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deidara330
09-04-2009, 07:01 AM
Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.

Nick Tasogare
09-04-2009, 07:06 AM
Well, what else could he mean by "fire of the Senju clan"? Hashirama was not the only Senju, there was Tobirama, as well as another female who was a Genjutsu Specialist. It has never been said whether Tsunade had children or not, and lot's of things are unconfirmed. And who are you to tell people what types of threads they should and shouldn't make? And way to put a spoiler in your title, regardless of putting "*spoilers*" people can still see the rest of the title.

JPSM
09-04-2009, 07:07 AM
Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.

The thing is, you are also forgotting to tell that Uchiha Vs Senju was a family battle....and Naruto will take part in this clan wars, so if Sasuke is Uchiha...and this is a family war, and Naruto is destined to fight agaisnt Sasuke, then Naruto is a Senju....Beeing called Uzumaki Naruto (or in fact Namikaze Naruto...cause his true name is Nakimaze, Uzumaki was just a decision of Hiruzen to protect him), doesn't mean that he cannot be a senju descendent....

Skrall
09-04-2009, 07:12 AM
I agree with you deidara330, I think Madara didnt mean that Naruto was a Senju, literally. I think he refered about his way of thinking. Finnaly I met someone who said that Naruto isnt a Senju.

JPSM
09-04-2009, 07:14 AM
I agree with you JPMS, I think Madara didnt mean that Naruto was a Senju, literally. I think he refered about his way of thinking. Finnaly I met someone who said that Naruto isnt a Senju.

You understood wrong...XD...I think he is related....in this way...female senju that Nick talked about married with a Namikaze name guy....they had Minato, and Minato had Naruto....He isn't called Senju, but he his a Senju heir and descendent...

Nick Tasogare
09-04-2009, 07:17 AM
The thing is, you are also forgotting to tell that Uchiha Vs Senju was a family battle....and Naruto will take part in this clan wars, so if Sasuke is Uchiha...and this is a family war, and Naruto is destined to fight agaisnt Sasuke, then Naruto is a Senju....Beeing called Uzumaki Naruto (or in fact Namikaze Naruto...cause his true name is Nakimaze, Uzumaki was just a decision of Hiruzen to protect him), doesn't mean that he cannot be a senju descendent....

Actually, Uzumaki was his mother, Kushina's name, hence the Uzumaki.

TsukuyomiNightmare
09-04-2009, 07:18 AM
The thing is, you are also forgotting to tell that Uchiha Vs Senju was a family battle....and Naruto will take part in this clan wars, so if Sasuke is Uchiha...and this is a family war, and Naruto is destined to fight agaisnt Sasuke, then Naruto is a Senju....Beeing called Uzumaki Naruto (or in fact Namikaze Naruto...cause his true name is Nakimaze, Uzumaki was just a decision of Hiruzen to protect him), doesn't mean that he cannot be a senju descendent....
Naruto isn't a Senju. There's just no way that he is, because like I said in another thread, there's allmost no way that Tsunade is Minatos mother, and we don't know any other female ninja from Senju clan that can be his mother, and I can't think of any other way that Minato could be related to the Senju clan. And if he's not related, that means that Naruto isn't from Senju clan, too.

Nick Tasogare
09-04-2009, 07:19 AM
Naruto isn't a Senju. There's just no way that he is, because like I said in another thread, there's allmost no way that Tsunade is Minatos mother, and we don't know any other female ninja from Senju clan that can be his mother, and I can't think of any other way that Minato could be related to the Senju clan. And if he's not related, that means that Naruto isn't from Senju clan, too.

There is another Female member of the Senju Clan who specialized in Genjutsu

deidara330
09-04-2009, 07:21 AM
Well, what else could he mean by "fire of the Senju clan"? Hashirama was not the only Senju, there was Tobirama, as well as another female who was a Genjutsu Specialist. It has never been said whether Tsunade had children or not, and lot's of things are unconfirmed. And who are you to tell people what types of threads they should and shouldn't make? And way to put a spoiler in your title, regardless of putting "*spoilers*" people can still see the rest of the title.
He could mean that his fire is similar to that of the Senju clan. Konoha has the will of fire, but it doesn't mean that every single person in Konoha is related. And I didn't tell them what threads they should and shouldn't make. I was saying that it was never a confirmed or proven fact, so people shouldn't use it in debates and arguments as such. And "Naruto is not a Senju" isn't actually a spoiler, because anyone who doesn't read the manga would already think that Naruto wasn't a Senju, and wouldn't know what happened in Chapter 462.
The thing is, you are also forgotting to tell that Uchiha Vs Senju was a family battle....and Naruto will take part in this clan wars, so if Sasuke is Uchiha...and this is a family war, and Naruto is destined to fight agaisnt Sasuke, then Naruto is a Senju....Beeing called Uzumaki Naruto (or in fact Namikaze Naruto...cause his true name is Nakimaze, Uzumaki was just a decision of Hiruzen to protect him), doesn't mean that he cannot be a senju descendent....
Uchiha VS. Senju was a family war, but Naruto and Sassuke's rivalry isn't necessarily Uchiha Vs. Senju. He isn't a part of what went down, as he grew up with no battle against Uchiha, or even any knowledge of the struggle. Just because he is called Naruto Uzumaki doesn't mean he isn't a Senju desendant. But just because he shares their rivalry with Uchiha doesn't mean that he is.
You understood wrong...XD...I think he is related....in this way...female senju that Nick talked about married with a Namikaze name guy....they had Minato, and Minato had Naruto....He isn't called Senju, but he his a Senju heir and descendent...
It was never actually proven if Minato had a relasionship with the Senju.
Naruto isn't a Senju. There's just no way that he is, because like I said in another thread, there's allmost no way that Tsunade is Minatos mother, and we don't know any other female ninja from Senju clan that can be his mother, and I can't think of any other way that Minato could be related to the Senju clan. And if he's not related, that means that Naruto isn't from Senju clan, too.
It's entirely possible that he could be related to the Senju, if his father was a desendant of a female Senju who was married to a Namikaze.

