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deidara330
09-06-2010, 11:37 AM
This guy (http://mvbg.wikispaces.com/Skyline).

NBT
09-06-2010, 11:42 AM
Interesting

I sent a request to join.

Shikamaru Nara
09-10-2010, 11:28 AM
Just pm me if you want me to help with anything.

321zigzag3
09-12-2010, 04:17 AM
What happened to the Convo thread?

Anyway has anyone been to Anime Vice?

NBT
09-12-2010, 05:49 AM
It was brutality murdered.

What?

321zigzag3
09-12-2010, 07:54 AM
Why?

Anime Vice is a forum. It also has its own battle section.

colorles
09-16-2010, 09:30 PM
how is Anime Vice?

jus curios

DSPR7
09-17-2010, 04:20 PM
I'm back, and I've read Soon I Will Be Invincible.

Can you say BOOYAH?

Let's see some of that now.

NBT
09-17-2010, 06:14 PM
Cowabunga!

Nyruss
09-17-2010, 08:36 PM
I read Soon I Will Be Invincible awhile ago.

DSPR7
09-18-2010, 05:13 AM
I read Soon I Will Be Invincible awhile ago.

It's quite good.

321zigzag3
09-18-2010, 06:06 AM
how is Anime Vice?

jus curios

Its ok but it has some wanking going on. It isn't as active as here from what I have seen or up to NBD either.

Although I saw an insane Avatar Wanker. He said since Zuko lighting timed everyone else is at that speed. Almost everyone didn't believe him though.

The thing is he is rather logically oriented type poster.

I'm back, and I've read Soon I Will Be Invincible.

Can you say BOOYAH?

Let's see some of that now.

:!:

You dont know me
09-18-2010, 07:24 AM
So I have been stalking nf lately. Which one is better here or there?

321zigzag3
09-18-2010, 08:40 AM
Depends, NF and Naruto VIZ forums are widely vast and too different. Although NF is much bigger and much older in forum age.

You dont know me
09-18-2010, 08:42 AM
That place seems alot more random than here. Has funnier thread topics though.

321zigzag3
09-18-2010, 08:50 AM
Have you ever visited the House of Uzumaki in NF?

I

colorles
09-18-2010, 09:22 AM
i dont even think Barack Obama could eloquently get his point across if it is not widely accepted upon before hand in the Konoha Library at NF

You dont know me
09-18-2010, 09:29 AM
Have you ever visited the House of Uzumaki in NF?

I

I have glimpsed through it. Never really stay in nf long.

321zigzag3
10-08-2010, 09:53 AM
i dont even think Barack Obama could eloquently get his point across if it is not widely accepted upon before hand in the Konoha Library at NF

If you think Konoha Library is bad. Which it is.

House of Uzumaki.

Then there is the blender.

Kisame
10-08-2010, 09:33 PM
Alright, it has come to my attention some people take this wiki as the be all end all, so I would just like to say a lot of these statements are inaccurate. For example, I gave some info for the Kakuzu profile like him being class 50. That isn't true, it's justs something I said quickly so we could finish it faster.

Looking back at it now a lot of information there looks inaccurate and makes for a faulty debate. Seriously, a lot of the Naruto stuff and other stuff I and others made is not that good and reliable. So this isn't facts for debating.

Alright that's all it's just I saw a lot of people start using it as fact.

Nyruss
10-08-2010, 10:10 PM
I haven't seen anyone try to use the MVBG wiki to debate. :hmm

Kisame
10-08-2010, 10:17 PM
Shikamaru Nara, Nero, Vatanui I'm pretty sure used it too, other people I saw in some Lee vs Neji threads off the top of my head.

Kuromaki
10-08-2010, 10:28 PM
Alright, it has come to my attention some people take this wiki as the be all end all, so I would just like to say a lot of these statements are inaccurate. For example, I gave some info for the Kakuzu profile like him being class 50. That isn't true, it's justs something I said quickly so we could finish it faster.

Looking back at it now a lot of information there looks inaccurate and makes for a faulty debate. Seriously, a lot of the Naruto stuff and other stuff I and others made is not that good and reliable. So this isn't facts for debating.

Alright that's all it's just I saw a lot of people start using it as fact.
OMG THANK YOU of course I used to do that myself but that was wayyy back then

I think we should provide feats instead of giving random levels of speed, unless it actually has some backing i.e. Kisame talking about Guy's speed.

