the three sannin v.s 3 akatsuki

[the_ninetailed_kid]

who would win jirya, tsundae and orochimaru or
sasori, deidara and kazuku?
:mrgreen:

[goujin]

sennin

[the_ninetailed_kid]

sorry i can't spell lol :(

[The 8th Hokage]

great battle...I think the sennin could pull this one out...Not gonna be easy though.

[TheBlackChidori]

That's actually a tough one...

If it werent for Sasori, it'd be an easy victory cause of Jiraiya. But this one will turn into some good debates...

I say the Sannin because of Oro and Jiraiya's abilities. But Im waiting to jump into the debate.

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

Well, it depends, are summons banned? Such as Ma and Pa, boss toad summoning, king snake summoning.

If summons aren't banned, than the Sannin wins. The boss toads could take the Akatsuki along with Orochimaru using Reanimation jutsu, Tsunade could also heal any of the sannin that get hit or killed.

If summons are banned, the Akatsuki win. Sasori's Iron sand can poison them with one hit. With no antidote, their all screwed. Deidara could bomb from above while Iron sand covers him. Kakuzu can then use his elements to combine attacks and take out most sannins.

[Kisame]

I'd say Akatsuki wins.

Without knowledge they'd have no way of countering Deidara's C4, C4 won't be able to kill Sasori and since their on the same team Deidara can tell Kakuzu the weakness, so he uses his lightning mask to attack himself and negate it. With that they should be dead, if any survive, the 3 can gang up on them.

[Kuromaki]

I'd say Akatsuki wins.

Without knowledge they'd have no way of countering Deidara's C4, C4 won't be able to kill Sasori and since their on the same team Deidara can tell Kakuzu the weakness, so he uses his lightning mask to attack himself and negate it. With that they should be dead, if any survive, the 3 can gang up on them.
I agree.

[Hidden Ninja45]

I don't know. It would be an awesome fight.

I'm thinking that Deidara's C4 would give the Akatsuki a big advantage. And Sasori can't be underestimated. Jiriya is probably the strongest of the sennin. It would kind of depend on how powerful Orochimaru is. Whether it's before or after he left the village. And how well Tsunade can use her healing abilites during the fight. If there gets to be too much blood, she might start freaking out.

[MayuriSenpai]

The Akatsuki

[Itachi-Cloud-18]

The akatsuki.

[Lady Tsunade]

The Sannin!!!!Jiraiya can easily burn away any puppets,explosive clay,or element creatures,he could trap any of the Akatsuki in that toad stomach jutsu,then light it on fire from the outsidel.Tsunade would Pwn the Iron Sand like Sakura did,and she could destroy any and all the puppets with her fists(like Sakura did)she could also heal any teammates that get injured.She could also swing Kakuzu around using his threads in his body lol Orochimaru would PWN all if he used all of his snake jutsus on the three akatsuki,he could also poison deidara or Kakuzu if he got close to them.And if the three Sannin used their summonings,The Akatsuki would be PWNED!!!Seriously I know theyre the Akatsuki,but the Sannin are lyk Ledgendary ninja,they PWN all!!! Especially if they fight together !!!!

[mangagirl]

the sannin!! they are very strong!!!

[mangagirl]

and i agree with killer

[TheBlackChidori]

I'd say Akatsuki wins.

Without knowledge they'd have no way of countering Deidara's C4, C4 won't be able to kill Sasori and since their on the same team Deidara can tell Kakuzu the weakness, so he uses his lightning mask to attack himself and negate it. With that they should be dead, if any survive, the 3 can gang up on them.

Orochimaru could block C4 the same way that Sasuke did.

As for the poison, Tsunade is the top medical ninja in the world. Im sure she could come up with an antidote, Chiyo herself said so.

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

She may be able to come up with a antidote, but she can't do it that quick. Assuming she doesn't know anything about the Akatsuki before hand.

[Kisame]

Orochimaru could block C4 the same way that Sasuke did.

As for the poison, Tsunade is the top medical ninja in the world. Im sure she could come up with an antidote, Chiyo herself said so.


I remember Sasuke used Chidori to counter C4, when has Orochimaru shown a Raiton? Plus, even if he has one he'll need to know that's C4's weakness, which he doesn't.

She needs prep to come up with one which she doesn't have. Also Tsunade wouldn't be able to survive C4.

[TheBlackChidori]

I remember Sasuke used Chidori to counter C4, when has Orochimaru shown a Raiton? Plus, even if he has one he'll need to know that's C4's weakness, which he doesn't.

She needs prep to come up with one which she doesn't have. Also Tsunade wouldn't be able to survive C4.

The poison doesnt kill you right away.

He used Manda to block C4, didn't he?

Someone brought up an earlier point. Jiraiya's Toad Stomach Jutsu....no one would be able to escape that, with the exception of Itachi. He pops that off right away, there's no hope.

[Fan of Minato]

I would go with the Sanin, they are Kage level ninja, and they have a huge variety of jutsus.

[Kisame]

The poison doesnt kill you right away.

He used Manda to block C4, didn't he?

Someone brought up an earlier point. Jiraiya's Toad Stomach Jutsu....no one would be able to escape that, with the exception of Itachi. He pops that off right away, there's no hope.

The poison would still weaken you.

Deidara can go to the air as well as Sasori with Iron Sand, Deidara can make a bird for Kakuzu to counter the frog stomach,

You're confusing C4 with C0, C4 is the one that if you breathe it you die, Sasuke only survived because of his element, the others don't have Raiton.

[TheBlackChidori]

Oh yeah...C4 was the airborne poison...

Crap, I fail. That mistake DQ's me from this debate.

[Lady Tsunade]

and i agree with killeryaaaaaaaaaaaaaay thnks!!!!!!!:)

[Life AKA Death]

the sanin

[ByakuganAlex]

orochimaru solos

[Kisame]

orochimaru solos


No, how can Orochimaru survive C4, Iron Sand, and Kakauzu's elemental combos, plus they they would outnumber him.

[Kuromaki]

orochimaru solos
Kisame beat me to it.

[sasukeuchiha ofthehawk]

i think sannin would win because they all can summon and they have a very special ability like jariya in kurmit mode and oro in his acuall snake form so if they were beat they could use those.




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plus they rule!

[Kuromaki]

i think sannin would win because they all can summon and they have a very special ability like jariya in kurmit mode and oro in his acuall snake form so if they were beat they could use those.




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plus they rule!
-_-" Okay, how would the Sannin survive C4?

[The 8th Hokage]

The Sannins have summons that could handle them. tsunade would def play a big role in this fight with her healing and everything and with that slug thing that she summons...forgot what its called.

[Miles Edgeworth]

I might've said Sannin, but Kisame convinced me that the Akatsuki members win. I mean, the only one with a chance is Jiraiya, but he's pretty uber......

[the ninja in the Darkness]

tha sannin

[Kuromaki]

The Sannins have summons that could handle them. tsunade would def play a big role in this fight with her healing and everything and with that slug thing that she summons...forgot what its called.
Sasori would be able to take them on with 100 poisonous Puppets and Iron Sand.

