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Yumi Hyuga Uzumaki
12-23-2012, 06:56 PM
Hinata vs Sakura who do u think who win?:???:

megabbaut
12-23-2012, 07:07 PM
Oh my god. This has been done so many times. Hinata always wins. Her close combat abilities are far superior and she has her airpalms for long distance to keep Sakura at bay.

By the way, this is in the wrong section. This should be in the Narutoverse section.

Yumi Hyuga Uzumaki
12-23-2012, 07:17 PM
i didnt know lol im new

megabbaut
12-23-2012, 07:18 PM
It's alright. Next time you make a thread just check if it's already been posted, and put it in the right section too.

placeinthesun16
01-17-2013, 09:45 PM
no she would not hinata gots her ultimate defence and insane skils for any distance fighting. 8 trigram 64 palms kos sakura for the 1,2,3.

PrinceofPeace
01-17-2013, 09:57 PM
Hinata wins as always hands down
There has never been a time Sakura could beat hinata

Yumi Hyuga Uzumaki
01-23-2013, 12:04 PM
LOL TRUE THAT Hinata can block off sakura's charkra points and then all she has to do is 8 trigrams 64 palms on her and BAM hinata wins. I think hinata would have a good chance of beating sakura if sakura didnt get the first hit on hinata. but hinata is better that close combat then sakura is bc of her gental fists

placeinthesun16
01-23-2013, 04:10 PM
hinata can use defensive chakra shields aswell. shes really good, and can use air attacks.

Shikamaru Nara
01-23-2013, 04:21 PM
Hinata closes off Sakura's pressure points, GG.

PrinceofPeace
01-23-2013, 04:33 PM
guys Hinata CAN NOT USE 6 trigrams palm guard

IT WAS ONLY IN THE ANIME (which does not count)

So debate as if hinata could not do that...please

and she still wins without it

Uchiha Sora
01-23-2013, 05:24 PM
Same as above

Hinata's air palm is invisible. And if its NOT, it was fast enough to blitz Kisame. Either way It's a win-win for Hinata.

Sakura doesn't have any feats to keep her in a CqC match with Hinata. The slightest touches can mess her up.

PrinceofPeace
01-23-2013, 06:06 PM
BMC PLEASE!!! Loook at this thread

Kananda
01-23-2013, 06:25 PM
I'd hate to say it but Sakura wins. Really I know she's been useless lately and everyone hates her but she is the strongest female of her generation. Everyone who says Hinata wins are just saying that cause they are NaruHina fans or they hate Sakura. Training with Tsunade made her outrank a lot of people and she was even praised to be Tsunade's successor. It's just like saying Tsunade is the weakest kage because she hasn't fought in a while.

Uchiha Sora
01-23-2013, 06:33 PM
She was praised to be her successor.. That's true. But she's nowhere near Tsunade's level. She's a very talented medic, but she won't be taking a hyuuga in Taijutsu.

WishfulFairie
01-23-2013, 06:39 PM
I'd hate to say it but Sakura wins. Really I know she's been useless lately and everyone hates her but she is the strongest female of her generation. Everyone who says Hinata wins are just saying that cause they are NaruHina fans or they hate Sakura. Training with Tsunade made her outrank a lot of people and she was even praised to be Tsunade's successor. It's just like saying Tsunade is the weakest kage because she hasn't fought in a while.
Shipping has nothing to do with it.
Sakura is not going to be able to beat Hinata with her close range attacks/taijutsu. And throwing paper bombs won't do much either.

Please tell me how Sakura wins this.

joon61
01-23-2013, 06:47 PM
I think Hinata wins with her gentle fist style fighting. She could stop sakura's flow of chakra.

PrinceofPeace
01-23-2013, 07:54 PM
I'd hate to say it but Sakura wins.
TAKE IT BACKb!:)
Really I know she's been useless lately and everyone hates her but she is the strongest female of her generation.
Temari says HELLO! Here is a list of kunochi stronger than her

-Temari
-Hinata
-TenTen
-Kutschi (grandaugher of Onoki)
e.t.c
Everyone who says Hinata wins are just saying that cause they are NaruHina fans or they hate Sakura.
.. well that AND because Sakura is a one trick pony who can only fight close range while Hinata can fight close/mid range. Plus Hinata has practiced the strongest form of leaf taijutsu
Training with Tsunade made her outrank a lot of people and she was even praised to be Tsunade's successor.
who did she outrank? At the rate Sakura's going she will be lucky to surpass Shizune:geek:
It's just like saying Tsunade is the weakest kage because she hasn't fought in a while.
no I like tsuande and she is the 2nd weakest Hokage (tobirama was the 1st)


Are you sum sort of Sakura fan???

The next time you say someone is stronger PLEASE tell me HOW they win the fight

BMC1994
01-24-2013, 12:03 AM
Same as above

Hinata's air palm is invisible. And if its NOT, it was fast enough to blitz Kisame. Either way It's a win-win for Hinata.

Sakura doesn't have any feats to keep her in a CqC match with Hinata. The slightest touches can mess her up.

Sakura could figure out sasoris attack patterns mid-fight. The direction of her air palms is alot simpler to figure out. Sakura did tank an explosive tag close range so i dont even if she got hit 1 air palm would take her out.

There are some feats during the fight with sasori where chiyo either was knocked down or occupied where sakuras feats are her own.

Sakura reacted and countered a attack by neji-zetsu in the medical camp. on top of that she one-shotted a zetsu. Whcih is more then neji (superior to hinata) can say.

Hinata closes off Sakura's pressure points, GG.

Hinata hasnt shown any canon use of the 64 palms technique. Just like we cant assume sakura suddenly has tsuande level healing/strenght just becuase she trained with her during timeskip, We also cant assume hinata posseses some of neji skills just because of some off panel training.

So for the record hinata has not shown any canon use of the 64 palms or any variations of it. Just air palm and twin lion fists which are featless.



I realize sakura is not the most popular character in fact i dont like her either. But you cant just suddenly give character filler feats when the defaults are canon-only and ignore the actual canon feats.

Hinatas current best TS feat would be air palming some zetsus.( i am not even sure if it was canon).

If she is fast enough to intercept and counter sasoris attack on several occasions she is fast enough to react to an air palm.

Crair Uchiha
01-24-2013, 07:57 AM
Hinata end of story, I will tell you why.

1.) She has the Byakugan
2.) She doesn't just focus on her crush *ahem Sakura you need to give up Sasuke doesn't like you*
3.) She has the palm techniques.
4.) She can do some major damage even without Sakura's 'super woman' strength.

Case closed.

CoolerThanIce
01-24-2013, 08:00 AM
Hasn't this been done already?

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 08:02 AM
Sakura could figure out sasoris attack patterns mid-fight. The direction of her air palms is alot simpler to figure out. Sakura did tank an explosive tag close range so i dont even if she got hit 1 air palm would take her out.
The taijutsu techinques of puppets and taijutus are totally different
Air palms are much more letahl then a paper bomb
Seeing and doding is harder with air palms

There are some feats during the fight with sasori where chiyo either was knocked down or occupied where sakuras feats are her own.
very few

Sakura reacted and countered a attack by neji-zetsu in the medical camp. on top of that she one-shotted a zetsu. Whcih is more then neji (superior to hinata) can say.
the zetsu was not expecting it. Zetsu thought she was good as dead so Sakura got the elemnt of surprise. Plus zetsu is near featless



Hinata hasnt shown any canon use of the 64 palms technique. .
agreed but she does not need it to win
Just like we cant assume sakura suddenly has tsuande level healing/strenght just becuase she trained with her during timeskip, We also cant assume hinata posseses some of neji skills just because of some off panel training.
agreed


So for the record hinata has not shown any canon use of the 64 palms or any variations of it. Just air palm and twin lion fists which are featless.
gentle fist and air palms is enough. SHe has better tiajutsu and ranged


I realize sakura is not the most popular character in fact i dont like her either. But you cant just suddenly give character filler feats when the defaults are canon-only and ignore the actual canon feats.
its not cuz she sucks its cuz she would lose

Hinatas current best TS feat would be air palming some zetsus.( i am not even sure if it was canon).
it was she did it with Neji

If she is fast enough to intercept and counter sasoris attack on several occasions she is fast enough to react to an air palm.
Long ranged attacks and Close ranged attacks are different

When has Sakura dodged close ranged attacks. She sucks at that and was kicked by Omoi

BMC1994
01-24-2013, 08:03 AM
@crair

1.OMG the most useless dojutsu in all of konoha. Everyones doomed now that look of eternal lack of relevance bores any opponent!
2.Character wise i agree sakura s*cks.
3.*Technique, Only canon thing we have seen from her are air palm. And the featless twin lion fists.
4. Like........?

@Prince

I'd say taijutsu of puppets would be superior because they feel no pain and dont have to deal with exhaustion etc. Maybe a little off topic but they should introduce a puppeteer with a puppet specialized in taijutsu.

Very few is still more then hinata which has been my point all this time.

Better taijutsu then busting the entire ground below you? Even gated lee would eat his heart out.
Sure sakura loses in the speed and technique department to rock lee and neji but hinata?

Zetsu had an element of suprise even sakura if anticipated it (which is only a testament to her intelligence) there was something she did not know when he would attack. And she countered it perfectly.

Didnt zetsu catch neji? Thats more then hinatas ever done.

The only thing hinata has going for her is gentle fist internal damage and better vision which doesnt help against someone who casually cracks the ground open.

Sakuras is fast enough to atleast react to her and hinata cant tank 1 hit from sakura.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 08:14 AM
1-Its better than what Sakura has... NOTHING> Combine that usless doijutsu with the best taijutsu style in konoha and you get a formidable foe.
----
THAT IS ALL SHE NEEDS TO WIN after all Sakura has one feat.. PUNCHING

BMC1994
01-24-2013, 08:17 AM
Hinata only feat is air palming so i dont see your point. Maybe the best taijutsu style in konoha (imo gates > gentle fist but thats off topic) but not the best taijutsu user.

Practicing the strongest style(if such a thing would exist) does not mean every user would be the strongest.

Just look at the difference between neji and hinata.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 08:53 AM
I gave you other feats besides air palms which is gentle fist combo taijutsu. SHe kept up with Neji.

Lets stop with all the hype

How does Sakura dodge Hinata's close range taijutsu??? Sakura sucks at doding taijutsu since she got hit by Omoi

BMC1994
01-24-2013, 09:00 AM
She got countered by omoi the attack kinda was directed as karui but omoi went all bruce lee on sakura.

She didnt keep up with neji she got raped by neji. The referee had to stop the fight other we would have no TS version of hinata.

So now everyone who gets hit sucks at close range? How many times did neji hit hinata again? And sakura countered zetsu in a situation where the opponent was armed and sakura was not.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 09:07 AM
the point is SHE DID NOT DODGE! ANd taijutsu is not even Omio's best field

With the page and chapters I gave she almost hit neji and lasted long. SHe even got hit and still kept going!! Of course she lost but she impressed even Neji

Neji is an expert and better in taijutsu than Omoi
You do not need to be armed to be ready to fight. Sakura was ready with her chakra in her fist. Sakura had the element of suprise

The point is
-Sakura mainly tricks people to hit them (how would she trick Hianta)
-Sakura is not as good/experience in close combat
-Sakura does not have mid-ranged attacks

Uchiha Sora
01-24-2013, 12:36 PM
Neji raped Hinata because he was superior in blocking chakra networks. Hinata was holding her own very well against Neji taijutsu wise

BMC1994
01-24-2013, 12:53 PM
If a fight gets so one-sided the referee has to stop the fight you cant call it 'holding your own'.

Edit: Hinatas chakra points were closed before she could even notice it. Again she got thrased hard.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 01:00 PM
why are you downplaying hinata. Sakura could not do anybetter.

