Kabuto vs Akasuki

[PrinceofPeace]

Kabuto(Anime/manga feats) vs AKASUKI (no Tobi) !!!!!!!!

Kabuto can not resurect
-jinjuki
-kages
-akasuki
-Madara

Location-Kabuto's cave hideout
Kabuto has full knowledge the others have manga knowledge
OOC
Kabuto has 12hrs 45min 83 sec of prep
Distance-100m apart the akaskui is huddle up on te other side

No CT until all other teammates are defeated

DEBATE !!!!!!

FYI-edos are out and ready

[PrinceofPeace]

Thanks for your patience commence debate

[321zigzag3]

Kabuto can't handle all of the Akatsuki alone.
However with prep. Is he able to revive all other shinobi that do not fall under the restrictions?


With full knowledge he will probably resort to jutsu such as

Summoning Manda II
white rage jutsu
Inorganic life jutsu
Or maybe even Tayuya'a Demonic Flute to bind them all in an attempt.

Maybe even come up with counters to all Akatsuki to individually.



Kabuto has 12hrs 45min 83 sec of prep


Why so detailed with this?

[PrinceofPeace]

All characters that do not fall under the categories can be revived!

And lol just cuz

[BMC1994]

Didnt itachi basicly solo him. What prevents itachi from going izanami all over again?

(Especially with instead of sasuke an actually capable group of ninja supporting him)

[PrinceofPeace]

Umm well ya know the edo army!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[321zigzag3]

Didnt itachi basicly solo him. What prevents itachi from going izanami all over again?

(Especially with instead of sasuke an actually capable group of ninja supporting him)

Because Kabuto has two things.

Prep time and full knowledge.

Still doesn't mean he can take them all out by himself but he has Edo Tensei.

[BMC1994]

Kinda low on imagination so what could kabuto prep what prevents itachi from using izanami again? I mean closing the eyes didnt work at all.

[megabbaut]

Didnt itachi basicly solo him. What prevents itachi from going izanami all over again?

(Especially with instead of sasuke an actually capable group of ninja supporting him)
Izanami won't work this time because Itachi will just get blindsided and cut in half like he did a couple times in the manga fight. Since he's not an Edo he can't really use that same tactics. There's also the fact that it would be kinda OOC since Itachi's eye would be sealed permanently as a side effect.

Anyway, as for Kabuto he has been given all the prep he needs, but the thing is that the OP also restricted basically all the top tiers of Narutoverse from being summoned which utterly destroys any chance Kabuto has of winning.

[PrinceofPeace]

Kabuto can summon the seven mist swordsman
That would take out he enemies eye sight

Kabuto has knowledge of he dangerous uchiha Jutsu and keep his distance

Itachi needs lots of prep to use that Jutsu

[megabbaut]

Itachi isn't the only factor in this fight, and wouldn't Kabuto's eye sight be taken out as well?

[BMC1994]

He didnt mind doing it while being an edo with in mind he would 'die' again just to stop edo tensei. I dont think the price of an eye would be that high compared to his life.

Why this time Itachi has actually usefull team members like pain who could use shinra tensei to defend itachi.

Kabuto will be way to occupied with monsters like kisame, kakazu and deidara unlike in the manga where he could (almost) completely focus on itachi. I dont see him getting blindsided with all of akatsuki guarding him. Not too mention sasori fodder 100 puppets are also there to protect itachi from potential blindsides.

Also most edos kabuto would summon could easily be sealed by totsuka no tsurugi or have their soul stolen by the human path (or it was another one of the paths idk).

@Prince
Preta path could technically absorb the mist.

Also Nagato/Pein has that Rain Detection jutsu of his to find the enemies.

[PrinceofPeace]

Kabuto had his eyes closed anyway during the battle

[megabbaut]

He didnt mind doing it while being an edo with in mind he would 'die' again just to stop edo tensei. I dont think the price of an eye would be that high compared to his life.

Why this time Itachi has actually usefull team members like pain who could use shinra tensei to defend itachi.

Kabuto will be way to occupied with monsters like kisame, kakazu and deidara unlike in the manga where he could (almost) completely focus on itachi. I dont see him getting blindsided with all of akatsuki guarding him. Not too mention sasori fodder 100 puppets are also there to protect itachi from potential blindsides.

Also most edos kabuto would summon could easily be sealed by totsuka no tsurugi or have their soul stolen by the human path (or it was another one of the paths idk).

@Prince
Preta path could technically absorb the mist.

Also Nagato/Pein has that Rain Detection jutsu of his to find the enemies.
Of course Itachi would use it knowing he would die anyway, but here he clearly isn't about to die anytime soon so therefore he wouldn't use it. Otherwise his eye would be sealed for the whole fight, and even afterward for his entire life. I'm sure he'd try to defeat Kabuto without having to resort to it.