[the ninja in the Darkness]

the sannin would easyly win

[Kuromaki]

the sannin would easyly win
Easily? Ok, ok. How would they survive C4? Or Iron Sand?

[Miles Edgeworth]

What does "easyly" mean?

[Kuromaki]

What does "easyly" mean?
Idk o.o

[Miles Edgeworth]

I better look at websters dictionary.

[The 8th Hokage]

Sasori would be able to take them on with 100 poisonous Puppets and Iron Sand.

sakura and chyo i believe her name is beat that.

[Kuromaki]

sakura and chyo i believe her name is beat that.
So...? Chiyo had 10 legendary Puppets and Sakura with her strength to counter them. And Sasori wasn't even trying that hard in the battle. He also let himself die.

[The 8th Hokage]

So...? Chiyo had 10 legendary Puppets and Sakura with her strength to counter them. And Sasori wasn't even trying that hard in the battle. He also let himself die.

he wasn't trying? he took out 100 puppets how was he not trying?

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Akatsuki.

[Kuromaki]

he wasn't trying? he took out 100 puppets how was he not trying?
He still had some scrolls left.... Plus he could've killed Sakura and Chiyo if he wanted to. He just didn't.

Also, Deidei and Kakuzu aren't just gonna sit there either.

[The 8th Hokage]

yeah you right I believe oro could take out sasori. and jiriya would beat kakuza and deidara could take out tsunade in my opinion but its 2 on 1 from there

[Kuromaki]

yeah you right I believe oro could take out sasori. and jiriya would beat kakuza and deidara could take out tsunade in my opinion but its 2 on 1 from there
Deidei can use C4 if he has to....

[saskue24]

sannin most of the akatsuki have died from the sannins Students plus the sannin can summond creaters that can use water bullets asit slime but i do not know what manda does

[Kuromaki]

sannin most of the akatsuki have died from the sannins Students plus the sannin can summond creaters that can use water bullets asit slime but i do not know what manda does
So....?

[The 8th Hokage]

thats a good point, but i think orochimaru could survive through that. he survive through anything it seems plus when resorts to his true form. he has that gas that comes from his body.

[Kuromaki]

thats a good point, but i think orochimaru could survive through that. he survive through anything it seems plus when resorts to his true form. he has that gas that comes from his body.
I don't think so, Oro has no counters for Deidei's C4.

[The 8th Hokage]

I don't think so, Oro has no counters for Deidei's C4.

yeah he may not. just think that he could survive it...maybe.

[jesse uzumaki]

I would say sannin since orochimaru i'm sure knows how to handel sasori and diedarra jiraya can handel kakuzu with his toad combos. tsunade can handel sasori too.

[Kuromaki]

I would say sannin since orochimaru i'm sure knows how to handel sasori and diedarra jiraya can handel kakuzu with his toad combos. tsunade can handel sasori too.
Tsunade would get roflstomped by Sasori. And you're kind of underrating Deidei and Kakuzu....

[Miles Edgeworth]

The underrating of Sassi, Kaka, and Deidei REALLY bothers me (Wow those names are sad yet epic)

[Kuromaki]

The underrating of Sassi, Kaka, and Deidei REALLY bothers me (Wow those names are sad yet epic)
I think Sassy, Deidei and Kuzu sound better (lol, barely a difference) but yeah, how they're being underrated is sad here.

[Phoenix Wright]

I'd say Akatsuki wins.

Without knowledge they'd have no way of countering Deidara's C4, C4 won't be able to kill Sasori and since their on the same team Deidara can tell Kakuzu the weakness, so he uses his lightning mask to attack himself and negate it. With that they should be dead, if any survive, the 3 can gang up on them.

I was thinking that too, I was like, "Well I'm gonna say akatsuki.. Just wait so I don't get newfriend-bashed for saying akatsuki.."

Then I scrolled down and I was like "No way!" Because almost everyone said Sannin and I saw your comment and I was like "Finally!" XD

But the only things that are bad for the akatsuki are
the frog song genjutsu,
Tsunade's medical jutsu/mitotic regeneration
Orochimaru's reanimation and his immortality jutsu etc.

[Lady Tsunade]

Kuromaki how could you !!!!!!You joined the opposition (>_<)

[Lady Tsunade]

-_-" Okay, how would the Sannin survive C4?Orochimaru could Summon a big Snake to take the hit :P

[Miles Edgeworth]

Orochimaru could Summon a big Snake to take the hit :P

You're thinking of C0. If Orochimaru used a big snake against C4, he AND the snake would die. C4's the one that disperses bombs into the air that if you breathe in, you die. And none of the Sannin have shown Raiton from what I've seen, so at the least, Oro and Tsunade would die. From there, 3 on 1 against Jiraiya isn't too bad.

[Lady Tsunade]

Well couldnt they just hold theyre breathe lol

[deidara rules]

akatsuki!!!!!!!!!!!

[Miles Edgeworth]

Well couldnt they just hold theyre breathe lol

First off, it's an expanding cloud of bombs, they can't just hold their breaths. Second, they don't KNOW to hold their breaths, they'll just think "Zomg a defective bomb?" and since they don't have Sharingan, they won't see the mini bombs and will easily breathe it in and blow up from the inside out.

[Lady Tsunade]

Well then they could just do a good ol substitution lol

[Lady Tsunade]

Or they could call in an army of Sakuras.....either way seems fine with me.....

[Uchiha master]

The akatsuki would win

[YellowFlash]

I doubt they will resort to Deidara's C4 in the beginning of the match but I still give it to the Akatsuki with Sasori's Iron Sand, Kazuku's five hearts, and Deidara's C4. But if the sannin use boss summons in the beginning and if Jiraiya goes SM with Ma and Pa I'm sure they would come up with something before the C4 is used. Eh I don't know good match but I give it to Akatsuki.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Well then they could just do a good ol substitution lol

-_- It's a friggin cloud of microscopic bombs, there's no way they can just do substitution to escape, they don't even know it's there.

[Sasori12]

I say Akatsuki. Deidara attacks from the sky. Sasori's poison kills in 1 hit. Add in the 100 puppets. Kakuzu's 5 hearts and Iron Skin (Idr the name of that justsu so it might be incorrect) All these factors make Akatsuki untouchable.

[TheBlackChidori]

Jiraiya could put 2 of the 3 to sleep using the Frog Song genjutsu, and they would have a 3 on 1 against Sasori....Easy.

[TheBlackChidori]

-_- It's a friggin cloud of microscopic bombs, there's no way they can just do substitution to escape, they don't even know it's there.

Theres no telling if Jiraiya's Dome Barrier Method Formation would keep the poison out. And if he trapped Deidara in the Toad Mouth from the start, it wouldnt matter. Deidara has nothing strong enough to escape, not even C4.

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

Doesn't Deidara have a trained eye to see through Genjutsu?

[Kisame]

Jiraiya could put 2 of the 3 to sleep using the Frog Song genjutsu, and they would have a 3 on 1 against Sasori....Easy.