And you keep avoiding my battle questions. How does Sakura dodge/hit Hinata cqc??

You have not shown a speed feat faster than PTS Hinata. Hinata was moving as a blur and she made multiple attacks very quickly.
Sakura has never moved that fast

Sakura is not good at taijutsu. She got hit by Omoi.

Sakura has only hit someone if they stopped moving or if they were taken by surprisel. She has NEVER hit someone in a fight where the enemy was expecting an attack.

Please answer that.

BMC1994
01-24-2013, 01:22 PM
If were talking current sakura if she landed the same amount of hits hinata landed on neji (which was not many) neji would be dead. So yes the current sakura would do better.

Powerscaling of sasoris attacks give her enough speed to hit hinata. Reacting to a suprise attack of zetsu give her enough reaction speed to react to hinatas attacks.
Intercepting one of sasoris attacks while protecting chiyo gives sakura enough speed to battle, react to and hit hinata.

Guess what someone using air palm is not moving.
Fine so she takes hinata by suprise.

I fail to see how getting hit by omoi makes you suck at taijutsu. He was considered skilled enough for the ambush squad containing people like kankuro (who has a sasori puppet btw, and sai an former anbu).

The blur is simply a way of drawing. No one else not even bijuu mode naruto has moved like that. The blur is not an indication of the best speed in the series.

athoatho
01-24-2013, 01:53 PM
Both are short range fighters, but Hinata is superior in hand to hand combat, I see Hinata wining.

Crair Uchiha
01-24-2013, 02:01 PM
@crair

1.OMG the most useless dojutsu in all of konoha. Everyones doomed now that look of eternal lack of relevance bores any opponent!
2.Character wise i agree sakura s*cks.
3.*Technique, Only canon thing we have seen from her are air palm. And the featless twin lion fists.
4. Like........?



The Byakugan is not useless, but if that is your opinion I will not say anything against it, everyone has their own opinion.

koshej
01-24-2013, 02:06 PM
^Yup.
Byakugan vs a taijuist that needs to retract her fist to hit = 100% win by dodging.

Maruko
01-24-2013, 02:19 PM
Hinata would rape her.
I don't need to explain.

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-24-2013, 02:22 PM
Hinata wins and she doesn't even need to dodge now that rotation is an official manga feat.

Sakura won't even be able to get close to her thanks to air palms and the gentle fist is the smartest fighting style to try and fight up close with and since Sakura needs direct hits to be most effective then she loses, quite badly actually.

(Personally, why even make this thread at all, it's been expressed many times on this site that Sakura would never be able to beat Hinata in a fight and to make one after Hinata get's more canon feats just seems kind of unfair)

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 02:39 PM
If were talking current sakura if she landed the same amount of hits hinata landed on neji (which was not many) neji would be dead. So yes the current sakura would do better.
i agree.... BUT !!! Sakura is not as fast as PTS NEji. Just because hinata landed some hits does not mean Sakura would.

Powerscaling of sasoris attacks give her enough speed to hit hinata.
no it does not. You are comparing oranges with rocks.
Close range and long ranged attacks are differnt. And again Sakura had help for most of the fight.
Reacting to a suprise attack of zetsu
it was not a surprise. Sakura figured out zetsu was an enemy and destroyed him. She may or may not have known zetsu was going to attack but she did not need to know Cuz sakura knew he was not neji
give her enough reaction speed to react to hinatas attacks.
Intercepting one of sasoris attacks while protecting chiyo gives sakura enough speed to battle, react to and hit hinata.
Not air palms
Sakura was close to Sasori and chiyo. She had plenty of time to get hit. But she failed to save Chiyo. Sasori did not attack quickly with his final move

Guess what someone using air palm is not moving.
too bad sakura just got hit with an air palm
Fine so she takes hinata by suprise.
lol how


I fail to see how getting hit by omoi makes you suck at taijutsu. He was considered skilled enough for the ambush squad containing people like kankuro (who has a sasori puppet btw, and sai an former anbu).
nobody in the ambush squad was good at taijutsu. THey were good at ambusing which is usually mid-long rang attacks with sensors. Omoi was not stated to be good in taijutsu yet he hit sakura. So a person who is good and excels and main skill is in taijutsu has a better chance of hitting Sakura

The blur is simply a way of drawing. No one else not even bijuu mode naruto has moved like that. The blur is not an indication of the best speed in the series.
still does not help Sakura's speed feats when she got hit by Omoi. Plus Sakura has not successfully hit a foe fairly
and
Sakura has not been in much taijutsu fights

So if sakura got hit by Omoi your saying that
Sasoris attacks are slower than Omoi's attack



Again you are the ONLY one for Sakura

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-24-2013, 02:44 PM
Sakura would not be able to dodge gentle fist without being hurt, remember it only needs a glancing blow, not direct hits are required and Sakura would not be able to move fast enough to get out of rang of the chakra blast.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 02:50 PM
Hinata wins and she doesn't even need to dodge now that rotation is an official manga feat.
since when.... what chapter?)


This thread was made by a newbie and cuz SOMEBODY still thinks Sakura would win`@x)

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-24-2013, 02:54 PM
This thread was made by a newbie and cuz SOMEBODY still thinks Sakura would win`@x)

Um about two or three chapters ago when Neji died.

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2013, 02:55 PM
Sakura has one good fight that was against Sasori. Nonetheless that one fights shows her to be superior by a good margin to Hinata. Now ask who is the better character and you will receive a different answer.

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-24-2013, 02:59 PM
How, Sakura's fight against Sasori was great and all, don't get me wrong, but that doesn't make her better than Hinata by miles. First off that fight was mostly fought by Chiyo basically, Sakura would have died against Sasori's tail if it had not been for Chiyo.

Hinata's Rotation was able to block attacks from the 10 tails and by saying that Sakura is stronger than Hinata after that is basically saying that Sakura is stronger than the 10 tails which we all know she is not.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 03:02 PM
Sakura has one good fight that was against Sasori. Nonetheless that one fights shows her to be superior by a good margin to Hinata. Now ask who is the better character and you will receive a different answer.


Yeah it was really cool how....
CHIYO SAVED SAKURA'S ASS MULTIPLE TIMES

Godaime Kazekage
01-24-2013, 03:29 PM
Even without a lot of feats I think Hinata would win. It certainly wouldn't be as easy as some are suggesting though. Air palm is fast, powerful and invisible-not something to be taken lightly. Hinata was able to deflect a fast moving wooden stake and send it back with a lot of force using air palm. Air palm also acts like a Gentle Fist strike and affects the target's chakra network and internal organs. Even if you think Sakura can dodge fast moving invisible attacks Hinata has the advantage in that she can attack Sakura with impunity at range since Sakura has no ranged jutsu.

Now let's assume that Sakura is capable of closing the gap and move on to CQC. Even though he blocked Hinata's chakra points it still took Neji quite a while to land a clean hit on her since the Hyuuga style is all about clean flowing movements and just getting slight attacks to land on your opponent. Hinata even looked like she was controlling the match at the beginning (although Neji was likely focusing on hitting the chakra points in her arms). That said, I can't see Sakura, who telegraphs her punches even getting a single hit off on Hinata before she shuts her down since Hinata practices a style that's all about evading and redirecting your opponents' attack while trying to create a slight opening to get a grazing hit on them. Keep in mind Hinata did get a slight hit off on Neji while avoiding a full contact hit from Neji, and Neji effortlessly shutdown all of Naruto's coordinated shadow clone attacks without taking any damage at the beginning of their fight.

Hinata isn't known to use 64 palms, but Twin Lion Fists or regular gentle fist would also get the job done. Yes, I know the effects of Twin Lion Fists hasn't been shown but I think we can all agree that it must be more effective than regular Gentle Fist which with one hit to the chest can lead an opponent to go into critical condition (Neji vs. Hinata). Hinata also may be able to stop Sakura's super strength because Gentle Fist damages the chakra network and Sakura needs precise chakra control/balance to use the strength and as another application of her newest feat she could dislocate her joints and stop her from punching. Yes, Sakura is good at dodging projectiles (even though she needed Kakashi to save her from the stakes lol), but she's never been shown to have great taijutsu skills. We all assume she's good because her punches are OHKO's, but that won't do much when the opponent can dodge or redirect the punches or cut off the super strength.

Edit: I guess in a nutshell, Hinata's been learning the best taijutsu style in Konoha her entire life and seems to be fairly proficient at it (vs. Neji-dodging and knocking away attacks). Sakura learned from Tsunade for two years and follows her rules of avoiding combat at all cost and only fighting as a last resort. Who is going to be better at CQC?

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 03:46 PM
Even without a lot of feats I think Hinata would win. It certainly wouldn't be as easy as some are suggesting though. Air palm is fast, powerful and invisible-not something to be taken lightly. Hinata was able to deflect a fast moving wooden stake and send it back with a lot of force using air palm. Air palm also acts like a Gentle Fist strike and affects the target's chakra network and internal organs. Even if you think Sakura can dodge fast moving invisible attacks Hinata has the advantage in that she can attack Sakura with impunity at range since Sakura has no ranged jutsu.

Now let's assume that Sakura is capable of closing the gap and move on to CQC. Even though he blocked Hinata's chakra points it still took Neji quite a while to land a clean hit on her since the Hyuuga style is all about clean flowing movements and just getting slight attacks to land on your opponent. Hinata even looked like she was controlling the match at the beginning (although Neji was likely focusing on hitting the chakra points in her arms). That said, I can't see Sakura, who telegraphs her punches even getting a single hit off on Hinata before she shuts her down since Hinata practices a style that's all about evading and redirecting your opponents' attack while trying to create a slight opening to get a grazing hit on them. Keep in mind Hinata did get a slight hit off on Neji while avoiding a full contact hit from Neji, and Neji effortlessly shutdown all of Naruto's coordinated shadow clone attacks without taking any damage at the beginning of their fight.

Hinata isn't known to use 64 palms, but Twin Lion Fists or regular gentle fist would also get the job done. Yes, I know the effects of Twin Lion Fists hasn't been shown but I think we can all agree that it must be more effective than regular Gentle Fist which with one hit to the chest can lead an opponent to go into critical condition (Neji vs. Hinata). Hinata also may be able to stop Sakura's super strength because Gentle Fist damages the chakra network and Sakura needs precise chakra control/balance to use the strength and as another application of her newest feat she could dislocate her joints and stop her from punching. Yes, Sakura is good at dodging projectiles (even though she needed Kakashi to save her from the stakes lol), but she's never been shown to have great taijutsu skills. We all assume she's good because her punches are OHKO's, but that won't do much when the opponent can dodge or redirect the punches or cut off the super strength.

Edit: I guess in a nutshell, Hinata's been learning the best taijutsu style in Konoha her entire life and seems to be fairly proficient at it (vs. Neji-dodging and knocking away attacks). Sakura learned from Tsunade for two years and follows her rules of avoiding combat at all cost and only fighting as a last resort. Who is going to be better at CQC?

^THAT

By feats and hype Hinata wins.
The polls are never wrong when someone is leading by this large of a margin

Overall Sakura can not hit her foe.

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2013, 04:48 PM
Yeah it was really cool how....
CHIYO SAVED SAKURA'S ASS MULTIPLE TIMES

Sakura started fighting the third Kazekage puppet on her own. Sent a massive slab of iron skidding through concrete, avoided get stabbed by iron sand which required decent reactions and intercepted a full blitz intended for chiyo. Those three feats are beyond anything Hinata's has shown. Sakura is all around more powerful. Also lol at the poll people just like Hinata better.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 04:58 PM
Sakura started fighting the third Kazekage puppet on her own.
false. Chiyo still had the chakra strings attached to her! Chiyo even used chakra shields to protect her and chiyo lost an arm doing it.
Sent a massive slab of iron skidding through concrete,
yes she is strong but she only successfully punched things that were
-not expecting it
-not living
-held down
With the bykugan hinata would see the chakara in her fist and it would hard to the expect and attack plus how would sakura hold her down??
avoided get stabbed by iron sand
sakura got hit by iron sand in the end
which required decent reactions and intercepted a full blitz intended for chiyo. Those three feats are beyond anything Hinata's has shown. Sakura is all around more powerful.
just physcially
Also lol at the poll people just like Hinata better.

