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Nero
11-15-2009, 12:27 PM
My Friend 123zigzag1 , Deleted Phrase .. So I am giving him this challenge ..
Kakashi vs the Raikage ..

And I am saying Kakashi copying the Lightning Armor giving him insane Speed ( SuperSonic or Hypersonic ) , And Insane Rection Time with the edition of the Variety of elemental jutsus So what do u think ?!!

Inazuma
11-15-2009, 12:29 PM
Woah. that'd be a close fight. I dunno, it depends on a lot of things.

flamey234
11-15-2009, 12:32 PM
Lightning's weakness is wind but I have only seen Kakashi use earth, water, fire, and lightning. I haven't seen a single wind jutsu from him (that I can remember)
my percentages:
Raikage:60%
Kakashi:40%

Kisame
11-15-2009, 12:33 PM
You need handseals to copy a jutsu, Kakashi can't copy Raiton Armor, plus Raikage has bijuu level chakra that helps him maintain it, Kakashi would be exhausted in a few minutes and couldn't use Raikage's super shunshin because of his low chakra.

Also, Sasuke had good reaction time and Sharingan, that's why he could react to Raikage if barely, so no, 98% of the characters can't track him, I doubt Kakashi can.

Raikage speedblitzes Kakashi can smashes his head.

Kizomaru Yukimoto
11-15-2009, 12:33 PM
My Friend 123zigzag1 , Says that everyone in Naruto Series Can Track the raikage .. So I am giving him this challenge ..
Kakashi vs the Raikage ..

And I am saying Kakashi copying the Lightning Armor giving him insane Speed ( SuperSonic or Hypersonic ) , And Insane Rection Time with the edition of the Variety of elemental jutsus So what do u think ?!!


I'd be close fight.. Umm Id have to go with Kakashi Cause he can use MS

Nero
11-15-2009, 12:34 PM
Lightning's weakness is wind but I have only seen Kakashi use earth, water, fire, and lightning. I haven't seen a single wind jutsu from him (that I can remember)
my percentages:
Raikage:60%
Kakashi:40%

It doesn't need wind to kill a lightning user .. Iron can beat Iron .. Lightning Can beat Lightning .. So , Wind or No wind .. I dunno ..

mdog3160
11-15-2009, 12:35 PM
yep,you are correct

kazzim13
11-15-2009, 12:36 PM
Raikage proved he could beat the MS against Sasuke because he dodged ammateratsu. I don't think Kakashi would be up for this challenge. Raikage has too much speed, power, and durability with his lightning armor up.

Kisame
11-15-2009, 12:37 PM
It doesn't need wind to kill a lightning user .. Iron can beat Iron .. Lightning Can beat Lightning .. So , Wind or No wind .. I dunno ..


No, but thanks to his Raiton Armor Chidori barely managed to scratch him and a steel cutting sword bounced off his skin, and Kakashi can't copy Raiton Armor like I said.

Kamui is useless in front of Raikage's Super Shunshin.

flamey234
11-15-2009, 12:38 PM
It doesn't need wind to kill a lightning user .. Iron can beat Iron .. Lightning Can beat Lightning .. So , Wind or No wind .. I dunno ..
I know but still, I don't think a lot of Kakashi's jutsu would actually be able to make it to hit Raikage. Just look at what happened to Sasuke when he tried to fight Raikage (and he was using Susanoo but granted he was already tired). I think this might actually come up as an actual fight in the manga to give Kakashi a chance for proof for his jutsu's name of Lightning Blade.

Nero
11-15-2009, 12:48 PM
You need handseals to copy a jutsu, Kakashi can't copy Raiton Armor, plus Raikage has bijuu level chakra that helps him maintain it, Kakashi would be exhausted in a few minutes and couldn't use Raikage's super shunshin because of his low chakra.

Also, Sasuke had good reaction time and Sharingan, that's why he could react to Raikage if barely, so no, 98% of the characters can't track him, I doubt Kakashi can.

Raikage speedblitzes Kakashi can smashes his head.

BTW Kakashi can Copy the raiton Armor , Why ?!! Sharingan just don't need hand seals to copy jutsus , Sharingan can see the Chakra pathway system , And Sharingan is just a tool , It memorize the jutsu with the chakra pathway action and Reaction when doing the jutsu , So The user can simply copy it and with an pro copycat ninja ' Kakashi ' , He can copy it .. And that is a fact ..

