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x trio pk x
11-11-2009, 11:03 AM
naruto and 4th all day!!!!

Sasori12
11-11-2009, 11:08 AM
I think naruto and the 4th win. They have there summons, and naruto has got sm.
The summons would probably give them a lot of trouble.

Lone Wolf
11-11-2009, 11:18 AM
Itachi and Sasuke wins this, Naruto needs time to go SM and if he tries to use boss Summon then Sasuke can do the same, or Sasuke and Itachi can both use Tsukuyomi on Naruto and Minato since they haven't shown any defence against them. If Naruto and Minato breaks out of Tsukuyomi using frog katas, Sasuke and Itachi can still use Amaterasu since Naruto and Minato isn't that fast without SM and FTG.

Lady Tsunade
11-11-2009, 01:34 PM
Naruto and Minato win,I think Naruto can beat Sasuke and Minato can beat Itachi,with a lot of trouble of course.

Lone Wolf
11-11-2009, 01:35 PM
Naruto and Minato win,I think Naruto can beat Sasuke and Minato can beat Itachi,with a lot of trouble of course.
Reasons...

Chidori stream
11-11-2009, 01:42 PM
It would be a tie because Itachi can use the amaterasu and susano'o on Naruto and naruto will be in that diminsion with Orochimaru also Sasuke has amaterasu and Susano'o so their dead. But the Fourth hokage can teleport and kill Sasuke and Naruto can go into sage mode. But Itachi genjutsu will win it all though

Vivi
11-11-2009, 01:44 PM
I believe Uchiha's win.

I dont think neither Minato nor Naruto start with Boss Summons.

Minato:
I truly doubt he can tag neither of the Uchiha's.
And his Kunai's their Sharingan would most likely see them coming.

Naruto:
It's a fact Itachi and Sasuke are faster than him going after Databooks.
SM needs Major time to get the energy around him.

Besides that Naruto hasnt as many long range Jutsu's as the Uchiha's.
If he would get too close they can counter with Senbon,Stream,Susanoo Ammy etc.

Naruto is gone fast against te 2 and Minato, we barely know anything about his powers such as his base speed without FTG.

Of course this is only if my 2nd line is true.


Sorry if Im wrong.=/

Yellow Flash
11-11-2009, 02:17 PM
Is the Nine-tailed involved? If so Naruto and Minato. Just because the Uchiha's can see the Kunai coming they probably won't understand the meaning. If Minato can just touch on of them, he can tag them and use FTG and be able to FTG to there location as much as he wants. Naruto has shown abilities to tank attacks that are massive and overpowering. Minato also hasn't shown his full abilities only being shown his FTG in the Kakashi Gaiden. Considering Minato is the maker of the Rasengan I'm sure his would be overwhelmingly powerful plus Naruto's multiple styled Rasengans. I think Minato has shown at least a little smarts in tactical abilities and probably knows how to disperse Genjutsu's. As for Naruto going SM, I think Minato would be able to provide him with the time with Boss summons along with Naruto's as well. When Naruto goes into SM he would then be able to keep up with Itachi and Sasuke.

Lady Tsunade
11-11-2009, 02:22 PM
Reasons...
Naruto in sage mode can cause some serious trouble for Sasuke,he gets faster,his jutsu get stronger,Even in Curse Mark lvl2 Sasuke would be in deep trouble if he had to go up against Narutos summons.Amaterasu and Susanoo wouldnt be enough to stop all of Narutos attacks

Same with Itachi,even though hes more profficient with Susannoo I believe Minatos speed combined with toad summons and rasengan moves can penetrate Itachis defences.

With trouble,Naruto and the 4th win

Vivi
11-11-2009, 02:25 PM
Naruto in sage mode can cause some serious trouble for Sasuke,he gets faster,his jutsu get stronger,Even in Curse Mark lvl2 Sasuke would be in deep trouble if he had to go up against Narutos summons.Amaterasu and Susanoo wouldnt be enough to stop all of Narutos attacks

Same with Itachi,even though hes more profficient with Susannoo I believe Minatos speed combined with toad summons and rasengan moves can penetrate Itachis defences.

With trouble,Naruto and the 4th win

SM needs Major amount of time to gather energy also he cant move when he gathers it.

Not even Minato can keep Uchiha's so busy.

Fan of Minato
11-11-2009, 02:35 PM
With the Susanoo's proved to be able to be broken, I'l go with Minato and Naruto because Minato with a Boss summon can gather enough time against the Uchiha Bros for Naruto to get SM, then a FRS can definitely break the Susanoo's.