321zigzag3
10-09-2010, 05:37 AM
I haven't seen anyone try to use the MVBG wiki to debate. :hmm

Alright, it has come to my attention some people take this wiki as the be all end all, so I would just like to say a lot of these statements are inaccurate. For example, I gave some info for the Kakuzu profile like him being class 50. That isn't true, it's justs something I said quickly so we could finish it faster.

Looking back at it now a lot of information there looks inaccurate and makes for a faulty debate. Seriously, a lot of the Naruto stuff and other stuff I and others made is not that good and reliable. So this isn't facts for debating.

Alright that's all it's just I saw a lot of people start using it as fact.

OMG THANK YOU of course I used to do that myself but that was wayyy back then

I think we should provide feats instead of giving random levels of speed, unless it actually has some backing i.e. Kisame talking about Guy's speed.



I shall add on to this.

Emperor Joker of the Outskirts Battledome summed up it nicely.

Wiki isn't perfect in fact its just a secondary source. It is to provide a certain reasoning and general idea of the character's strength.

I mean in the OBD wikispaces Fairy Tail is listed supersonic tier and etc but vast majority don't accept that anymore.

MVBG wiki being inherently Naruto focused, our Naruto ones are not perfect but we do the best we can.

But really any good debator should use manga scans for proof before going to wiki for absolute proof.

Wikis have their own brand of disagreements. Such as speed tier.

Which is why I have for some of the Naruto speed put Presumably or Possibly.

deidara330
10-09-2010, 09:03 AM
Speed is a massive issue in the BG. Many arguements against any particular character or group consist only of "LOL speedblitz". But most speed ratings are based on powerscaling and hype, not feats. In fact a lot of Supersonic and Hypersonic ratings are based on powerscaling combined with 1 or 2 people showing what appeared to be a sonic boom. However, I think that can be inaccurate sometimes.

Kisame
10-09-2010, 01:25 PM
Doesn't the wiki list Suigetsu as some pretty slow speed?

Then compared to Raikage's speed that hes listed which still wasn't enough to actually speedblitz someone like Suigetsu in the manga. Within Narutoverse at least, speedblitz shouldn't be a very common thing considering people much faster then others still can't do it.

321zigzag3
10-09-2010, 02:42 PM
Speedblitz is a bit of a broad concept.

Usually we picture something someone unable to react.

However, it can also mean when someone sees it coming yet is unable to do anything about it.

Shouten Kisame when kicked by 6 gated gai was able to react but he still got blitzed.

Similarily with Suigetsu he was able to react yet its likely he can't do anything about it.

Shikamaru Nara
10-09-2010, 03:06 PM
Doesn't the wiki list Suigetsu as some pretty slow speed?

Then compared to Raikage's speed that hes listed which still wasn't enough to actually speedblitz someone like Suigetsu in the manga. Within Narutoverse at least, speedblitz shouldn't be a very common thing considering people much faster then others still can't do it.

So? He still is slow.

Phoenix Wright
10-09-2010, 03:15 PM
Peoples speed are well underrated from the Kage Summit arc. A lot of nice speed feats were shown and Suigetsu surely isn't slow. Especially people like Darui who actually were keeping up with Sasuke and Darui would have killed him if it weren't for Suigetsu who actually did react. Saying he's slow is no where near slow unless you're like others and can't comprehend.

Trust me a lot of people can't comprehend it doesn't make you dumb or anything I'm just saying.

Shikamaru Nara
10-09-2010, 03:16 PM
Peoples speed are well underrated from the Kage Summit arc. A lot of nice speed feats were shown and Suigetsu surely isn't slow. Especially people like Darui who actually were keeping up with Sasuke and Darui would have killed him if it weren't for Suigetsu who actually did react. Saying he's slow is no where near slow unless you're like others and can't comprehend.

Trust me a lot of people can't comprehend it doesn't make you dumb or anything I'm just saying.

If you look at Kisame, or KB or Raikage, he's slow. I'm not saying he's like Chouji slow, but he's not near top tier.

Kisame
10-09-2010, 03:16 PM
So? He still is slow.

His speed was enough to intercept Raikage, so unless you believe Suigetsu is like supersonic or all the supersonic ideals are flawed and do not equate complete victory in a match.