Agreed with everything else, though.

[BMC1994]

But he wouldnt die anyway. he could have lived pretty much forever if he didnt use izanami yet he gave eternal life up just to stop edo tensei. Which is much more then just a single eye.

[321zigzag3]

Here is one scenario that Kabuto could potentially win.

He summon Manda II and the Edo Tensei including the 7 swordsman, and all the previous ninja that do not fall under the restrictions and have them go all at the Akatsuki as fodder distraction while Kabuto quickly prepares Demonic Flute Sound Chains genjutsu.

One good thing about Kabuto is that his abilities can at least stall multiple enemies and counter them with terrain manipulation or controlling the battlefield.

[BMC1994]

Wouldnt pain/itachi theorectically be able to break each other out like he did with sasuke. (Since rinnegan is the final evolution of the MS)

[321zigzag3]

I don't think the paths' rinnegan are actually capable of that much.

Maybe Nagato but not the paths.

[PrinceofPeace]

Here are a list of powerful edos that Kabuto and use

BEFORE BATTLE
-Kabuto summons the 7 mist swordsman
(Zabuza surronds the battlefield in the mist! So now only Nagato n the paths can see in the mist)

-Chūkichi
(can sense his foe and have a back-up mist like frost to blind foes)

-Dan Koto
(can solo anyone by letting off his spirit. Killz Kisame or Nagato or Sasori)

-Asuma
(he can keep hidan busy)

-Hanzo
(can posion anyone. The posion can spread everywhere and it would effect the enemies but not edos and with Kabuto's meds not him)

-Hyuuga
(can see foes and attack close up)

-Haku
(sneak up on enemies with ice mirrors)

-Torune
(bugs can sesne foes and attack long range and distract foes)

-Pakura n Gari
(perfect close/long range combo team)

-Kimmiaro
(attacks long and short range! Without sickness he is a boss)

[megabbaut]

Wouldnt pain/itachi theorectically be able to break each other out like he did with sasuke. (Since rinnegan is the final evolution of the MS)
Where in the manga did it say that the Rinnegan evolves from the MS?

[PrinceofPeace]

The mist swordsman would blind all of the enemies perfectly... besides Nagato

when the other edos were in the mist they fought perfectly as if they could see in the manga/anime

Itachi and the Human path could try to seal them but that would be hard when one can not see their foe

Itachi is a HUGE threat so Don could solo him from under or behind

Torune can simply touch Hidan and Hidan would be out since Hidan does not have to worry about Hidan's weapon

Manda II takes out Zetsu or fodder paths

Idk how the enemies would counter Salamander posion in such a small place

Kimmi n Pakura/Gari can take out some of Kakazu hearts

the mist ninja would easily sneak up on others

Plus Kabuto is hard to kill and has multiple ninjutsu

[ShikiFujinDeathReaper]

It says so around chapter 580. Still Akatsuki Could seal away Kabuto in the Gedo statue to try and stop him.

[PrinceofPeace]

In that small compact area? Kabuto can go underground and is fast enough to dodge plus in this mist it is hard to see

[megabbaut]

It says so around chapter 580. Still Akatsuki Could seal away Kabuto in the Gedo statue to try and stop him.
Statements aren't valid evidence. Otherwise I could say the Sharingan evolves from the Byakugan.

[Uchiha Sora]

I mean Pain ccould just ST everything away, mist included

Also Tobi is included in the akatsuki...

[Godaime Kazekage]

The mist swordsman would blind all of the enemies perfectly... besides Nagato

Itachi and the Human path could try to seal them but that would be hard when one can not see their foe
Preta path could absorb the jutsu over time and Zabuza is the only one who can use the jutsu, so as soon as they take him out it's done. Alternatively, Kakuzu and Nagato blow away the mist with a large scale combination wind attack, Kisame puts Kabuto's side in Water Dome. Nagato links with the Gedo Maza and uses Soul Dragon taking out most if not all of the Edos right away. The Akatsuki have lots of counters.

Itachi is a HUGE threat so Don could solo him from under or behind
So I guess Itachi just sits there and lets himself get hit:roll: Somehow I don't think it would be that easy with all of the Akatsuki looking out for each other. We also have no confirmation that the jutsu can't be resisted as it's only been used on an unconscious person in the manga.

It's always hard to judge battles with large numbers of combatants, because there are endless amounts of jutsu combinations and strategies that could be used. The Akatsuki have been working together for years though so they would have the advantage in coordination and teamwork.

Statements aren't valid evidence. Otherwise I could say the Sharingan evolves from the Byakugan.
Madara says hello.

[Spectual]

Madara says hello.