If not, minato can throw a Kunai on the ground and lure Itachi to walk over it and even if he is covered in Susnaoo's Minato will finish him because Susanoo's is mainly used as a last-attempt.

I think Minato/Naruto duo can take this with some difficulty.

Lady Tsunade
11-11-2009, 02:37 PM
With the Susanoo's proved to be able to be broken, I'l go with Minato and Naruto because Minato with a Boss summon can gather enough time against the Uchiha Bros for Naruto to get SM, then a FRS can definitely break the Susanoo's.

If not, minato can throw a Kunai on the ground and lure Itachi to walk over it and even if he is covered in Susnaoo's Minato will finish him because Susanoo's is mainly used as a last-attempt.

I think Minato/Naruto duo can take this with some difficulty.
lol of course "Fan of Minato" would vote for Minato !!!jk!!!!!I agree with what ur saying.

Lady Tsunade
11-11-2009, 02:40 PM
SM needs Major amount of time to gather energy also he cant move when he gathers it.

Not even Minato can keep Uchiha's so busy.
True,but its not like Naruto and Sasuke will immediatly go into SM and Curse mark form,I think they'll have close range fighting before that,besides,if Naruto summons a toad to fight for him while he prepares for sage mode,I dont think the time prerparation is too much of a threat.I mean,Jiraiya did it against Pein.

Lone Wolf
11-11-2009, 02:44 PM
True,but its not like Naruto and Sasuke will immediatly go into SM and Curse mark form,I think they'll have close range fighting before that,besides,if Naruto summons a toad to fight for him while he prepares for sage mode,I dont think the time prerparation is too much of a threat.I mean,Jiraiya did it against Pein.


Dude, Sasuke can Insantly activate CS, he can't cause he doesn't have it anymore. If Naruto tries Boss Summons then so will Sasuke. Itachi's Genjutsu and both their Tsukuyomi happens in an instant and Ammy is Transonic, how can Minato and Naruto dodge it?

Fan of Minato
11-11-2009, 02:48 PM
Dude, Sasuke can Insantly activate CS, he can't cause he doesn't have it anymore. If Naruto tries Boss Summons then so will Sasuke. Itachi's Genjutsu and both their Tsukuyomi happens in an instant and Ammy is Transonic, how can Minato and Naruto dodge it?

May I add that Minato's speed is equal to Raikage's so Minato can dodge it.

By either placing a tag on the floor or teleporting to a previously marked Kunai.

Ammy also takes Prep time, Minato should get rid of one of them if they try Ammy and if they'r open.

Lone Wolf
11-11-2009, 02:52 PM
May I add that Minato's speed is equal to Raikage's so Minato can dodge it.

By either placing a tag on the floor or teleporting to a previously marked Kunai.

Ammy also takes Prep time, Minato should get rid of one of them if they try Ammy and if they'r open.
So Minato can dodge Ammy but Naruto can't so his dead, also you didn't say how they're gonna counter Tsukuyomi, Tsukuyomi doesn't need prep time.

Fan of Minato
11-11-2009, 02:55 PM
So Minato can dodge Ammy but Naruto can't so his dead, also you didn't say how they're gonna counter Tsukuyomi, Tsukuyomi doesn't need prep time.

Tsukyomi needs eye contact.

Naruto can substitute himself with clones or a clone can jump infront of the real one if Ammy is used. But it takes prep, he can't do it in a sec so that gives Naruto time to make a clone or to do something while Minato uses FTG/Rasengan combo to finish it before the prep is over.

Yellow Flash
11-11-2009, 02:56 PM
So Minato can dodge Ammy but Naruto can't so his dead, also you didn't say how they're gonna counter Tsukuyomi, Tsukuyomi doesn't need prep time.
Why doesn't anyone look at my post? And all Minato has to do is touch Naruto and he can take him with him, it's that simple.

Lone Wolf
11-11-2009, 02:59 PM
Tsukyomi needs eye contact.

Naruto can substitute himself with clones or a clone can jump infront of the real one if Ammy is used. But it takes prep, he can't do it in a sec so that gives Naruto time to make a clone or to do something while Minato uses FTG/Rasengan combo to finish it before the prep is over.

Naruto is already dead by getting hit with Ammy. Minato need to through a Kunai to mark Itachi and Sasuke, but Sasuke can just Summon Manda so Minato can't tag them. Btw you didn't say how would Minato counter their Genjitsu.

