Tsunade vs Jiraiya

[CoolerThanIce]

Location: Outside the Hokage's residence

Start: 15 m apart

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This is a pretty good fight now with Tsunade's recovery abilities from coming back from a death blow vs Madara.(funny how in the 5th movie Naruto was moving around with pretty much the same injury) In terms of ninjutsu Jiraiya has a huge advantage and summoning jutsu.
I would say Jiraiya though. He summons Gamaken and Gamabunta to take care of Tsunade and her slug. He then summons Ma and Pa and he goes Sage Mode after a few minutes even if she does go after him, Tsunade isn't really faster than Jiraiya and he has Ma and Pa frogs helping him. Once he goes Sage Mode he can eventually incinerate Tsunade with Toad Oil Flame Bullet or smash her with Massive Rasengan. Tsunade has the best recovery in the magna of living character but Jiraiya should have enough fire power to kill her.

[Shisko Shi]

I don't think she is much of a fighter like Jiraiya. In an one on one...it has to be Jiraiya. Tsunade is way too dependent on melee combat while Jiraiya is far more versatile. No restrictions means hermit mode and super spam of summons. Though Jiraiya probably wouldn't need the summons. He has the angry lion's mane to protect against melee attacks then he can spam Katon combos from range. Sure Tsunade can summon katsua to throw some acid balls as ranged attack but that wouldn't do much against the speed of HM Jiraiya. Not to mention Jiraiya has more chakra, the ultimate rasengan to blast off Katsuya.

So Jiraiya wins this. Sometimes I think we haven't seen enough from Tsunade.

[Shikamaru Nara]

No way Tsunade is going to win this.
Even though she has some new BS feats, apparently, I don't see her being able to come remotely close to even touching Jiraiya given the fact that he's essentially her polar opposite. See chapter 375 pages 6 and 7.

Jiraiya is clearly able to teleport a toad more than ten times his size in a matter of seconds.
Tsunade's not hitting him.

SotU should take care of her.
On a side note, Sage Mode doesn't take a lot of prep and he could probably be in Sage Mode by the time Tsunade gets to him already. That being said, she won't physically outclass him by a wide margin in Sage Mode, if at all.

[BMC1994]

Jiraiya has this.

Tsunade is basically the best tank in the manga atm(besides juubi :lol: )

But jiraiya has plenty of other ways to defeat his enemies. Like immobilising them with swamp of the underworld or Capturing her with frog song(in sage mode).

Tsunade is also at the disadvantage because jiraiya can defend any of her blows with his spiky hair(forgot its name).

Not to mention jiraiya has 3 giant summons at his disposal while tsunade only has one.

Jiraiya is simply way more versatile and has a larger arsenal to take tsunade out.

Tsuandes recovery abilites simply arent of much help here.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Jiraiya has this.

Tsunade is basically the best tank in the manga atm(besides juubi :lol: )

But jiraiya has plenty of other ways to defeat his enemies. Like immobilising them with swamp of the underworld or Capturing her with frog song(in sage mode).

Tsunade is also at the disadvantage because jiraiya can defend any of her blows with his spiky hair(forgot its name).

Not to mention jiraiya has 3 giant summons at his disposal while tsunade only has one.

Jiraiya is simply way more versatile and has a larger arsenal to take tsunade out.

Tsuandes recovery abilites simply arent of much help here.

Ohh boy, here we go- Jiraiya is almost universally loved and Tsunade almost universally hated on this forum, so I'm probably going to get a lot of flack for this, but...

Why does everyone keep saying this? Chapter 577-Tsunade hits Madara so hard she disintegrates a third of his body. If she gets off a clean hit (hair present or not) on Jiraiya he's screwed. Also, Jiraiya has never been shown to summon all three boss frogs at the same time (although I have no doubt he could do this in SM), he's definitely not doing it right off the bat.

Sage Mode Jiraiya beats Tsunade, I think almost everyone can agree on that, but the question is whether or not he can enter Sage Mode before Tsunade can attack him. Unlike Naruto he cannot enter Sage Mode quickly and he doesn't have the clone system, so he's a sitting duck while waiting to enter Sage Mode. I suppose Gamaken could try and run away from Tsunade and Katsuyu, but that kind of goes against the spirit of the fight and could be considered a ring out, depending on how far they run.

[BMC1994]

I never claimed to jiraiya would summon all 3 at the same time i only said jiraiya ahs more summon available. (should one fall or should there be a need to a different approach).

The main problem is jiraiya can just capture her with SoTU especially if hes not drugged by tsunade (note that when drugged his sotu was a large as a giant snake.