Hahaha,That is true as Madara awakened the rinnegan right before he "died"

[Uchiha Sora]

^Mega said Sharingan came from byakugan, not Sharingan evolves into rinnegan.

[Godaime Kazekage]

^Mega said Sharingan came from byakugan, not Sharingan evolves into rinnegan.

Where in the manga did it say that the Rinnegan evolves from the MS?

It says so around chapter 580. Still Akatsuki Could seal away Kabuto in the Gedo statue to try and stop him.

Statements aren't valid evidence. Otherwise I could say the Sharingan evolves from the Byakugan.

C'mon Sora, keep up! :lol:

[Uchiha Sora]

C'mon Sora, keep up! :lol:

To be honest i didn't even know there was a page before this one. :lol: I was referring to this

Statements aren't valid evidence. Otherwise I could say the Sharingan evolves from the Byakugan.

because of that I never read the real OP either. whoops.

Anyway, what stops Bansho Tennin? I don't think SM naruto could even resist it.

[PrinceofPeace]

Preta path could absorb the jutsu over timeand Zabuza is the only one who can use the jutsu, so as soon as they take him out it's done.
Easier said then done. Zabuza can keep the mist active while it is being absorbed. Plus it would be hard to find Zabuza
Alternatively, Kakuzu and Nagato blow away the mist with a large scale combination wind attack,
before or after Dan goes into his spirit form to attack him ?
Kisame puts Kabuto's side in Water Dome.
what good does that do?? if anything it helps Kabuto cuz Kabuto=Sugeitsu!!! THEY BOTH ARE WATER :D
Nagato links with the Gedo Maza and uses Soul Dragon taking out most if not all of the Edos right away.
Not in that small cramped space
The Akatsuki have lots of counters.



So I guess Itachi just sits there and lets himself get hit:roll:
Dan is intanglibe so how can his teammates help?
Somehow I don't think it would be that easy with all of the Akatsuki looking out for each other.
Dan is also invisible in spirit form so how would they find him
We also have no confirmation that the jutsu can't be resisted as it's only been used on an unconscious person in the manga.
Dan does not need to take over the body. He can strike them with a kunai. Dan is intangible and invisible so it will be harder to fight. Nobody has been able to resisit him and the others do not have feats to fight back

It's always hard to judge battles with large numbers of combatants, because there are endless amounts of jutsu combinations and strategies that could be used. The Akatsuki have been working together for years though so they would have the advantage in coordination and teamwork.
Yet Kabuto has the advantage in knowledge, prep, mutliple abilities, and a zombie army
.

we could always try listing stratgies

The akasuki enter the mist

[BMC1994]

The mist swordsman would blind all of the enemies perfectly... besides Nagato

when the other edos were in the mist they fought perfectly as if they could see in the manga/anime

Itachi and the Human path could try to seal them but that would be hard when one can not see their foe

Itachi is a HUGE threat so Don could solo him from under or behind

Torune can simply touch Hidan and Hidan would be out since Hidan does not have to worry about Hidan's weapon

Manda II takes out Zetsu or fodder paths

Idk how the enemies would counter Salamander posion in such a small place

Kimmi n Pakura/Gari can take out some of Kakazu hearts

the mist ninja would easily sneak up on others

Plus Kabuto is hard to kill and has multiple ninjutsu

Hypotectically human path could remove dan from itachi as he can absorb/remove souls. He will be nothing but a walking buffet for human path.

Hidan is immortal i doubt poison bugs would do much.

Manda II doesnt even fit in a cave -.-

Salamander posion in such a small space would also affect kabuto and edos.(seeing as hanzo was immobilized by his own poison. Also pain could just shinra tensei it away.

Shinra tensei > Soulsteal > pakura , gari and other edo fodder.

Gk pretty much adressed the rest.

Although in the manga both kakashi , Gai and Lee have displayed that its still possible to see enemies in the mist if they are close enough. Anyway mist does not matter as Nagato was a sensor i think. He atleast had his raining technique.

Statements aren't valid evidence. Otherwise I could say the Sharingan evolves from the Byakugan.

They are if backed up by actual evidence hence madara having the flippin rinnegan. And sharingan was derived (if the translation i read was correct) from the byakugan not evolved.

[PrinceofPeace]

Hypotectically human path could remove dan from itachi as he can absorb/remove souls. He will be nothing but a walking buffet for human path.
Dan could attack Human path as well. Due to Rinnegan Human path would be able to see him but Dan has multiple opponents to attack and Human path can not get Dan in time. Dan was fast enough to go to Tsuande almost instantly at rapid speeds. ANd he was able to save Tsuande from Madara. Human path could not save anyone in time

Hidan is immortal i doubt poison bugs would do much.
But Hidan would be suffering in pain right???