Yellow Flash
11-11-2009, 03:01 PM
Naruto is already dead by getting hit with Ammy. Minato need to through a Kunai to mark Itachi and Sasuke, but Sasuke can just Summon Manda so Minato can't tag them. Btw you didn't say how would Minato counter their Genjitsu.
I'm pretty sure Minato knows how to disperse Genjutsu's. Besides, I don't think Naruto would die from and Ammy that quickly. Manda is dead.... remember when Sasuke fought Deidara?

battousai
11-11-2009, 03:01 PM
im ready lady *smirk*
Sven: bbrace ur self kid
ME: no need to

Lady Tsunade
11-11-2009, 03:02 PM
Dude, Sasuke can Insantly activate CS, he can't cause he doesn't have it anymore. If Naruto tries Boss Summons then so will Sasuke. Itachi's Genjutsu and both their Tsukuyomi happens in an instant and Ammy is Transonic, how can Minato and Naruto dodge it?
Ummmm ok so supposing Sasuke cant use Curse Mark,that just decreases his chances even more(but we should assume that each character can use every technique they've learnt and that they fight to the best of their ability),and I dont believe Sasuke would use summoning jutsu,all hes shown to be able to summon is Manda,a boss summon,which takes up a lot of chakra!!Besides even if he did summon Manda,Narutos toads still do the fighting,thus allowing him to activate sage Mode.

And Minato can teleport to any location ,he could totally dodge it,im not sure about Naruto though,he would probs just use Shadow clones to dodge it.

Lone Wolf
11-11-2009, 03:04 PM
I'm pretty sure Minato knows how to disperse Genjutsu's. Besides, I don't think Naruto would die from and Ammy that quickly. Manda is dead.... remember when Sasuke fought Deidara?
Sorry forgot that Manda died. You can't just say Minato can Dispel Genjutsu, thats called making up a technique for a character, Sasuke can summon alot of different other snakes to defend against Minato's kunai. Naruto's max base speed is Sonic he can't dodge a transonic Ammy. Takes a long time to go in SM.

battousai
11-11-2009, 03:04 PM
HEY LADY!!!!!!!!
Sven: wow dough bag
ME: she diserves it

Lone Wolf
11-11-2009, 03:07 PM
Ummmm ok so supposing Sasuke cant use Curse Mark,that just decreases his chances even more(but we should assume that each character can use every technique they've learnt and that they fight to the best of their ability),and I dont believe Sasuke would use summoning jutsu,all hes shown to be able to summon is Manda,a boss summon,which takes up a lot of chakra!!Besides even if he did summon Manda,Narutos toads still do the fighting,thus allowing him to activate sage Mode.

And Minato can teleport to any location ,he could totally dodge it,im not sure about Naruto though,he would probs just use Shadow clones to dodge it.

Summoning Manda doesn't take alot of chakra, Sasuke ran out of chakra while fighting Deidara to even keep Sharingan on but he still managed to summon Manda... With Minato's shown techniques i doubt he can break Susano'o Naruto hasn't shown any technique that can too. Amaterasu is a Transonic technique, even if Minato dodged it Naruto can't.

Lady Tsunade
11-11-2009, 03:15 PM
Minato only needs to touch Naruto to make him teleport wth him,and Summoning Jutsu does take up a lot of chakra,especially a boss Summon it takes up loooooads,Sasuke was still able to summon it,meaning he probs has a high chakra reserve,anyway I stand by what I said before,combined with his speed ,rasengan attacks and multiple boss summons,I think Minato can penetrate Itachi or Sasukes Susanoo defences.Naruto can beat Sasuke in Sage Mode ,ive explained why.

Lone Wolf
11-11-2009, 03:18 PM
Minato only needs to touch Naruto to make him teleport wth him,and Summoning Jutsu does take up a lot of chakra,especially a boss Summon it takes up loooooads,Sasuke was still able to summon it,meaning he probs has a high chakra reserve,anyway I stand by what I said before,combined with his speed ,rasengan attacks and multiple boss summons,I think Minato can penetrate Itachi or Sasukes Susanoo defences.Naruto can beat Sasuke in Sage Mode ,ive explained why.

Minato can't tag teleport unless it was proven that he can. Rasengan can't get through Susano'o.....

Lady Tsunade
11-11-2009, 03:27 PM
Well it hasnt been proven that it can withstand a giant rasengan,so I still stand by my previous posts.Naruto and the 4th win

Lone Wolf
11-11-2009, 03:29 PM
Well it hasnt been proven that it can withstand a giant rasengan,so I still stand by my previous posts.Naruto and the 4th win
What can withstand a giant Rasengan? And how will Naruto and Minato win if they can't break Susano'o?