Find me another poll were a person won by this much though popularity alone...I dare ya.
Plus your "points/references" are not helpful

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 05:00 PM
Can we plz stop with the references. Sakura had chakra strings attached to her for a portion of the fight so those feats were not sakura feats. they were sakura AND Chiyo feats

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2013, 05:02 PM
Can we plz stop with the references. Sakura had chakra strings attached to her for a portion of the fight so those feats were not sakura feats. they were sakura AND Chiyo feats

Chiyo stopped controlling Sakura at a certain point so how about no.Find me another poll were a person won by this much though popularity alone...I dare ya.
Plus your "points/references" are not helpful

It's sakura nobody likes sakura. kishimoto doesnt even like Sakura. That makes the poll invalid.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 05:09 PM
fyi-Sakura punched the iron sand with chakra strings attached to Sakura still (chp269)
SO that is a Sakura/Chyio feat not a Sakura feat

chp. 270 chiyo helps sakura dodge the iron sand world but after that it was sakura by herself

Shikamaru Nara
01-24-2013, 05:15 PM
DL, you troll, you. :ohyou:

Anyway, PoP, I don't really care what the poll says.
Polls are NOT accurate arguments.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 05:18 PM
we both know its not just the polls that make hinata win ;)

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2013, 05:19 PM
fyi-Sakura punched the iron sand with chakra strings attached to Sakura still (chp269)
SO that is a Sakura/Chyio feat not a Sakura feat

chp. 270 chiyo helps sakura dodge the iron sand world but after that it was sakura by herself

That doesn't even matter that is still her power. She created a crater during the bell test against Kakashi.

Chiyo tries to help but gets kocked back Sakura dodges the sand on her own.DL, you troll, you. :ohyou:

Anyway, PoP, I don't really care what the poll says.
Polls are NOT accurate arguments.

Trolling is 2010 I am just posting.:)

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 05:22 PM
That doesn't even matter that is still her power.
yes I agree. Sakura is strong and she hit the sand to make it fly. Yet Chiyor was just controlling her movements. For example!
When Sasori fired all of those senbon it was not Sakura who dodged them it was Chiyo
She created a crater during the bell test against Kakashi.
YES WE GET IT SAKURA IS STRONG!
But Sakura never hit a moving target. How does she hit Hinata? Sakura got own'd in taijutsu by Omoi so how can she beat Hinata

Chiyo tries to help but gets kocked back Sakura dodges the sand on her own.

okay but that does not mean she can dodge air palms or gentle fist in cqc

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-24-2013, 05:23 PM
I'm not going by polls, I'm telling you the facts, Hinata's fighting style is more effective than Sakura's.

You cannot honestly tell me that you believe Sakura can win again Hinata's rotation that deflected attacks from the 10 tails. sure in physical strength Sakura is stronger, but Hinata is just an all around better fighter.

Sakura needs to be able to get a hit to win and she wouldn't be able to get it plain and simple and because of the way the Gentle fist is, it would be impossible for Sakura to Dodge it at all.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 05:25 PM
hinata never rotated on-cannon. It was Neji and Hiashi who did it. Everything else is right though.

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-24-2013, 05:42 PM
Hinata did rotation too, if you look there were three rotations going on and Hinata, Neji and Hiyashi were the only ones protecting Naruto. Neji died, because the spikes got bast the rotation so Hinata stopped and jumped in front of Naruto so he blocked for her.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 05:45 PM
sorry it was just Neji and Hiashi

They were the only 2 shown before and after the rotation

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2013, 05:45 PM
okay but that does not mean she can dodge air palms or gentle fist in cqc

You do know that Sasori iron sand has been compared to Gaara's. Especially how versatile it is. Sakura dodging that is way harder than dodging Hinata's air palms. Not only that Hinata's air palms are not that impressive. Only kyuubi charged Hinata strikes would be dangerous anyway. As far as gentle fist goes going in close range would be in Sakaru's territory.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 05:48 PM
You do know that Sasori iron sand has been compared to Gaara's.
so? Garra's sand is slower
Especially how versatile it is. Sakura dodging that is way harder than dodging Hinata's air palms.
how so? Air palms are barely visable and so they are hard to see to dodge. Plus they are mid-close range attacks so its hard to dodge. Plus they are faster
Not only that Hinata's air palms are not that impressive.
Only kyuubi charged Hinata strikes would be dangerous anyway.
they still hurt an mess up the chakra network. And Hinata can use air palms to keep sakura at bay. Sakura needs to get close to attack
As far as gentle fist goes going in close range would be in Sakaru's territory.
How so?
If close range is sakura's terriotry then why did she get kicked by Omoi??
Hinata is better in taijutsu. she is faster and has more experience.

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-24-2013, 05:55 PM
So you think a Jutsu that can take out a bunch of Zetsu and break stone wouldn't be able to hurt Sakura?

Hinata's gentle fist would be faster than Sasori's iron sand, plus the other effects of the gentle fist makes it impossible for her to actually dodge it.

Sagittarius
01-24-2013, 06:13 PM
Air palms are barely visable and so they are hard to see to dodge. Plus they are mid-close range attacks so its hard to dodge. Plus they are faster
Just wanted to point out that Air Palm focuses on one point of area. Visible or not, it's easy to get the basic idea of which direction it'll form judging by where the user's palm is facing. The difficulty would be in figuring out the distance.

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2013, 06:22 PM
So you think a Jutsu that can take out a bunch of Zetsu and break stone wouldn't be able to hurt Sakura?

Hinata's gentle fist would be faster than Sasori's iron sand, plus the other effects of the gentle fist makes it impossible for her to actually dodge it.

Zetsu is fodder number one and everybody breaks stone.:lol:

What makes you think gentle fist is stronger than iron sand? An attack which is utilized by a akatsuki member and Kage.How so?
If close range is sakura's terriotry then why did she get kicked by Omoi??
Hinata is better in taijutsu. she is faster and has more experience.

Omoi>Sakura>Hinata it breally is that simple.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 06:25 PM
Just wanted to point out that Air Palm focuses on one point of area. Visible or not, it's easy to get the basic idea of which direction it'll form judging by where the user's palm is facing. The difficulty would be in figuring out the distance.

Name someone who dodge Air palms

Then Name someone who got hit by air palms

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-24-2013, 06:26 PM
Hinata would rape her.
I don't need to explain.

you kinda do..considering one is a class 20 brick with super healing powers

and the other..kinda is a useless waif

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 06:28 PM
Zetsu is fodder number one and everybody breaks stone.:lol:
Sakura can not break stones or destroy zetsu from a distance :D

What makes you think gentle fist is stronger than iron sand? An attack which is utilized by a akatsuki member and Kage.

Omoi>Sakura>Hinata it breally is that simple.
Are you serious ^^^^^

You REALLY think Hinata wouls lose to Omoi??? Especially in taijutsu?!?!?!?!!?:shock:

Omoi could not even keep up with a PTS Neji.

I hope your not serious!

Omi has no knowledge of air palms so that would take him out quickly. With the bykugan she can clearly see what the sword is really doing

Sakura fails at taijutsu. Hinata does not

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-24-2013, 06:34 PM
Zetsu is fodder number one and everybody breaks stone.:lol:

What makes you think gentle fist is stronger than iron sand? An attack which is utilized by a akatsuki member and Kage.

Omoi>Sakura>Hinata it breally is that simple.

What makes it better is that it is faster, that it not only hurts you on the outside, but it tears up you chakra network and your internal organs, that it disrupts your chakra so that you can't preform jutsu or mold chakra properly.

All the iron sand is, is a physical attack.

Also rather everyone can break stone or not, i still don't see how that makes Sakura immune from being hurt by it.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 06:43 PM
you kinda do..considering one is a class 20 brick with super healing powers

and the other..kinda is a useless waif

DOnt't mind that nube there were other nubes doing the exact same for Sakura

Look at my post and HH and athota and others

We gave info with chps. while most others did not. BMC is the only valid debater trying to support Sakura


IWD, do you think Sakura would win???

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2013, 07:34 PM
Are you serious ^^^^^

You REALLY think Hinata wouls lose to Omoi??? Especially in taijutsu?!?!?!?!!?:shock:

Omoi could not even keep up with a PTS Neji.

I hope your not serious!

Omi has no knowledge of air palms so that would take him out quickly. With the bykugan she can clearly see what the sword is really doing

Sakura fails at taijutsu. Hinata does not

Omoi was capable of engaing Naruto in combat. Even in base Naruto is still well above a good portion of the characters in the series in reaction speed and technique. Yet you say pts Neji has a shot at him no.....What makes it better is that it is faster, that it not only hurts you on the outside, but it tears up you chakra network and your internal organs, that it disrupts your chakra so that you can't preform jutsu or mold chakra properly.

All the iron sand is, is a physical attack.

Also rather everyone can break stone or not, i still don't see how that makes Sakura immune from being hurt by it.

How is it faster nothing in the story supports that at all.

Solid iron moving at high speed. With a shape shifting function. Linear air blast stands up to this how?

I never said she wouldn't be hurt. I implied that she can take it. She also can heal herself on the fly.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 07:48 PM
Omoi was capable of engaing Naruto in combat. Even in base Naruto is still well above a good portion of the characters in the series in reaction speed and technique.
again are you kidding??? Naruto was holding back. He did not want to fight. Plus he just got beaten to a plup by the kumo girl. That was not base naruto at his best
Yet you say pts Neji has a shot at him no.....
YES! Even base Naruto does not have any notetable taijutsu feats. He just attacks willy nilly.

How is it faster nothing in the story supports that at all.
what is faster than what
Solid iron moving at high speed. With a shape shifting function. Linear air blast stands up to this how?
chiyo protected Sakura from all Iron sand moves. Sakura got hit by one sand move. Thus Sakura is not better than the sand

I never said she wouldn't be hurt. I implied that she can take it. She also can heal herself on the fly.

Name someone who can keep fighting after being hit by a hyuuga.
Sakura has to stand still to heal herself bud b:|

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2013, 07:59 PM
Name someone who can keep fighting after being hit by a hyuuga.

Pfft Name a hyuuga actually hitting somebody of worth in the story.

Sakura has to stand still to heal herself bud b:

Which doesn't take that long. Not only that you are under the assumption she will be tagged. Iron sand in an all out blitz didn't even tag her. Hinata does something Sasori couldn't. Yeah ok good luck pushing that point.

Anyways Base Naruto's half ass taijutsu>Omoi >Sakura> Hinata. Base Naruto reacted to and countered Kakashi straight up at the beginning of part 2. He is even faster and more skilled when he went up against Omoi. So yeah there is that.

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-24-2013, 08:04 PM
I'm not talking about the Air palms I mean the Gentle fist combat style in general. I watched Sakura's fight with Sasori and the sand was no nearly that fast, in fact when she was knocking the sand back it was down right slow.

And Sakura has never been able to heal herself or others while on the go, she has always had to stand still. Ao where is this on the fly stuff you're talking about coming from?

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 08:05 PM
-Neji hit Kisame clone (30%)
-PTS Neji hit PTS Naruto
-PTS Neji hit Kidomaru
-Hinta and Neji hit each other
-Neji and Hinata hit Zetsu


Now if you would be so kind as to answer my first question

It takes longer to heal your chakra points and organs. Not simple cuts.
Iron Sand DID hit Sakura. It scratched her face

You are just making stuff up with that last coment

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-24-2013, 08:09 PM
Maruko isn't a newb he makes uninformed mistakes sometimes but he's a good poster he just needs some work but that's true for most of us.