Manda II doesnt even fit in a cave -.-
Agreed! Same with Gedo Maze :D

Salamander posion in such a small space would also affect kabuto and edos.(seeing as hanzo was immobilized by his own poison. Also pain could just shinra tensei it away.
ice dome or Earth Wall blocks posion
Kabuto has enough prep to bulid an anditode especially with his knowledge and prep

Shinra tensei >
true
Soulsteal
hard to see in mist. Especially when Dan is going for the suprise attack
> pakura , gari and other edo fodder.

Gk pretty much adressed the rest.

Although in the manga both kakashi , Gai and Lee have displayed that its still possible to see enemies in the mist if they are close enough. Anyway mist does not matter as Nagato was a sensor i think. He atleast had his raining technique.
True but in most cases when it is too close it is too late. Using the rain only makes Kabuto and Mangetus stronger and due to rinnegan the paths can already see though the mist


With prep/knowledge kabuto could make enough Salamander posion/anidtoes

Kabuto can prep holes underneath the ground and make protective barriers or anditodes

During Prep Hanzo can summon his salmander and it would go underground then release the toxins from underground up to the enemies who would not react in time

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Hanzo can surrond the field in ice mirrors for her to get ready to attack her foes with.

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Kabuto can get the area moist or very wet for himelf and Hozuki to morph into a huge aqua monsters
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Dan can basicially solo anyone
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Kimmi can get his bones ready and finger bullets at the start

[megabbaut]

Madara says hello.
Well he had both Sharingan and Rinnegan, that's not evolution otherwise Rinnegan would've replaced EMS. He has to switch between the two, so yeah. It's like having Sharingan and Byakugan.

Anyway, what stops Bansho Tennin? I don't think SM naruto could even resist it.
I remember debating this some time ago and I don't really want to type everything up so I'll just put this here. Credit goes to JL12Infinity btw.

Deva uses BT to pull Kabuto in, Kabuto absorbs the stab from the rod and receives no damage thanks to hydrification. Kabuto stabs Deva Path through the chest with his chakra scalpel. Everyone else is screwed. OR while getting pulled in Kabuto uses a water technique to blow Deva Path backwards. OR he uses Muka Tensei and shifts the battlefield in his favor OR he uses White Rage and blinds all the paths at once OR he uses Kidomaru's web to trap Deva Path while he's being pulled in OR he uses Jidanbo's Earth Release to create a wall to jump off of OR Kabuto lets himself get grabbed by Preta Path then sheds his skin while Preta tries to hold him and kills Preta while he scrambles to react OR he uses Kimamaro's finger bullets and fires them at high speeds into Deva's skull during the five second recovery period OR...

On top of that Kabuto has more intel than anyone else in the ninja world and he's brilliant, he would figure out Pain's abilities much faster than Pain would figure out his, and he most likely already knew some of Rinnegan's abilities from his research with Edo Tensei and Oro.

Have I made my point.

[Uchiha Sora]

Phones about to die, I'll counter later

[Godaime Kazekage]

@PoP: First off, you really need to stop this Dan solos everyone in the Narutoverse BS. He doesn't have the feats to do what you suggest. The only person he's been shown possessing on panel was Tsunade and she was unconscious when he did it. She didn't make any attempt to resist the possession either for obvious reasons so you can't make the assertion that he can easily possess whoever he wants and they will be at his mercy. There is even a precedence for high level opponents breaking out of possession jutsus easier/faster than others as seen with Shikamaru's shadow bind and Ino's mind transfer. Also, Dan is not invisible in spirit form-where the hell are you getting this? He's sparkly and even had a conversation with Choza. Him saving Tsunade from Madara would be a lot more impressive if it could be gauged against the movement of anything else (Madara did not know he was coming and the Kage were not moving until Madara had already started his attack).

Next, Akatsuki can easily make the space to summon Gedo Maza (ST, Iron Sand), heck, Gedo Maza was halfway underground anyway when Nagato summoned it against Hanzo.
-Water Dome stops most of Kabuto's ET's which was what I was countering.
-12 hrs. is not enough time to make an antidote considering you'd need to find the ingredients and make enough for multiple fighters. The Akatsuki also have a poison specialist who would likely know about Hanzo's tricks (Chiyo fought against Hanzo all the time and she raised Sasori).

@mega: Where are you getting the idea that Madara switches between EMS and Rinnegan? After he activated it against Naruto the EMS hasn't been shown at all and he's been seen using his sharingan techs while Rinnegan is activated.

[megabbaut]

@mega: Where are you getting the idea that Madara switches between EMS and Rinnegan? After he activated it against Naruto the EMS hasn't been shown at all and he's been seen using his sharingan techs while Rinnegan is activated.
What Sharingan techs? After he absorbed FRS he dropped a meteor on everyone.

[Godaime Kazekage]

What Sharingan techs? After he absorbed FRS he dropped a meteor on everyone.