There are way too much obstacles for tsunade to overcome to have much chance of hitting jiraiya.

Jiriaya is a jack of all trades he simply has more viable ways to take tsunade down then the vice-versa.

Tsunade simply cant shine in fights like this.
Taijtusu/Close quaters/Weapon fights are her specialty as she can recover from anything and blow your brains out from close distance.

But i dont see her coming close to a mid range fighter like jiriaya especially since he managed to avoid pein(a far more dangerous opponent) long enough for sage mode.

[Godaime Kazekage]

We never saw the full strength SoTU, so we can't really debate with it, all we know is that it is likely larger/deeper than the one he showed in the manga. It still takes handseals to create which Tsunade will recognize and she could jump up and summon Katsuyu who can split her body to escape the jutsu. It's not a be-all-end-all technique either, it's just said to make it "almost impossible to recover one's strength and escape the mud due to adhesive chakra". If there were anyone who could escape through brute strength it would be Tsunade. Yes, Jiraiya is more versatile, but outside of Sage Mode he hasn't shown a technique strong enough to put her down.

Sure, Jiraiya avoided Pain-correction-just the Animal Path's summons. Pain didn't make a single move to confront Jiraiya himself while he was prepping Sage Mode, and if you remember Deva Path had no problem avoiding all three Boss Frogs at the same time.

[BMC1994]

We have seen it in action on a smaller scale in sage mode used on one of pains paths.

Deva can control gravity i dont see how that relates to tsunade.

There still is toad mouth bind. Which is exactly my point for every jutsu tsuande overcomes there is another one waiting for her.(and turn-into-a-frog-jutsu :lol: )

[Godaime Kazekage]

We have seen it in action on a smaller scale in sage mode used on one of pains paths.
Don't really remember that, but still doesn't negate the counter I wrote.

Deva can control gravity i dont see how that relates to tsunade. He was just jumping and running around on them before he used ST. Had nothing to do with gravity control. `:|

There still is toad mouth bind. Which is exactly my point for every jutsu tsuande overcomes there is another one waiting for her.(and turn-into-a-frog-jutsu :lol: )Okay... she kills Jiraiya inside it where he has less room to manouver or punches a hole through the wall. Jiraiya said no one had escaped it before, not that no one could, and considering the destructive potential of Tsunade's punches I don't doubt she could. Turning into a frog-seriously...

[BMC1994]

Note that tsuande isnt free to move within toad mouth bind. Jiraiya could simply restrain her in the surroundings. She wont be punching while trying to wrestle out of that pink goo-ey stuff. mean while jiriaya is free to do what ever he wants.

If beasts like kisame and itachi where like 'nothing to do here' then i dont think that tsuande will break out that easily even if she is psysically stronger.

Edit:

What i am saying is if itachi has to resort to amaterasu to burn out of it while having the likes of kisame with him i dont think brute force would have much effect.

Its an actual jutsu jiraiya used it on one of the rain village inhabitanats to interrogate.
But i hope you know that wasnt serious :lol: (although that made me go 'why doesnt he simp,y turn every enemy into an frog)

[PrinceofPeace]

We never saw the full strength SoTU, so we can't really debate with it, all we know is that it is likely larger/deeper than the one he showed in the manga. It still takes handseals to create which Tsunade will recognize and she could jump up and summon Katsuyu who can split her body to escape the jutsu. .
Jiryria can turn around to hide his hands when he is forming the handseals that Tsuande is familiar to.
When Jiryria turns around or tries to hide his hands Tsuande wil not know what he is planning!!!

All we know is that the mud was big and strong enough to capture huge snakes.

Overall Tsuande is too slow to hit Jiryria. Tsuande usually yells and pulls back to charge her punch or attack which gives Jiryria time to dodge or hit her.

Ir Katayus is summoned Gama is summoned which would easily jump ou of harms way

[Ano]

I think i'm the only one who choose Tsunade. Well, i admit Jiraiya is really strong, especially when using senjutsu, but let's give a chance to Tsunade, after all, she's the Fifth Hokage and possesses a large amount of chakra.
Don't give up, Tsunade!!!

[PrinceofPeace]

so how does she win???

I like tsuande more as well but you cant just choose her just cuz

[CoolerThanIce]

Jiraiya has the upper hand here although Tsunade would be pretty hard to beat. Let's not forget that it takes quite a while before he enters sage mode and with such a short distance he's got it even harder. She could use the finger jutsu to delay his attack and then close the distance and smash him.