As to my opinion on the fight? Both are terrible characters and I'd much rather not but if I had to pick I'd go with the one who has a healing factor has superior chakra control and can punch her opponent so hard she could rupture every major organ in her torso with a rather casual blow.

Hinata has moves, that are not on entirely Neji's level and it'd be debatable if he'd be able to incapacitate someone who learned directly from a person who could regenerate heart cells and restart a near dead one in the heat of battle with a sword sticking out of her chest.

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-24-2013, 08:14 PM
See I hear what you're saying, but as Tsunade's student Sakura IMO is a big disappointment who hasn't shown anything near what Tsunade can do.

Rather Sakura can heal or not, healing internal organs and a damaged charka network would not be easy, especially since she needs chakra to heal.

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2013, 08:17 PM
I'm not talking about the Air palms I mean the Gentle fist combat style in general. I watched Sakura's fight with Sasori and the sand was no nearly that fast, in fact when she was knocking the sand back it was down right slow.

And Sakura has never been able to heal herself or others while on the go, she has always had to stand still. Ao where is this on the fly stuff you're talking about coming from?

Did you see the part where chiyo gets Knocked back and Sasori launches thousand of Iron like spikes at her. She dodges all that on her own coming out with just scratches. Gentle fist needs to land and even then it takes alot to put certain characters down with it. Sakura needs just one blow game over.

It didn't take her long to heal her wounds during her fight with Sasori. Standing still is not even an issue it's not like Hinata can stream a continous blows constantly the entire fight. She would die of chakra exhaustion. This of course if the attacks land.See I hear what you're saying, but as Tsunade's student Sakura IMO is a big disappointment who hasn't shown anything near what Tsunade can do.

Rather Sakura can heal or not, healing internal organs and a damaged charka network would not be easy, especially since she needs chakra to heal.

Kabuto did it casually on Hinata.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 08:19 PM
THIS IS HOW THE BATTLE GOES!!!

Sakura and Hinata are in the Konoha crater with 24hr Prep

That means Sakura has: Posion,Kunai, Sleep Bombs, Tanto, Anditode
and
Hinata has:Her clans ointment

Let's keep in mind that the posion kunai is easy to dodge. Hinata can dodge it. Clash it with HInata's kunai or destroy it with air palms

Same goes for the Tanto

Sakura only used the sleep bomb successfully when she tricked her foe.... how would sakura trick HInata??? Hinata can hold her breath and move out of the way or destroy it with air palms.

So overall the weapons are useless.

Next, Sakura does not have a chance to win this battle anyway but CLOSE RANGED
she is only a cqc fighere

BUT!!!!!!1

Hinata is a close AND MID-RANGED fighter! Hinata can use Air Palms to keep sakura at bay. They are hard to see. Sakura has no feats doding attacks she can not see. Air Palms is a jutsu that effects the victim chakra/organs. Sakura has not done healing level on that level to herself.
So Hinata is at the advantage

Now for close range.
Sakura is not good at taijutsu. She got overwhelmed by Omoi who is not the ideal taijutsu user. Plus Sakura has a pattern when she attacks.
SHe either charges up and someties yells when she attacks.
SHe has never hit an actual opponent without the element of surpirse or help.
Sakura has no help here and how would sakura surprise Hinata?!?!!?!?!?

On the other hand

Hinata's main fighting style is Taijutsu. SHe practiced the strongest form of taijutsu in the leaf. She practiced with 2 of the greatest hyuuga's in the village. She kept up with Neji who is a year older. She withstood some of his hits as well.
Sakura is not as fast as Hinata so it would be hard to hit Hinata. HInata does not need a clean hit to do damage. She can almost hit sakura and do some serious damage.

So when Sakura goes in for the hit HInata can
a) get an arms length away then use Air Palms close range
b)get in close and try to dodge and hit Sakura with gentle fist

Sakura only has one way to attack.
Saskue is also a trained medic who is not used to fighting. She has been trained to stay back and watch. As taught by Tsuande

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2013, 08:22 PM
-Neji hit Kisame clone (30%)
-PTS Neji hit PTS Naruto
-PTS Neji hit Kidomaru
-Hinta and Neji hit each other
-Neji and Hinata hit Zetsu


Now if you would be so kind as to answer my first question

It takes longer to heal your chakra points and organs. Not simple cuts.
Iron Sand DID hit Sakura. It scratched her face

You are just making stuff up with that last coment

Yeah my point exactly a pts neji and Hinata are trash compared to the standards of part 2. Then you named Zetsu. Nobody you named can even handle a basic jonin except maybe neji. Even then his feats are lacking.:lol:

What question would that be?

Kabuto did it casually during the chunin exams.

Not really it is all canon. You are just reaching hard.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 08:23 PM
Maruko isn't a newb he makes uninformed mistakes sometimes but he's a good poster he just needs some work but that's true for most of us.
DL is not doing much better by saying Omoi is better at taijutsu than Hinata

As to my opinion on the fight? Both are terrible characters and I'd much rather not but if I had to pick I'd go with the one who has a healing factor
sakura can only heal if she stands still which leads her open for attack
has superior chakra control
so does Hinata
and can punch her opponent so hard she could rupture every major organ in her torso with a rather casual blow.
too bad she never hit her foe without help or the element of surprise. Hinata has hit her foe before and without conditions. She is faster and more experienced in taijutsu. Plus she can fight mid-ranged

Hinata has moves, that are not on entirely Neji's level and it'd be debatable if he'd be able to incapacitate someone who learned directly from a person who could regenerate heart cells and restart a near dead one in the heat of battle with a sword sticking out of her chest.

Sakura got owned by Omoi who barley has feats.
Sakura can not last in cqc
Sakura is slow and has to charge up her attacks
She is not used to fighting because she is a medic
Long ranged fighers>>>.Mid range fighters>>>.Short ranged fighters

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 08:25 PM
Yeah my point exactly a pts neji and Hinata are trash compared to the standards of part 2. Then you named Zetsu. Nobody you named can even handle a basic jonin except maybe neji. Even then his feats are lacking.:lol:
sakura only took down one zetsu to Neji's and Hinata's many they took down

What question would that be?
Name someonefighting after being hit by a hyuuga. who can keep

Kabuto did it casually during the chunin exams.
everyone knows Sakura is not on his level

Not really it is all canon. You are just reaching hard.

what proof do you have??

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-24-2013, 08:27 PM
Kabuto's chakra network had not been damaged by the gentle fist so that isn't even a good argument for this. the Gentle fist doesn't need a direct hit, only a glancing blow is required and Sakura is not fast enough to dodge the chakra blast.

I've seen the Hyuuga's fight, they can fight for a very long time without any problems and Sakura's fighting style is so simple that anyone can and has for the most part dodged it, so a fighting style based on defense, evasion and redirection should have no problem.

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2013, 08:36 PM
Stop mentioning Zetsu likes it's a feat it's trash.

Hinata took it and kept fighting. Naruto took it and kept fighting s.

Your proof of Sakura healing abilities being weaker than Kabuto's? She found and neutralized a complicated poison even a veteran like chiyo couldn't counter.

Bro you are just going in circles. It really is simple Sakura is trash but Hinata is the trash underneath the trash. Hinata has no feats except getting effed up. Sakura is the same but her one fight>Hinata trashy fighting career.Kabuto's chakra network had not been damaged by the gentle fist so that isn't even a good argument for this. the Gentle fist doesn't need a direct hit, only a glancing blow is required and Sakura is not fast enough to dodge the chakra blast.

I've seen the Hyuuga's fight, they can fight for a very long time without any problems and Sakura's fighting style is so simple that anyone can and has for the most part dodged it, so a fighting style based on defense, evasion and redirection should have no problem.

He healed Hinata's network not his.

So is Hinata's there is nothing complicated about hinata's fighting style at all.

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-24-2013, 08:40 PM
Hinata' fighting style says logically that she would win when you compare both of their fighting styles. Sakura is no Naruto so don't even try to compare her to him. and both Hinata and Naruto couldn't use her chakra afterwords. Plus all of the people Hinata fought have always been WAY stonger than the people in Sakura's fight that Sakura would have been owned by so comparing their fighting history doesn't say much.

So then tell me how would Sakura heal herself with her chakra network damaged, Hinata's fighting style is more complicated than Sakura's that's for sure. all you need to know about Sakura's is that if you get hit, it will probably break a bone, but if you dodge it, even by a little you're safe. Hinata's if it hits you, it will bruse your body, damage your chakra network and tear up you internal organs. If you dodge it then you are still at risk of being damaged by glacing blow that didn't even directly touch you now tell me which one sounds more complicated to you?

that's my point, Sakura's healing and strength all come from her chakra, so without it she is boned.

Devils Lawyer
01-24-2013, 08:57 PM
Hinata' fighting style says logically that she would win when you compare both of their fighting styles. Sakura is no Naruto so don't even try to compare her to him. and both Hinata and Naruto couldn't use her chakra afterwords. Plus all of the people Hinata fought have always been WAY stonger than the people in Sakura's fight that Sakura would have been owned by so comparing their fighting history doesn't say much.

So then tell me how would Sakura heal herself with her chakra network damaged, Hinata's fighting style is more complicated than Sakura's that's for sure. all you need to know about Sakura's is that if you get hit, it will probably break a bone, but if you dodge it, even by a little you're safe. Hinata's if it hits you, it will bruse your body, damage your chakra network and tear up you internal organs. If you dodge it then you are still at risk of being damaged by glacing blow that didn't even directly touch you now tell me which one sounds more complicated to you?

that's my point, Sakura's healing and strength all come from her chakra, so without it she is boned.

Actually it doesn't especially when She has the ability to put Hinata down with one blow. Nor does it help that Hinata is a close range fighter. Also their is an assumption Sakura is limited to just her fist. She also uses poison and sleeping gas.

Hinata doesn't have anything to put Sakura down immediately. She is not Neji she cant close all the receptors down in one attack. Sakura even glances a blow on her she dies. Sakura's evasive skills are also on another level compared to Hinata's attacks. This is essentially a canon vs a slignshot match imo.

PrinceofPeace
01-24-2013, 09:01 PM
are you gonna counter what I said any time soon DL??

321zigzag3
01-24-2013, 09:28 PM
A minor female character with expanded role vs a main female character with diminished role

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/3564/1278959545809.gif

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-24-2013, 10:00 PM
Sakura got owned by Omoi who barley has feats.

low end showings don't count read the rules

Sakura can not last in cqc

abject nonsense not supported by canon


Sakura is slow and has to charge up her attacks

so is Hinata and before you try and powerscale her to Neiji.don't power scaling is not valid unless evidence supports it abc logic is also invalid

She is not used to fighting because she is a medic

her battles against kakashi and Sasori, attempting to assassinate eyeball boy and numerous other showings disagree with you


Long ranged fighers>>>.Mid range fighters>>>.Short ranged fighters

not when one can toss around over twenty tons..and the other is a featless emo chick

also Hotorubi Hyuuga you need to prove to DL Hinata can damage Sakura beyond her formidable skills to repair

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-24-2013, 10:01 PM
so yeah I rarely enter this section because..well Naruto is absolute garbage but on average how often do you guys have to deal with POP's dozen page refuse to listen and stonewall type threads?

asking as a debater first..and a mod second

Heji Oka
01-25-2013, 12:07 AM
It's Hinatas win.

With what we have seen from Sakura her feats just don't match up for her to win this fight. Sakura has been shown to have impressive healing but that is only when she has the time to do so. In a fight against someone whose main fighting style is to fight close quarters and the gentle fist at that there is no time.

Now it can be assumed that because she worked under the Hokage that she knows of the byakugan blind spot and even that she knows how to construct traps that it can't see but without proof this is only speculation.