Kisame , Was it to maintain the Raiton Armor you need high Chakra , I don't remember that ?!!
PS. Kakashi is not low at chakra , His Chakra is a jonnin level chakra , May be a bit more .. it is normal not low not high

And you guys saying that Sasuke's Sharingan is better that Kakashi's !!! That is crap , Kakashi is more experienced with it , more pro .. So i think with Kakashi's speed Close to the raikage , And with Kakashi's Sharingan .. I don't know .. ( I am not siding with Kakashi ) ..

Kisame
11-15-2009, 12:55 PM
BTW Kakashi can Copy the raiton Armor , Why ?!! Sharingan just don't need hand seals to copy jutsus , Sharingan can see the Chakra pathway system , And Sharingan is just a tool , It memorize the jutsu with the chakra pathway action and Reaction when doing the jutsu , So The user can simply copy it and with an pro copycat ninja ' Kakashi ' , He can copy it .. And that is a fact ..

Kisame , Was it mention to the Raiton Armor you need high Chakra , I don't remember that ?!!
PS. Kakashi is not low at chakra , His Chakra is a jonnin level chakra , May be a bit more .. it is normal not low not high

And you guys saying that Sasuke's Sharingan is better that Kakashi's !!! That is crap , Kakashi is more experienced with it , more pro .. So i think with Kakashi's speed Close to the raikage , And with Kakashi's Sharingan .. I don't know .. ( I am not siding with Kakashi ) ..



Yes, you also need handseals, that's how Kakashi copied utsu by copying the handseals then replicating them.

Raikage needed Bijuu level chakra to use R2, Kakashi can in now way use it and he'd be new to it, you ust admitted experience makes you better at using things, so I hope you won't be a hypocrite and say Kakashi can use Raiton Armor at the same level Raikage can.

Sasuke's sharingan is better, it has been said countless time his sharingan has more potential the Itachi's who>>>Kakashi's and has already used that potential.

This is worse then when you said Kakashi could beat Itachi, to not see how superior Raikage is too Kakashi is pure fanboyism and Kakashi in no way has any attack that can harm Raikage when he tanked Sasuke's Chidori with no effort, Raikage broke through Susano;o bones, he does the same to Kakashi's skull.

Edir: Ignore the other part since you said you're not siding with Kakashi.

Nero
11-15-2009, 01:12 PM
Yes, you also need handseals, that's how Kakashi copied utsu by copying the handseals then replicating them. Nope , No handSeals needed , I tell What are the uses of hand seals ?!!
Hand seals are used to simplify the performing of the jutsu , What i mean is you can perform a jutsu without hand seals but it is really hard because hand seals give the exact amount of chakra needed , So this is useless for the sharingan , the sharingan can see the Chakra pathway knowing the amount of Chakra needed , and Just perform it ..

Raikage needed Bijuu level chakra to use R2, Kakashi can in now way use it and he'd be new to it, you ust admitted experience makes you better at using things, so I hope you won't be a hypocrite and say Kakashi can use Raiton Armor at the same level Raikage can. What is R2 anyways ?:mrgreen::mrgreen:
No Kakashi can't use the Raiton armor as the Raikage uses it , But with the sharingan and Close speeds , it think the gap between them is tiny .. And If kakashi had time , may be he hid or something he can activate the 1st gate i think that equals the speed :D:D

Sasuke's sharingan is better, it has been said countless time his sharingan has more potential the Itachi's who>>>Kakashi's and has already used that potential. The Experience matters here , As Sasuke can't copy as Kakashi copy or Itachi can't copy as Kakashi copy , It is all about experience which Kakashi have more ..

This is worse then when you said Kakashi could beat Itachi, to not see how superior Raikage is too Kakashi is pure fanboyism and Kakashi in no way has any attack that can harm Raikage when he tanked Sasuke's Chidori with no effort, Raikage broke through Susano;o bones, he does the same to Kakashi's skull. I am not siding with anyone , But Kakashi having the Raiton Armor having almost the same durability and Almost the strength of attack .. I think that equals it , And I am not saying that Kakashi stomps or wins I just want a challenge in Debating with an awesome Debater like you ..