Frog Song requires a large amount if prep, by that time C4 would've already been unleashed. Which would have killed everyone on the Sannin's Team.

Theres no telling if Jiraiya's Dome Barrier Method Formation would keep the poison out. And if he trapped Deidara in the Toad Mouth from the start, it wouldnt matter. Deidara has nothing strong enough to escape, not even C4.


How could he trap him? Deidara can fly and he uses his birds a lot, he can keep in tha air where he can't get him. Even if it keeps it out how would he know how to use it without knowledge? He knows nothing about C4, it was a secret move Deidara planned on using on Itachi. No one but Deidara knows about it.

[TheBlackChidori]

Orochimaru has shown his ridulous reach with his "extension" abilities.

Not to mention Gamabunta's insane jumping ability. Deidara's clay birds wouldnt keep him in the air for long.

And you speak as if C4 is an instaneous move. If all 3 started on the Ground, Toad Mouth(Which is instaneous, unlike any of Deidara's art) would nab him.

[Lady Tsunade]

-_- It's a friggin cloud of microscopic bombs, there's no way they can just do substitution to escape, they don't even know it's there.
Well why dont they just do the smart thing and run out of the cloud???????lol

[Kuromaki]

Doesn't Deidara have a trained eye to see through Genjutsu?
Yes he does...
Well why dont they just do the smart thing and run out of the cloud???????lol
They cannot SEE the cloud. The bombs are microscopic.

[TheBlackChidori]

When did he show this "Trained Eye that could see through Genjutsu"? I dont recall that. I call that an assumption.

[YellowFlash]

I think TBC and I could take Deidara's C4 with ease.

[Kuromaki]

When did he show this "Trained Eye that could see through Genjutsu"? I dont recall that. I call that an assumption.
I think it was shown in his fight with Sasuke...

[Kisame]

Orochimaru has shown his ridulous reach with his "extension" abilities.

Not to mention Gamabunta's insane jumping ability. Deidara's clay birds wouldnt keep him in the air for long.

And you speak as if C4 is an instaneous move. If all 3 started on the Ground, Toad Mouth(Which is instaneous, unlike any of Deidara's art) would nab him.


And Deidara could bomb Orochimaru from the air, where he wouldn't be able to use his full potential. C3 would kill him.

He doesn't need to be in the air for long, just enough time to use C4, and he could fly above Gamabunta's range, he may be big, but there's plent of air above.

Even if get caught they can get out with attacks like Iron Sand, Explosives, elementals combos that destroyed a forest. Even if they can't at the very least they can tie. If the Sannin are inside they won't have enough room to summon to counter C4 and if they're outside they won't know it's happening. Also inside Sasori could posions everyone with Iron Sand where they don't have much room to dodge.

[YellowFlash]

Sasori I see you down there, tell everyone who you think wins, the Sannin or the Akatsuki, SHARE YOUR WONDEROUS KNOWLEDGE WITH THE WORLD. :)

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

When did he show this "Trained Eye that could see through Genjutsu"? I dont recall that. I call that an assumption.

In his fight with Sasuke, he had been training his eye to see through Itachi's genjutsu but when Itachi died he used it on the next best thing which was Sasuke. I think he broke through one of sasuke's genjutsu and surprised sasuke.

Why couldn't you give me a question like that for your trivia game TBC? lol

Sup Yellow? lol

[Lady Tsunade]

Yes he does...

They cannot SEE the cloud. The bombs are microscopic.
ooooooo i get the jutsu now!!!!!!!!

[Kuromaki]

ooooooo i get the jutsu now!!!!!!!!
Okay.... C4 is mostly inescapable unless you can use Lightning Style or you don't breathe at all.

[TheBlackChidori]

In his fight with Sasuke, he had been training his eye to see through Itachi's genjutsu but when Itachi died he used it on the next best thing which was Sasuke. I think he broke through one of sasuke's genjutsu and surprised sasuke.

Sup Yellow? lol

Sure a visual genjutsu. But being as the Frog Song attacks the hearing, then it doesnt make a difference.

[Lady Tsunade]

Okay.... C4 is mostly inescapable unless you can use Lightning Style or you don't breathe at all.
So if they hold their breathe they are safe????

[Kisame]

Sure a visual genjutsu. But being as the Frog Song attacks the hearing, then it doesnt make a difference.

Frog Song takes a large amount of time to do, C4 could be done a lot faster.

[Kisame]

So if they hold their breathe they are safe????


The thing is they don't know what C4 does, so they can't do that since they won't know they'd die from breathing.

[Miles Edgeworth]

I don't think the Sannin could possibly hold their breaths that long with no knowledge whatsoever.

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

Sure a visual genjutsu. But being as the Frog Song attacks the hearing, then it doesnt make a difference.

I thought we were talking about Visual genjutsu...

<.<

>.>

Nevermind then, my argument is void.

[TheBlackChidori]

And Deidara could bomb Orochimaru from the air, where he wouldn't be able to use his full potential. C3 would kill him.

He doesn't need to be in the air for long, just enough time to use C4, and he could fly above Gamabunta's range, he may be big, but there's plent of air above.

Even if get caught they can get out with attacks like Iron Sand, Explosives, elementals combos that destroyed a forest. Even if they can't at the very least they can tie. If the Sannin are inside they won't have enough room to summon to counter C4 and if they're outside they won't know it's happening. Also inside Sasori could posions everyone with Iron Sand where they don't have much room to dodge.


Orochimaru can use the Reanimation Jutsu. He could easily summon someone with the ability to fly, as well as a Lightning User(or even a few of them.)

For that matter, C4 attacks the human nervous system. So there's no telling if it would even have an effect on Snakes like Hydra.

And as easily as Chiyo and Sakura were knocking out puppets, I think it wouldn't be a problem for the Sannin to take care of Sasori. Dont act like the Sannin are stupid. Orochimaru is a former Akatsuki, and would know about Sasori's abilities, and most of Deidara's as well. He would now how all 3 of them fight, and the Sannin would have a strategy ready. Tsunade could have an antidote made in advance even.

And Jiraiya could even use Toad Mouth Jutsu to protect himself, Tsunade, and Oro from the C4. There is no way out, so obviously there's no way in either. That way, the C4 kills Sasori, Deidara, and Kakuzu FOR them.

[Kuromaki]

So if they hold their breathe they are safe????
What Kisame and rocklee said.

[Lady Tsunade]

But surely they must know that If Deidara said "C4 Jutsu"(or something like that) and nothing happened ,that the jutsus effect is taking place whilst not being visible!!!?

[Kuromaki]

But surely they must know that If Deidara said "C4 Jutsu"(or something like that) and nothing happened ,that the jutsus effect is taking place whilst not being visible!!!?
It's not like they'd know what the Jutsu itself does.

[Rasaga]

Orochimaru can use the Reanimation Jutsu. He could easily summon someone with the ability to fly, as well as a Lightning User(or even a few of them.)

For that matter, C4 attacks the human nervous system. So there's no telling if it would even have an effect on Snakes like Hydra.