I suppose he could summon Gamaken and Gamabunta first to take care of Katsuyu and Tsunade, then summon Ma and Pa and enter Sage Mode. Furthermore, he's faster than Tsunade and is way more versatile. I don't think Tsunade's medical abilities and yin seal would be of much help here. She can't use it as many times as she wants since it shortens her life.

(But to be fair, it would be kind of ooc for Jiraiya to kill Tsunade, since he probably wouldn't have the heart to do it xP)

Ps: Well, well, look who's back in the BGs;)

[Azal]

I say Jiraiya


Tsunade is really just a 1 trick pony, err slug

[BMC1994]

I think i'm the only one who choose Tsunade. Well, i admit Jiraiya is really strong, especially when using senjutsu, but let's give a chance to Tsunade, after all, she's the Fifth Hokage and possesses a large amount of chakra.
Don't give up, Tsunade!!!

Tsunade only is the 5th Hokage because jiraiya turend the position down :lol:

And jiraiya also happens to have a large chakra pool. So i fail to see your point.

[Sagepain]

Jiraiya can turn around to hide his hands when he is forming the handseals that Tsunade is familiar to.

When Jiraiya turns around or tries to hide his hands Tsunade will not know what he is planning!!!

This has got to be a joke, using your argument the moment he turns around he gets smashed.

In this matchup I doubt Jiraiya can enter Sage Mode but his versatility jutsu could still net him a victory. Not with your arguments though.

[PrinceofPeace]

How is that bad. He just has to not let tsunade see the hand signs.

But whatever jiryria can stall with boss toads then stomp with speed of SM

[Sagepain]

How is that bad. He just has to not let tsunade see the hand signs.

But whatever jiryria can stall with boss toads then stomp with speed of SM

That is not a viable tactic for Jiraiya because the moment he takes his sight off of her she body flickers towards him and he no longer knows where she is until its too late.

Nearly every ninja if not all are capable of high speed movement that for the most part cant be tracked with the naked eye so when he turns around as you say he would its a done deal.

He honestly doesin't even need to do that and your argument puts him into a situation he doesin't need to be in.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Note that tsuande isnt free to move within toad mouth bind. Jiraiya could simply restrain her in the surroundings. She wont be punching while trying to wrestle out of that pink goo-ey stuff. mean while jiriaya is free to do what ever he wants.

If beasts like kisame and itachi where like 'nothing to do here' then i dont think that tsuande will break out that easily even if she is psysically stronger.

Edit:

What i am saying is if itachi has to resort to amaterasu to burn out of it while having the likes of kisame with him i dont think brute force would have much effect.

Its an actual jutsu jiraiya used it on one of the rain village inhabitanats to interrogate.
But i hope you know that wasnt serious :lol: (although that made me go 'why doesnt he simp,y turn every enemy into an frog)

Toad mouth bind hardly slowed down Itachi and Kisame at all, it caught Samehada and Kisame yanked it out. Do you think the lining of the toad's esophagus is more durable than Susano'o? Because, yeah, Tsunade punched/kicked through that. Neither Itachi or Kisame have the level of destructive power that Tsunade has which is why Itachi resorted to Amaterasu.

I know what the frog jutsu is, and I hoped you were just joking, but I wasn't completely sure. He's only used it on an immobilized enemy outside of combat though, so it's not a viable option in a battle thread.

@Sagepain: Thank you for addressing PoP's response so I didn't have to go into a tirade about how stupid that tactic would be.

@PoP: Welcome back! Better start working on those tactics though! ;)

[PrinceofPeace]

So you guys really think tsunade just memorized his hand seals

Chp 166 of 5 : tsunade is K.O so how would he know of jiryria's swamp when he use it when tsunade was not even looking due to her fear

Plus it's just one hand seal so you think tsunade has te reaction time and speed to dodge it?

How's that for a tactic

Come on talk we all know tsunade is not going to win

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Jiryria can turn around to hide his hands when he is forming the handseals that Tsuande is familiar to.
When Jiryria turns around or tries to hide his hands Tsuande wil not know what he is planning!!!



quickly somebody confirm something for me because upon reading this I suffered temporary blindness from the fail..but

Did PoP seriously just suggest that concealing your techniques from an enemy in the naruto universe is as simple as turning your back to someone and whispering really softly?

..like really? This was a for real post?

[PrinceofPeace]

Wow did you even read my last post!!! At least I'm my making up stuff like how tsunade knows the Jutsu of dark swamp hand seals

[Sagepain]

quickly somebody confirm something for me because upon reading this I suffered temporary blindness from the fail..but

Did PoP seriously just suggest that concealing your techniques from an enemy in the naruto universe is as simple as turning your back to someone and whispering really softly?