Shikamaru Nara
10-09-2010, 03:18 PM
His speed was enough to intercept Raikage, so unless you believe Suigetsu is like supersonic or all the supersonic ideals are flawed and do not equate complete victory in a match.

It wasn't a foot race. He was just reacting. Reaction speed is different from regular speed. Unless you want to object to that too.

Phoenix Wright
10-09-2010, 03:20 PM
If you look at Kisame, or KB or Raikage, he's slow. I'm not saying he's like Chouji slow, but he's not near top tier.
The way you made it sound you were downplaying his speed. He's not top tier or faster than someone like Raikage but he is fast enough to keep up no matter the length. Like I said with Darui. Darui isn't low tier speedster either and that's a point for speed that Darui has, that Suigetsu has too. Choji isn't slow either, you're downplaying people's speed that don't deserve to be underrated. I know Choji is fat but he outran Asura's missile until Kakashi Kamui'd it.

It wasn't a foot race. He was just reacting. Reaction speed is different from regular speed. Unless you want to object to that too.
Reaction speed is different but traveling speed is in another league than battle speed unless you want to contradict yourself.

Shikamaru Nara
10-09-2010, 03:22 PM
The way you made it sound you were downplaying his speed. He's not top tier or faster than someone like Raikage but he is fast enough to keep up no matter the length. Like I said with Darui. Darui isn't low tier speedster either and that's a point for speed that Darui has, that Suigetsu has too. Choji isn't slow either, you're downplaying people's speed that don't deserve to be underrated. I know Choji is fat but he outran Asura's missile until Kakashi Kamui'd it.

Not at all.

Reaction speed is different but traveling speed is in another league than battle speed unless you want to contradict yourself.

I have no intentions of doing so.

Reaction speed is different. Period. Which means it can't be calculated the same way.

Kisame
10-09-2010, 03:23 PM
It wasn't a foot race. He was just reacting. Reaction speed is different from regular speed. Unless you want to object to that too.

Suigetsu raced to protect Sasuke from Raikage who was right next to him, arm speed is faster than foot speed, so Suigetsu would have had to be pretty fast for him to reach Sasuke in time, really the speed difference in this manga is not that big between people unless youre bringing out top tier Shunshins.

deidara330
10-09-2010, 03:27 PM
People these days don't take into account reaction speed. If you can react to someone faster than you, then (depending on the distance) you can block their initial attack and counter at the same time. Sasuke is (supposedly) Supersonic, yet Darui, who isn't listed as nearly as fast, successfully blocked Sasuke's attack. And at the same time, if Sasuke didn't have the Lightning affinity, he would've been electrocuted and injured, and possibly even allowed for a follow-up from Darui that dealt even more damage. Although Darui's is a rare case, it goes to show that reaction speed is severely underrated by the majority of people in the BG.

Shikamaru Nara
10-09-2010, 03:28 PM
Suigetsu raced to protect Sasuke from Raikage who was right next to him, arm speed is faster than foot speed, so Suigetsu would have had to be pretty fast for him to reach Sasuke in time, really the speed difference in this manga is not that big between people unless youre bringing out top tier Shunshins.

I think not. Reread the chapter you saw this in. Raikage was coming at Sasuke from in front of Sasuke, and Suigetsu, who was next to Karin at this point, jumped in. Reaction speed.

Arm speed faster than foot speed? So you can walk on your hands faster than on your feet? I see the logic. :lol: Unless you would like to prove that. If you can, I'll be damned.

Isn't Kakashi's reaction speed about Hypersonic? At least that's what I've seen. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that he's supersonic at best in movement speed. Not a big difference? I don't know about that.

Shikamaru Nara
10-09-2010, 03:29 PM
People these days don't take into account reaction speed. If you can react to someone faster than you, then (depending on the distance) you can block their initial attack and counter at the same time. Sasuke is (supposedly) Supersonic, yet Darui, who isn't listed as nearly as fast, successfully blocked Sasuke's attack. And at the same time, if Sasuke didn't have the Lightning affinity, he would've been electrocuted and injured, and possibly even allowed for a follow-up from Darui that dealt even more damage. Although Darui's is a rare case, it goes to show that reaction speed is severely underrated by the majority of people in the BG.