JPSM
09-04-2009, 07:22 AM
Actually, Uzumaki was his mother, Kushina's name, hence the Uzumaki.

Yes..but Hiruzen, to protect Naruto replace his fathers name, Namikaze, by his mothers name...so that no one would came after him thinking he had his father kekke genkai (if he had one) or inherit some sort of special items or scrolls from his father.....there is a lot of problems in him beeing the Kyuubi alone, it would be a lot worse if people (mainly the outsiders of the village) knew that he is the kyuubi and 4th's son....

TsukuyomiNightmare
09-04-2009, 07:23 AM
There is another Female member of the Senju Clan who specialized in Genjutsu
And she was alive when Konoha was found, which was way before Minato was born.

Vivi
09-04-2009, 07:26 AM
There is another Female member of the Senju Clan who specialized in Genjutsu

Toka Senju.She is seen in chapter 399 standing left from hashirama.PURTY.

JPSM
09-04-2009, 07:26 AM
Naruto isn't a Senju. There's just no way that he is, because like I said in another thread, there's allmost no way that Tsunade is Minatos mother, and we don't know any other female ninja from Senju clan that can be his mother, and I can't think of any other way that Minato could be related to the Senju clan. And if he's not related, that means that Naruto isn't from Senju clan, too.

The Female nick talks in were

There is another Female member of the Senju Clan who specialized in Genjutsu

Her name is Senju Tora, she appeared, when Madara was talking with Sasuke about the Senju vs Uchiha...the only thing we know is her name, her appearence and specialllity in genjutsu....

And one thing that Kishimoto already proven its that when we learn something about a character, like its name, is that sooner or later, the character will play some sort of role in something....

Nick Tasogare
09-04-2009, 07:27 AM
He could mean that his fire is similar to that of the Senju clan. Konoha has the will of fire, but it doesn't mean that every single person in Konoha is related. And I didn't tell them what threads they should and shouldn't make. I was saying that it was never a confirmed or proven fact, so people shouldn't use it in debates and arguments as such. And "Naruto is not a Senju" isn't actually a spoiler, because anyone who doesn't read the manga would already think that Naruto wasn't a Senju, and wouldn't know what happened in Chapter 462.

((Yes, they wouldn't think he was Senju, but by making it a point to say he isn't one, you are ruining everything that has gone on in the Manga lately for them. And you didnt say we shouldn't use the Naruto is a Senju in threads, you said we shouldn't make threads about it, so you are telling us what types of threads we can and cannot make

So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.
What the hell are you talking about "his fire"? What fire?))

Uchiha VS. Senju was a family war, but Naruto and Sassuke's rivalry isn't necessarily Uchiha Vs. Senju. He isn't a part of what went down, as he grew up with no battle against Uchiha, or even any knowledge of the struggle. Just because he is called Naruto Uzumaki doesn't mean he isn't a Senju desendant. But just because he shares their rivalry with Uchiha doesn't mean that he is.

I'm so sick of arguing why he is a Senju, I'm just not even going to bother anymore.

Skrall
09-04-2009, 07:27 AM
Did I say JPMS I meant deidara330, sorry man.

Nick Tasogare
09-04-2009, 07:29 AM
And she was alive when Konoha was found, which was way before Minato was born.

Yea, so are you saying you know for a fact that she didn't have children who could have had Minato? And btw, Konoha is about 80-90 years old, so it's not as much of a stretch as you make it out to be

Vivi
09-04-2009, 07:30 AM
Her name is Senju Tora, she appeared, when Madara was talking with Sasuke about the Senju vs Uchiha...the only thing we know is her name, her appearence and specialllity in genjutsu....


It's Toka not Tora.
Her age is said as 27 when we saw her and of "Presumed" dead.

JPSM
09-04-2009, 07:32 AM
It's Toka not Tora.
Her age is said as 27 when we saw her and of "Presumed" dead.