..like really? This was a for real post?

Indeed, its not a horrible nightmare either unfortunately.

I've never seen PoP ever think of an argument as ridiculous as that and I hope this was the first......tell me I'm right please :lol:

Wow did you even read my last post!!! At least I'm my making up stuff like how tsunade knows the Jutsu of dark swamp hand seals

Your typos aren't a big deal most of the time but in this case you claim to be making up stuff when I know you mean to accuse the rest of the debaters of that.

Calm down and think of your next post with a valid argument that actually proves something and not imaginary scenarios that would never happen in a real Narutoverse fight.

[PrinceofPeace]

Whatever. The point is tsunade does not know the one and only hand seal of dark swamp because she was not looking and practically K.O. Due to fear. So she will not react in time. And one does not always have to yell out the name of their Jutsu

Anyway I doubt GK even checked if Tsaunde was conscience to see Jiryria's hand signs. And speaking of hand signs it was only ONE hand sign not multiple hand signs.

My bad on the turning back thing

A least I used facts and checked my tuff instead of making it up
No offense gk

[BMC1994]

Toad mouth bind hardly slowed down Itachi and Kisame at all, it caught Samehada and Kisame yanked it out. Do you think the lining of the toad's esophagus is more durable than Susano'o? Because, yeah, Tsunade punched/kicked through that. Neither Itachi or Kisame have the level of destructive power that Tsunade has which is why Itachi resorted to Amaterasu.

I know what the frog jutsu is, and I hoped you were just joking, but I wasn't completely sure. He's only used it on an immobilized enemy outside of combat though, so it's not a viable option in a battle thread.



The whole purpose of the toad mouth bind is to trap your enemies. What would be the point of locking yourself in a 2man cage fight with someone who casually punches craters in the ground.

Into kinda 'absorbs' opponents into the wall trapping them and leaving them unable to move.

Susano'o's durability is so unbeliefably inconsistent you do not wanna go there.

The part where he interrogated those rain ninja shows that off. And also what he did to protect sasuke (you see him 'vanishing' into the wall).

Anyway with all the restricting jutsu which tsunade has to 'wrestle 'out of (assuming she would even be succesfull) combined with all of jiraiya mid-range options jiraiya can easily stall long enough for sage mode.

After which we all knows what follows. Frog Song. GG. Although id like to see tsunade try and regenerate from a rasengan atleast 5x her size.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Indeed, its not a horrible nightmare either unfortunately.

I've never seen PoP ever think of an argument as ridiculous as that and I hope this was the first......tell me I'm right please :lol:



and am I reading his follow up argument right?

did he just imply that someone who has had a working relationship with Jiraiya for like..four decades would not know the guys arsenal of justsu's and at least have an idea of what he's capable of?

Whatever. The point is tsunade does not know the one and only hand seal of dark swamp because she was not looking and practically K.O. Due to fear. So she will not react in time. And one does not always have to yell out the name of their Jutsu


Look i agree that jiraiya wins but what you are suggesting is so retarded it makes a Slug with brain damage look like Steven hawking

Tsunade's worked with Jiraiya since childhood she knows exactly what he's capable of

[PrinceofPeace]

So now were assuming that jiryria has gained earth natured while the duo were together and she saw the tech. Jiryria could have needed more hand signs and reduced it to one.

But fine jiryria wins anyway

[WishfulFairie]

quickly somebody confirm something for me because upon reading this I suffered temporary blindness from the fail..but

Did PoP seriously just suggest that concealing your techniques from an enemy in the naruto universe is as simple as turning your back to someone and whispering really softly?

..like really? This was a for real post?
This is why I can't take the BGs seriously
So you guys really think tsunade just memorized his hand seals

Well....there are hand signs (like..idk the tiger..?) and if she can read his hands fast then she could figure out the jutsu (provided that she knows which hand signs go with which jutsu).. But I don't think she can read it that fast so that whole turning around thing was unnecessary....>.>

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

So now were assuming that jiryria has gained earth natured while the duo were together and she saw the tech. Jiryria could have needed more hand signs and reduced it to one.


...i don't think you understand

whether she was with him or not isn't relevant this is something that he learned twenty or thirty years before the start of the series..they only had their falling out During the fourth Hokages tenure and even then they seemed to have kept tabs on each other..

so yeah..I'm inclined to think somebody who has worked extensively with and fought on the battlefield with someone else is going to know what they are capable of


This is why I can't take the BGs seriously


oh come on not all of us are that..errmm insightful

[BMC1994]

and am I reading his follow up argument right?

did he just imply that someone who has had a working relationship with Jiraiya for like..four decades would not know the guys arsenal of justsu's and at least have an idea of what he's capable of?