Edir: Ignore the other part since you said you're not siding with Kakashi. The Truth is I am not Siding with anyone , If Kakashi loses that is ok , If Raikage loses that is Ok too , I just want a challenge ..
Blue ,,

321zigzag1
11-15-2009, 01:17 PM
My Friend 123zigzag1 , Says that everyone in Naruto Series Can Track the raikage .. So I am giving him this challenge ..
Kakashi vs the Raikage ..

And I am saying Kakashi copying the Lightning Armor giving him insane Speed ( SuperSonic or Hypersonic ) , And Insane Rection Time with the edition of the Variety of elemental jutsus So what do u think ?!!



I never said that at all I was arguing that Gaara can possibly because his sand intercepted Raikage.

When did I say everyone can? I never said that?

AS for this fight well Kakashi is most likely to get speedblitzed.

Kuromaki
11-15-2009, 01:19 PM
I'd be close fight.. Umm Id have to go with Kakashi Cause he can use MS
MS does not mean an automatic win, and Raikage already proved that he could beat a superior MS user (Sasuke) so Kakashi having MS won't make him win.

Nero
11-15-2009, 01:22 PM
MS does not mean an automatic win, and Raikage already proved that he could beat a superior MS user (Sasuke) so Kakashi having MS won't make him win.
Agreed .. MS doesn't mean anything .. It is just a tool and Kakashi won't use because it would be the battle of speed .. So Prep time is less needed

Lady Tsunade
11-15-2009, 01:26 PM
Sasukes sharingan is more advanced than Kakashis and Sasuke is more profficient at using it.If Raikage speedblitzed Sasuke and he barely kept up,I highly doubt Kakashi could.Also Sasuke is faster than Kakashi and so can dodge a little better,Kakashi would be kinda screwed if Raikage got close to him and landed a punch on him.Also if Kakashi kept trying to use Kamui,1 it would likely miss and 2 He would be totally out of chakra and wouldnt have enough left to defend himself from Raikages attacks.

So Raikage totally wins here.

321zigzag1
11-15-2009, 01:27 PM
Point of reference I never argued that everyone can see Raikage with Nero on this subject.

deidara330
11-15-2009, 01:29 PM
Kakashi can't copy a jutsu with no hand seals, so he couldn't copy the Raiton Armor. Besides that, Raikage has immense chakra levels to maintain it, and as we've seen from Kamui Kakashi doesn't. Besides, Sasuke using two Mangekyo Sharingans got speedblitzed. Kakashi, with one Sharingan that can't maintain Mangekyo for extended periods of time, would be roflstomped.

Kisame
11-15-2009, 01:31 PM
. Nope , No handSeals needed , I tell What are the uses of hand seals ?!!
Hand seals are used to simplify the performing of the jutsu , What i mean is you can perform a jutsu without hand seals but it is really hard because hand seals give the exact amount of chakra needed , So this is useless for the sharingan , the sharingan can see the Chakra pathway knowing the amount of Chakra needed , and Just perform it ..

I recall it being said in the manga hand seals are needed so I want a panel to prove you right and this is new to Kakashi anyways, he won't use it as efficiently as Raikage.


What is R2 anyways ?:mrgreen::mrgreen:
No Kakashi can't use the Raiton armor as the Raikage uses it , But with the sharingan and Close speeds , it think the gap between them is tiny .. And If kakashi had time , may be he hid or something he can activate the 1st gate i think that equals the speed :D:D

R2 is his when his hair becomes spike and his Raiton Armor becomes more powerful, you need biuu chakra in that form, Base Raikage is faster or at least as fast as Kakashi since he speedblitzed Zetsu who said he was fast and kept up with Itachi and Sasuke's movements. If he activates it what is he supposed to, Raikage tanked a hit from uugo who made craters in the ground from his mere strength in CS1, I'm not even mentioning CS2 in which he punched Raikage, so Kakashi has no moves that can kill him since R2 takes care of Kamui and he tanks everything else while a liger bomb equals dead Kakashi.


The Experience matters here , As Sasuke can't copy as Kakashi copy or Itachi can't copy as Kakashi copy , It is all about experience which Kakashi have more ..