Sorry...I write it wrong...but you get what I ment....though

Vivi
09-04-2009, 07:33 AM
Sorry...I write it wrong...but you get what I ment....though

It's Grand.

Toka is >.< HAWT

Shkin
09-04-2009, 08:01 AM
I'm so sick of arguing why he is a Senju, I'm just not even going to bother anymore.
i'll save you from hurting yourself...copied this from the other thread...me getting tired of this too...ahahaha...and i haven't really posted yet...

Yea, well, a lot of things don't add up. Plus, how does it not make sense? Senju are known for their abundant Chakra, as well as being able to gain ground in the three types of Jutsu easily, and Naruto is pretty good at mastering jutsu, plus Naruto has hella Chakra without the fox, as said by Kakashi during his Shadow Clone training.

And why would we have heard about it? Why would someone have mentioned it? It was just recently proved that Minato was Naruto's father, sure, there was the appearance, but it was never proven, and nobody, including Jiraiya, ever told Naruto who his father was.

And just because it wasn't said outright means nothing, even though it is pretty evident that that was what he meant. "I can tell that the fire of the Senju clan dwells in you. I can see the First Hokage in you. Senju and Uchiha, Fire and Hatred, Naruto and Sasuke." That pretty much is saying "You're a Senju kid!"

Nick Tasogare
09-04-2009, 08:05 AM
Haha, thanks shkin xD

Uchiha master
09-04-2009, 08:08 AM
Naruto could be conected to the senju somehow but remember what the 3rd said "the will of fire burns within the lives of the ppl of the hidden leaf" so that just means they have the courage that the senju had^^

this probably didn't make any sense to some or all but it was the best way to express myself

Neji_Hyuga
09-04-2009, 08:46 AM
i agree

Naruto321
09-04-2009, 08:49 AM
Same here.

TheBlackChidori
09-04-2009, 10:26 AM
Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.

This forum is to discuss theories. Let the people post their theories. There are too many hints that make it likely. We all know that Tsunade is a Senju. Let's ignore the many similarities and subtle hints that link her to Jiraiya and Minato and focus on one comment made by jiraiya to her, during a dicussion about Minato.

Jiraiya: "If we was MY Son Tsunade, I'd be proud of him."
Tsunade: *looks down at the ground*

Now let me ask you something. Why would he say this at random, if he wasn't her son? That makes no sense. If Tsunade would have responded, it might be questionable, but the fact that she didnt say a word and looked as if she was seriously thinking about, is proof enough that Minato was her son, making Naruto her grandson.

Other subtle little hints, the fact that he's called her Grandma Tsunade for all these years. Talk about irony. How about the recurring pattern?

Hashirama Vs. Madara
Hiruzen(Trained and raised by Senju) Vs. Danzo(In possession of Uchiha eye)
Minato Vs. Shisui(Possible, not fact)
Naruto Vs. Sasuke

There is too much supporting this.

deidara330
09-04-2009, 10:28 AM
((Yes, they wouldn't think he was Senju, but by making it a point to say he isn't one, you are ruining everything that has gone on in the Manga lately for them.

((So to point it out as a fact that he isn't one, I'm ruining the manga for them. The only thing I ruin by stating that he isn''t one is their wonder of if he is one. It's not like I made a thread and in the title I revealed Itachi's entire secret. THAT would've ruined the manga for them.))

And you didnt say we shouldn't use the Naruto is a Senju in threads, you said we shouldn't make threads about it, so you are telling us what types of threads we can and cannot make

((Key word: SHOULDN'T. I never actually said "You cannot make threads about Naruto being a Senju". I said they shouldn't.

What the hell are you talking about "his fire"? What fire?))

((Madara stated that Naruto had the Senju clan's fire in him. I said his "fire" is similar to the Senju clan's, but doesn't necessarily make him a Senju.))

I'm so sick of arguing why he is a Senju, I'm just not even going to bother anymore.
I don't care if you think he's a Senju or not. I made this thread because it was never confirmed, proven, or stated that Naruto is, in fact, a Senju. Some people say that he's a Senju as though it's a fact, but it was never proven, so I believe that they shouldn't do it. That's all I ask.
i'll save you from hurting yourself...copied this from the other thread...me getting tired of this too...ahahaha...and i haven't really posted yet...
Yea, well, a lot of things don't add up. Plus, how does it not make sense? Senju are known for their abundant Chakra, as well as being able to gain ground in the three types of Jutsu easily, and Naruto is pretty good at mastering jutsu, plus Naruto has hella Chakra without the fox, as said by Kakashi during his Shadow Clone training.

((Naruto has abundant chakra because of the Kyuubi, so it would be very hard to tell if he would've already had vast chakra without the Kyuubi. And Naruto isn't good at mastering Genjutsu, since I don't think he actually knows any.))