And as easily as Chiyo and Sakura were knocking out puppets, I think it wouldn't be a problem for the Sannin to take care of Sasori. Dont act like the Sannin are stupid. Orochimaru is a former Akatsuki, and would know about Sasori's abilities, and most of Deidara's as well. He would now how all 3 of them fight, and the Sannin would have a strategy ready. Tsunade could have an antidote made in advance even.

And Jiraiya could even use Toad Mouth Jutsu to protect himself, Tsunade, and Oro from the C4. There is no way out, so obviously there's no way in either. That way, the C4 kills Sasori, Deidara, and Kakuzu FOR them.

I agree. The fact that Orochimaru was once Akatsuki is advantage. The Sannin would probably win. It would be one hell of a battle!

[Miles Edgeworth]

Orochimaru can use the Reanimation Jutsu. He could easily summon someone with the ability to fly, as well as a Lightning User(or even a few of them.)

For that matter, C4 attacks the human nervous system. So there's no telling if it would even have an effect on Snakes like Hydra.

And as easily as Chiyo and Sakura were knocking out puppets, I think it wouldn't be a problem for the Sannin to take care of Sasori. Dont act like the Sannin are stupid. Orochimaru is a former Akatsuki, and would know about Sasori's abilities, and most of Deidara's as well. He would now how all 3 of them fight, and the Sannin would have a strategy ready. Tsunade could have an antidote made in advance even.

And Jiraiya could even use Toad Mouth Jutsu to protect himself, Tsunade, and Oro from the C4. There is no way out, so obviously there's no way in either. That way, the C4 kills Sasori, Deidara, and Kakuzu FOR them.

Orochimaru needs bodies beforehand to use Reanimation, he can't pull one out of nowhere.

Actually, C4 goes into the bloodstream and explodes from there, it showed animals exploding from it.

Sasori also easily knows just as much about Orochimaru as Oro does of him, plus it was said by Deidara that Sasori's true body was a "new model" so how would Oro know of it? Also, Deidara wasn't even around until after Orochimaru left, Sasori took Deidara in as his partner AFTER. Also, Sakura needed a lot of prep time and a full examination of a victim for an antidote.

Jiraiya's Toad Mouth takes prep such as hand signs and waiting for the toad to arrive. Kakuzu's elements or Sasori's Iron Sand could easily hit him during that time. Plus, Itachi was distracted beating up Sasuke, which is why Jiraiya summoned it so easily.

Btw, Sasori can't die from C4, he doesn't breathe. Also, Kakuzu separates his hearts, so they won't all die from one C4 even if one heart did get caught.

[Kisame]

Orochimaru can use the Reanimation Jutsu. He could easily summon someone with the ability to fly, as well as a Lightning User(or even a few of them.)

For that matter, C4 attacks the human nervous system. So there's no telling if it would even have an effect on Snakes like Hydra.

And as easily as Chiyo and Sakura were knocking out puppets, I think it wouldn't be a problem for the Sannin to take care of Sasori. Dont act like the Sannin are stupid. Orochimaru is a former Akatsuki, and would know about Sasori's abilities, and most of Deidara's as well. He would now how all 3 of them fight, and the Sannin would have a strategy ready. Tsunade could have an antidote made in advance even.

And Jiraiya could even use Toad Mouth Jutsu to protect himself, Tsunade, and Oro from the C4. There is no way out, so obviously there's no way in either. That way, the C4 kills Sasori, Deidara, and Kakuzu FOR them.


No, Reanimation jutsu takes prep, he needs two bodies, so that isn't happening. It could only happen if he's given prep. Also how does he figure out C4's weakness.

It worked on other animals, as long as you can breathe and live you die, even if you're a snake or whatever.

They don't know about his abilities, Orochimaru admitted he never saw True Form Sasori, at the best he only saw what Hiruko did He doesn't know about the 100 puppets or Iron Sand. Deidara is a fairly new member and he even said C4 was a secret saved for Itachi, Orochimaru doesn't know. They don't know about the poison though, if they're careless ang get even one scratch it can be fatal. The thing is this match has no prep time before hand. No reanimation, no antidote or anything that requires before match prep.

They have no knowledge of C4, they don't know how to protect themselves. They don't know what it does, and even if C4 was unleashed it doesn't affect Sasori, Kakuzu has raiton, and Deidara can escape. If they do stay in there Deidara use C3 and kills them inside.

[Lady Tsunade]

Also,Even if the bombs got inside Tsunade,If she used Mitotic Regeneration,she could heal the wounds that they make before they even blow up!!!As she said when fighting Orochimaru "While this jutsu is active,no matter how much damage I take,no matter how great,this jutsu will heal any and all wounds" Orochimaru: "I'm impressed,you're practicly immortal with this jutsu"

[Kisame]

Also,Even if the bombs got inside Tsunade,If she used Mitotic Regeneration,she could heal the wounds that they make before they even blow up!!!As she said when fighting Orochimaru "While this jutsu is active,no matter how much damage I take,no matter how great,this jutsu will heal any and all wounds" Orochimaru: "I'm impressed,you're practicly immortal with this jutsu"


No, she can't heal from C4, have you actually seen C4? It disintegrates you and you die and even if Tsunade survive the other 3 members can just gang up on her.

[Kuromaki]

Also,Even if the bombs got inside Tsunade,If she used Mitotic Regeneration,she could heal the wounds that they make before they even blow up!!!As she said when fighting Orochimaru "While this jutsu is active,no matter how much damage I take,no matter how great,this jutsu will heal any and all wounds" Orochimaru: "I'm impressed,you're practicly immortal with this jutsu"
Well, as long as she breathes, she will keep taking in bombs and she'll eventually fully blow up. And she wouldn't be able to take on 3 Akatsuki members even if she survived.

[Lady Tsunade]

Of course,this isnt an exact quote,there was other stuff said too.Like how she uses the jutsu by storing chakra in the cells behind her brain,and how it shortens her lifespan..

[Kuromaki]

Of course,this isnt an exact quote,there was other stuff said too.Like how she uses the jutsu by storing chakra in the cells behind her brain,and how it shortens her lifespan..
She'll just disintegrate...

[Miles Edgeworth]

Also,Even if the bombs got inside Tsunade,If she used Mitotic Regeneration,she could heal the wounds that they make before they even blow up!!!As she said when fighting Orochimaru "While this jutsu is active,no matter how much damage I take,no matter how great,this jutsu will heal any and all wounds" Orochimaru: "I'm impressed,you're practicly immortal with this jutsu"

She doesn't even know what the jutsu does, and she never starts with Mitotic Regeneration because it shortens her life span. Also, C4 could easily blow up Tsunade before she even finishes PREPARING it.

Last, I don't think Tsunade will recover if she's been blown to pieces, she's not Wolverine.

[Lady Tsunade]

Well I'm all outta ideas,however I still dont think Akatsuki could win.That toad stomach jutsu thing Jiraiya uses could save the day though ,It cant be broken,apart from by Amaterasu.

[Lady Tsunade]

I guess....but she definitly could recover from it!!!The cell regeneration increases vastly,the wound would be healed too quickly for Tsunade to be blown up.