Susano'o >.>

[megabbaut]

Just looked back at the chapter. Noted what Muu said. Never mind then.

[Uchiha Sora]

Deva uses BT to pull Kabuto in, Kabuto absorbs the stab from the rod and receives no damage thanks to hydrification. Kabuto stabs Deva Path through the chest with his chakra scalpel. Everyone else is screwed. OR while getting pulled in Kabuto uses a water technique to blow Deva Path backwards. OR he uses Muka Tensei and shifts the battlefield in his favor OR he uses White Rage and blinds all the paths at once OR he uses Kidomaru's web to trap Deva Path while he's being pulled in OR he uses Jidanbo's Earth Release to create a wall to jump off of OR Kabuto lets himself get grabbed by Preta Path then sheds his skin while Preta tries to hold him and kills Preta while he scrambles to react OR he uses Kimamaro's finger bullets and fires them at high speeds into Deva's skull during the five second recovery period OR...
First off, all of those things JLi listed require hand signs. They cannot be made during Bansho tennin. SM Naruto couldn't resist it despite his insane strength. Second of all, hydrification won't matter to the totsuka sword.

[BMC1994]

@Prince
Hes is clearly visible while ghost human path touches him and its over.

As far as i know human path never tried to save anyone (being part of a villains movest and all)

Yes but we are talking about the guy called getting decapitated 'stinging'.
Hakus Ice dome is not fullt sealed it has openings between the mirror. The earth dome i know is only large enough for 2-3 persons.(kitsuchis) and akatsuki could still blast it away. Why would he make an antidote for a poison thats not supposed to be damaging
him?

Mist gets absorbed or shinra tensei'd away so everything is clearly visible.

With the reaction feats of akatsuki it isnt if it wasnt when lee/gai/kakashi could clearly see them through the mist.

[CoolerThanIce]

Kabuto can summon the seven mist swordsman
That would take out he enemies eye sight
That's not gonna help much against Pain and Itachi. Rinnegan and Sharingan can see right through it, just saying.

Kabuto has 12hrs 45min 83 sec of prep
Why so specific?

Which side is Kisame on? The Akatsuki or the Seven Ninja Swordsmen?

[PrinceofPeace]

@Prince
Hes is clearly visible while ghost human path touches him and its over.

As far as i know human path never tried to save anyone (being part of a villains movest and all)
I thought the kages and Madara could not see Dan?? BUt I agree the paths and other sensors of Akasuki

Yes but we are talking about the guy called getting decapitated 'stinging'.
true but Hidan can not effect the Edos much either.

Hakus Ice dome is not fullt sealed it has openings between the mirror. The earth dome i know is only large enough for 2-3 persons.(kitsuchis) and akatsuki could still blast it away.
ture

Why would he make an antidote for a poison thats not supposed to be damaging
him?
are you talking about Hanzo?? Well he does have an antidote and Kabuto can make one with prep and his healing/stamina abilities

Mist gets absorbed or shinra tensei'd away so everything is clearly visible.

With the reaction feats of akatsuki it isnt if it wasnt when lee/gai/kakashi could clearly see them through the mist
Agreed overall mist is useless
.

But how would the akasuki fight against the other plan that nobody countered?

With prep/knowledge kabuto could make enough Salamander posion/anidtoes

Kabuto can prep holes underneath the ground and make protective barriers or anditodes

During Prep Hanzo can summon his salmander and it would go underground then release the toxins from underground up to the enemies who would not react in time

tHAT IS the only tatic I have atm

@Cool
-lol what do ya think?

[Godaime Kazekage]

But how would the akasuki fight against the other plan that nobody countered?

With prep/knowledge kabuto could make enough Salamander posion/anidtoes

Kabuto can prep holes underneath the ground and make protective barriers or anditodes

During Prep Hanzo can summon his salmander and it would go underground then release the toxins from underground up to the enemies who would not react in time

tHAT IS the only tatic I have atm

@Cool
-lol what do ya think?
Hmmm-apparently you missed what I wrote before. Itachi has sharingan which can see chakra so he'll notice the salamander lying in wait. Sasori is also very knowledgeable about poisons and possibly knows about Hanzo's abilities since he's also a famous poison user and Chiyo fought him multiple times (even creating an antidote to his poison) and she raised Sasori. Akatsuki's reactions also aren't slow. They are intelligent and cautious (well a number of them are) so they aren't just going to walk into a trap unprepared-dear god, this is giving me flashbacks to Hokages vs. Hashirama where you maintained the Hokage would just walk into Hashirama's pre-set Advent of Flowering Trees technique.

And again, it takes specific ingredients to make an antidote and careful mixing which Kabuto wont have the time to find and prepare-certainly not for all of his ET's as well.