And why would we have heard about it? Why would someone have mentioned it? It was just recently proved that Minato was Naruto's father, sure, there was the appearance, but it was never proven, and nobody, including Jiraiya, ever told Naruto who his father was.

((we learned that Minato was Naruto's father nearly 100 chapters ago. Minato's second actual appearance in the manga was after he was confirmed as Naruto's father.))

And just because it wasn't said outright means nothing, even though it is pretty evident that that was what he meant. "I can tell that the fire of the Senju clan dwells in you. I can see the First Hokage in you. Senju and Uchiha, Fire and Hatred, Naruto and Sasuke." That pretty much is saying "You're a Senju kid!"

((He didn't actually say Naruto was a Senju, he said Naruto was like a Senju. He was comparing their rivalry to the Senju's, it's not like he's implying that Naruto is a Senju.))

Nick Tasogare
09-04-2009, 10:30 AM
I don't care if you think he's a Senju or not. I made this thread because it was never confirmed, proven, or stated that Naruto is, in fact, a Senju. Some people say that he's a Senju as though it's a fact, but it was never proven, so I believe that they shouldn't do it. That's all I ask.

So basically we shouldn't say our opinions? We shouldn't debate them?

His abundant chakra is not from the Kyuubi, if you remember, Kakashi talked about him having much more then himself, without the Kyuubi

How the hell is he not implying he is a Senju? And where did he outright say "You are like a Senju"?

TheBlackChidori
09-04-2009, 10:36 AM
((Naruto has abundant chakra because of the Kyuubi, so it would be very hard to tell if he would've already had vast chakra without the Kyuubi. And Naruto isn't good at mastering Genjutsu, since I don't think he actually knows any.))

Not entirely true. Remember the first training he went to with Jiraiya, when he had his Shadow Clone battle royale? He didnt use a single bit of the Kyuubi chakra there, and it still took him hours to exhaust his own chakra. Kakashi even stated during their first training exercise that Naruto had an abundance of chakra, long before the Kyuubi started seeping out.

deidara330
09-04-2009, 10:40 AM
This forum is to discuss theories. Let the people post their theories. There are too many hints that make it likely. We all know that Tsunade is a Senju. Let's ignore the many similarities and subtle hints that link her to Jiraiya and Minato and focus on one comment made by jiraiya to her, during a dicussion about Minato.

Jiraiya: "If we was MY Son Tsunade, I'd be proud of him."
Tsunade: *looks down at the ground*

Now let me ask you something. Why would he say this at random, if he wasn't her son? That makes no sense. If Tsunade would have responded, it might be questionable, but the fact that she didnt say a word and looked as if she was seriously thinking about, is proof enough that Minato was her son, making Naruto her grandson.

Other subtle little hints, the fact that he's called her Grandma Tsunade for all these years. Talk about irony. How about the recurring pattern?

Hashirama Vs. Madara
Hiruzen(Trained and raised by Senju) Vs. Danzo(In possession of Uchiha eye)
Minato Vs. Shisui(Possible, not fact)
Naruto Vs. Sasuke

There is too much supporting this.
I don't think my message got across quite clearly. What I meant to do by making this thread wasn't to tell people not to speculate that Naruto is a Senju, but to tell people not to state Naruto being a Senju as a proven fact, because it was never proven. Like Tobi is Obito, people constantly say it's true, even though it's nothing more than a theory.

It's entirely possible that when he said that, he meant that they were so close they were like father and son, and he was proud of Minato like a father. In the Land of Waves arc, Inari was close to Kaiza even though they weren't really related. Not to mention, Jiraiya was always like Naruto's grandfather, but they were never really related.

Naruto just calls her grandma Tsunade because of how old she is. About your Senju-Uchiha rivalries: I actualy think it would be Danzo VS. Tsunade, because of the way he treats her for following the teachings of the third.
And another thing: Look at Kakashi and Obito. They were like rivals, but Kakashi wasn't a Senju. Another thing is that Minato, nor Kushina, were ever actually confirmed to have rivalries with Uchiha clan members.

Nick Tasogare
09-04-2009, 10:44 AM
It kinda wouldn't be Danzo-Tsunade. Danzo vied with Hiruzen for title of Third Hokage, and they were pretty much enemies.

All you keep saying is "CONFIRMED, IT'S NOT CONFIRMED! EEEK"

This has neither been proven nor disproven, Tobi=Obito has been

If Jiraiya meant it in an "I think of him as a son" way I'm pretty sure he wouldn've said "He's like a so to me, I'm so proud of him" or something like that

Why do you have to get all upset over people debating/discussing their opinions? It's a discussion forum.

deidara330
09-04-2009, 10:44 AM
So basically we shouldn't say our opinions? We shouldn't debate them?

His abundant chakra is not from the Kyuubi, if you remember, Kakashi talked about him having much more then himself, without the Kyuubi

How the hell is he not implying he is a Senju? And where did he outright say "You are like a Senju"?
I'm not telling you not to debate your opinions. I'm telling you not to treat your opinions as facts. To say "Naruto is a Senju" and to say "I believe Naruto is a Senju" are two entirely different things.