Yellow Flash
11-11-2009, 03:33 PM
What can withstand a giant Rasengan? And how will Naruto and Minato win if they can't break Susano'o?
He can tag teleport, he does it in Kakashi Gaiden. Besides my first post, (go look at it) obviously explains that Minato and Naruto win.

Lone Wolf
11-11-2009, 03:36 PM
Is the Nine-tailed involved? If so Naruto and Minato. Just because the Uchiha's can see the Kunai coming they probably won't understand the meaning. If Minato can just touch on of them, he can tag them and use FTG and be able to FTG to there location as much as he wants. Naruto has shown abilities to tank attacks that are massive and overpowering. Minato also hasn't shown his full abilities only being shown his FTG in the Kakashi Gaiden. Considering Minato is the maker of the Rasengan I'm sure his would be overwhelmingly powerful plus Naruto's multiple styled Rasengans. I think Minato has shown at least a little smarts in tactical abilities and probably knows how to disperse Genjutsu's. As for Naruto going SM, I think Minato would be able to provide him with the time with Boss summons along with Naruto's as well. When Naruto goes into SM he would then be able to keep up with Itachi and Sasuke.

Nothing they do can break Susano'o, Minato can't teleport both him and Naruto. Naruto can't dodge Ammy. You can't make up that Minato knows how to dispel Genjutsu. Sasuke can counter Naruto's summons with his own summons.

Yellow Flash
11-11-2009, 03:50 PM
Nothing they do can break Susano'o, Minato can't teleport both him and Naruto. Naruto can't dodge Ammy. You can't make up that Minato knows how to dispel Genjutsu. Sasuke can counter Naruto's summons with his own summons.
Manda is dead and Minato can... He teleports both him and Kakashi in the Kakashi Gaiden. (If you didn't know what the Kakashi Gaiden is it's the Kakashi Chronicles)

Lone Wolf
11-11-2009, 03:53 PM
Manda is dead and Minato can... He teleports both him and Kakashi in the Kakashi Gaiden. (If you didn't know what the Kakashi Gaiden is it's the Kakashi Chronicles)
Dude idiot, He just moved quickly, its not called teleporting, he moved around the same speed as the Iwa ninja. Manda is dead but Sasuke can summon other snakes.

Yellow Flash
11-11-2009, 04:01 PM
Dude idiot, He just moved quickly, its not called teleporting, he moved around the same speed as the Iwa ninja. Manda is dead but Sasuke can summon other snakes.
Okay dude, whatever you say... And I'm definitely not an idiot. I can guarantee that I have more knowledge then you.

[Shikamaru]
11-11-2009, 07:16 PM
Minato is too fast to receive eye-contact from Itachi, that takes out all of his superior MS ninjutsu and genjutsu.

He's now left with low-level ninjutsu and a little above S-level base speed. Because Sasuke and Itachi are nearly the same, Minato can wipe them both out alone. If it comes to naruto needing to go into SM, then major boss summons and mass clones would distract in time. Along with Minato, of course.

Boss summons and Minato should be more then overkill, but the Itachi and Sasuke fanboys would probably disagree.

Sasori12
11-11-2009, 08:45 PM
Dude idiot, He just moved quickly, its not called teleporting, he moved around the same speed as the Iwa ninja. Manda is dead but Sasuke can summon other snakes.
Insulting in debate makes you look childish, I recommend not doing that, your lucky I don't neg rep for it, (Not that a neg rep from me would really hurt XD)

Blind Uchiha
11-11-2009, 09:00 PM
What can withstand a giant Rasengan? And how will Naruto and Minato win if they can't break Susano'o?

It has been shown that Susano'o can be broken with acid, it's not much of a stretch to say that it could be broken by a giant rasengan. If a giant rasengan didn't work, then Naruto could still use Rasen-shuriken without sage mode if he was desperate.

Steven
11-11-2009, 09:54 PM
you guys keep saying sasuke will boss summon, i'm mean boss summon what his boss summon died.

Naruto and the 4th with a little difficulty.

Yellow Flash
11-11-2009, 10:34 PM
Thank you to all of you who have shown that I was right. Also thank you Sasori12 for that comment, I was thinking the same thing.

x trio pk x
11-13-2009, 01:47 PM
LOl Naruto

Vivi
11-13-2009, 01:54 PM
It has been shown that Susano'o can be broken with acid, it's not much of a stretch to say that it could be broken by a giant rasengan. If a giant rasengan didn't work, then Naruto could still use Rasen-shuriken without sage mode if he was desperate.

Yes ACID.
Sasuke was horribly low on Chakra plus Mizukage can control the Density of the Acid Mist.

x trio pk x
11-13-2009, 01:55 PM
sasuke is instant dead