Thanks to Hinatas byakugan and how far she can see with it even if Sakura tries to get away to attempt to heal she'll be found.

Sakuras best and only chance is to dodge Hinatas attacks and then plant one of her own. The only problem is that Sakuras dodging isn't proven very well. Her only dodging feat seems to come from the Sasori fight but as shown in that fight she was only able to most of the battle because of Chiyo. After memorizing Sasoris finger movements to predict his sand, once she knew the pattern she did not try to dodge anymore but instead deflect the sand. Now you go from her dodging “feat” in that fight to the fact that she couldn't dodge Kabutos flying body when blasted back by Naruto. If it is to be believed that she can dodge so well on her own then please explain why she was able to “dodge” Sasori but couldn't dodge a body flying through the air, Her dodging “feat” is not consistent.

Sakura is only given dodging not because she has demonstrated it but because by definition a medical ninja are supposed to dodge. However even the ninja medic who came up with this rule (even though her circumstances are different) even Tsunade doesn't dodge most attacks.

While it can be assumed that Sakuras punch can kill in one punch it has yet to be shown, with the only two people that she has hit in the manga being Sasori and Zetsu neither were killed in one blow. Now sure Sasori was a puppet and she was trying to question Zetsu so you can say that's why she didn't kill in one hit but until it is shown she can kill in one hit this is only an assumption.

On top of all this she hasn't been shown to use tools except for the one explosive tag in the Sasori fight so you can't really say she would use it here and in what way. So she doesn't have any way to attempt to distract Hinatas eye.

Also it can be argued that Hinata has more battle experience than Sakura seeing as she has been fighting most of the war. While it was deemed that Sakura would serve better as a medic than a fighter. While it can be argued that because she was a medic that she should spend her time healing then what of Ino who in truth is not as good as Sakura but a medic all the same was fighting. Now while it can be said that Ino wasn't at Sakuras level so that is why she wasn't made a medic it was also shown that most of the medics there were not of Sakuras level.

Hinata has been shown to take decent amounts of damage where as Sakura has not. The gentle fist style requires the user to have good reflexes and can send chakra into the opponents body to cause damage to internal organs. This means that sakuras straight forward fighting style would get her killed since she is not deceptive during her fights and instead shows you all of what she will do.

In the end the match up in styles is too different while Sakura's attacks can be dodge easily since there is no deception in her style or speed, Hinatas moves don't have to make contactshe would only need a glancing blow to harm Sakura.

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 04:50 AM
????

How is being hit by Omoi not cannon?

HInata has hit her opponents before without help... Sakura has not. Also Hianta's moevemtns are not as easy to read. Hinata can keep a mid distance and use Air Palms. Plus she does not yell before her strikes.

Sakura's battles support my proof that Sakura has low battling experience. She was alwasy back up (for Naruto and Chiyo) and she could not finish off her foes (Saskue)

If Sakura can only fight short range and if Hinata is a mid range fighter than Sakura is not going to get close up. It does not matter how strong she is especially when their speed is near equal

koshej
01-25-2013, 04:57 AM
I've seen a FILLER (I guess, hear out the details) fight where Sakura fought actually nice:
She pretended to be poisoned or sleeping (?), and when the opponent (a kunoichi) tried to kill her by a kunai into the stomach, it was just a Kawarimi with a log.
And then Sakura PUNCHED her into the ground.
Fine and dandy, but:
1. Not a significant foe (I have no idea who that even was, see above).
2. If we take this, we should also take Hinata getting the magnet dude.
(Um, and Shugohakke, which alone makes Sakura sulk in the corner...)
3. I do think that both examples are FILLER anyways, so we need other examples.

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 07:54 AM
????

How is being hit by Omoi not cannon?

It was a low end for one that happened in one scene. They didn't even fight as you pointed out with Naruto.

HInata has hit her opponents before without help... Sakura has not. Also Hianta's moevemtns are not as easy to read. Hinata can keep a mid distance and use Air Palms. Plus she does not yell before her strikes.

Actually Sakura crushed a full blitzing third Kazekage puppet with no help. A full blitzing third Kazekage puppet is a few times faster than Hinata. She also blocked an all out attack from Sasori no help.

Sakura's battles support my proof that Sakura has low battling experience. She was alwasy back up (for Naruto and Chiyo) and she could not finish off her foes (Saskue)

She was back up because her opponents were all high level mass murderers. Hinata was fighting Zetsu.:lol:
If Sakura can only fight short range and if Hinata is a mid range fighter than Sakura is not going to get close up. It does not matter how strong she is especially when their speed is near equal

Sakura fist are capable of changing the landscape. Not only that Hinata has nothing to keep Sakura away. Hinata is less likely to hit Sakura first.Even she does she can't even finsih the job. Sakura is faster anyways she just rushes Hinata and smashes her.
Lol I still can't beleive you said that Naruto is weak at using taijutsu. :lol:

Uchiha Sora
01-25-2013, 08:01 AM
Hinata held her own against Neji despite having a complete mental breakdown right before the fight. At the time she lost not due to being inferior in taijutsu but because Neji was better at blocking chakra than her which won't be a problem with Sakura.

After her chakra was blocked she couldn't do anything.

Sakura is only strong when she focuses chakra to her fists, Hinata would even be able to see her do it with Byakugan and predict her attacks easier.

Sakura can't heal or use her chakra strength with her chakra flow blocked by slight grazes

Air palm isn't particularly powerful but it helps Hinata keep Sakura in check.

BMC1994
01-25-2013, 08:19 AM
Hinata has shown no canon use of 64 palms or any variation of it. So she wont be blocking any chakra. Just internal damage from gentle fist.

And read the fight again she got raped , hard. If hinata wasnt inferior in taijutsu she wouldnt have gotten her chakra blocked in the first place.

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-25-2013, 08:24 AM
Actually it doesn't especially when She has the ability to put Hinata down with one blow. Nor does it help that Hinata is a close range fighter. Also their is an assumption Sakura is limited to just her fist. She also uses poison and sleeping gas.

Hinata doesn't have anything to put Sakura down immediately. She is not Neji she cant close all the receptors down in one attack. Sakura even glances a blow on her she dies. Sakura's evasive skills are also on another level compared to Hinata's attacks. This is essentially a canon vs a slignshot match imo.

Poison tags and sleeping gas wouldn't work, not when Hinata see's her as an enemy in this fight, that only worked because those people trusted her and were not expecting it. Also, not once in manga has it shown Sakura take anyone down with one hit, her movements are easy to dodge.

Not Hinata can't block chakra points as far as we know, but gentle fist style itself damages the chakra network and tears up you internal organs. Sakura has only dodged long ranged moves, she has never dodged at close quarters before and a glacing blow means that the person has not physically touched you so if Sakura does a glaceing blow, it does nothing, but if Hinata does it, her chakra can still get you.

IWD It's just logic, the gentle fist style description says that it damages your chakra network and tears up your internal organs. Sakura needs chakra to heal and use her strength. not ounce has it been proven that anyone could heal properly with a damaged chakra network or heal their own chakra network, it has always been done, by someone else who's chakra network was completely fine.

Uchiha Sora
01-25-2013, 08:28 AM
@BMC I did re-read the fight. And what you just said doesn't make sense. Hinata kept up in physical taijutsu but lost because Neji was better at using the gentle fist/blocking chakra. Thing is even if you guard against the gentle fist you still get your chakra blocked.

Also you don't need 64 palms to mess up the chakra network.

BMC1994
01-25-2013, 08:29 AM
@hotarubi
-Zetsu

-Not an english expert but i thought glancing meant slightly touching your opponent. kinda scraping the surface :S , She effectively dodged and countered zetsu.

Not the best feat ever but its still more then hinata has shown.
Also being able to intercept the third kazekage's puppet's attack should make her fast enough to dodge most if not all what hinata can throw at her.

-Wasnt that it damages the internal organs by flowing your chakra into the opponents network i dont think it actually damages / destroys the chakra network.

@sora

How did she keep up again 3 jonin had to interfere to prevent hinata from getting killed. Neji overall is a superior version of hinata. Hinata lost simply because shes a weaker version of neji which cant block chakra.

You do idk if the translation i read was correct but what i read went along the lines of:

-Damaging internal organs through 'flowing' your chakra into opponent chakra network.
-Accelrate, slow down or just completely stop the chakra flow by closing the tenketsu/chakra point.

Where did it say that it inheritly damages the chakra network?

Uchiha Sora
01-25-2013, 08:51 AM
@sora

How did she keep up again 3 jonin had to interfere to prevent hinata from getting killed. Neji overall is a superior version of hinata. Hinata lost simply because shes a weaker version of neji which cant block chakra.

You do idk if the translation i read was correct but i went along the lines of:

-Damaging internal organs through 'flowing' your chakra into opponent chakra network.
-Accelrate, slow down or just completely stop the chakra flow by closing the tenketsu/chakra point.

Where did it say that it inheritly damages the chakra network?
You mean after her chakra was blocked? Kurenai said she was at her limit, she had been coughing up blood and everything. She couldn't even use gentle fist anymore and she could barely stand at that point.

The only deciding blows he landed were after her chakra was blocked and she couldn't do anything.

I'm doubting myself now though because while its likely that Hinata can see chakra points now, its never been stated or proven that she could see them

Using gentle fist logic/scaling, Twin lion fists should be able to bust someone's heart in one shot but its featless so :lol:

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 09:15 AM
Lol I still can't beleive you said that Naruto is weak at using taijutsu.
Again you dont listen your just twisitng my words. Naruto was holding back and was beaten to a plup. He was not going hard.

As for your other points

It was in the manga so its is cannon

but she tricked sasori. How is she going to trick Hinata
:lol:

Seriously dude Hinata wins with her knowledge of her she is not getting tricked

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 09:16 AM
And read the fight again she got raped , hard. If hinata wasnt inferior in taijutsu she wouldnt have gotten her chakra blocked in the first place.


It was nto that she was inferior or weak it is that Neji was a year older and had more experience/determination

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 10:39 AM
Hinata held her own against Neji despite having a complete mental breakdown right before the fight. At the time she lost not due to being inferior in taijutsu but because Neji was better at blocking chakra than her which won't be a problem with Sakura.

Neji didn't even go all out. His speed was clearly on another level considering he was capable of going against a kyuubi Naruto. That form of Naruto was capable of manhandling Haku. Sakura has evasive skills.

After her chakra was blocked she couldn't do anything.
Neji didn't even get a scratch not a good example.

Sakura is only strong when she focuses chakra to her fists, Hinata would even be able to see her do it with Byakugan and predict her attacks easier.
That doesn't mean she can counter it if Sakura moves in close range Hinata speed sucks. Probably barely a step above Ino if above Ino at all.

Sakura can't heal or use her chakra strength with her chakra flow blocked by slight grazes

You have to seal the network completely to stop chakra flow. Naruto and Hinat proves this fact.
Air palm isn't particularly powerful but tickles keep Sakura in check.
Air palm does what tickle I agree.:lol:

BMC1994
01-25-2013, 10:45 AM
It was nto that she was inferior or weak it is that Neji was a year older and had more experience/determination

Did you forget the flashback where hinata was compared to her 5 year old sister. At that point in time she was weak even by the standards of people her age.

@Sora.

Neji wasnt even serious other wise he wouldve kaiten'd her ass out of the arena .

Blocked or not blocked there was no chance hinata would win that fight. And she didnt hold her own. Hiantas was coughing blood looking roughed up etc while neji looked the same as before the match started. Again thats not my definition of holding your own.

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 10:48 AM
Poison tags and sleeping gas wouldn't work, not when Hinata see's her as an enemy in this fight, that only worked because those people trusted her and were not expecting it. Also, not once in manga has it shown Sakura take anyone down with one hit, her movements are easy to dodge.
Not really a poison laced Kunai just needs a scratch and sleeping gas only needs to be inhaled. It would be different if she could rotate. Also Sakura is only slow compared to who she has been fighting Sasori Jonin (also mass murderer of jonins) and Omoi also a jonin. Considering she could even follow Sasori movement to extent makes Hinata automatically a non threat.