[BMC1994]

as far as i know gas is still affected by gravity and thus pain will shinra tensei it away.

[PrinceofPeace]

Hmmm-apparently you missed what I wrote before. Itachi has sharingan which can see chakra so he'll notice the salamander lying in wait.
That is only when Itachi is looking at something right??? I mean if Saskue did not look in Dediara's direction (or the direction of the bomb) he would not notice the bomb had chakra in it right. So with that logic (if mine is correct) Itachi would be able to see the Salmander IF! Itachi looks down towards the ground right?
Sasori is also very knowledgeable about poisons and possibly knows about Hanzo's abilities since he's also a famous poison user and Chiyo fought him multiple times (even creating an antidote to his poison) and she raised Sasori.
Sasori does not have prep to make an anditote
Akatsuki's reactions also aren't slow.
AGreed
They are intelligent and cautious (well a number of them are) so they aren't just going to walk into a trap unprepared-dear god, this is giving me flashbacks to Hokages vs. Hashirama where you maintained the Hokage would just walk into Hashirama's pre-set Advent of Flowering Trees technique.
so they would walk into the cave? Doesnt all fights start with the ninja appearing in the arena off the bat?

And again, it takes specific ingredients to make an antidote and careful mixing which Kabuto wont have the time to find and prepare-certainly not for all of his ET's as well.
12 hours is not enough time to make an anditote??


with Prep Kabuto can get use Kimmi's and Tayuya's powers to use Demonic flute!
Audio genjutsu is the best kind of genjutsu IMO and with senjutsu it will only be even stronger

with the prep Kabuto and Mangetsu can also gain enough water to become boss like!!

[Uchiha Sora]

With prep/knowledge kabuto could make enough Salamander posion/anidtoes

Kabuto can prep holes underneath the ground and make protective barriers or anditodes

During Prep Hanzo can summon his salmander and it would go underground then release the toxins from underground up to the enemies who would not react in time

Pretty sure that breaks the rules of prep.

Prep time: Neither side receives any notable prep time before the starting bell. Neither side may take any offensive or defensive actions before the starting bell. Planning is allowed and powers that are automatic or 'always on' can be up, but actions such as setting up forcefields, taking flight, or consciously activating powers is not. For example, Batman cannot shove together an 'anti-Avengers spray' before the fight.

[PrinceofPeace]

Ight well the flute is the only option ... then im done

Wow prep really sucks then

[Godaime Kazekage]

Ight well the flute is the only option ... then im done

Wow prep really sucks then

Drown out sound waves with wind style or stop with water dome. Itachi will recognize the technique too and can quickly break out others with Tsukuyomi should the other counters fail.

[PrinceofPeace]

whose wind style??? Also this is SENJUTSU the wind style would have to be VERY powerful to drown out the sound like that.

Also I doubt Itachi can tell Kisame about the jutsu in time for Kisame to react before they caught in an Instant genjutsu. Plus the edos will not stand there as Itachi uses a lot of chakra breaking out his foes.

and once they are broken out of with genjutsu they get back in... right?

[Godaime Kazekage]

whose wind style??? Also this is SENJUTSU the wind style would have to be VERY powerful to drown out the sound like that.

Also I doubt Itachi can tell Kisame about the jutsu in time for Kisame to react before they caught in an Instant genjutsu. Plus the edos will not stand there as Itachi uses a lot of chakra breaking out his foes.

and once they are broken out of with genjutsu they get back in... right?

Senjutsu doesn't change the physics of how sound waves work-it only deals with the strength of the genjutsu (which by the way isn't even confirmed for Snake Sage Mode, just widely accepted). Kakuzu and Nagato can both use wind style. Kabuto needs a bit of time to get the melody going anyway and Itachi can break people out in an instant. If Kabuto wants to keep them in the genjutsu after they break out he'd have to stand still and keep playing which makes him an easy target for Ammy, Iron Sand, BT etc.

Sasori may not even be susceptible to genjutsu as he does not have a nervous/sensory system...how the heck did he talk to Sakura and Chiyo with just a "heart" anyway?!?

[PrinceofPeace]

Senjutsu doesn't change the physics of how sound waves work-it only deals with the strength of the genjutsu (which by the way isn't even confirmed for Snake Sage Mode, just widely accepted). Kakuzu and Nagato can both use wind style.
correct but they do not have the knowledge that Itachi does. And by the time Itachi tells them it would be too late. And Nagato's wind ninjutsu is weak
Kabuto needs a bit of time to get the melody going anyway and Itachi can break people out in an instant.
with edo's shielding or blocking the view of Kabuto (with or wihtout mist) it would be hard for Itachi to do so. Itachi can not save all of them and Itachi would be endagered himself
If Kabuto wants to keep them in the genjutsu after they break out he'd have to stand still and keep playing which makes him an easy target for Ammy, Iron Sand, BT etc.
edo's say hello

Sasori may not even be susceptible to genjutsu as he does not have a nervous/sensory system...how the heck did he talk to Sakura and Chiyo with just a "heart" anyway?!?
And the edos would deal with him accordingly or at least keep him busy.
Itachi needed help to break out of the genjutsu as well so who will help him?