Sasuke copied Lee in Part 1, Sasuke's sharingan can copy and Sasuke's sharingan has been praised all through the manga while Kakashi's is bad for him as well since as long as he has Sharingan uncovered it drains a lot of chakra.


I am not siding with anyone , But Kakashi having the Raiton Armor having almost the same durability and Almost the strength of attack .. I think that equals it , And I am not saying that Kakashi stomps or wins I just want a challenge in Debating with an awesome Debater like you ..

SNo, they will in no way have the same durability and strenght, this really made me faceplam, that is a pure fanboy statement you have no manga evidence to support, with Raikage's bigger chakra his Raiton Armor would be better since more chakra equals more strength and durability and as shwon Raikage trains with his strenght.


The Truth is I am not Siding with anyone , If Kakashi loses that is ok , If Raikage loses that is Ok too , I just want a challenge ..

Since Kakashi's best move is useless because of R2 and even if he gets Raiton Armor he can't use R2 and it will last less because he has a lot less chakra then Raikage's bijuu level chakra.

Lady Tsunade
11-15-2009, 01:42 PM
. Nope , No handSeals needed , I tell What are the uses of hand seals ?!!
Hand seals are used to simplify the performing of the jutsu , What i mean is you can perform a jutsu without hand seals but it is really hard because hand seals give the exact amount of chakra needed , So this is useless for the sharingan , the sharingan can see the Chakra pathway knowing the amount of Chakra needed , and Just perform it ..

I recall it being said in the manga hand seals are needed so I want a panel to prove you right and this is new to Kakashi anyways, he won't use it as efficiently as Raikage.


What is R2 anyways ?:mrgreen::mrgreen:
No Kakashi can't use the Raiton armor as the Raikage uses it , But with the sharingan and Close speeds , it think the gap between them is tiny .. And If kakashi had time , may be he hid or something he can activate the 1st gate i think that equals the speed :D:D

R2 is his when his hair becomes spike and his Raiton Armor becomes more powerful, you need biuu chakra in that form, Base Raikage is faster or at least as fast as Kakashi since he speedblitzed Zetsu who said he was fast and kept up with Itachi and Sasuke's movements. If he activates it what is he supposed to, Raikage tanked a hit from uugo who made craters in the ground from his mere strength in CS1, I'm not even mentioning CS2 in which he punched Raikage, so Kakashi has no moves that can kill him since R2 takes care of Kamui and he tanks everything else while a liger bomb equals dead Kakashi.


The Experience matters here , As Sasuke can't copy as Kakashi copy or Itachi can't copy as Kakashi copy , It is all about experience which Kakashi have more ..

Sasuke copied Lee in Part 1, Sasuke's sharingan can copy and Sasuke's sharingan has been praised all through the manga while Kakashi's is bad for him as well since as long as he has Sharingan uncovered it drains a lot of chakra.


I am not siding with anyone , But Kakashi having the Raiton Armor having almost the same durability and Almost the strength of attack .. I think that equals it , And I am not saying that Kakashi stomps or wins I just want a challenge in Debating with an awesome Debater like you ..

SNo, they will in no way have the same durability and strenght, this really made me faceplam, that is a pure fanboy statement you have no manga evidence to support, with Raikage's bigger chakra his Raiton Armor would be better since more chakra equals more strength and durability and as shwon Raikage trains with his strenght.


The Truth is I am not Siding with anyone , If Kakashi loses that is ok , If Raikage loses that is Ok too , I just want a challenge ..

Since Kakashi's best move is useless because of R2 and even if he gets Raiton Armor he can't use R2 and it will last less because he has a lot less chakra then Raikage's bijuu level chakra.
:shock:I cant believe Im about to argue with Kisame!!!!but oh well here goes nothing,while I completely understand what you are saying,eeeven if Kakashi did copy Raikages Raiton armour I dont think he could use it any where near as effectivly as Raikage could,Copying the jutsu alone would take great proffiency with the sharingan,needing the user to be able to follow fast moving targets,Kakashi was able to follow Peins missiles with his sharingan (preforming Kamui on it) however I think Raikages moves far too fast to be seen by Kakashis sharingan for a period of time longer than about 2 seconds.Therefore its unlikely Kakashi will be able to copy it.And like I said even if he does copy it,he wont be able to use it as well as Raikage can :/

Nero
11-15-2009, 01:48 PM
. Nope , No handSeals needed , I tell What are the uses of hand seals ?!!
Hand seals are used to simplify the performing of the jutsu , What i mean is you can perform a jutsu without hand seals but it is really hard because hand seals give the exact amount of chakra needed , So this is useless for the sharingan , the sharingan can see the Chakra pathway knowing the amount of Chakra needed , and Just perform it ..