[Kuromaki]

I guess....but she definitly could recover from it!!!The cell regeneration increases vastly,the wound would be healed too quickly for Tsunade to be blown up.
I doubt she can even start to prepare Mitotic Regeneration after she's been blown up to pieces.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Well I'm all outta ideas,however I still dont think Akatsuki could win.That toad stomach jutsu thing Jiraiya uses could save the day though ,It cant be broken,apart from by Amaterasu.

Jiraiya's toad mouth jutsu won't work, Itachi was beating the crap out of Sasuke on the other side of the hall and Kisame was just watching and they still survived.

It takes too much prep time, even if he DOES make it, Sasori and Kakuzu could easily kill him by the time the toad arrives. It takes too much prep and is just a bad move.

[Kisame]

Well I'm all outta ideas,however I still dont think Akatsuki could win.That toad stomach jutsu thing Jiraiya uses could save the day though ,It cant be broken,apart from by Amaterasu.

It can, what your using is a no limits fallacy, just because Amaterasu is the only thin the beat it in the manga doesn't mean it's the only thing. Sasori's iron Sand, Deidara's bombs, and Kakuzu's elemtal combos can do it.


I guess....but she definitly could recover from it!!!The cell regeneration increases vastly,the wound would be healed too quickly for Tsunade to be blown up.

The C4 would still be in the air, so she wouldn't be able to heal herself, also even if she somehow manages to heal she'll be useless from wasting too much chakra.

[Lady Tsunade]

too much prep??but Jiraiya did it quickly!!Also ,Jiraiya is a lot stronger in Shippuden!!Pain himself even said,if u'd known my moves you could have won , Jiraiya could have beaten Pain!!!!Since he has two other extremely powerful ninja helping him fight Kakuzu,Deidara and Sasori,I really doubt he could lose :S

[Kisame]

too much prep??but Jiraiya did it quickly!!Also ,Jiraiya is a lot stronger in Shippuden!!Pain himself even said,if u'd known my moves you could have won , Jiraiya could have beaten Pain!!!!Since he has two other extremely powerful ninja helping him fight Kakuzu,Deidara and Sasori,I really doubt he could lose :S


He could have won because he could have killed Nagato, Jiraiya can't beat Pain, he needs to defeat the source to do it. He's not stronger, when ninjas become old they usually weaken instead of becoming stronger.

[Lady Tsunade]

It can, what your using is a no limits fallacy, just because Amaterasu is the only thin the beat it in the manga doesn't mean it's the only thing. Sasori's iron Sand, Deidara's bombs, and Kakuzu's elemtal combos can do it.




The C4 would still be in the air, so she wouldn't be able to heal herself, also even if she somehow manages to heal she'll be useless from wasting too much chakra.
Well technicly we havent actually seen those moves destroy the toad stomach,so we cant be sure...also I'm just talking about Tsunade on her own here!!!She has two others with her!!!!!!lol I dont know all that much about Jiraiya or Orochimarus abilities,or at least I dont know all the limits of their jutsu like do with Tsunade,I'm sure they have abilities to block this technique!!!!I still think Jiraiya could survive this technique!!As could Tsunade,but I agree she would be on very low Chakra!!!

[Kuromaki]

Well technicly we havent actually seen those moves destroy the toad stomach,so we cant be sure...also I'm just talking about Tsunade on her own here!!!She has two others with her!!!!!!lol I dont know all that much about Jiraiya or Orochimarus abilities,or at least I dont know all the limits of their jutsu like do with Tsunade,I'm sure they have abilities to block this technique!!!!I still think Jiraiya could survive this technique!!As could Tsunade,but I agree she would be on very low Chakra!!!
They haven't shown anything that could reasonably counter C4.

[Lady Tsunade]

He could have won because he could have killed Nagato, Jiraiya can't beat Pain, he needs to defeat the source to do it. He's not stronger, when ninjas become old they usually weaken instead of becoming stronger.He has a wider vararity of jutsu and knowledge of jutsu than he did in part 1,put it that way!!But physically yes,hes weaker

[Miles Edgeworth]

Well technicly we havent actually seen those moves destroy the toad stomach,so we cant be sure...also I'm just talking about Tsunade on her own here!!!She has two others with her!!!!!!lol I dont know all that much about Jiraiya or Orochimarus abilities,or at least I dont know all the limits of their jutsu like do with Tsunade,I'm sure they have abilities to block this technique!!!!I still think Jiraiya could survive this technique!!As could Tsunade,but I agree she would be on very low Chakra!!!

So basically you're making an assumption that the 3 can use some jutsu they don't have to somehow survive C4. Until you give us a jutsu that can negate the effects of C4, your point is invalid.

None of the 3 have Raiton, none of them KNOW about C4, and only Tsunade has high speed regeneration, but it's not even good enough to survive C4.

[Kisame]

Well technicly we havent actually seen those moves destroy the toad stomach,so we cant be sure...also I'm just talking about Tsunade on her own here!!!She has two others with her!!!!!!lol I dont know all that much about Jiraiya or Orochimarus abilities,or at least I dont know all the limits of their jutsu like do with Tsunade,I'm sure they have abilities to block this technique!!!!I still think Jiraiya could survive this technique!!As could Tsunade,but I agree she would be on very low Chakra!!!


Why wouldn't they? With his technique Kakuzu destroyed a forest, with his bomb Deidara could have destroyed a large part of a city and Sasori's Iron Sand would be dangerous for it.

Even if they did have moves to block it they can't save themselves because they don't have knowldge of C4, they don't know what it does.

She would be so low on chakra she'd be useless in the match.

[Lady Tsunade]

They haven't shown anything that could reasonably counter C4.
No ,but they have shown ways to block it...all of which I have previously said

[Lady Tsunade]

Why wouldn't they? With his technique Kakuzu destroyed a forest, with his bomb Deidara could have destroyed a large part of a city and Sasori's Iron Sand would be dangerous for it.

Even if they did have moves to block it they can't save themselves because they don't have knowldge of C4, they don't know what it does.

She would be so low on chakra she'd be useless in the match. Ok,ok so this C4 move seems to be troublesome for the Sannin, every time I come up with a way for the Sannin to block it,you guys seem to be able to tell me that it isnt possible....jeez its tough trying to keep up with you guys....lol

[Kisame]

No ,but they have shown ways to block it...all of which I have previously said


Even if they can block it, they don't have knowledge of it so they won't know which way to block it They won't even know about it after Deidara uses it.

[Lady Tsunade]

I see why Kuromaki doesnt like it when your up against him in a debate :cry:

[Kuromaki]

I see why Kuromaki doesnt like it when your up against him in a debate :cry:
Up against Kisame in a debate? Well.... you're doomed.

[Lady Tsunade]

I can see that!!!Though I think I'm doing reasonably well.......REASONABLY!!!!

[TheBlackChidori]

Jiraiya's toad mouth jutsu won't work, Itachi was beating the crap out of Sasuke on the other side of the hall and Kisame was just watching and they still survived.