[B].Not Hinata can't block chakra points as far as we know, but gentle fist style itself damages the chakra network and tears up you internal organs. Sakura has only dodged long ranged moves, she has never dodged at close quarters before and a glacing blow means that the person has not physically touched you so if Sakura does a glaceing blow, it does nothing, but if Hinata does it, her chakra can still get y

Again she has dodged at close quarters that Iron sand Blitz from Sasori was the third Kazekage Puppets fastest attack. She did it on her own without chiyo. Hence flashback then plot induced skill upgrade. Also you fail to realize no one dies automatically against gentle fist it requires consective hits.

Godaime Kazekage
01-25-2013, 10:50 AM
@BMC: Gentle Fist damages the internal organs because they are connected to the chakra pathway system which the Hyuuga's target with their Byakugan so it would be damaged. This could be enough to throw off Sakura's strength since she needs perfect control to use it. 64 palms cuts off all chakra use entirely, it isn't the only Gentle Fist technique that affects the chakra network.

@Devil's Lawyer: You really seem to have this Part II instantly defeats Part I mindset which may work for characters like Naruto and Sasuke, but PTS Neji would still rape nearly all of the Part II characters in a taijutsu battle-his feats against Naruto and Kidomaru are pretty insane. Hinata kept up with him just fine in the beginning of the battle and none of the onlookers could tell that he had blocked her chakra points either-it wasn't Hinata being bad, just Neji being ridiculously good. You also keep spouting on about Sakura reacting to Iron Sand, but the only time she did that without Chiyo's help was against the massive blocks after she had analyzed Sasori's attack patterns- somehow dodging linear moving large objects doesn't seem all that impressive to me. If you want to talk about recent reactions, despite Sakura's "amazing evasion" she had to be saved by Kakashi against Obito's wooden spikes whereas Hinata defended Naruto from them.

Edit: @IWD: Where are you getting the idea that Sakura has amazing healing skills and durability on par with Tsunade? She learned from her-that's it. It's laughable that people are saying you can't give Hinata Neji's feats and they're trying to give Sakura Tsunade's. And good luck healing while be actively engaged by a CQC fighter.

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 10:52 AM
Seriously dude Hinata wins with her knowledge of her she is not getting tricked

Doesn't matter Sasori still was moving his puppet at full speed. Sakura straight up clocked it. That puppet speed is massively greater than Hinata's. Also a trick is a trick. You can still know when is coming and still get caught. Which comes to my next point Sakura's intelligence>>>>Hinata's.

Godaime Kazekage
01-25-2013, 10:54 AM
Doesn't matter Sasori still was moving his puppet at full speed. Sakura straight up clocked it. That puppet speed is massively greater than Hinata's. Also a trick is a trick. You can still know when is coming and still get caught. Which comes to my next point Sakura's intelligence>>>>Hinata's.

Book smarts, that's about it. Thinking she could take out Sasuke with a kunai. lololol

Doesn't matter Sasori still was moving his puppet at full speed. Sakura straight up clocked it. That puppet speed is massively greater than Hinata's. Also a trick is a trick. You can still know when is coming and still get caught. Which comes to my next point Sakura's intelligence>>>>Hinata's.

Really, you're going to go with that...:roll: A baseball player can hit a fastball if the pitcher tells them I'm throwing it at this speed and right in this spot. Doesn't mean they can fight against an MMA pro. What makes you think 3rd Kazekage puppet is particularly fast anyway?

Book smarts, that's about it. Thinking she could take out Sasuke with a kunai. lololol

BMC1994
01-25-2013, 11:01 AM
@Godaime

Yes but it never has been said it damages the chakra network it self. If they just could damage the chakra network beyond repair 64 palms wouldnt such a big deal in the first place.

Examples like naruto who got their chakra but was still able to make full use of the kyuubi chakra which would fail if the chakra system was damaged which it should be because neji manhandled naruto in the beginning of that fight.

Double checked and in the chapter where gentle fist is explained they clearly talk about flowing chakra into the opponents inner system to damage inner organs. They utilise the chakra stream they do not damage it(which would remove the entire basis of gentle fist).

Flowing chakra (through their palms) into your opponents system to dispel genjutsu does not damage the network either.

Hinata failed to protect naruto in time , remember the reason neji died?

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 11:02 AM
@Devil's Lawyer: You really seem to have this Part II instantly defeats Part I mindset which may work for characters like Naruto and Sasuke, but PTS Neji would still rape nearly all of the Part II characters in a taijutsu battle-his feats against Naruto and Kidomaru are pretty insane. Hinata kept up with him just fine in the beginning of the battle and none of the onlookers could tell that he had blocked her chakra points either-it wasn't Hinata being bad, just Neji being ridiculously good. You also keep spouting on about Sakura reacting to Iron Sand, but the only time she did that without Chiyo's help was against the massive blocks after she had analyzed Sasori's attack patterns- somehow dodging linear moving large objects doesn't seem all that impressive to me. If you want to talk about recent reactions, despite Sakura's "amazing evasion" she had to be saved by Kakashi against Obito's wooden spikes whereas Hinata defended Naruto from them.
First of all you pts Neji standing up to the test of time is proven how? The characters are few times faster than anything in part 1. The art style takes away from that fact. Also proof of Hinata being a good fighter waiting on that one for real. Who has she fought Neji decimated her casually.

Next up chiyo clearly says in chapter 270 pg 8 that Sakura was the one seeing through Sasori's attack patterns. Chiyo was hardly helping. Hence the flashback of Sakura training happening on the next page. That right there is called reading comprehension. Don't just take what you want from the story use it all. Chiyo was hardly controlling Sakura. During Iron sand world Chiyo Panicked because she could move her fast enough Sakura dodged that. Sakura dodge it.

Then you use wooden spikes as a evasion technique. Lol every other fodder is doing that. That goes right up there with zetsu.:lol:

Uchiha Sora
01-25-2013, 11:03 AM
@GK You deleted your double post while i was in the process of merging them and then the posts got deleted so i undeleted it :lol:

Godaime Kazekage
01-25-2013, 11:07 AM
@GK You deleted your double post while i was in the process of merging them and then the posts got deleted so i undeleted it :lol:

Haha-I was going to ask for a merge, but then I thought "I'll just copy paste and delete". Thanks.

First of all you pts Neji standing up to the test of time is proven how? The characters are few times faster than anything in part 1. The art style takes away from that fact. Also proof of Hinata being a good fighter waiting on that one for real. Who has she fought Neji decimated her casually.

Next up chiyo clearly says in chapter 270 pg 8 that Sakura was the one seeing through Sasori's attack patterns. Chiyo was hardly helping. Hence the flashback of Sakura training happening on the next page. That right there is called reading comprehension. Don't just take what you want from the story use it all. Chiyo was hardly controlling Sakura. During Iron sand world Chiyo Panicked because she could move her fast enough Sakura dodged that. Sakura dodge it.

Then you use wooden spikes as a evasion technique. Lol every other fodder is doing that. That goes right up there with zetsu.:lol:

Yeah, she was evading the big blocks that's it. And in case you forgot Sakura was hit by Iron Sand World Order-in multiple places. Yep, every other fodder except Sakura could dodge it-I guess fodder>Sakura. Well Hinata only takes on the big leagues in her fights so she hasn't proven in a lot of cases just what she can do, still did ok against Neji whose taijutsu feats far outclass near everyone else-the only thing you have against it is supposed "speed scaling".

Got to go to class, be back later.

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 11:29 AM
Yeah, she was evading the big blocks that's it. And in case you forgot Sakura was hit by Iron Sand World Order-in multiple places. Yep, every other fodder except Sakura could dodge it-I guess fodder>Sakura. Well Hinata only takes on the big leagues in her fights so she hasn't proven in a lot of cases just what she can do, still did ok against Neji whose taijutsu feats far outclass near everyone else-the only thing you have against it is supposed "speed scaling".

Got to go to class, be back later.

Their was a massive amount of spikes the facte she only walked with scratches from Iron sand world order is a testament to how skill she is.

Also you going with a chaotic battlefield for a reference. News for you in a war you can be the most skilled fighter in the world and still get killed. Hence Naruto almost getting hit.

Lol at Hinata fighting in the big leagues comment. Never Knew getting stomped twice by mainstream bosses and taking out Zetsu is the big leagues.

It is not speed scaling it is showing where her relative skill level is. Even before the bell test she clearly did ok against Kakashi. That meant she was overwhelmed by him. Naruto and Sakura had him on the run. He was clearly being pressured. Again Hinata is just a fan favorite.

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 12:05 PM
Did you forget the flashback where hinata was compared to her 5 year old sister. At that point in time she was weak even by the standards of people her age.

So that was then this is NOW!!!

Sakura was not that good either. She was thinking about boys instead of her tai/nin/genjutsu

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 12:10 PM
Doesn't matter Sasori still was moving his puppet at full speed.
So? That is a reaction feat not a speed feat. Plus You do not know if it was going at full speed. The iron sand was all over the place so Sasori's puppet could not easily get though thus not going as fast. Sasori knew the posion took effect and Sakrua was a gonner so he was not on his toes
Sakura straight up clocked it.
Sakura straight up fooled her foe
That puppet speed is massively greater than Hinata's.
Prove it. It was a reaction and Sakura had the element of surprise on her side
Also a trick is a trick.
too bad she can not trick Hinata. They have good/needed knowledge on each other
You can still know when is coming and still get caught.
HUH???
Which comes to my next point Sakura's intelligence>>>>Hinata's.
Hinata's battle expereince, taijutusu, stamina, >>>Sakura's

their speed and reactions are practically equall

Even if one was faster than the other its not by much. The speed difference is not sigificant enough for a win for either side

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 12:33 PM
Hinata's battle expereince, taijutusu, stamina, >>>Sakura's

their speed and reactions are practically equall

Even if one was faster than the other its not by much. The speed difference is not sigificant enough for a win for either side

First part wrong Sakura pushed went against two high class opponents in here life. She even lasted a little bit against the sound trio. That is a way more impressive career record.

Nope fought Kakashi and Sasori. As I pointed out Chiyo even said point blank that Sakura was reading Sasori movements. She only helped at times. Why people can't comprehend this fact is beyond me. There was even a flashback to illustrate this point. Either you are purposely downplaying or straight up you need to learn to read.

Sakura has fought two high level opponents. Kakashi held back only when it came to killing. If she was skilled enough to counter his attacks she would not have been able to keep up. Sakura is straight up the better fighter.

321zigzag3
01-25-2013, 01:00 PM
She was thinking about Sasuke boys instead of killing him her tai/nin/genjutsu

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdm1qm8ZYm1rj1ke7o1_250.gif

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 01:04 PM
First part wrong Sakura pushed went against two high class opponents in here life. hinata fought pain that is more impressive than anything Sakura faced
She even lasted a little bit against the sound trio.
they were going easy on her. And she had to be saved. Once again she had to trick her foe who had no knowledge on her to get a hit in.
That is a way more impressive career record.
Hinata has a better record
Hinata vs Neji (TenTen said Lee could take out the sound trio so Neji could as well)
Hinata vs Pain (top teir in akasuki. Stronger than kakashi and Sasori combined)

Nope fought Kakashi and Sasori.
she had help on both. Plus Naruto did most of the fighting with against Kakashi. She was being controlled by Chiyo. Overall she would have not succeded on her own
As I pointed out Chiyo even said point blank that Sakura was reading Sasori movements.
puppet movements and taijutsu are different
She only helped at times.
can we agree that she helped out most of the fight
Why people can't comprehend this fact is beyond me.
cuz sakura would not get passed hikuro without help
There was even a flashback to illustrate this point. Either you are purposely downplaying or straight up you need to learn to read.
ditto bra. Count how many things Sakura did by herself and you will see it is less than with Chiyo's help

Sakura has fought two high level opponents. Kakashi held back only when it came to killing. If she was skilled enough to counter his attacks she would not have been able to keep up.
what did she counter?? It is not plural. She just puched the ground
Sakura is straight up the better fighter.
how?? SHe always has help in her fights.

