , And Come out of the toad and Can easily SpeedBlitz Sasori ..

And BTW if Swamp of the underworld , Can immobilize Sasori as if Jiraiya made it A little Deep Sasori will Drop in it , You say he can Still Control the puppet But where they would attack , Sasori is Blind in the swamp .. So Jiraiya can Go SM while Sasori is coming out ..

When he is in SM , Jiraiya with Gambunta ROFL STOMP ..

[Lone Wolf]

Sasori in Hiruko how can he avoid Bringing down the house , It is the move where a toad Surprisingly appear above the opponent and Smash him , And Since Hiruko isn't fast enough to dodge it .. If Sasori didn't Die from the 200 tons Toad dropping on him ,Jiraiya Can go SM , You will say SM needs Prep time , And I found a way >> Jiraiya can perform Hiding in a toad Jutsu , Hiding in a small toad Behind a rock or in the water , Sasori won't Locate him , Inside the Toad Jiraiya Going SM , And Come out of the toad and Can easily SpeedBlitz Sasori ..

And BTW if Swamp of the underworld , Can immobilize Sasori as if Jiraiya made it A little Deep Sasori will Drop in it , You say he can Still Control the puppet But where they would attack , Sasori is Blind in the swamp .. So Jiraiya can Go SM while Sasori is coming out ..

When he is in SM , Jiraiya with Gambunta ROFL STOMP ..


So does Sasori starts out in Hiruko or in his true form using Kazekage Puppet?

[MannyGAGA]

jariya wins

sasori takes out all the puppets to attack,jariya boss summon big frog

big frog use watersltye:water bullet

the water bullet smacks into the puppets

jariya goes in for the kill.

[Lone Wolf]

jariya wins

sasori takes out all the puppets to attack,jariya boss summon big frog

big frog use watersltye:water bullet

the water bullet smacks into the puppets

jariya goes in for the kill.


Dude how would Jiraiya counter Iron Sand Order? Jiraiya in Base is only like Sonic or Sub Sonic while Iron Sand is Supersonic.

[MannyGAGA]

Dude how would Jiraiya counter Iron Sand Order? Jiraiya in Base is only like Sonic or Sub Sonic while Iron Sand is Supersonic.

if granny and sakura was able to get away form it then jariya will also beable to get away form it.

and water bullets will stop iron sand.

[Lone Wolf]

if granny and sakura was able to get away form it then jariya will also beable to get away form it.

and water bullets will stop iron sand.


Chiyo and Sakura would of got rapestomped by Order without those Puppet Chakra Shields, so learn your facts before debating... Water isn't strong enough to stop Iron.

[MannyGAGA]

but a boss summoned frog is,please stop personally attacking me.

and so what they had shields,shields are protectors and can be used in any fight.

[Lone Wolf]

but a boss summoned frog is,please stop personally attacking me.

Lol Boss Summons are big and easier target for Iron Sand, 1 scratch and you go immobilized and die. Your not even debating properly, I suggest you learn how to debate from Outskirts Battle Dome in Naruto Forums.

and so what they had shields,shields are protectors and can be used in any fight.

Thats not the point -_- Chiyo had those shields but Jiraiya doesn't so how can he stop Iron Sand?

My answers are in red.

[MannyGAGA]

sakura punched and kicked the iron sand

jariya can do the same and if its sm he knocks iron sand to next week.

[Lone Wolf]

sakura punched and kicked the iron sand

jariya can do the same and if its sm he knocks iron sand to next week.


IDIOT YOU REALLY NEED TO LEARN YOUR FEATS...

Sakura punched Iron Sand because it was in a rectangular shape, its not for scratching, its for crushing. Sasori can easily use Iron Sand Order to kill Jiraiya, I bet your gonna say Jiraiya can punch that too Lol...

SM takes like 5 min prep time which Sasori can kill Jiraiya way before then.

[MannyGAGA]

ok im telling you again dont personally attack me.


ok i forgot he can make it into a shape or an non shape.


jariya use his boss summon oil and his fire sltye to make a big flame bomb.

