Obama and the Nobel Peace Prize

[Nābris]

*Checks to see if this was already posted*
Nope, I think I'm safe :p

Yes, the title says it all. President Obama has won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize. Here is a video of the announcement (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8298580.stm)

Apparently, the committee supports his plans "to strengthen the international diplomacy and inter human relations". Can you agree?

Personally, I am rather surprised. However, I would like to hear what you all have to say about it. Please Discuss!

[JCTKNE4E]

Yes nabris this was already made....

however upon further inspection it for some strange reason is in the off topic section.

My response there:

From what little I've heard about it, he is receiving it because of what he's promised to do. If this is the criteria, I move that EVERY politician thats ever been in office, deceased or no, gets the nobel prize. They've all promised many grand things, which most either have been left unfulfilled, or caused more damage to a pre-existing problem. Awarding someone such a prestigious award, for things that they have not even done, is so incredible, I cant find words for it. Its just ridiculous.

[Nābris]

Yes nabris this was already made....


Gah, my first thread ends up to be a copied one. X(
I apologize for this inconvenience.

Either way, thank you for re-posting your opinions.

[Gamabunta]

Hey everyone I promise to acheive world peace. Where is my prize?

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

Hey everyone I promise to acheive world peace. Where is my prize?

Lmao, sorry, they ran out of Nobel Peace Prizes. :p

[ItachiAnbu]

*Checks to see if this was already posted*
Nope, I think I'm safe :p

Yes, the title says it all. President Obama has won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize. Here is a video of the announcement (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8298580.stm)

Apparently, the committee supports his plans "to strengthen the international diplomacy and inter human relations". Can you agree?

Personally, I am rather surprised. However, I would like to hear what you all have to say about it. Please Discuss!

Good for him. I'd already heard about this, but even then I wasn't really shocked. It doesn't seem like a huge deal.

[Sasori12]

Hey everyone I promise to acheive world peace. Where is my prize?
roflmao, ok its not that funny but I agree.

[Itachi Uchia]

but wat makes me upset is the fact that people keep saying that he didnt do anything to get the award and people are also saying that wat did he do to deserve the award its buggin me

[Chuckness]

*Checks to see if this was already posted*
Nope, I think I'm safe :p

Yes, the title says it all. President Obama has won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize. Here is a video of the announcement (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8298580.stm)

Apparently, the committee supports his plans "to strengthen the international diplomacy and inter human relations". Can you agree?

Personally, I am rather surprised. However, I would like to hear what you all have to say about it. Please Discuss!

I really think this is pointless. Now, why don't they start giving Nobels to Barney?!

[JCTKNE4E]

Ghandi, Pope John Paul II, Eleanor Roosevelt, Liu Xiaobo, and many others are among the list of greats who were nominated for the nobel peace prize award but never won. What has Obama done, (besides opening a dialogue with Iran, which was inevitable with the International community coming down on them) to surpass these people?

[Uchiha master]

I think it's just stupid giving out prizes for something ppl promise to do,he should've gotten the award after he's actually done something

[mrsticky005]

I think it's fine that the got the Nobel Peace Prize because apparently
it means diddly-squat now. I wonder if Sideshow Bob will be proved wrong
when they give out a Nobel Prize for Attempted Chemistry.



(Sideshow Bob: Attempted murder? What is that! They don't give out a Nobel Prize for Attempted Chemistry...)

[nine tailed fox]

Some peaple are saying he dpesn't deserve it but I think he does.

[Konoichi]

Some peaple are saying he dpesn't deserve it but I think he does.

I just don't get what he did to deserve it

[JCTKNE4E]

Some peaple are saying he dpesn't deserve it but I think he does.

this is a debate, and I am very interested to hear reasons, so please explain what he has possibly done to earn it, when the entire pretense behind winning the prize is what he 'promises' to do

[mrsticky005]

Some peaple are saying he dpesn't deserve it but I think he does.

Do tell us what it was.

[Sasori_X]

I think it's fine that the got the Nobel Peace Prize because apparently
it means diddly-squat now. I wonder if Sideshow Bob will be proved wrong
when they give out a Nobel Prize for Attempted Chemistry.



(Sideshow Bob: Attempted murder? What is that! They don't give out a Nobel Prize for Attempted Chemistry...)

LOL I agree, Nobel Peace Prize is pretty much trash now. I mean Al Gore got his because he made a movie about Global Warming. Stupid, so many other people made movies, documentaries, wrote books on it way before Al Gore. I mean the movie "The day after tommorrow" came first and Roland didn't get any Nobel ;);););) .