It takes too much prep time, even if he DOES make it, Sasori and Kakuzu could easily kill him by the time the toad arrives. It takes too much prep and is just a bad move.


....There was no prep time. It was instantaneous.

[Lady Tsunade]

So basically you're making an assumption that the 3 can use some jutsu they don't have to somehow survive C4. Until you give us a jutsu that can negate the effects of C4, your point is invalid.

None of the 3 have Raiton, none of them KNOW about C4, and only Tsunade has high speed regeneration, but it's not even good enough to survive C4.
I've already given you jutsu :( Toad Stomach Jutsu and Mitotic Regeneration!!!!!!AHHHHHHH TOO MANY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!I CANT KEEP UP!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheBlackChidori]

No, Reanimation jutsu takes prep, he needs two bodies, so that isn't happening. It could only happen if he's given prep. Also how does he figure out C4's weakness.

It worked on other animals, as long as you can breathe and live you die, even if you're a snake or whatever.

They don't know about his abilities, Orochimaru admitted he never saw True Form Sasori, at the best he only saw what Hiruko did He doesn't know about the 100 puppets or Iron Sand. Deidara is a fairly new member and he even said C4 was a secret saved for Itachi, Orochimaru doesn't know. They don't know about the poison though, if they're careless ang get even one scratch it can be fatal. The thing is this match has no prep time before hand. No reanimation, no antidote or anything that requires before match prep.

They have no knowledge of C4, they don't know how to protect themselves. They don't know what it does, and even if C4 was unleashed it doesn't affect Sasori, Kakuzu has raiton, and Deidara can escape. If they do stay in there Deidara use C3 and kills them inside.


Knowing Orochimaru, and the way he lives in constant stress of being attacked, I dont doubt that he has bodies ready at all times.

Orochimaru said he didnt know Sasori's TRUE form, yes. Nobody did. But the way Sasori brags, I dont doubt that he knows about the 3rd Kazekage and the puppets(since he also brags about conquering a small nation with them). And yes, he did state that out loud. So why wouldn't Orochimaru, his former partner, know?

First you guys talk about how the Akatsuki have such a wide knowledge of eachothers Jutsu making their teamwork better, then you suddenly say they all keep their Jutsu hidden from eachother? Once again, Toad Mouth is instantanous. And he can use Ma and Pa to use the Frog Song while they're trapped, leaving the Sannin completely safe.

[Lady Tsunade]

yeh BlackChidori Stall em!!!!Ill help ya wen I think of ways to survive C4 !!!

[Kisame]

Knowing Orochimaru, and the way he lives in constant stress of being attacked, I dont doubt that he has bodies ready at all times.

Orochimaru said he didnt know Sasori's TRUE form, yes. Nobody did. But the way Sasori brags, I dont doubt that he knows about the 3rd Kazekage and the puppets(since he also brags about conquering a small nation with them). And yes, he did state that out loud. So why wouldn't Orochimaru, his former partner, know?

First you guys talk about how the Akatsuki have such a wide knowledge of eachothers Jutsu making their teamwork better, then you suddenly say they all keep their Jutsu hidden from eachother? Once again, Toad Mouth is instantanous. And he can use Ma and Pa to use the Frog Song while they're trapped, leaving the Sannin completely safe.

He needs prep time and he's never shown to keep bodies for it nearby, and this battle could happen anywhere, so Reanimation is out of this match.

There's no proof to show he told him, he probably said that because he thought they were about to die, so why nit frighten them. That and it was used for hype. Sasori is usually somewhat quiet. Orochiamru hasn't displayed knowledge of knowing.

Toad Mouth doesn't have a very large AOE, so as long as they're not close they will be fine and they could destroy the toad from the inside. Frog Song takes a lot of prep, the Akatsuki can use C4 before that. Also Deidara wnated to keep it secret to surprise Itachi in a rematch, no one knows about C4.

[Lady Tsunade]

exactly!!!!!so if he didnt want anyone to know about it,why would he use it against the Sannin in battle!!!!That would totally mess up his whole "suprising Itachi" thing!!

[Kisame]

exactly!!!!!so if he didnt want anyone to know about it,why would he use it against the Sannin in battle!!!!That would totally mess up his whole "suprising Itachi" thing!!


If you're going to fight to the dead you use whatever moves you have even if they were supposed to be secret. He used it against Sasuke.

[Lady Tsunade]

damn!!!!I was so sure Id got you that time!!!!!!!lol AHHHHHH IM GONNA BURST!!!

[TheBlackChidori]

Wait, before I continue, are summonings allowed?

[Kisame]

Wait, before I continue, are summonings allowed?


What summonings? They have different kinds.

[Lady Tsunade]

plz say yes,plz say yes,plz say yes

[Lady Tsunade]

Any and all Summonings!!!

[Kisame]

As long as it doesn't require prep I guess, although you did use summonings earlier on. Why ask now?

[Lady Tsunade]

I think he has a plan...

[Miles Edgeworth]

....There was no prep time. It was instantaneous.

Jiraiya's toad mouth jutsu won't work, Itachi was beating the crap out of Sasuke on the other side of the hall and Kisame was just watching and they still survived.


Also, I guess using hand signs, placing your hand on the ground, and waiting for the toad to arrive makes the move "instantaneous". Apparently Supersonic Iron Sand can't hit Jiraiya while he does that. You know why Jiraiya was able to use Toad Mouth? I bolded why. The 2 weren't even paying attention to friggin Jiraiya until after the jutsu activated.

[TheBlackChidori]

Well Between Manda, Gamabunta, and Katsuyu, what the hell are they going to do? Seriously? It would take a long time for any poison to take out a creature of that size. And Katsuyu's acid shot could probably hit Deidara in mid-air.

Jiraiya could also use his Transparent Escape Jutsu, since there are multiple enemies and he could easily do it without being followed. That would leave for Jiraiya able to sneak up on anyone.

Manda can block any explosions, that makes C2 useless as well as any other explosions. And Oro could use Hydra for overkill. Once again, there is no possible way C4 would take out a creature that large in a short time. MAYBE over time, but it would take a while.

Jiraiya could also use Sage Art: Goeman to take out the Iron Sand and ALL of Sasori's puppets. His wooden puppets including himself, would burn to a crisp. Even Kakuzu would fall victim to this attack since it has 3 different elements.

And how do you know that Toad Mouth doesnt have a large AOE? It got everything in the surrounding area, it could be anyone within his sight. Again, assumptions on both of us.

Orochimaru could even use Wind Breakthrough to blow away the C4 poison from him. And even if he gets hit by one of Deidara's attacks, he can use the Oral Rebirth and be just fine and unharmed. I doubt that C4 lingers.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Oh and btw, Orochimaru had his reanimation bodies PREPARED just for his fight with the 3rd. If he's walking down the street eating Klondike bars, he's not gonna conveniently have bodies with him.