But this is based on powerscaling which is unreliable. Just an estimation. Plus, the manga wasn't made to make this kind of sense. Kishi wasn't thinking this way.

Kisame
10-09-2010, 03:30 PM
Suigetsu's reaction speed wasn'tall that was necessary to protect Sasuke from Raiakge's attack, Raikage was right next to Sasuke while Suigetsu actually needed to get there.

The manga has constantly supported that you need top tier Shunshins to speedblitz someone once you guys reach a certain level, usually jonin and up. The only instances of speedblizting that happened in this manga, were Raikage's r2 Shunshin against Sasuke, Naruto's Shunshin against Kisame, Sasuke's shunshin against Deidara, and Minato's against Tobi. If you note all this people's shunshin speed it noted to be insane.

The regular speed you guys are talking about is not enough to speedblizt other people in this manga.

Kisame
10-09-2010, 03:32 PM
I think not. Reread the chapter you saw this in. Raikage was coming at Sasuke from in front of Sasuke, and Suigetsu, who was next to Karin at this point, jumped in. Reaction speed.

Arm speed faster than foot speed? So you can walk on your hands faster than on your feet? I see the logic. :lol: Unless you would like to prove that. If you can, I'll be damned.

Isn't Kakashi's reaction speed about Hypersonic? At least that's what I've seen. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that he's supersonic at best in movement speed. Not a big difference? I don't know about that.



Raikage was right next to Sasuke, Suigetsu had to get there with his feet, really not that hard to understand.

You can swing your hands faster than your feet, people have moved their hands fast enough to trick cameras. The way Raikage was swinging his arm it would have been faster.

Kakashi's reaction speed is heavily overrated and not in that range.

Shikamaru Nara
10-09-2010, 03:33 PM
Suigetsu's reaction speed wasn'tall that was necessary to protect Sasuke from Raiakge's attack, Raikage was right next to Sasuke while Suigetsu actually needed to get there.

The manga has constantly supported that you need top tier Shunshins to speedblitz someone once you guys reach a certain level, usually jonin and up. The only instances of speedblizting that happened in this manga, were Raikage's r2 Shunshin against Sasuke, Naruto's Shunshin against Kisame, Sasuke's shunshin against Deidara, and Minato's against Tobi. If you note all this people's shunshin speed it noted to be insane.

The regular speed you guys are talking about is not enough to speedblizt other people in this manga.

Yes it was. If he didn't have good reaction speed, how in the hell is he supposed to defend against anything in general? I could be misreading your logic, but I'm pretty sure that reaction speed means a lot. Especially when defending against people with good speed like Raikage or Kisame.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2d6mz611.png

So Chouji can't be blitzed by Itachi or Kakashi?
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2d6mz611.png Interesting logic.

Shikamaru Nara
10-09-2010, 03:35 PM
Raikage was right next to Sasuke, Suigetsu had to get there with his feet, really not that hard to understand.

You can swing your hands faster than your feet, people have moved their hands fast enough to trick cameras. The way Raikage was swinging his arm it would have been faster.

Kakashi's reaction speed is heavily overrated and not in that range.

Okay. Not that I don't believe you, but I want a page reference just to be certain that me or you isn't trolling. This is the first interesting debate I've had in a while.

You still didn't prove that you can walk on your hands faster than your feet. I'd gladly accept your argument once you prove that, or admit that it's not true.

Prove it. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2d6mz611.png

Kisame
10-09-2010, 03:36 PM
Yes it was. If he didn't have good reaction speed, how in the hell is he supposed to defend against anything in general? I could be misreading your logic, but I'm pretty sure that reaction speed means a lot. Especially when defending against people with good speed like Raikage or Kisame.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2d6mz611.png

So Chouji can't be blitzed by Itachi or Kakashi?
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2d6mz611.png Interesting logic.

Reaction speed is necessary when yes, but your missing out the detail Suigetsu wasn't right next to Sasuke like Raikage was so foot speed for him was also crucial when swinging your arm is much easier.

I mean more like jonin levels, no Itachi wouldn't be able to blitz them with regular speed if the distance was far enough.

Shikamaru Nara
10-09-2010, 03:41 PM
Reaction speed is necessary when yes, but your missing out the detail Suigetsu wasn't right next to Sasuke like Raikage was so foot speed for him was also crucial when swinging your arm is much easier.