I recall it being said in the manga hand seals are needed so I want a panel to prove you right and this is new to Kakashi anyways, he won't use it as efficiently as Raikage.


What is R2 anyways ?:mrgreen::mrgreen:
No Kakashi can't use the Raiton armor as the Raikage uses it , But with the sharingan and Close speeds , it think the gap between them is tiny .. And If kakashi had time , may be he hid or something he can activate the 1st gate i think that equals the speed :D:D

R2 is his when his hair becomes spike and his Raiton Armor becomes more powerful, you need biuu chakra in that form, Base Raikage is faster or at least as fast as Kakashi since he speedblitzed Zetsu who said he was fast and kept up with Itachi and Sasuke's movements. If he activates it what is he supposed to, Raikage tanked a hit from uugo who made craters in the ground from his mere strength in CS1, I'm not even mentioning CS2 in which he punched Raikage, so Kakashi has no moves that can kill him since R2 takes care of Kamui and he tanks everything else while a liger bomb equals dead Kakashi.


The Experience matters here , As Sasuke can't copy as Kakashi copy or Itachi can't copy as Kakashi copy , It is all about experience which Kakashi have more ..

Sasuke copied Lee in Part 1, Sasuke's sharingan can copy and Sasuke's sharingan has been praised all through the manga while Kakashi's is bad for him as well since as long as he has Sharingan uncovered it drains a lot of chakra.


I am not siding with anyone , But Kakashi having the Raiton Armor having almost the same durability and Almost the strength of attack .. I think that equals it , And I am not saying that Kakashi stomps or wins I just want a challenge in Debating with an awesome Debater like you ..

SNo, they will in no way have the same durability and strenght, this really made me faceplam, that is a pure fanboy statement you have no manga evidence to support, with Raikage's bigger chakra his Raiton Armor would be better since more chakra equals more strength and durability and as shwon Raikage trains with his strenght.


The Truth is I am not Siding with anyone , If Kakashi loses that is ok , If Raikage loses that is Ok too , I just want a challenge ..

Since Kakashi's best move is useless because of R2 and even if he gets Raiton Armor he can't use R2 and it will last less because he has a lot less chakra then Raikage's bijuu level chakra.

All this is great , I never fanboyism-ed in this post , But Both Having Raiton Armor will give more Durability and Speed to Kakashi , I never said it is the same But I said Almost the same which differs That means that Raikage Durability is More ..

I am not saying that he would use the Raiton Armor as Good as the Raikage , But I meant Kakashi will be faster , more durable And more stronger .. That what I mean ..

Kakashi's Sharingan drains his chakra but not alot .. Drains more than usual but not alot ..

And For the liger bomb , It would be hard for the raikage to perform Liger Bomb on Kakashi since Kakashi is simply Super Sonic ..

I am not saying that Kakashi is stronger than the raikage But it would be hard for the Raikage to Beat a superSonic , Fast Reaction , Sharingan owner with a descent Durability ..

Kisame
11-15-2009, 01:51 PM
All this is great , I never fanboyism-ed in this post , But Both Having Raiton Armor will give more Durability and Speed to Kakashi , I never said it is the same But I said Almost the same which differs That means that Raikage Durability is More ..

I am not saying that he would use the Raiton Armor as Good as the Raikage , But I meant Kakashi will be faster , more durable And more stronger .. That what I mean ..

Kakashi's Sharingan drains his chakra but not alot .. Drains more than usual but not alot ..

And For the liger bomb , It would be hard for the raikage to perform Liger Bomb on Kakashi since Kakashi is simply Super Sonic ..

I am not saying that Kakashi is stronger than the raikage But it would be hard for the Raikage to Beat a superSonic , Fast Reaction , Sharingan owner with a descent Durability ..


Yes, it would increase, but still not up to regular Raikage's Raiton Armor, much less R2.