[Lone Wolf]

ok im telling you again dont personally attack me.


ok i forgot he can make it into a shape or an non shape.


jariya use his boss summon oil and his fire sltye to make a big flame bomb.

Before I say anything, can you freaking use some grammar?

And Its your fault for not giving proper feats...

Like I said before, Boss Summon is an easy target, Supersonic Iron Sand can just scratch the Boss Summon and immobilizing it before it does anything.

[MannyGAGA]

Before I say anything, can you freaking use some grammar?

And Its your fault for not giving proper feats...

Like I said before, Boss Summon is an easy target, Supersonic Iron Sand can just scratch the Boss Summon and immobilizing it before it does anything.

ok im going to walk out then walk back in.

*walks out,then walks back in*

ok if boss summons dont work then how about the frogs he used to turn into sm(not saying he will turn sm) there small and are very powerful

i think genjustu will be used.

[Lone Wolf]

ok im going to walk out then walk back in.

*walks out,then walks back in*

ok if boss summons dont work then how about the frogs he used to turn into sm(not saying he will turn sm) there small and are very powerful

i think genjustu will be used.

Don't blame me for attacking you but your really stupid you know?

First I told you, use some grammar.

Second, Genjutsu don't freaking work on a puppet.

Third, It took Jiraiya forever to summon Ma and Pa.

Please use some proper feats next time.

[MannyGAGA]

Don't blame me for attacking you but your really stupid you know?

First I told you, use some grammar.

Second, Genjutsu don't freaking work on a puppet.

Third, It took Jiraiya forever to summon Ma and Pa.

Please use some proper feats next time.


im not stupid thats number one

i dont have to listen to you

ok so genjustu wont work

so what is took him a long time,he can run like he did in the fight with nagato.


please u dont know the rules of debating,you know how to,but dont know the rules.

you have personally attacked me LOTS of times,it says you debate friendly,not telling some one thier dumb.

its sad really.

[Lone Wolf]

im not stupid thats number one

i dont have to listen to you

ok so genjustu wont work

so what is took him a long time,he can run like he did in the fight with nagato.


please u dont know the rules of debating,you know how to,but dont know the rules.

you have personally attacked me LOTS of times,it says you debate friendly,not telling some one thier dumb.

its sad really.

Your the ones who don't know the battle debating rules.

You can't run in a battle debate...

[MannyGAGA]

Your the ones who don't know the battle debating rules.

You can't run in a battle debate...

who said i was running?

[Lone Wolf]

who said i was running?

Not you, Jiraiya or anyone can't run from the battle their in.

Like Jiraiya can't run away from the battle just because he need to summon some Toads.

[MannyGAGA]

Not you, Jiraiya or anyone can't run from the battle their in.

Like Jiraiya can't run away from the battle just because he need to summon some Toads.

how can you say he can't run?

he ran in the series,so he can run now.

[Lone Wolf]

how can you say he can't run?

he ran in the series,so he can run now.

Omg Omg Omg...

Thats in the Manga... Manga don't play fair.

This is a Battle Debating Thread, you need to fight fair which include no running...

[MannyGAGA]

no that happen in both manga and the show.

yes like you said a BATTLE DEBATING THREAD which means anything goes to win the fight,running included.

[Lone Wolf]

no that happen in both manga and the show.

yes like you said a BATTLE DEBATING THREAD which means anything goes to win the fight,running included.

Can you get me a line saying running is allowed in the Outskirt Battle Dome?

[MannyGAGA]

Can you get me a line saying running is allowed in the Outskirt Battle Dome?

im not apart of the "OUTSKIRT BATTLE DOME"

i like to use facts not fiction.

[Lone Wolf]

im not apart of the "OUTSKIRT BATTLE DOME"

i like to use facts not fiction.


For your information, Battle Debate is created by fans and fans make the rules...

[MannyGAGA]

hmmm so there are rules in fighting?

ok maybe i do need to learn from there.......

how do i go there?

[Lone Wolf]

hmmm so there are rules in fighting?

ok maybe i do need to learn from there.......

how do i go there?

Search Outskirt Battle Dome in Google and click the first option.

[MannyGAGA]

Search Outskirt Battle Dome in Google and click the first option.

ok thanks