[TheBlackChidori]

Also, I guess using hand signs, placing your hand on the ground, and waiting for the toad to arrive makes the move "instantaneous". Apparently Supersonic Iron Sand can't hit Jiraiya while he does that. You know why Jiraiya was able to use Toad Mouth? I bolded why. The 2 weren't even paying attention to friggin Jiraiya until after the jutsu activated.


Much faster then waiting for your hands to chew up and gurgitate enough clay to make Deidara's best attacks. =/

[Miles Edgeworth]

Well Between Manda, Gamabunta, and Katsuyu, what the hell are they going to do? Seriously? It would take a long time for any poison to take out a creature of that size. And Katsuyu's acid shot could probably hit Deidara in mid-air.

Jiraiya could also use his Transparent Escape Jutsu, since there are multiple enemies and he could easily do it without being followed. That would leave for Jiraiya able to sneak up on anyone.

Manda can block any explosions, that makes C2 useless as well as any other explosions. And Oro could use Hydra for overkill. Once again, there is no possible way C4 would take out a creature that large in a short time. MAYBE over time, but it would take a while.

Jiraiya could also use Sage Art: Goeman to take out the Iron Sand and ALL of Sasori's puppets. His wooden puppets including himself, would burn to a crisp. Even Kakuzu would fall victim to this attack since it has 3 different elements.

And how do you know that Toad Mouth doesnt have a large AOE? It got everything in the surrounding area, it could be anyone within his sight. Again, assumptions on both of us.

Orochimaru could even use Wind Breakthrough to blow away the C4 poison from him. And even if he gets hit by one of Deidara's attacks, he can use the Oral Rebirth and be just fine and unharmed. I doubt that C4 lingers.

C4 disperses through an animal's body pretty quickly, even the boss summons could be taken out by Deidara's C4 alone.

This jutsu hasn't even been shown. Plus, what's he gonna do if he DOES manage to get out of sight? Use a Rasengan? Lol I don't imagine the Akatsuki members saying "Zomg I got hit by a Rasengan, wahhhh!!!" In fact, I don't think the Akatsuki members are gonna mind.

Summoning Jutsu takes prep, Oro can't possibly summon Manda fast enough if Deidara's used C4.

The Goemon requires Ma and Pa to be summoned and Jiraiya to be in Sage Mode, the 3 could easily take Jiraiya out before he gets a chance to use it. Plus, they all have to connect their attacks together. And Jiraiya NEVER starts with Sage Mode.

Toad Mouth only covered a hallway. What a very big AoE. We can't prove it's larger.

Oral Rebirth makes Orochimaru upchuck himself. That won't help much, C4 could likely take out both Orochimaru and his clone. Heck, it could take out Oro BEFORE he upchucks himself.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Much faster then waiting for your hands to chew up and gurgitate enough clay to make Deidara's best attacks. =/

Deidara doesn't need to be the one attacking Jiraiya, and he prepares clay really quickly. Sasori prepares Iron Sand even faster. If you think Jiraiya could seriously dodge supersonic poisonous sand while using Summoning, then wow.

[Kuromaki]

:o This debate is getting intense.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Much faster then waiting for your hands to chew up and gurgitate enough clay to make Deidara's best attacks. =/

Deidara doesn't need to be the one attacking Jiraiya, and he prepares clay really quickly. Sasori prepares Iron Sand even faster. If you think Jiraiya could seriously dodge supersonic poisonous sand while using Summoning, then wow.

[TheBlackChidori]

Oh and btw, Orochimaru had his reanimation bodies PREPARED just for his fight with the 3rd. If he's walking down the street eating Klondike bars, he's not gonna conveniently have bodies with him.

I had no idea Orochimaru goes for pleasure walks. Last time I checked, the master of Paranoia never left his hideout unless he had something planned.

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

You must be out of the loop than.

XD

[TheBlackChidori]

And again. This is all done by you guessing. Youre using "Prep Time" as your only defense, and spamming Iron Sand. Yet, you make it seem like all the Akatsuki's moves are just ohemgeerightaway!!!1lololol

If Chiyo and Sakura were able to survive and not be crushed by Iron Sand(Dont even mention the poison), what makes you think that 3 people lightyears above their skill, wouldn't? Holy freakin crap.

[Vermillian]

I'd say Akatsuki wins.

Without knowledge they'd have no way of countering Deidara's C4, C4 won't be able to kill Sasori and since their on the same team Deidara can tell Kakuzu the weakness, so he uses his lightning mask to attack himself and negate it. With that they should be dead, if any survive, the 3 can gang up on them.

The Lightning Diffuses the c4 pre-explosion not most. so c4 would be bad.

[TheBlackChidori]

Also Id like to end with this. You also comment on how "Oro wouldnt have plans to get Reanimation ready". This would go for the Akatsuki as well, then.

And Deidara ADMITTED that he doesnt regularly carry C4 on him. So yeah, done.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Orochimaru needs bodies beforehand to use Reanimation, he can't pull one out of nowhere.

Actually, C4 goes into the bloodstream and explodes from there, it showed animals exploding from it.

Sasori also easily knows just as much about Orochimaru as Oro does of him, plus it was said by Deidara that Sasori's true body was a "new model" so how would Oro know of it? Also, Deidara wasn't even around until after Orochimaru left, Sasori took Deidara in as his partner AFTER. Also, Sakura needed a lot of prep time and a full examination of a victim for an antidote.

Jiraiya's Toad Mouth takes prep such as hand signs and waiting for the toad to arrive. Kakuzu's elements or Sasori's Iron Sand could easily hit him during that time. Plus, Itachi was distracted beating up Sasuke, which is why Jiraiya summoned it so easily.

Btw, Sasori can't die from C4, he doesn't breathe. Also, Kakuzu separates his hearts, so they won't all die from one C4 even if one heart did get caught.
about sasori knowing oros jutsu he has mastered TONs of new jutsu after he left the akatski and whos says diedara would have enough time to use c4 oro is quik and jiryia can summon a toad or something to make sure he doesnt have enought time to use C4 and that is only advantage akuaski have i mean plus why would they be stupid enouh to take on 3 of the strongest ninja ever but it would be a loong fight and diedara has shown he cant perservere through long fights that well plus tsunade be knocking out those puppets like nothing summon tatsyu or jirya summon boss toad and burn kaz PLUS even itachi and kisame were afraid to take on jiryia i mean itachi is the stronger outta the three members of the aka9kuski u chose and oro isnt a push over with no justsu he took on jiryia (in weak state though) and tsunade tsunade one punch one diedara if he gets shot outta the sky and he is a gonner so nice point about the c4 but i mean sannin wouldnt be beaten so easily

[J-Sun Tasogare]

I had no idea Orochimaru goes for pleasure walks. Last time I checked, the master of Paranoia never left his hideout unless he had something planned.
rofl thtd funny man

[Miles Edgeworth]

And again. This is all done by you guessing. Youre using "Prep Time" as your only defense, and spamming Iron Sand. Yet, you make it seem like all the Akatsuki's moves are just ohemgeerightaway!!!1lololol

If Chiyo and Sakura were able to survive and not be crushed by Iron Sand(Dont even mention the poison), what makes you think that 3 people lightyears above their skill, wouldn't? Holy freakin crap.