Sasuke with manga feats has shown be as fast or faster then Kakashi and guess who got liger bombed.

Even if it would hard it wouldn't change the fact he would beat him and I still have seen nothing on how Kakashi can harm Raikage.

Kisame
11-15-2009, 01:51 PM
:shock:I cant believe Im about to argue with Kisame!!!!but oh well here goes nothing,while I completely understand what you are saying,eeeven if Kakashi did copy Raikages Raiton armour I dont think he could use it any where near as effectivly as Raikage could,Copying the jutsu alone would take great proffiency with the sharingan,needing the user to be able to follow fast moving targets,Kakashi was able to follow Peins missiles with his sharingan (preforming Kamui on it) however I think Raikages moves far too fast to be seen by Kakashis sharingan for a period of time longer than about 2 seconds.Therefore its unlikely Kakashi will be able to copy it.And like I said even if he does copy it,he wont be able to use it as well as Raikage can :/


I'm arguing for Raikage too.

Nero
11-15-2009, 01:58 PM
Yes, it would increase, but still not up to regular Raikage's Raiton Armor, much less R2.

Sasuke with manga feats has shown be as fast or faster then Kakashi and guess who got liger bombed.

Even if it would hard it wouldn't change the fact he would beat him and I still have seen nothing on how Kakashi can harm Raikage.
Agreed on the 1st Part..

2nd Part : Sasuke didn't copy the Raiton Armor so Kakashi is faster in this time ..

3rd Part : Agreed the Kakashi has nothing can harm the raikage except ( Kamui and Rasengan I think it can harm the raikage since it makes the damage from the inside 'internal Damage' , It is just a thought ) ..
Kakashi would be beaten But i think it would be a close fight , Isn't it ?
Near speeds

Lady Tsunade
11-15-2009, 01:59 PM
I'm arguing for Raikage too.
o you are?sorry,from all that stuff u said about Kakashi I thought you were for Kakashi :P aw well its probably best that your on my side lol

Kisame
11-15-2009, 02:03 PM
Agreed on the 1st Part..

2nd Part : Sasuke didn't copy the Raiton Armor so Kakashi is faster in this time ..

3rd Part : Agreed the Kakashi has nothing can harm the raikage except ( Kamui and Rasengan I think it can harm the raikage since it makes the damage from the inside 'internal Damage' , It is just a thought ) ..
Kakashi would be beaten But i think it would be a close fight , Isn't it ?
Near speeds


Raiton Armor can only last so long for someone with as much chakra as Kakashi and if Raikage catches him I doubt he can overpower Raikage enough and a pucnh would be lethal, Raikage made a hole through CS2 Juugo who should have great durability and broke Susano'o's bones.

R2 can help Raikage dodge Kamui like he did with Amaterasu and people have tanked Rasengan before, so Raikage could tank it or just dodge.

Kisame
11-15-2009, 02:05 PM
o you are?sorry,from all that stuff u said about Kakashi I thought you were for Kakashi :P aw well its probably best that your on my side lol


Bluw was Nero and White was me, I was just countering him.

Miles Edgeworth
11-15-2009, 02:06 PM
Raikage stomps due to speedblitz and being able to tank anything Kakashi uses.

Lady Tsunade
11-15-2009, 02:08 PM
Bluw was Nero and White was me, I was just countering him.
ooooo well then Nero should read my post :P

Nero
11-15-2009, 02:17 PM
ooooo well then Nero should read my post :P
I already did .. I countered it in Kisame's Debate Post ..

Raikage stomps due to speedblitz and being able to tank anything Kakashi uses. He is not going to Stomp .. Just Beat and If not Hardly Because of Kakashi's new Speed , And Insane Reaction ..

Raiton Armor can only last so long for someone with as much chakra as Kakashi and if Raikage catches him I doubt he can overpower Raikage enough and a pucnh would be lethal, Raikage made a hole through CS2 Juugo who should have great durability and broke Susano'o's bones.

R2 can help Raikage dodge Kamui like he did with Amaterasu and people have tanked Rasengan before, so Raikage could tank it or just dodge.
Kakashi can't overpower the Raikage But I think that it would be to hard for the Raikage to Catch Kakashi .. Since with the Raiton Armor he is simply Super Sonic I find that Hard ..