Look i agree that jiraiya wins but what you are suggesting is so retarded it makes a Slug with brain damage look like Steven hawking

Tsunade's worked with Jiraiya since childhood she knows exactly what he's capable of

While without a doubt tsunade has a general idea of what he prefers to use i doubt tsunade has full intel on his abilities in sage mode and such.

/justmy2cents

@Wish

Kinda shallow judging the entire BG based of one/several doubtable posts of idk how many reasonable ones , isnt it?

[WishfulFairie]

You guys know I'm joking right...?
No love in the BGs smh
*stops spamming thread*

[321zigzag3]

Kinda shallow judging the entire BG based of one/several doubtable posts of idk how many reasonable ones , isnt it?

I find being unreasonable more fun sometimes. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/hmpf.gif http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/ofc5ra1.png

[PrinceofPeace]

Forgive my stupidity that I only go by facts. But I did not make that turning the back plan up by myself. It looked liked jiryria turned his back and activated the swamp with his back turned towards the enemy snake



But anyway I am done on this thread since we reached an answer

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

While without a doubt tsunade has a general idea of what he prefers to use i doubt tsunade has full intel on his abilities in sage mode and such.

/justmy2cents


I know that and I'm not saying she does

I'm just saying she can't be fooled by what amounts too Elementary school level tactics

Forgive my stupidity that I only go by facts. But I did not make that turning the back plan up by myself. It looked liked jiryria turned his back and activated the swamp with his back turned towards the enemy snake



But anyway I am done on this thread since we reached an answer

dude you aren't going by facts with that..

Jiraiya has personal quirks but concealment against a fellow sannin was not what he was going for

concealment like that..wont work on any one mind ye.

You guys know I'm joking right...?
No love in the BGs smh
*stops spamming thread*

We know Wish :D

[JLI2infinity]

Seriously why are we debating about Jiraiya in base taking her on. Jiraiya summons Gamahiro clasps his hands together and evades her attacks until he has the chakra necessary to summon Ma and Pa and go into Sage Mode. If Jiraiya took on like 4 pain summons with his hands behind his back why is this even debatable.

They were 4 highly mobile summons I might add not a slug, which is one of the slowest organisms in the more developed animal kingdom.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Stall --> Summon --> Win

/thread.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

what infinity said

[Godaime Kazekage]

The whole purpose of the toad mouth bind is to trap your enemies. What would be the point of locking yourself in a 2man cage fight with someone who casually punches craters in the ground.

Into kinda 'absorbs' opponents into the wall trapping them and leaving them unable to move.

Susano'o's durability is so unbeliefably inconsistent you do not wanna go there.

The part where he interrogated those rain ninja shows that off. And also what he did to protect sasuke (you see him 'vanishing' into the wall).

Anyway with all the restricting jutsu which tsunade has to 'wrestle 'out of (assuming she would even be succesfull) combined with all of jiraiya mid-range options jiraiya can easily stall long enough for sage mode.

After which we all knows what follows. Frog Song. GG. Although id like to see tsunade try and regenerate from a rasengan atleast 5x her size.

Well, it majorly failed at immobilizing named opponents who were conscious and trying not to get caught (Itachi and Kisame). I really don't see Tsunade having a problem breaking out. Yes, I know Jiraiya is very versatile and has mid range attacks, but he can't use them while he's prepping Sage Mode-he has to stay still.

@PoP: Really, you went there... Tsunade worked with Jiraiya for decades. She has even been shown to have knowledge on his ability to use Sage Mode and Rasengan and has never been shown to be surprised by a technique he's used.

@JLI2: I'm inclined to agree with you, but it just doesn't feel right to give the match to someone who is essentially running away for most of it, but then again, that's exactly what Orochimaru and Kabuto actually did against Tsunade in the manga. Although, you do have to keep in mind that they only start 15m apart, so in the time it takes to make the seals to summon one of the Boss Frogs she would've already punched a hole through him.

[Uchiha Sora]

Oh god, the things i read on this page made me wanna kill myself.

Anyway, don't see Tsunade winning wiithout Byakugo. And even then she's still vulnerable to frog song. Jiraiya should be able to prep for SM.

Or he could just Sotu.

[Bloodlust]

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Was this necessary?

[JLI2infinity]

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LMAO Old school Spiderman memes are the best.

[CoolerThanIce]

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Are you dissing my thread?`!:)