Kakashi only said "If the seal were loosened" or something like that, I think. He, and many other people, have noted the tremendous amount of chakra he has because of the Kyuubi.

He said he had the fire of a Senju, and that was like saying he was like a Senju.

Nick Tasogare
09-04-2009, 10:47 AM
I'm not telling you not to debate your opinions. I'm telling you not to treat your opinions as facts. To say "Naruto is a Senju" and to say "I believe Naruto is a Senju" are two entirely different things.

Kakashi only said "If the seal were loosened" or something like that, I think. He, and many other people, have noted the tremendous amount of chakra he has because of the Kyuubi.

He said he had the fire of a Senju, and that was like saying he was like a Senju.

Firstly, Kakashi told him he had 100 times the chakra he himself possessed, without crossing over into the Kyuubi's chakra.

Secondly, he said "I see the fire of the Senju Clan in you" which implies that he is in one way or another, related to the Senju clan.

deidara330
09-04-2009, 10:48 AM
It kinda wouldn't be Danzo-Tsunade. Danzo vied with Hiruzen for title of Third Hokage, and they were pretty much enemies.

All you keep saying is "CONFIRMED, IT'S NOT CONFIRMED! EEEK"

This has neither been proven nor disproven, Tobi=Obito has been

If Jiraiya meant it in an "I think of him as a son" way I'm pretty sure he wouldn've said "He's like a so to me, I'm so proud of him" or something like that

Why do you have to get all upset over people debating/discussing their opinions? It's a discussion forum.
I never said "EEK". And I'm not upset over people debating their opinions at all. In fact, I've made like 20 threads about my theories.

He wouldn't necessarily have said it like that, I think the way he said it implies that he is proud of Minato, like a father.

TheBlackChidori
09-04-2009, 10:48 AM
*Deep voice*

You cannot win Deidara! I have the power!

Nick Tasogare
09-04-2009, 10:50 AM
I never said "EEK". And I'm not upset over people debating their opinions at all. In fact, I've made like 20 threads about my theories.

He wouldn't necessarily have said it like that, I think the way he said it implies that he is proud of Minato, like a father.

But the way he said it, and the way Tsunade responded. "If he were MY son, I'd be proud of him." It basically sounds like he's saying "He's your son, you should be proud." And the way she responded "*looks down*" reinforces that.

deidara330
09-04-2009, 10:54 AM
Not entirely true. Remember the first training he went to with Jiraiya, when he had his Shadow Clone battle royale? He didnt use a single bit of the Kyuubi chakra there, and it still took him hours to exhaust his own chakra. Kakashi even stated during their first training exercise that Naruto had an abundance of chakra, long before the Kyuubi started seeping out.
I will agree, he does have a lot of chakra without the Kyuubi, but there are only a few Senju members actually mentioned, and some of them weren't shown to have as vast chakra reserves as Naruto, like Nawaki, Tsunade, and Toka/Tora (I always forget the name).
Firstly, Kakashi told him he had 100 times the chakra he himself possessed, without crossing over into the Kyuubi's chakra.

Secondly, he said "I see the fire of the Senju Clan in you" which implies that he is in one way or another, related to the Senju clan.
Actually, I believe he said Naruto had 4 times his own chakra, and would have more if he had access to the Kyuubi's chakra.

And he did say he saw the Senju clans fire in him, but he doesn't have to be a Senju to have that fire. He's had a burning determination to become Hokage for a while, which Tsunade didn't have for a long time.

Nick Tasogare
09-04-2009, 10:55 AM
*can't remember 4 or 100? xD*

Anyways, I'm done, I've talked about this 12 times today already. Good night xD

deidara330
09-04-2009, 10:57 AM
But the way he said it, and the way Tsunade responded. "If he were MY son, I'd be proud of him." It basically sounds like he's saying "He's your son, you should be proud." And the way she responded "*looks down*" reinforces that.
But the way he says it would have to be with stresses on those particular words, but he seemed to say it very casually. BTW, I haven't actually read that chapter in a while, which one is it?

deidara330
09-04-2009, 10:58 AM
*can't remember 4 or 100? xD*

Anyways, I'm done, I've talked about this 12 times today already. Good night xD
Good night.

Bioyard
09-04-2009, 11:06 AM
Naruto could well be Senju. For one they repeatedly say in the manga that no one understands how naruto can withstand Kyuubis chakra. Meaning something in narutos blood is making him do something no one else can do.

Seeing as how only the First hokage could control the demons would lead anyone to believe that narutos unique ablility is connected to that. And 4ths ablility to put half the demons chakra inside naruto proves that he also has the some control over demons. Now i know the Third used they ability also but he was known as the master of almost all jutsu if not just alot. It's also been stated that the fourths sealing jutsu has never truly been understood.

But at the sametime, other countries have been able to put their demons chakra inside someones body too. So Naruto COULD be a senju. There is enough evidence to suggest he could be or could not be.