I mean more like jonin levels, no Itachi wouldn't be able to blitz them with regular speed if the distance was far enough.

I want a page reference. I still haven't been proven of his location when it happened.

Raiton A can't blitz Chouji?

Kisame
10-09-2010, 03:41 PM
Okay. Not that I don't believe you, but I want a page reference just to be certain that me or you isn't trolling. This is the first interesting debate I've had in a while.

You still didn't prove that you can walk on your hands faster than your feet. I'd gladly accept your argument once you prove that, or admit that it's not true.

Prove it. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2d6mz611.png

Ch. 461 p.6

Please mention where I said walking with your hands, swing your arms really fast and note the speed difference, gee I wonder what's faster.

Kakashi's only instances of reaction speed was when he made a Kmaui in front of him the object flew right into it, it's not like he actually tagged the object. Hell, Danzou has shown just as good reaction and he wasn't too fast for Sasuke.

Kisame
10-09-2010, 03:42 PM
I want a page reference. I still haven't been proven of his location when it happened.

Raiton A can't blitz Chouji?

When did Choji become a jonin, I wasn't aware of this.

Shikamaru Nara
10-09-2010, 03:45 PM
Ch. 461 p.6

Please mention where I said walking with your hands, swing your arms really fast and note the speed difference, gee I wonder what's faster.

Kakashi's only instances of reaction speed was when he made a Kmaui in front of him the object flew right into it, it's not like he actually tagged the object. Hell, Danzou has shown just as good reaction and he wasn't too fast for Sasuke.

The chapter never showed his location.

Your logic said that.

So be it.

When did Choji become a jonin, I wasn't aware of this.

Fine.

So you're saying that Tsunade cannot be blitzed by Raiton A?

Kisame
10-09-2010, 03:48 PM
The chapter never showed his location.

Your logic said that.

So be it.



Fine.

So you're saying that Tsunade cannot be blitzed by Raiton A?

Ch. 461 p. 3

Arm speed is really fast, people with arm speed can even fool cameras.

Yes, I am saying Tsunade in the manga without the BG logic can not be blitzed by non shunshin Raikage.

Shikamaru Nara
10-09-2010, 03:50 PM
Ch. 461 p. 3

Arm speed is really fast, people with arm speed can even fool cameras.

Yes, I am saying Tsunade in the manga without the BG logic can not be blitzed by non shunshin Raikage.

Dude, he's next to Karin. XDDD

So is leg speed.

Prove it.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2d6mz611.png

Kisame
10-09-2010, 03:53 PM
Dude, he's next to Karin. XDDD

So is leg speed.

Prove it.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2d6mz611.png

In a balcony thing somewhat far away.

Try moving your feet, try moving your arm, I wonder what's faster.

Read and understand the manga, it's proof enough if you understand they way Kishi treats speed.

1. Reread manga
2. Don't think about BG logic
3. Try to pay attention to what Kishi is trying to say

Shikamaru Nara
10-09-2010, 03:55 PM
In a balcony thing somewhat far away.

Try moving your feet, try moving your arm, I wonder what's faster.

Read and understand the manga, it's proof enough if you understand they way Kishi treats speed.

1. Reread manga
2. Don't think about BG logic
3. Try to pay attention to what Kishi is trying to say

Prove it. They didn't show the distance between panels.

Depends.

Nothing. What's he trying to say?
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2d6mz611.png

Kisame
10-09-2010, 04:02 PM
Prove it. They didn't show the distance between panels.

Depends.

Nothing. What's he trying to say?
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2d6mz611.png


Well try to infer the distance between panels. Every good reader know that when not givne the straight up facts you have to infer. It's obvious their right next to each other so Suigetsu would have had to travel.

Well for normal people it'd be the hands.

That regular foot speed in this manga is not enough to do a complete blitz once you reach a certain level. The only times Kishi has shown real blitzing was with people with insanse shunshin speed. On ch. 462 pg. 3 Darui even noted how Team Taka is all keeping up with Raikage.

Phoenix Wright
10-09-2010, 04:03 PM
Hey look my point of comprehending the manga came into play!
Phoenix: Proving points that people don't think are points that come into play later so he can sound like a genius.