The Nobel peace prize has some kind of hard on for Democratic politicians or something.

[James_Bond]

I don't think he should have got it because I don't think he has done much of anything.

[The 1st Hokage]

well im not racist but i hate obama.he sucks a president a i dont think he deserved to win i think mcain had more expereince and would have been better but overall i wanted huckabee as president (ithink i spelled his name right) he was more down to earth than any other pollotician ive ever seen

[Sunagakure]

I think this award was premature to give to President Obama. Don't get me wrong, I like Obama and voted for Obama, but I think that this was a vote for what Obama hopes to achieve, rather than what has been done so far. I am glad that he is giving the prize money to charity though.

That said, I think that there is an interesting shift in why the Nobel Prizes are being awarded to certain individuals. This year the prize for economics went to a very bright first-year graduate student: http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/10/first-year-grad-student-wins-nobel.html

It seems as if the judging committee is looking not only at one's entire body of work, but taking the potential of that individual's ideas to help shape and redefine our world into consideration. This shift is actually good in a way, as it gives more winners who might have traditionally been dismissed by the committee (e.g., too young, not established enough, etc.) to have the opportunity to win the prestigious award.

You never know, we have some really bright people around these forums. With the new shift in judging perspective, one of you could come up with a brilliant idea and win the prize too. ^^

[zebrakiller]

who else wouldve won it if not obama?

[JCTKNE4E]

I think this award was premature to give to President Obama. Don't get me wrong, I like Obama and voted for Obama, but I think that this was a vote for what Obama hopes to achieve, rather than what has been done so far. I am glad that he is giving the prize money to charity though.

That said, I think that there is an interesting shift in why the Nobel Prizes are being awarded to certain individuals. This year the prize for economics went to a very bright first-year graduate student: http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/10/first-year-grad-student-wins-nobel.html

It seems as if the judging committee is looking not only at one's entire body of work, but taking the potential of that individual's ideas to help shape and redefine our world into consideration. This shift is actually good in a way, as it gives more winners who might have traditionally been dismissed by the committee (e.g., too young, not established enough, etc.) to have the opportunity to win the prestigious award.

You never know, we have some really bright people around these forums. With the new shift in judging perspective, one of you could come up with a brilliant idea and win the prize too. ^^


SO? I went to school with some VERY intelligent, bright people. And I watched them squander their potential by being lazy, not completing assignments, or getting the good grades they could have easily have gotten. What someone is CAPABLE of doing and what someone actually achieves are two completely different things. An award, especially one so prestigious (at least it used to be), should not be given on promises that have not yet been fulfilled or someone's 'potential'.

who else wouldve won it if not obama?

There was a year when the awards simply were not given, I believe the year Martin Luther King Jr. died. No one HAD to receive anything. Least of all Obama

[Sunagakure]

SO? I went to school with some VERY intelligent, bright people. And I watched them squander their potential by being lazy, not completing assignments, or getting the good grades they could have easily have gotten. What someone is CAPABLE of doing and what someone actually achieves are two completely different things. An award, especially one so prestigious (at least it used to be), should not be given on promises that have not yet been fulfilled or someone's 'potential'.



There was a year when the awards simply were not given, I believe the year Martin Luther King Jr. died. No one HAD to receive anything. Least of all Obama

With all due respect, an individual does not need to have an amazing body of work behind him/her to necessarily win a Nobel award. It depends, of course, on the award category. You will note that I said I didn't think that Obama should have won the Nobel Peace Prize. This is because I have not seen Obama achieve any peaceful resolution to conflict, nor have I seen him engage in any new or world-changing ideas about how to achieve peaceful coexzistence.

That said, the economist who won is very bright and is working on an economic model to help undermine the causes of global poverty and provide global economic stability. Maybe he doesn't have the life experience of other economists, but proposing a potentially world-changing and revolutionary idea for positively reconfiguring economic systems is impressive. His ideas can now be adopted by others with more experience on implementing such structures and who have more financial backing.

To reconfigure a phrase of Newton's, sometimes we have to be lifted up by the giants so we can stand on their shoulders and see further ^^

[sasu_girl]

srry, but obama doesn't deserve it. he hasn't actually done nethin yet. they awarded him the nobel peace prize because of what he says he's gonna do. they shuld hav given it to som1 who's actually done somthin. if i'm wrong, please, disregard evrythin i've said. if u disagree, i could care less. if i'm right please put evrythin i said into consideration.