Vivi
09-04-2009, 11:12 AM
Naruto could well be Senju. For one they repeatedly say in the manga that no one understands how naruto can withstand Kyuubis chakra. Meaning something in narutos blood is making him do something no one else can do.

Seeing as how only the First hokage could control the demons would lead anyone to believe that narutos unique ablility is connected to that. And 4ths ablility to put half the demons chakra inside naruto proves that he also has the some control over demons. Now i know the Third used they ability also but he was known as the master of almost all jutsu if not just alot. It's also been stated that the fourths sealing jutsu has never truly been understood.

But at the sametime, other countries have been able to put their demons chakra inside someones body too. So Naruto COULD be a senju. There is enough evidence to suggest he could be or could not be.

You just made my day with that Post.

DrunkLee
09-04-2009, 12:09 PM
I think it is possible for him to be Senju but it is just as possible for him not to be Senju. As of now, I'm not believing it.

(un)Godly Hiroku
09-04-2009, 12:21 PM
i havent seen a thread saying naruto was in senju???

Fan of Minato
09-04-2009, 12:25 PM
Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.


Its a theory..

and the Minato's name was Namikaze.

Dan's name could have been Namikaze, his last name was not revealed.
and so wasn't Tsunade's...

as long as you don't base something on the theory, I think the threads are fine :D

3littlepigs
09-04-2009, 12:53 PM
Naruto isn't a Senju. There's just no way that he is, because like I said in another thread, there's allmost no way that Tsunade is Minatos mother, and we don't know any other female ninja from Senju clan that can be his mother, and I can't think of any other way that Minato could be related to the Senju clan. And if he's not related, that means that Naruto isn't from Senju clan, too.

I'm pretty sure since it's called the "Senju Clan" there were more than 3 people to begin with. Just because Kishi puts more detail on 3 Senju's in Madara's memories doesn't mean there weren't more just like with Uchiha. So technically if a woman from the Senju clan married another ninja from another less known clan wouldn't she take his last name? therefore Minato could very well be a descendant of the Senju clan. I do agree however that it's unlikely Tsunade is Minato's mom for lots of reasons. As for what Madara stated in the last chapter to me it kind of confirmed Naruto is a Senju BUT it could also just be he and the 1st are similar in how they do things...

Naruto321
09-04-2009, 01:03 PM
Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.

In chapter 462 Sasuke's Dogma
Tobi was referring Naruto as a Senju. He wasn't saying that he is. Because Naruto an Sasuke have been chosen by fate Tobi said.

JPSM
09-04-2009, 01:25 PM
In chapter 462 Sasuke's Dogma
Tobi was referring Naruto as a Senju. He wasn't saying that he is. Because Naruto an Sasuke have been chosen by fate Tobi said.

Tobi also said that fate chosen the two clan to battle...so if it was a war between only and strinctly the Senju and the Uchiha...why would Naruto be picked to this war?he isn't a Uchiha so he must be a Senju descendent...also like I said a lot before, and already a lot of people said it...you don't need to be SENJU something, to be a descendent of the senju...

Uchiha master
09-04-2009, 01:32 PM
besides nobody knows who the parents of the 4th are maybe his mom or dad or maybe one of his grandparents were from the senju clan

Naruto321
09-04-2009, 01:45 PM
I don't think so.
Tobi said that he sees the spirit of a Senju in Naruto.

Naruto321
09-04-2009, 01:48 PM
The people who were in the Senju clan were Nawaki, Tobirama Senju, Tsunade, Tōka Senju, and Hashirama Senju(1st Hokage)

zerosameri
09-04-2009, 01:50 PM
I know, that Naruto isn't a Senju. He's more like the 'spirt' of the Senju.(for say) but people may disagree with you.

*like people still think Tobi is Obito regarless that it has been disproven. This may end up like that*

Naruto321
09-04-2009, 02:10 PM
But Tobi isn't Obito.

Uchiha Hatake
09-04-2009, 02:20 PM
dude as time rolls on blood thins and family create differnt surnames just cause you are related by blood does not mean you have the same surname many are realted to a particular family by blood but do not have the name in those days clans were expanding and didnt want to only have senju names maybe minato mother was a full bood senju and his father just another family in the land of fire you cant say naruto has no relation to the senju after seeing that they were powerfula nd very large and unlike uchiha not narcistic

Nemico
09-04-2009, 02:23 PM
Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.

I dont belive that Naruto is a senju but saying he's a decendant well thats another story its possible that he or not and all that Tobi said was that he had the fire of the senju clan in him... theres just too little information

Naruto321
09-04-2009, 02:24 PM
He has the spirit of becoming a Senju.

Bioyard
09-04-2009, 02:30 PM
"My battle with the first hokage, Senju Hashirama... was fated"

and then two pages later

"You two have been chosen by fate"

That was him confirming it. After rereading it i'm convinced that naruto is a Senju decendent. Thats pretty much him saying it.