I needed something to say so I could come back into the debate but I'm not gonna be as active of a debater here than Kisame since I'm watching UNS2 Videos at the moment xD

321zigzag3
10-09-2010, 04:50 PM
That regular foot speed in this manga is not enough to do a complete blitz once you reach a certain level. The only times Kishi has shown real blitzing was with people with insanse shunshin speed. On ch. 462 pg. 3 Darui even noted how Team Taka is all keeping up with Raikage.


Actually it all depends on the opponent's reaction speed as well.

Did I not earlier state blitz is a bit of a broad thing?

Look at Raikage vs CS2 Jugo, CS2 Jugo barely reacted in time the same Raikage in Shroud 1 who at point blank evaded laser cannons.

And we all know Sasuke usually goes top speed everytime he charges. Darui just has good reaction speed. Which is expected of an Elite Jounin of Kumo.



As for Suigetsu he may reacted but its not like he wouldn't be able do anything at all, worse than CS2 Jugo.

It was C who said and basically he was talking about in the end Raikage is too fast for sharingan as well.



As for Tsunade being blized by Raiton Shroud Raikage actually Naruto Battledome people entertained that alot.

The only time they say Raikage not blitzing Tsunade is when Raikage is Shroudless.

Kisame
10-09-2010, 04:54 PM
Actually it all depends on the opponent's reaction speed as well.

Did I not earlier state blitz is a bit of a broad thing?

Look at Raikage vs CS2 Jugo, CS2 Jugo barely reacted in time the same Raikage in Shroud 1 who at point blank evaded laser cannons.

And we all know Sasuke usually goes top speed everytime he charges. Darui just has good reaction speed. Which is expected of an Elite Jounin of Kumo.



As for Suigetsu he may reacted but its not like he wouldn't be able do anything at all, worse than CS2 Jugo.

It was C who said and basically he was talking about in the end Raikage is too fast for sharingan as well.



As for Tsunade being blized by Raiton Shroud Raikage actually Naruto Battledome people entertained that alot.

The only time they say Raikage not blitzing Tsunade is when Raikage is Shroudless.


Well of course.

Yes, but Blitz in it's real definition I'm pretty sure refers to being too fast for the opponent to even counter at all.

In the end Raikage was only too fast with his r2 Shunshin, Sasuke countered everything Raikage had to offer before that.

Perhaps but that's another site.

321zigzag3
10-09-2010, 06:43 PM
Well of course.

Yes, but Blitz in it's real definition I'm pretty sure refers to being too fast for the opponent to even counter at all.

In the end Raikage was only too fast with his r2 Shunshin, Sasuke countered everything Raikage had to offer before that.

Perhaps but that's another site.

In a realm of fictional fight we should be a lot more general at times because technically this is all out interpretation. Just like history.

R2 Shunshin as in for Sasuke only more like? Sasuke was able to counter because he has top tier reaction speed plus with sharingan which really saved him so it is to be expected. It wasn't surprising.

Unless you have top tier reaction countering Raikage even in shroud 1 is very difficult.

I mentioned NBD because they got the best average of Naruto debators although they have their own unique set of trolling and problems.

There is no proof tsunade has top tier reaction at all. But powerscaling demands she should but all we have is a rusty tsunade against Kabuto.


How are you Kisame? Anything new?

Kisame
10-09-2010, 07:14 PM
In a realm of fictional fight we should be a lot more general at times because technically this is all out interpretation. Just like history.

R2 Shunshin as in for Sasuke only more like? Sasuke was able to counter because he has top tier reaction speed plus with sharingan which really saved him so it is to be expected. It wasn't surprising.

Unless you have top tier reaction countering Raikage even in shroud 1 is very difficult.

I mentioned NBD because they got the best average of Naruto debators although they have their own unique set of trolling and problems.

There is no proof tsunade has top tier reaction at all. But powerscaling demands she should but all we have is a rusty tsunade against Kabuto.


How are you Kisame? Anything new?

Yeah.

Yeah, it did help Sasuke out a lot, and I agree with your points, what I'm trying to argue against is a full out blitz. A lot of people would have a hard time countering for a long time but generally they should be fast enough to avoid a full on blitz by a footspeed r1 Raikage.

Yeah, they do have beter average, but I don't really know how their whole system operates.

Well yeah that's why I said non BG logic wise Tsunade should be able to react to Raikage.

Nothing much, oh yeah Zigs sign in on IM quick.

321zigzag3
10-09-2010, 07:38 PM
Yeah.