[Uchiha Sora]

Still sticking with bansho tennin>Totsuka sword.


I mean Bansho tennin goes off before Kabuto can really do anything.

[PrinceofPeace]

the mist may not be a perfect way to blind the foe but the other kiri ninja (who is not the swordsman) can use frosty mist to blind foes as well.

And chakra concentration to the ground prevents being pulled right??? iirc Tsuande did it but I guess Nagato was not trying

Earth wall or bones in the ground would hold up Being pulled. Plus edos will know to attack quickly and the strongest ones

kabuto can control the area to grab him from being pulled or intercept by summoning snakes

[Godaime Kazekage]

And the edos would deal with him accordingly or at least keep him busy.
Itachi needed help to break out of the genjutsu as well so who will help him?

Demonic flute is a melody genjutsu-so multiple notes and a time period are needed to put the enemy under genjutsu. As soon as Itachi hears the beginning of the melody he knows to warn the others or throws a paper bomb at close range to interrupt the melody. You seem to really like to argue around single techniques, (Hidden Mist Jutsu and Demonic Flute here, Advent of Flowering Trees in Hashirama threads, etc.) but to paraphrase Itachi every technique has a weakness and can be countered. Also, if they are caught Itachi doesn't need to save everyone-just one, then it's freeze tag time. Sasori is also possibly immune to the genjutsu. Edos aren't going to stop any of the techniques I mentioned except for Ammy by being a human shield.

About BT: We don't know if the chakra in the feet would even be effective. If it is, Kabuto will still be rooted in one spot and an easy target for other techniques.

[Sir Michael]

Where in the manga did it say that the Rinnegan evolves from the MS?

Nowhere. It evolves from the EMS.

Sharingan > MS > EMS > Rinnegan

[PrinceofPeace]

Demonic flute is a melody genjutsu-so multiple notes and a time period are needed to put the enemy under genjutsu. As soon as Itachi hears the beginning of the melody he knows to warn the others or throws a paper bomb at close range to interrupt the melody.
The effects of the genjutsu are instant (it took about 2 small panels for the sound to travel and take effect. The genjutsu was so fast Itachi could not even finish his sentece. So how can he warn his friends in time???)
You seem to really like to argue around single techniques, (Hidden Mist Jutsu and Demonic Flute here, Advent of Flowering Trees in Hashirama threads, etc.) but to paraphrase Itachi every technique has a weakness and can be countered.

Also, if they are caught Itachi doesn't need to save everyone-just one, then it's freeze tag time.
At best he could save one... but who??
Sasori is also possibly immune to the genjutsu. Edos aren't going to stop any of the techniques I mentioned except for Ammy by being a human shield.

About BT: We don't know if the chakra in the feet would even be effective. If it is, Kabuto will still be rooted in one spot and an easy target for other techniques.
the other edos can be shields or counter


So far the battle would go like this IMO

-Kimmi makes the bone flute and in this time Kabuto pulls out Tayuya
-Kimmi gives the flute to Kabuto and he plays his genjutsu which is just about instant

Itachi was not able to finish a sentense so Idk if he can get out a kunai and a paperbomb and attach it and then throw it to set off a MINOR explosion that would not stop the effect of the sounds that much.

As far as we know Chakra concentration is stopping From being pulled in by Nagato

The edos should be able to take a hit for Kabuto or at least counter while the Kabuto is activating genjutsu

Sasori should be the only one to surive the genjutsu. Now its just an edo gang and kabuto vs Sasori. the edos and Kabuot would not let Sasori release everyone easily. Even if Itachi could free someone who would he save???

then it would be Sasori and (insert character name here) vs Kabuto w/ edos

[Godaime Kazekage]

So far the battle would go like this IMO

-Kimmi makes the bone flute and in this time Kabuto pulls out Tayuya
-Kimmi gives the flute to Kabuto and he plays his genjutsu which is just about instant

Itachi was not able to finish a sentense so Idk if he can get out a kunai and a paperbomb and attach it and then throw it to set off a MINOR explosion that would not stop the effect of the sounds that much.