And your argument's all about Jiraiya's attacks being instant and somehow ohemgeerightaway!1!1!! hitting the Akatsuki members. And yes, read the friggin manga. Jiraiya had more than enough time to prepare Toad Mouth. And by the way, Kakuzu could also use elements to take out Jiraiya while he does that.

I will mention the poison. They used the antidotes NUMEROUS times to survive, and then Sasori ended up letting himself die. And then Deidara and Kakuzu are teamed up with Sasori. The only one with a CHANCE of beating these guys is Jiraiya, and he can't possibly 3 on 1 them. You're underrating Sasori quite a lot, and don't say I underrate Jiraiya, because I think that besides characters like Madara and the unrevealed Kages, Jiraiya is top of the tier list. People think I OVERRATE jiraiya, so if you think I'm underrating him, you're mistaken.

Lightyears more than Sakura? Maybe. But you think Tsunade has lightyears more than CHIYO? I thought Chiyo was older than Tsunade. So technically Chiyo had "lightyears" more experience than Tsunade by what you're saying.

Also Id like to end with this. You also comment on how "Oro wouldnt have plans to get Reanimation ready". This would go for the Akatsuki as well, then.

And Deidara ADMITTED that he doesnt regularly carry C4 on him. So yeah, done.

Out of Orochimaru's many battles, he only had Reanimation in one. Deidara only had 2 "major" battles, and he didn't use C4 in the first because it would've killed Gaara.

And where was this stated? I'm gonna go read my manga and see if what you're saying is true. I'd rather you just tell me the chapter and page so I don't waste more valuable time, but I don't recall Deidara saying that.

[Vermillian]

And your argument's all about Jiraiya's attacks being instant and somehow ohemgeerightaway!1!1!! hitting the Akatsuki members. And yes, read the friggin manga. Jiraiya had more than enough time to prepare Toad Mouth. And by the way, Kakuzu could also use elements to take out Jiraiya while he does that.

I will mention the poison. They used the antidotes NUMEROUS times to survive, and then Sasori ended up letting himself die. And then Deidara and Kakuzu are teamed up with Sasori. The only one with a CHANCE of beating these guys is Jiraiya, and he can't possibly 3 on 1 them. You're underrating Sasori quite a lot, and don't say I underrate Jiraiya, because I think that besides characters like Madara and the unrevealed Kages, Jiraiya is top of the tier list. People think I OVERRATE jiraiya, so if you think I'm underrating him, you're mistaken.

Lightyears more than Sakura? Maybe. But you think Tsunade has lightyears more than CHIYO? I thought Chiyo was older than Tsunade. So technically Chiyo had "lightyears" more experience than Tsunade by what you're saying.



Out of Orochimaru's many battles, he only had Reanimation in one. Deidara only had 2 "major" battles, and he didn't use C4 in the first because it would've killed Gaara.

And where was this stated? I'm gonna go read my manga and see if what you're saying is true. I'd rather you just tell me the chapter and page so I don't waste more valuable time, but I don't recall Deidara saying that.

He didn't use c4 because he didn't have it on him against gaara.
please read chapter 247 page 13-14 where he says he brought # 18 which is c3 meaning he does not normally carry c3 on him either.

Also read chapter 249 page 10 where he says sasori was right about him not being prepared.

So when he was preparing for the fight Deidara Was still unprepared having already gone out of his norm and used c3 as a preparation.

[Miles Edgeworth]

He didn't use c4 because he didn't have it on him against gaara.
please read chapter 247 page 13-14 where he says he brought # 18 which is c3 meaning he does not normally carry c3 on him either.

Also read chapter 249 page 10 where he says sasori was right about him not being prepared.

So when he was preparing for the fight Deidara Was still unprepared having already gone out of his norm and used c3 as a preparation.

Hm, well I guess I can say I can't use C3 in this argument.

HOWEVER, only C3 was mentioned. Also, C3 is a special bomb he carries on his person, Deidara makes C4 by eating his regular clay.

Well this gives a bit of a handicap, but Deidara can still use C4.

[Lady Tsunade]

Assuming Deidara was prepared for this match and had a C4 on him,we would also have to assume Orochimaru would have his reanimation bodies with him.And Tsunade would have prepared antidotes beforehand.Just to make the match fair.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

im sure among the three sanin one of em know a lighting style jutsu somewhere im cmon oro has master TONS of jutsu u think he doesnt know one a single one yet?

[Lady Tsunade]

True,although we cant know for sure since we havent seen em use any lightning style.But yes chances are they do know lightning style moves

[sasukeuchiha ofthehawk]

easy but it would be hard

[Miles Edgeworth]

Assuming Deidara was prepared for this match and had a C4 on him,we would also have to assume Orochimaru would have his reanimation bodies with him.And Tsunade would have prepared antidotes beforehand.Just to make the match fair.

Deidara doesn't have to "carry" C4, he merely eats his normal clay and barfs it up. He can use it whenever he wants.

So now Oro's gonna carry bodies around wherever he goes? He only showed Reanimation ONCE and he used it cuz he was facing the Hokage himself.

Tsunade can't possibly create antidotes without prep time. Now you're just trying to give extra advantages to the Sannin to support them when they weren't given in the opening post.



im sure among the three sanin one of em know a lighting style jutsu somewhere im cmon oro has master TONS of jutsu u think he doesnt know one a single one yet?



We can't just assume Oro somehow learned a lightning jutsu, he learned a lot but if you can't prove he learned lightning, you can't use it in the argument. If you do, it's making this a custom character battle and that's not what we're here for.

Also, this is all based on your assuming that Oro knows about C4's weakness. Sasuke only knew because of his Sharingan, which Oro doesn't have. Now maybe if the opening post mentioned that the Sannin all had prep time and knew C4's secret, they MIGHT have a chance. But they haven't shown lightning jutsu, so nvm they don't have a chance.

[Michael Jackson]

Akatsuki

[Lady Tsunade]

Deidara doesn't have to "carry" C4, he merely eats his normal clay and barfs it up. He can use it whenever he wants.

So now Oro's gonna carry bodies around wherever he goes? He only showed Reanimation ONCE and he used it cuz he was facing the Hokage himself.

Tsunade can't possibly create antidotes without prep time. Now you're just trying to give extra advantages to the Sannin to support them when they weren't given in the opening post.



We can't just assume Oro somehow learned a lightning jutsu, he learned a lot but if you can't prove he learned lightning, you can't use it in the argument. If you do, it's making this a custom character battle and that's not what we're here for.

Also, this is all based on your assuming that Oro knows about C4's weakness. Sasuke only knew because of his Sharingan, which Oro doesn't have. Now maybe if the opening post mentioned that the Sannin all had prep time and knew C4's secret, they MIGHT have a chance. But they haven't shown lightning jutsu, so nvm they don't have a chance.
well SORRY I didnt know Deidara could make C4 out of his normal clay!!What I said before would have been true if Deidara couldnt have made clay normally.But he can so...anyways no need to get angry about it,its only a discussion!!