Densetsu_no_D
09-04-2009, 04:17 PM
I'm pretty sure since it's called the "Senju Clan" there were more than 3 people to begin with. Just because Kishi puts more detail on 3 Senju's in Madara's memories doesn't mean there weren't more just like with Uchiha. So technically if a woman from the Senju clan married another ninja from another less known clan wouldn't she take his last name? therefore Minato could very well be a descendant of the Senju clan. I do agree however that it's unlikely Tsunade is Minato's mom for lots of reasons. As for what Madara stated in the last chapter to me it kind of confirmed Naruto is a Senju BUT it could also just be he and the 1st are similar in how they do things...

I agree. For right now Tobi could've meant that he shares the same will of fire or that he is a decendant of their clan. It remains to be seen. We will all have our theories and it is great to discuss. Until I read this I would've have never have thought Tsunade and Minato to be related...again a theory but an interesting one...

Kari-Chan
09-04-2009, 04:26 PM
Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.

Kishi never mentioned Minato or Kushina's family. The Senju Clan was huge, Hashirama Senju might not be directly related to Naruto, but that doesn't mean the two have no relation at all.

Well if you take into account everything that you just said than you can look at this the completely opposite way.
Since it was never confirmed, proven, or disproved then you shouldn't make threads saying that he is not a Senju.

JPSM
09-04-2009, 04:38 PM
I dont belive that Naruto is a senju but saying he's a decendant well thats another story its possible that he or not and all that Tobi said was that he had the fire of the senju clan in him... theres just too little information

I think that Tsunade will be a key character to learn this...there must be a reason to Kishimoto didn't kill Tsunade...notice that never in Naruto universe, a character wasw in coma...when you consume all chakra you die, or if get near it, you will need to stay in bed for a few days...this was what we already saw...so this could mean that Tsunade has at least a last role to fullfill...right now Kishimoto thrown to us this almost confirmation that Naruto is a Senju descendent...and then Tsunade will came to clear things up...possibly other elder members like the advisors, the older Hyuuga's (cause I believe that they know a lot of Konoha history probably more than the majority of everyone thinks they know)...my guess is that for now this truth will be kept on hold, until the end of Sasuke Vs Raikage...then we will have that conversation between Naruto and Sakura, and probably when this conversation happens things will start beeing cleared up....

ZackAttack
09-04-2009, 05:22 PM
edit mistake

SuperChoji
09-04-2009, 05:38 PM
Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.


FINALLY!!

iv been trying to think of the right words to explain that but i just for the life of me couldn't think straight today.. but you said what i was thinking perfectly.. (id give you rep but i really dont have much anymore because iv been fighting over this senju crap and people dont like to hear the truth apparently)

saying that naruto has the "fire of the senju" is just like the 3rd saying that everybody in the leaf village has the "will of fire" and that has no blood tie what so ever.. so just because madara referred to a specific clan doesn't mean that he is part of it.. it just emplies that madara saw distinctive characteristics that REMINDED him of a senju.. and basing all these THEORIES on one dam manga seems REALLY retarted in my opinion.. so why dont we all just wait for the next 3 or 4 mangas to confirm instead of fantasizing how you want these things to play out..

and at this rate, theres no point to putting this in a spoiler because everybody already knows.. and for the people who dont.. they just would have clicked on it anyways so why bother?

Phenom
09-04-2009, 07:27 PM
He is a Senju. The world of hatred all started because of a hatred one brother had for the other. These brothers descendants were the Uchiha and the Senju. That means that all descendants of these clans are relatives, so therefore they are "brothers" and "sisters". This means that Hashirama, or whoever Madara fought, was Madara's "brother" (I believe they'd actually be cousins). The fought and Madara lost, just like the older brother before him lost in who got their father's opinion.

Now, it is Sasuke's turn. He will fight Naruto and he will lose as did his ancestors before him. The only thing that will be different is that Naruto will somehow end this chain of hatred either after or during the fight.

You could also say that Madara fought a Senju twice because he fought Minato using the fox, assuming that Minato was the one of Naruto's parents with a Senju heritage.

This is all just my opinion, and you could be right, but I don't think it is likely.

3littlepigs
09-04-2009, 09:49 PM
To me Madara's statement confirmed Naruto's a Senju basically because why would Naruto share part of that curse and be destined to fight against an Uchiha if he's not a Senju? true it could just be he's similar to the 1st on other things like how he acts etc...but the other reason I have for believing that he is, is something Kakashi mentioned in Part I at the end of Naruto's and Sasuke's fight. He mentioned to Pakkun how as long as they were both alive the cycle that Madara and the 1st started would never end. Now why would Kakashi mention that randomly? I'm thinking he knew Minato was a Senju descendant therefore Naruto's as well, saying that Minato's last name was Namikaze or Kushina's last name was Uzumaki is irrelevant since a clan is composed of lots of people, a woman from the Senju clan could've married someone whose last name was Namikaze and she coud've taken his last name...it's not impossible but it's a theory and like you said we'll have to wait until Kishi confirms it.