As far as we know Chakra concentration is stopping From being pulled in by Nagato

The edos should be able to take a hit for Kabuto or at least counter while the Kabuto is activating genjutsu

Sasori should be the only one to surive the genjutsu. Now its just an edo gang and kabuto vs Sasori. the edos and Kabuot would not let Sasori release everyone easily. Even if Itachi could free someone who would he save???

then it would be Sasori and (insert character name here) vs Kabuto w/ edos

Apparently you disregarded what I had wrote before. It's a melody genjutsu so the victim has to hear multiple notes before it goes into full effect-do you understand what a melody is? It's not one sound and they're down. You can't use panels as an accurate measure of time-it just shows what action is happening. One panel to show that Tayuya is playing the flute and then another to show that the sound is travelling. Unless you want Kishi to put a panel for each finger movement Tayuya is making when she plays the flute:roll:. Some of the "music" had already passed by Itachi while he was talking to Sasuke. Shikamaru was able to quickly recognize what was going on, throw his kunai and make multiple other movements before he was immobilized. The Akatsuki are also "huddled together" according to your OP so they're pretty much all out of the genjutsu at the same time after Itachi puts someone in Tsukuyomi because all they need to do is touch each other to get out.

-Paper bombs cause explosions which impair hearing and would certainly interrupt the pattern of sounds (melody) that the people are hearing at the time.

-Kabuto can't make the bone flute and pull out Tayuya at the same time-he can only have one clone body coming from his stomach at the same time. He wouldn't need to do this anyway as he could have just prepped a flute before battle anyway though-don't make things harder on yourself. :D

-Again, we do NOT know that chakra concentration stops being pulled in by Nagato and Edos can't shield large scale AOE like Iron Sand, Water Dome, ST, or Kakuzu's elemental attacks.

[PrinceofPeace]

*Admits defeat*

[Ninja of Cao]

I think that Pain can solo the entire Edo army, to be honest... huge Shinra Tensei or Planetary Devastation is all that's necessary for Kabuto's army to be annihilated. Itachi is proven to be superior to Kabuto and with all the Akatsuki at his back, this will be an easy fight.

Final conclusion: Akatsuki victory.

[321zigzag3]

*Admits defeat*

Don't fret, my scenario is still plausible in Kabuto's victory but the probability of that occuring is all up to your imaginations.

As for me, it does not matter. The fact at least one scenario exists is enough for me even if the chance of such strategy is low.

[barermac]

Kabuto tiene ventaja con el edo

[PrinceofPeace]

Idk GK if Genjutsu was able to be pulled off Kabuto could win (especially with his inteliggence he could think up a plan)

Nagato knew that Tsuande focused her chakra to the ground so Nagato was forced to attack a different way. So nagato could not pull Tsuande

I doubt an explosion would cancle there hearing. It would leave a ringing but its like closing your ears. THe sound is very powerful and could still get though.

That is if Itachi can activate the paperbomb in time

[Godaime Kazekage]

Idk GK if Genjutsu was able to be pulled off Kabuto could win (especially with his inteliggence he could think up a plan)

Nagato knew that Tsuande focused her chakra to the ground so Nagato was forced to attack a different way. So nagato could not pull Tsuande

I doubt an explosion would cancle there hearing. It would leave a ringing but its like closing your ears. THe sound is very powerful and could still get though.

That is if Itachi can activate the paperbomb in time

With such a large number of combatants it's certainly possible that Kabuto could win, especially if Hanzo is really as powerful as he was hyped to be, however the Akatsuki have the benefit of teamwork and both the Rinnegan and Mangekyo Sharingan on their side, as well as a diverse pool of high level jutsu, which makes them win in most scenarios.

I don't think the genjutsu is really a viable strategy though-Itachi already knows about it and the Akatsuki would be out of it essentially instantly assuming they were caught in it in the first place. Itachi also has one of the most effective ways of dealing with Edos in the Totsuka Blade.

Deva Path never attacked Tsunade so I'm not sure what you're talking about. He had a conversation with her and then flew up to blow up the village. When Deva Path is capable of sending the Boss Frogs flying vast distances I don't think a little chakra in the feet is going to stop his powers.

They just need to impair their hearing for a moment to interrupt the melody they're hearing.

[PrinceofPeace]

Danzo noticed the chakra in her feet and then he decided to go push away the village. It was just odd. If he was powerful enough he could have pushed away Tsuande and Co. with ease

People have gone in close range with paperbombs (Neji n SHika when first facing the Sound 4) and no serious damage was done

[Uchiha Sora]

Your really Bsing that PoP.

Pain was LEAVING the village because Naruto wasn't there. He was done fighting. Then Tsunade ended up provoking him into blowing the entire village away to show her true suffering.

A little chakra under someone's feet won't help. If a FRS was effortlessly blown away I'm pretty sure it won't help

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Pretty sure that breaks the rules of prep.

the opening poster has the right to set prep time for one or the other side or both

if it's a scenario match they can work to how they like it

[PrinceofPeace]

but Kabuto can not use jutsu in that time right?