Yeah, it did help Sasuke out a lot, and I agree with your points, what I'm trying to argue against is a full out blitz. A lot of people would have a hard time countering for a long time but generally they should be fast enough to avoid a full on blitz by a footspeed r1 Raikage.

Yeah, they do have beter average, but I don't really know how their whole system operates.

Well yeah that's why I said non BG logic wise Tsunade should be able to react to Raikage.

Nothing much, oh yeah Zigs sign in on IM quick.

Oh?

NBD is quite and interesting place but I am not so fond of it.
Dudemeister despises it as being an offshot of Konoha library.

Non BG logic as in possible Kishi logic? http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2z7exox.png

IM? Maybe briefly.

Kisame
10-09-2010, 08:32 PM
Oh?

NBD is quite and interesting place but I am not so fond of it.
Dudemeister despises it as being an offshot of Konoha library.

Non BG logic as in possible Kishi logic? http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2z7exox.png

IM? Maybe briefly.

Really I thought you liked it there

Well I kind of prefer to combine the two, but people rarely do that.

Oh yeah about the thing in IM, you were right, it already happened and so soon. :(

321zigzag3
10-09-2010, 08:51 PM
Its ok.

In 7 posts. I told you they are fast man.

MysticGoten
10-10-2010, 01:51 PM
Can you change 'Android' to 'No.'?
And Dragon Ball to DragonBall.

Pat
10-12-2010, 03:00 PM
Is this still being updated?

321zigzag3
10-12-2010, 03:52 PM
There is always going to be at least for now short bursts of updating time while usually its still.

Mind you the wiki isn't perfect but we do out best including our laziness.

Pat
10-12-2010, 03:54 PM
Oh silly Ziggy being lazy, gosh this thing is so old nowadays. About a year I think, oh nostalgia.

321zigzag3
10-12-2010, 03:58 PM
Well the last updated on was on Saturday I believe.

Pat
10-12-2010, 04:02 PM
Oh wow, that's sooner than I ever thought it had been. lol

321zigzag3
10-22-2010, 01:21 PM
Can you change 'Android' to 'No.'?
And Dragon Ball to DragonBall.

Aren't there multiple Androids?

Oh wow, that's sooner than I ever thought it had been. lol

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/ofc5ra1.png

Wind Style Naruto
11-30-2010, 03:48 PM
Can you add Disgeaa to your wiki . Its video game series based mainly around demons as well as angels and humans.

Just list the main characters not he support/creatable characters.

I belive Disgeaa belongs in the top tier or mid tier list since the demon overlords, high rank angels, and even super humans in that game are capable of highly destructable abilities at planet or galaxy bustin levels. Not only that some of the characters abilities are amazing and even their weaknesses amazing and funny.

I know just list these characters:

1. Laharl
2. Adell
3. Mao
4. Etna
5. Flonne
6. Rozalin
7. Yuukimaru
8. Rasberyl
9. Champloo
10. Almaz
11 Vyers(Mid Boss)
12. Axel
13. Master Lamington(Seraph)
14. Overlord Xenon
15. Superhero Aurum
16. Prinny
17. Baal

Heres a wiki to help you: http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Disgaea_Wiki

NBT
11-30-2010, 04:13 PM
Why the freak is Baal below a Prinny where the censored is Zetta?

Wind Style Naruto
11-30-2010, 04:17 PM
Why the freak is Baal below a Prinny where the censored is Zetta?

I didnt list by power level if that was the case Baal be in the Top 5 plus Zetta is from a different universe and serves nothing but as cameo in Disgaea games.

Vivi
11-30-2010, 04:24 PM
I didnt list by power level if that was the case Baal be in the Top 5 plus Zetta is from a different universe and serves nothing but as cameo in Disgaea games.

Yet his Level is 2000-3200 while Laharls is 1500.=/

A lvl 20 can walk around with 100 ton boxers and still make afterimages.

Laharl at Lvl 50 took down 2 Mil. Spaceships.

Lvl 30 Laharl can Planet Bust.

Also Zetta is playable.Makai Kingdom.

Wind Style Naruto
12-16-2010, 01:30 PM
Okay first off I dont really think a character's level is taht big of a deal plus a lvl 3o Laharl can only do Mountain Busting with his Overlord's wrath and Meteor Impact at lvl 50 is no better.