Heji Oka
01-25-2013, 01:09 PM
First part wrong Sakura pushed went against two high class opponents in here life. She even lasted a little bit against the sound trio. That is a way more impressive career record.

Nope fought Kakashi and Sasori. As I pointed out Chiyo even said point blank that Sakura was reading Sasori movements. She only helped at times. Why people can't comprehend this fact is beyond me. There was even a flashback to illustrate this point. Either you are purposely downplaying or straight up you need to learn to read.

Sakura has fought two high level opponents. Kakashi held back only when it came to killing. If she was skilled enough to counter his attacks she would not have been able to keep up. Sakura is straight up the better fighter.

In both fights with Sasori and Kakahi she had help so you can't use it to attest to her one on one prowess against a taijutsu user such as Hinata. While it is true that she was starting to see through Sasori's movements but also remeber that he kept using the same movements too. If someone constantly uses the same move on you then of course your bound to catch on, as shown in the manga while using the block and triangle he had the same patterns it would not be that hard to figure it out since there was no variation to his pattern.
The thing most people seem to be forgetting is that up until that point she herself did not have to worry about dodging because chiyo did it for her which gave her the time needed to read his movements. Without chiyo there she would not have been able to do this. Next saying she was good against kakshi isn't much since it was naruto and her this says nothing as to how it would have been if it was just her since he still was keeping them both at bay. Which is further proven since they had to resort to using the ending of kakshis book to gain the win which was a plan thought of by naruto not sakura.

Also to the Zetsu dodge as shown in ch 540 pages 7-8 it doesn't show sakura dodge only that she struck zetsu before he struck her.
Next the sakura is fast because she caught the kazekage puppet people seem to forget that she only caught it because it was believed that the poison had paralyzed her not because she was fast. This caught Sasori off guard otherwise she never would have touched that puppet. Also saying that she dodged sasoris new world order sand attack look at chapter 270 page 11 it shows chiyo use her chakra strings to help her.
Sakuras dodging feats are non existent.

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-25-2013, 01:40 PM
Not really a poison laced Kunai just needs a scratch and sleeping gas only needs to be inhaled. It would be different if she could rotate. Also Sakura is only slow compared to who she has been fighting Sasori Jonin (also mass murderer of jonins) and Omoi also a jonin. Considering she could even follow Sasori movement to extent makes Hinata automatically a non threat.



Again she has dodged at close quarters that Iron sand Blitz from Sasori was the third Kazekage Puppets fastest attack. She did it on her own without chiyo. Hence flashback then plot induced skill upgrade. Also you fail to realize no one dies automatically against gentle fist it requires consective hits.

Actually the gentle fist can kill in one hit, did you not see Hinata's father kill Hinata's kidnapper in one strike?

Sakura would have to be able to cut her first and when it the last time you ever saw anyone other than fodder ninja get hit or cut by a Kunai? also it's pretty simple to hold your breath and stay away from the gas cloud.

Sakura has never dodged at close quarters with someone else doing hand to hand combat, that is totally different from what Sasori did.

Also more proof that people with damage chakra networks can't heal themselves. Naruto's nine tailed chakra always heals him, medical ninjutsu only makes the process faster, that being said. when Naruto tore up the chakra network in his arm, the nine tailed chakra could not heal him because his chakra network was damaged, I forget rather it was Ino, Sakura or Tsunade, but someone had to heal him. When Kabuto severed the chakra network around naruto's heart he would have died because the nine tails chakra could not heal him, Tsunade had to heal him. when Hinata's chakra network had been damaged by Neji, Kabuto had to heal her.

When your chakra network is damaged that someone else always has to heal them and they aren't able to use their chakra properly or sometimes not at all. So if Sakura fought Hinata, the gentle fist (And no I'm not talking about blocking chakra points) Says that they drill chakra into the opponents body, attacking their chakra network and damaging it and since the internal organs are so tightly tied in with the chakra network it tears them up to. So how would Sakura be able to heal or use her strength when her chakra network is damaged....and honestly do you really think she could just brush off damage to her internal organs like it was nothing?....No, just...no..

Also @Heji Oka.....THANK YOU!!

Godaime Kazekage
01-25-2013, 02:08 PM
Their was a massive amount of spikes the facte she only walked with scratches from Iron sand world order is a testament to how skill she is.

Also you going with a chaotic battlefield for a reference. News for you in a war you can be the most skilled fighter in the world and still get killed. Hence Naruto almost getting hit.

Lol at Hinata fighting in the big leagues comment. Never Knew getting stomped twice by mainstream bosses and taking out Zetsu is the big leagues.

It is not speed scaling it is showing where her relative skill level is. Even before the bell test she clearly did ok against Kakashi. That meant she was overwhelmed by him. Naruto and Sakura had him on the run. He was clearly being pressured. Again Hinata is just a fan favorite.

You destroy your own argument right there. Chiyo is desperately trying to pull Sakura away and she gets cut in a few places, so according to you it's "Sakura's skills in dodging that save her" and not luck, but against the spikes it's apparently just "war is hell, bad luck" that she couldn't dodge on her own. Naruto almost got hit because he was exhausted and couldn't move-don't try to pull that crap.

How was Sakura "doing ok against Kakashi in the first bell test? She never engaged him and got done in by a genjutsu without even seeing Kakashi.

Pain and PTS Neji (at the time the most powerful Genin besides Gaara) are pretty big leagues. Unless you think fighting Pain alone is the same as being guided and protected through most of the fight against Sasori.

Hinata may be a fan favorite, but she would also win against Sakura in a fight. Her whole fighting style is based on skillful manuvering and taijutsu whereas Sakura's is stay out of combat no matter what and hope that the enemy will be intimated by your super-strength so they don't attack you.

@BMC: Read a few pages later-Sakura says "To attack the inner coils system..." It hurts the organs by damaging the coils connected to them-I think it's stated somewhere in a databook too. I'm also inclined to believe that even if it doesn't actually damage the chakra system (which I think it does) I don't think Sakura would be able to maintain her perfect control of sending the chakra at the right balance to her arm when there is a foreign chakra surging through her (for reference Naruto was pinned by the chakra from Pain's chakra rods and Kakashi was thrown off by it as well). Hinata doesn't need to completely shut down Sakura's chakra, just throw it out of whack since she needs precise control to use the strength. Even if not she can dislocate joints and likely as Sora said "heart bust" with Twin Lion Fists since 2 hits from normal gentle fist from Neji to the chest sent Hinata into critical condition and one hit from Hiashi killed the Head Cloud Ninja.

Hinata failed to protect Naruto the second time when Obito used a faster pinpoint attack and no one else on the battlefield, including Neji and Hiashi could block it as well. She protected him earlier from the general spike rain which Sakura couldn't dodge.

Edit: Devil's Lawyer: The reading Sasori's movement you're so fond of bringing up was just watching his fingers to see how he would manipulate the puppet and she only dodged linear moving blocks. This was also after Chiyo had been manuvering her for a while. It would be pretty sad if Sakura couldn't adapt to the situation after all the time she had to watch Sasori while Chiyo was controlling her.

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 02:11 PM
Hinata does not even need to risk going in close. She just needs to keep her distance and use Air Palms.

Sakura can not dodge forever. Sakura would keep trying to get close and do damage but Sakura would not succeed. The attacks are too hard to see. When has Air Palms ever missed?

Godaime Kazekage
01-25-2013, 02:36 PM
When has Air Palms ever missed?
They've never been shown to miss. But Sakura is so great at dodging she can easily avoid the fast moving invisible attack that has never been shown to miss by watching her arm movements-doesn't matter that Kisame couldn't dodge it-Sakura's way better. Even if it did hit it would only tickle her, because you know she wouldn't be damaged by an attack that blew away Kisame and damages the inner organs, because she's so tough y'know!

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 02:44 PM
but how would she see/notice the attack

you guys really thing it would just tickle? Sakura would have to stand still to heal after it. SHe is not a tanker like Tsuande

e710
01-25-2013, 02:45 PM
They've never been shown to miss. But Sakura is so great at dodging she can easily avoid the fast moving invisible attack that has never been shown to miss by watching her arm movements-doesn't matter that Kisame couldn't dodge it-Sakura's way better. Even if it did hit it would only tickle her, because you know she wouldn't be damaged by an attack that blew away Kisame and damages the inner organs, because she's so tough y'know!

but how would she see/notice the attack

you guys really thing it would just tickle? Sakura would have to stand still to heal after it. SHe is not a tanker like Tsuande

Dude he is clearly being sarcastic. :mrgreen:

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 02:50 PM
Thank heavens

Dragon Style
01-25-2013, 03:08 PM
Dragon Style: Hinata Wins No Jutsu!!

and that my good people is all that needs to be said, however I will go into more just for youb;)

OK first off, I see this Sakura is a great dodger thing being tossed around like a volley ball, but even Sakura in the manga said and I quote that she had no reaction and couldn't dodge very well.

This notion that Sakura could use sleep bombs and poison kunai is out because it is not standard prep for her.

All Sakura has his her healing and strength and close combat with a Hyuuga, even if it is hinata is never a good idea, especially if you're someone like Sakura. Hinata has air palms and gentle fist, Sakura has no legs to stand on.

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 03:14 PM
DS, where did you get that quote from? What chap?

CoolerThanIce
01-25-2013, 03:15 PM
Just out of curiosity, approximately how many "Hinata vs Sakura" threads have been made ever since this site opened?

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 03:16 PM
Honestly, what has Sakura dodged ON HER OWN

Everything else in the sasori fight was a Chiyo's chakra thread feat

Dragon Style
01-25-2013, 03:49 PM
It's chapter 265, page 10 She says and I directly quote "Knowledge of traps, intstant reaction, I don't have either of those"

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 05:03 PM
how?? SHe always has help in her fights.

Yes Sakura had help because if she didn't she would have been eating dirt. Hinata has been demolished in her fights. I wouldn't even call those fights considering she almost died everytime. Each and every opponent casually did this. In Sakura fights including Kakashi's bell test everyone was pushed to their limits. Naruto was even worn down. Their is a difference in the battles Sakura has had from Hinata. An akatsuki member and Kakashi.

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-25-2013, 05:10 PM
Yes Sakura had help because if she didn't she would have been eating dirt. Hinata has been demolished in her fights. I wouldn't even call those fights considering she almost died everytime. Each and every opponent casually did this. In Sakura fights including Kakashi's bell test everyone was pushed to their limits. Naruto was even worn down. Their is a difference in the battles Sakura has had from Hinata. An akatsuki member and Kakashi.

However you're trying to compare Ino to Neji and Sasori and even Kakashi to Pain when we all know they were on a whole other level, rather Hinata lost or not, she lasted for a while with both, even if she did get steam rolled for the most part.

Looking at it now, Kakashi was not pushed to his limits, he was defeated by something stupid, funny, but stupid. Without that they'd have never gotten those bells.

So are you saying that Sakura would have done, better if faced with the same opponents by herself...I don't think so.