There are so many other threads about this... I don't know why I keep replying the same thing...:|

ZackAttack
09-04-2009, 10:53 PM
Chapter 291 page 12 shows that yamato is the only one that can control naruto because of the 1st hokages necklace. If he was a part of the senju clan he would share some of the same blood line and he wouldn't need a necklace to be controlled by yamato.

Chapter 438 page 3 the fox takes off the 1sts necklace to make sure he cant be controlled then he proceeds to crush it.

Naruto321
09-04-2009, 11:16 PM
So that's why he crushed it.

Phariah824
09-05-2009, 12:03 AM
well as i see it Naruto can possibly be related as we don't know the full family tree

But Madara states he see the Senju will of fire in Naruto and u see the image of the 1st as Madara look at him. same as when Naruto met Tsunade and convinced her to come back and she saw her brother and lovers images. same as when Naruto came back from sage training to save the leaf village and fight Pain and the toad's seen the images of Jiraiya and Minato. (we know he isn't related to Jiraiya, and Minato's last name isn't that of Tsunade or her fiance's so i can't see a connection there either. the only way as a long shot would be if Minato was from a side branch of the Senju clan as the Hyuga's have the main family clan and the branch families)(also he is said to be the inheritor of Jiraiya's will of fire and path yet he isn't related to him)

i think its more so that Naruto carries with him the same beliefs/fighting spirit as the Senju had, that same spirit is the strength of the leaf village.
as Old Man 3rd always preached.That is the something that makes people listen to Naruto and changes people that Naruto crosses paths with at times. his true heart.

Minato wasn't chosen as a hokage because he was Senju , he was chosen because Orochimaru was at the time being seen as a dark and power hungry man. if Orochimaru wasn't he would have been chosen as Hokage as he was being groomed for that by the 3rd. Minato displayed the "Senju's spirit " which ultimately was the final deciding factor.(along with Oro being a twisted puppy)

so it's maybe possible for Naruto to be Senju... a long shot , but his real link is his spirit and beliefs . which are true to the Senju's that all.

byakuganmaster3695
03-08-2010, 01:11 PM
Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.


it is still possible that he is a senju cuz tsunade didnt have to have kids to make naruto a senju........also the names could be changed quickly because all u need is a daughter that marries a guy with a different last name and there u go the last name is already changed........so the point being he could be a senju

Parak111
03-08-2010, 01:41 PM
I agree. I don't think that Naruto has an actual connection with the Senju. Madara just mentioned, that he resembles them in spirit or something, but he didn't actually say that Naruto is a direct Senju.

Ockinga
03-08-2010, 01:45 PM
Even though Iruka's last name is Umino, I always thought he looked like a senju.

Cobrinha
03-08-2010, 01:57 PM
Naruto isn't a Senju. There's just no way that he is, because like I said in another thread, there's allmost no way that Tsunade is Minatos mother, and we don't know any other female ninja from Senju clan that can be his mother, and I can't think of any other way that Minato could be related to the Senju clan. And if he's not related, that means that Naruto isn't from Senju clan, too.

So according to you there was only Tsunade was the only other Senju besides Hashirama and his brother? We all know how big the Uchiha clan was, well since the Senju fought against them I think it's safe to assume the Senju had a large amount of people in their clan as well. Tsunade doesn't have to be Naruto's grandmother for him to be a decendent of the Senju. Madara isn't Sasuke's great grand father or anything, but Sasuke is still an Uchiha.

Blood lines thin, and sur-names change. If Hashirama were everyone's grand father then the whole clan would be reproducing with their siblings....gross. Remember they were a clan, not a family of five; I mean, I'm from Baltimore but that doesn't make the old lady down the street my grand mother.

Sharingan Shinobi
03-08-2010, 03:22 PM
We have no information about his mother so it could be true.

*Talim of the moonlight*
03-08-2010, 03:36 PM
Okay like...im confused `@x)`:|

Ur Mom
03-09-2010, 04:53 AM
Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.
Yes, EVERYBODY knows that, it's just that Madara sees the HOKAGES in him....sort of

Hidden Ninja45
03-10-2010, 03:48 PM
Wouldn't he be half Senju then. If his father is from the village, but his mother is from some other villiage, he should be at least half Senju.

Hozuki Suigetsu
03-11-2010, 04:28 PM
The first three Hokages were Senju. Why would the Fourth not be Senju?

Wing Zero
03-11-2010, 06:10 PM
The fact is - WE DON'T KNOW. We know nothing of either Naruto's Father or Mother's blood line.

The Senju clan was HUGE. It was the strongest clan (rivaled only by the Uchia) in the world, and part of that was probably due to numbers. I've always been of the theory that the Senju broke into smaller tribes when they built Konoha. If you study clans or tribes - usually they break off into smaller tribes when they reach a certain size, but maintain some sort of "Tribal Confederation."