A Punch is not going to be lethal Because As you said that the Raiton Armor Blocked a Chidori , Juugo's Hit .. So I think that Kakashi is going to have of this Durability .. Yeah Raikage is more Powerful but Kakashi has more Agility , No way to Debate that .. So it is hard just to catch Kakashi ..
I think he didn't tank the Ammy Completely As he had his hand Cut .. And I think Kamui is more Lethal than Ammy .. Ammy Burns , Kamui Suck and Cut away ..

Kisame
11-15-2009, 02:25 PM
A Punch is not going to be lethal Because As you said that the Raiton Armor Blocked a Chidori , Juugo's Hit .. So I think that Kakashi is going to have of this Durability .. Yeah Raikage is more Powerful but Kakashi has more Agility , No way to Debate that .. So it is hard just to catch Kakashi ..
I think he didn't tank the Ammy Completely As he had his hand Cut .. And I think Kamui is more Lethal than Ammy .. Ammy Burns , Kamui Suck and Cut away ..



Raikage's Raiton Armor did that, if Kakashi copied it it would be a lot weaker due to being new at it and having a lot less chakra, also still waiting for proof he can copy without hand seals.

More agility, really? Okay, prove it, Raikage has shown a lot of agility like dodging Amaterasu and other speed feats like Sasuke having some trouble being ablt to fully keep up with him and Sasuke had 2 Mangekyos, Kakashi only has 1 that can only be used for a short time.

Of course he didn't tank it, no one in Narutoverse should, he dodged it with his super shunshin, with super shunshin he can dodge Kamui and he will, Kamui doesn't have enough AoE to catch him, saying he can actually hit him is pure fanboyism.

Like I said before Kakashi is not going to hurt a guy who tanked a hit from CS2 Juugo even with his Raiton Armor you have shown me no proof he can copy.

You also seem to be ignoring the fact Kakashi has a lot less chakra and stamina, so the more he uses Raiton Armor and Sharinga, the slower he will start to become and the moves will start to dissapear as Raikage will still have a lot of his bijuu chakra left.

Nero
11-15-2009, 02:41 PM
Raikage's Raiton Armor did that, if Kakashi copied it it would be a lot weaker due to being new at it and having a lot less chakra, also still waiting for proof he can copy without hand seals. It was proven by everyone that the Sharingan can copy any jutsu except Kekkei Genkai .. Not alot Weaker but It would be a little bi weaker , it is said in NarutoPedia that Sharingan Copys the jutsu as it was the Sahringan Owner Jutsu ..

More agility, really? Okay, prove it, Raikage has shown a lot of agility like dodging Amaterasu and other speed feats like Sasuke having some trouble being ablt to fully keep up with him and Sasuke had 2 Mangekyos, Kakashi only has 1 that can only be used for a short time. Kakashi has shown great Agility in his Base Speed , But when Adding aiton Armor to it , I think the Agility Here rises more than the Raikage's ..

Of course he didn't tank it, no one in Narutoverse should, he dodged it with his super shunshin, with super shunshin he can dodge Kamui and he will, Kamui doesn't have enough AoE to catch him, saying he can actually hit him is pure fanboyism. I am not saying he can Actually hit him with Kamui .. And Kakashi now Have Kind of Super Shunshin But less than the Raikage ..

Like I said before Kakashi is not going to hurt a guy who tanked a hit from CS2 Juugo even with his Raiton Armor you have shown me no proof he can copy. He can't hurt him but i think he can give him hard time , Dodging and hit him With Lightning Blade Which is more Advanced and Stronger than a Chidori , And It would be more powerful with the raiton Armor ,,

You also seem to be ignoring the fact Kakashi has a lot less chakra and stamina, so the more he uses Raiton Armor and Sharinga, the slower he will start to become and the moves will start to dissapear as Raikage will still have a lot of his bijuu chakra left. Stamina Would be no problem Since the Raiton Armor awake the nervous system .. And the Chakra is only Weak Spot Kakashi have in all his fights , If had A bigger Chakra tank , it think the Result of this match would change .. But Eventually Raikage win Hardly ..

Blue ..