Space Cowboy Sasori
12-18-2010, 06:48 AM
Added two more profiles, Radim (http://mvbg.wikispaces.com/Radim) and Rutherfor (http://mvbg.wikispaces.com/Rutherfor).

I haven't done anything for this in awhile. haha

Miles Edgeworth
12-23-2010, 03:57 PM
I think we should have a 20th Century Boys page.

Granted, probably the only ones who know anything about it are TU, Dio Brando, and I.

Space Cowboy Sasori
12-23-2010, 04:22 PM
Vat knows, and I know a bit.

But not enough to help.

Nyruss
12-23-2010, 04:22 PM
So make one.

Miles Edgeworth
12-23-2010, 04:23 PM
But I'm lazy =/

deidara330
12-25-2010, 10:24 PM
I don't think profiles should be made for characters who have never been used in the BG. Additionally all characters ever used in the BG, even ones with almost no feats, should be given profiles. Basically, no unnecessary profiles. The purpose of the MVBG is to provide info, if the characters haven't already been used in a battle we can assume no one cares to look at their info. Making profiles for characters who've been debated, however, services those who continue to debate on them, who wish to make a thread about them, or who wish to go back to a previous debate.

Miles Edgeworth
12-25-2010, 10:25 PM
Good thing I'm gonna make moar 20th Century Boys threads then. >=D

Shikamaru Nara
01-15-2011, 11:09 AM
Just made 2 new pages. Look at this (http://mvbg.wikispaces.com/Zatch+Bell%21) and the character profile. Is it good?

Miles Edgeworth
01-15-2011, 11:28 AM
You forgot Zatch's durability but the rest looks good.

The destructive capacity part looks oddly similar to OBD's though. =S

Shikamaru Nara
01-15-2011, 11:33 AM
Yeah I took it from there. I wasn't sure. xD

Miles Edgeworth
01-15-2011, 11:47 AM
Oh, well it should be changed eventually. I would change it myself but I have little knowledge of ZB past the Ancient Mamodo arc and I watched that a long time ago on CN.

Shikamaru Nara
01-15-2011, 12:01 PM
I'll probably change it but I need to reread the series.

Kazumi Saitama
01-15-2011, 12:29 PM
I joined this! o.o

Did I do good?

Shikamaru Nara
01-15-2011, 12:30 PM
Perfect! ♥

Kazumi Saitama
01-15-2011, 12:37 PM
P: ♥

Kuromaki
01-15-2011, 02:10 PM
Is there a list of all who joined? I know my name was like FifthMizukage something, but I'm not sure.

Miles Edgeworth
01-15-2011, 07:00 PM
The wiki itself has a member list somewhere.

Shikamaru Nara
01-18-2011, 10:40 AM
Is there a list of all who joined? I know my name was like FifthMizukage something, but I'm not sure.

You can get it emailed to you, but I'll see if I can find you.
EDIT: Yeah, 5thMizukage

The Anti-Existence
01-21-2011, 02:03 PM
It's a disgrace that the other two Privaron are on the Wikia but not Gantenbainne.

He was the best one.

NBT
01-21-2011, 02:25 PM
Say wha?

The Anti-Existence
01-21-2011, 02:33 PM
http://mvbg.wikispaces.com/Bleach

See the profiles for Dodorni and Cirucci? They are two of the three Privaron Espada we encounter in Bleach.

Someone chose to write them up a profile but not Gantenbainne. Gantenbainne impressed me a lot more than the chick with the oversized yoyo.

Shikamaru Nara
01-21-2011, 03:50 PM
I'm not very good at doing speeds, but maybe later I'll do a profile for him.

The Anti-Existence
01-21-2011, 03:55 PM
Kay. If you get around to it, thanks very much.

J-Sun Tasogare
02-17-2011, 07:42 PM
Is there any reason to keep this stickied?

Wooster
02-17-2011, 07:46 PM
Nope, kill it.

J-Sun Tasogare
02-17-2011, 07:47 PM
Unstuck and considering locking since no one can join and the wiki is meant to just be observed now.

Wooster
02-17-2011, 07:57 PM
That's up to you.

J-Sun Tasogare
02-17-2011, 07:58 PM
If anyone wants it open they can open it

Wooster
02-17-2011, 08:01 PM
Well if they have mod powers.