[kay]

stupidest thing ever he should have never goten that he sis nothing he only tallked about peace

[deidara330]

They're giving it to him for what he says he'll do, and not what he's done. My guess is they're giving it to him so more people will support him and his ideals. I, for one, already liked the guy, but I don't think that good intentions are enough to win an honor as prestigious as the Nobel Peace Prize. Maybe in the future he'll do something so great he would deserve it, but there are many people with good intentions and can't do anything about those intentions.

[mrsticky005]

who else wouldve won it if not obama?

Someone who deserved it.

[ItachiAnbu]

With all due respect, an individual does not need to have an amazing body of work behind him/her to necessarily win a Nobel award. It depends, of course, on the award category. You will note that I said I didn't think that Obama should have won the Nobel Peace Prize. This is because I have not seen Obama achieve any peaceful resolution to conflict, nor have I seen him engage in any new or world-changing ideas about how to achieve peaceful coexzistence.

That said, the economist who won is very bright and is working on an economic model to help undermine the causes of global poverty and provide global economic stability. Maybe he doesn't have the life experience of other economists, but proposing a potentially world-changing and revolutionary idea for positively reconfiguring economic systems is impressive. His ideas can now be adopted by others with more experience on implementing such structures and who have more financial backing.

To reconfigure a phrase of Newton's, sometimes we have to be lifted up by the giants so we can stand on their shoulders and see further ^^

Thank you. It's nice to see that there's someone who thinks like I do.

[lolohwd]

i think he totally deserved it he might of dodged a sitiuation where we end up under a nuclear missle
and al gore got one

[Jinchiruuki]

I think this prize he received was more for his speeches rather than actions, but he is one of the few leaders who has spoken about the things he has, in the way he has. We haven't had a president who speaks of what really matters and what needs to be done in a way we all understand and agree with besides Bill Clinton maybe and some earlier presidents (obviously depending on what political party you categorize yourself) But all in all look at past nobel prizes and know that not every prize was given for just action but also for thoughts, ideas, and beliefs. So I think he deserved it in that sense. On the other hand he hasn't done anything to the point of what he is saying but we still have a long way to go to see if it will happen or not.

[SRhyse]

Though I like Obama, I'm completely in line with everyone thus far expressing discontent for a premature prize based on wishful thinking.

As someone that majored in Rhetoric, I acknowledge a valley the size of the grand canyon between good speech and good actions. Obama may very well save the world, but certainly has yet to. Every President had the best intentions, even Nixon.

I'm very proud of this thread :cry:.

[Soccer Ninja 21]

I'm really not sure what to think, being 14, I really don't worry to much about polotics, but I watch Glenn Beck. It sems to me that Obama is very good at talking things, but I've yet to see him DO anything, totally major to deserve this prize.
I have hopes though.
Sorry I can't add to much more detail on this, I don't know much.

[JCTKNE4E]

I'm really not sure what to think, being 14, I really don't worry to much about polotics, but I watch Glenn Beck. It sems to me that Obama is very good at talking things, but I've yet to see him DO anything, totally major to deserve this prize.
I have hopes though.
Sorry I can't add to much more detail on this, I don't know much.

I can add a few: Take everything you hear from glenn beck and the like (this includes stations like msnbc too, lefties) with a little more than a grain of salt. Talk shows are not REQUIRED to portray the facts in an unbiased manner, and they sure as hell dont. Research the things that you hear from them and form your own opinions based on the facts, instead of just taking what they say as whats right. Thats how you become a puppet.

[mrsticky005]

I can add a few: Take everything you hear from glenn beck and the like (this includes stations like msnbc too, lefties) with a little more than a grain of salt. Talk shows are not REQUIRED to portray the facts in an unbiased manner, and they sure as hell dont. Research the things that you hear from them and form your own opinions based on the facts, instead of just taking what they say as whats right. Thats how you become a puppet.

Agreed.

Although I like Glenn Beck too. He even says himself that not everything he says
is unbiased fact.

[JCTKNE4E]

I prefer Michael Savage, but I still dont take anything he says as truth unless I look it up first, or at least ask around (on smaller issues).

Is he really an independent? I'm not sure, but a lot of my political views are in line with his, and he's really interesting to listen to, from his random stories, to making fun of Rush, Fox, and Msnbc and the like, to touching on issues some people have not, it seems a step away from all the other talk shows.