Nero
11-15-2009, 02:45 PM
I am going to Sleep nw , There is no reason for me to be here , I agree that Raikage win eventually but Hardly .. So Good Night all .. :D:D:D

Kisame
11-15-2009, 02:52 PM
It was proven by everyone that the Sharingan can copy any jutsu except Kekkei Genkai .. Not alot Weaker but It would be a little bi weaker , it is said in NarutoPedia that Sharingan Copys the jutsu as it was the Sahringan Owner Jutsu ..

Raikage is FTL, see I can say all I want, but can you give me links or quotes to prove it because I remember you need handseals and if you read deidara330's post you'll see he agrees with me.

Kakashi has shown great Agility in his Base Speed , But when Adding aiton Armor to it , I think the Agility Here rises more than the Raikage's ..

Raikage in base was able to catch Zetsu who was keeping track of Itachi and Sasuke's movements and show this oh so great example of Kakashi's agility and Kakashi only has 1 Sharingan so if Raikage came from his blind side he wouldn't be able to keep up with him,


I am not saying he can Actually hit him with Kamui .. And Kakashi now Have Kind of Super Shunshin But less than the Raikage ..


No, you need to reread the manga, super shunshin comes from R2, Kakashi can NOT use R2 it requires Bijuu level chakra, if you say Kakashi has biuu level chakra I will stop taking this seriously.

He can't hurt him but i think he can give him hard time , Dodging and hit him With Lightning Blade Which is more Advanced and Stronger than a Chidori , And It would be more powerful with the raiton Armor ,,

He can give him a hard time, great, but he can't hurt him. Oh really, Kakashi can hurt him with it when it's never been shown it enhances Ninutsu, you're just making stuff up now.

Stamina Would be no problem Since the Raiton Armor awake the nervous system .. And the Chakra is only Weak Spot Kakashi have in all his fights , If had A bigger Chakra tank , it think the Result of this match would change .. But Eventually Raikage win Hardly ..

Okay, I've stopped taking this seriously now if you truly think Kakashi because of this would have unlimited stamina and what ifs are useless in matches, the fact is Kakashi doesn't have much chakra and that will hurt him a lot in this match.

Well since you think Raikage wins too the debate is over, it's up too you if you believe Kakashi can give him a hard time.

typhoon legendary sanin
11-15-2009, 02:55 PM
defenitly kakashi

Vivi
11-15-2009, 02:57 PM
defenitly kakashi

Oh dear....

This actually made me laugh now XD

icy-j
11-15-2009, 02:59 PM
Raikage stomps due to speedblitz and being able to tank anything Kakashi uses.

This fight is so much of a stomp, that I don't even see y their is a debate. Like Rocklee posted is all you need to in this fight. Kakashi has nothing to even effect Raikage. I seriously doubt Kakashi would be able to copy his Raiton, and even if he does there is no way Kakashi could maintain it at all.

Fight ends in 5 seconds from a speedblitz, or longer if Raikage wants to play with him. Either way Raikage doesn't take a scratch.

Vivi
11-15-2009, 03:05 PM
Anyway...

Raikage cannot lose this.

Even IF Kakashi should copy the Armour there are several factors he will still lose:

Like said already Kakashi hasnt got alot of Chakra.
Kakashi will run out of Chakra in very short time considering he has to
keep the Lightning Chakra going through his Body+Sharingan+Using Jutsu's.

Which brings me to another point:
What does Kakashi wanna do IF he has the armour on?
If Kakashi uses Ninjutsu he'll run out of Chakra before he even realizes it.
And hes barely even capable of using Gen.

So all Kakashi has left is Tai and that is useless against Raikage.

Raikage not only wins but he stomps due to Kakashi barely being able to do anything.

Nero
11-15-2009, 03:10 PM
I am not Siding with anyone , And I know that the Raikage would Beat Kakashi .. And I admit it ..

Uchiha Deidera-Senpai
11-15-2009, 03:13 PM
Woah. that'd be a close fight. I dunno, it depends on a lot of things.

I agree.

leaf shadow
11-18-2009, 05:51 PM
kakashi chakra is to low to be able to use sharingan and copy the ligthing jutsu that use alot of chakra he will probaly survive and escape

but raikage would win easily

sage mangekyo
11-18-2009, 05:56 PM
im gonna say kakashi with all those advantages