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 05:25 PM
Yes Sakura had help because if she didn't she would have been eating dirt. Hinata has been demolished in her fights.
because she fought tougher foes and she had ZERO help or prep
I wouldn't even call those fights considering she almost died everytime.
because that how tough she fights and in her fights are intense. Sakura has kiddy fights like sakura vs ino. Sakura always needs saving or help in all her fights. she never won a 1v1 fight and she has never been in one with a serious foe. barley anybody takes her seriously
Each and every opponent casually did this. In Sakura fights including Kakashi's bell test everyone was pushed to their limits. Naruto was even worn down. Their is a difference in the battles Sakura has had from Hinata. An akatsuki member and Kakashi.

yeah the difference is hianta has better fights

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 05:36 PM
In both fights with Sasori and Kakahi she had help so you can't use it to attest to her one on one prowess against a taijutsu user such as Hinata. While it is true that she was starting to see through Sasori's movements but also remeber that he kept using the same movements too. If someone constantly uses the same move on you then of course your bound to catch on, as shown in the manga while using the block and triangle he had the same patterns it would not be that hard to figure it out since there was no variation to his pattern.
The thing most people seem to be forgetting is that up until that point she herself did not have to worry about dodging because chiyo did it for her which gave her the time needed to read his movements. Without chiyo there she would not have been able to do this. Next saying she was good against kakshi isn't much since it was naruto and her this says nothing as to how it would have been if it was just her since he still was keeping them both at bay. Which is further proven since they had to resort to using the ending of kakshis book to gain the win which was a plan thought of by naruto not sakura.

Also to the Zetsu dodge as shown in ch 540 pages 7-8 it doesn't show sakura dodge only that she struck zetsu before he struck her.
Next the sakura is fast because she caught the kazekage puppet people seem to forget that she only caught it because it was believed that the poison had paralyzed her not because she was fast. This caught Sasori off guard otherwise she never would have touched that puppet. Also saying that she dodged sasoris new world order sand attack look at chapter 270 page 11 it shows chiyo use her chakra strings to help her.
Sakuras dodging feats are non existent.
You fail to realize regardless how Sakura did it she was capable of reading sasori movements which are extremely complicated. Chiyo only had control limited on Sakura. Why do I have to keep repeating this. Iron sand world order is easily one of the most complicated attacks in the series. She dodged that come out with only scratches. No one has disproved this fact only downplayed.

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 05:41 PM
sakura let chiyo had all control that she needed
sakura reading sasori's movements is different than hianta's taijutsu

That was the only thing impressive that she dodged. that jutsu is TOTALLY different than Hinata's taijutsu.

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-25-2013, 05:41 PM
You fail to realize regardless how Sakura did it she was capable of reading sasori movements which are extremely complicated. Chiyo only had control limited on Sakura. Why do I have to keep repeating this. Iron sand world order is easily one of the most complicated attacks in the series. She dodged that come out with only scratches. No one has disproved this fact only downplayed.

You completely ignored the bottom of his post telling you that Chiyo helped her dodge that and the fact that Dragon Style has a chapter and page number for when Sakura herself said she had no reaction.

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 05:42 PM
However you're trying to compare Ino to Neji and Sasori and even Kakashi to Pain when we all know they were on a whole other level, rather Hinata lost or not, she lasted for a while with both, even if she did get steam rolled for the most part.

Looking at it now, Kakashi was not pushed to his limits, he was defeated by something stupid, funny, but stupid. Without that they'd have never gotten those bells.

So are you saying that Sakura would have done, better if faced with the same opponents by herself...I don't think so.

What are you talking about I am not comparing anyone just their fights? Hinata didn't fight pain she didn't even fight Neji. You know what they did they beat her like a hooker who owes money. She gets beat down the majority of the series.

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 05:45 PM
you are the only one debating for Sakura.
Air palms and gentle fist are different than Iron Sand

How do you not call those battles. You are a HORRID debater. You are downplaying everything of Hinata. HInata went to attack Pain and Hinta took some hits from Neji and kept fighting on. THAT IS CALLED A FIGHT

If Hinata vs Neji was not a fight then I guess every fight in the chunnin exam was not a fight

I guess sakura never been in a fight because she always gets help.... IN EVERY SINGLE FIGHT

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-25-2013, 05:50 PM
What are you talking about I am not comparing anyone just their fights? Hinata didn't fight pain she didn't even fight Neji. You know what they did they beat her like a hooker who owes money. She gets beat down the majority of the series.

She did to fight them, if you have time to take a few swings at someone that is fighting and you are comparing them because Saying that Sakura is better just because she won her fights and Hinata didn't is not only comparing them, but their opponents. that's like Saying that Sakura is better than Kiba since he basically lost all of his matches and Sakura didn't, but we all know that's not true now is it.

You have to look at the level the people Hinata fought were on compared to Sakura's. Naruto was barely able to beat the people Hinata fought and I think we all no that Sakura is nowhere near Naruto's level.

So tell me this, do you think that Sakura could have done any better against Neji had he been her opponent in the Chunin exams and what about Pain do you think she would have stood any better chance against him. Don't compare their fights when their opponents were worlds apart that's my point.

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 05:59 PM
You know what's not even gonna argue it just provide page numbers.

Ch 270 pg 8 chiyo telling you what Sakura was doing

Ch 270 pg 9 the flashback of Sakura training. Every thing after this is suppose to be no sh...
Sakura did it. But reading level needs to be took up a few notches on here.

Ch 270 pg 10-11 Chiyo panicking and even wondering if Sakura if she is alive.

Enough speculations put your page numbers up let them speak. I already know how this will turn out.

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 06:03 PM
the flashback did not show much. no specifics. Tsuande even said that she should not battle.

she tricked people due to lack of knowledge big whoop.

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-25-2013, 06:03 PM
It's chapter 265, page 10 She says and I directly quote "Knowledge of traps, intstant reaction, I don't have either of those"

There is your page numbers right there and Heji Oka even gives you page numbers, so what did this really accomplish for you?

In both fights with Sasori and Kakahi she had help so you can't use it to attest to her one on one prowess against a taijutsu user such as Hinata. While it is true that she was starting to see through Sasori's movements but also remeber that he kept using the same movements too. If someone constantly uses the same move on you then of course your bound to catch on, as shown in the manga while using the block and triangle he had the same patterns it would not be that hard to figure it out since there was no variation to his pattern.
The thing most people seem to be forgetting is that up until that point she herself did not have to worry about dodging because chiyo did it for her which gave her the time needed to read his movements. Without chiyo there she would not have been able to do this. Next saying she was good against kakshi isn't much since it was naruto and her this says nothing as to how it would have been if it was just her since he still was keeping them both at bay. Which is further proven since they had to resort to using the ending of kakshis book to gain the win which was a plan thought of by naruto not sakura.

Also to the Zetsu dodge as shown in ch 540 pages 7-8 it doesn't show sakura dodge only that she struck zetsu before he struck her.
Next the sakura is fast because she caught the kazekage puppet people seem to forget that she only caught it because it was believed that the poison had paralyzed her not because she was fast. This caught Sasori off guard otherwise she never would have touched that puppet. Also saying that she dodged sasoris new world order sand attack look at chapter 270 page 11 it shows chiyo use her chakra strings to help her.
Sakuras dodging feats are non existent.

There you go, would you like more page numbers or are you even going to bother reading or even looking at the ones that have already been given to you?

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 06:12 PM
the flashback did not show much. no specifics. Tsuande even said that she should not battle.

she tricked people due to lack of knowledge big whoop.

My response to this is....ch 246 pg 12 There is your page numbers right there and Heji Oka even gives you page numbers, so what did this really accomplish for you?



There you go, would you like more page numbers or are you even going to bother reading or even looking at the ones that have already been given to you?

Already explained this about a thousand times long before he posted. I even said it to you. This thread is pages of mofos repeating themselves. I am just posting pages now ch 437 pg 13 Hinata in beast mode.

321zigzag3
01-25-2013, 06:30 PM
One good thing about this thread is that there are more posters than the usual. http://i50.tinypic.com/2s7yn7o.gif

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-25-2013, 06:30 PM
Once again, what did I tell you about comparing their fights, rather Hinata won or lost. Pain is worlds apart from anyone Sakura ever fought, so showing me how Hinata was easily beaten by Pain someone even Naruto barely beat does not prove to me or at all that Sakura is the better fighter.

So you can post pages all you want, but answer me this. how would Sakura have done in that fight and how does this prove that Sakura's 1v1 ability is better than Hinata's?

We gave you page numbers and examples, now what else do you want?

PrinceofPeace
01-25-2013, 06:31 PM
yeah she is strong... and??

OH I SEE
The point you are trying to make is that Sakura never hit an actual opponent failry. Sakura has NEVER hit a foe unless they were taken by surpise or if they were held down or if they were no living

The ONLY thing Sakura did with Naruto against Kakashi is punch the ground. You call Sakura smart but Naruto was the one to think of a plan to defeat kakashi.

THe ONLY reason sakura was able to dodge the iron sand world was because she studied sasori and his puppet for the entire battle.
Sakura does not have time to do that with hinata since its a 1v1 battle

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 08:29 PM
Once again, what did I tell you about comparing their fights, rather Hinata won or lost. Pain is worlds apart from anyone Sakura ever fought, so showing me how Hinata was easily beaten by Pain someone even Naruto barely beat does not prove to me or at all that Sakura is the better fighter.

So you can post pages all you want, but answer me this. how would Sakura have done in that fight and how does this prove that Sakura's 1v1 ability is better than Hinata's?

We gave you page numbers and examples, now what else do you want?

Do you know the page with Sakura making the crater. You know what that page says that her attack range is as long as air palms if not longer and way more effective. But anyways Ch 441 pg 7

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 08:31 PM
yeah she is strong... and??

OH I SEE
The point you are trying to make is that Sakura never hit an actual opponent failry. Sakura has NEVER hit a foe unless they were taken by surpise or if they were held down or if they were no living

The ONLY thing Sakura did with Naruto against Kakashi is punch the ground. You call Sakura smart but Naruto was the one to think of a plan to defeat kakashi.

THe ONLY reason sakura was able to dodge the iron sand world was because she studied sasori and his puppet for the entire battle.
Sakura does not have time to do that with hinata since its a 1v1 battle
Sakura and Naruto fought all night against Kakashi. Ch 441, pg 7

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-25-2013, 08:39 PM
OK and why are you showing me the page when team guy found Hinata after fighting Pain? How does that prove anything abouty Sakura being a better fighter. And please show me the page where is says that Sakura's punches have longer range than Air Palms, especially when the description for her attack says that she releases the chakra upon impact and that the move is useless if it doesn't connect.

I never said that becausr Air Palms hadn't even been introduced before she made that crater, so please do not even try that, show me the page. Please and Thank you.

Also you're still not showing me how this proves that she's better at 1v1 than Hinata.

Devils Lawyer
01-25-2013, 10:15 PM
OK and why are you showing me the page when team guy found Hinata after fighting Pain? How does that prove anything abouty Sakura being a better fighter. And please show me the page where is says that Sakura's punches have longer range than Air Palms, especially when the description for her attack says that she releases the chakra upon impact and that the move is useless if it doesn't connect.

I never said that becausr Air Palms hadn't even been introduced before she made that crater, so please do not even try that, show me the page. Please and Thank you.

Also you're still not showing me how this proves that she's better at 1v1 than Hinata.
I don't have to prove air palms has a smaller range than Sakuras attacks. I just shown you the page that proves this fact. As far as one one battles go you will have to go back to part 1 for that went against the sound trio and fought Imo to a draw. Speaking of that Ino fight you do know in that fight she used her Chakra to improve her speed. This thread is pointless. Sakura vs Sakura number 2. That is all Hinata is a nicer Sakura difference is the people they like. Also she is much much much weaker. But anyways deuces with this thread good look with the Hinata wank.

Godaime Kazekage
01-25-2013, 10:22 PM
I don't have to prove air palms has a smaller range than Sakuras attacks. I just shown you the page that proves this fact. As far as one one battles go you will have to go back to part 1 for that went against the sound trio and fought Imo to a draw. Speaking of that Ino fight you do know in that fight she used her Chakra to improve her speed. This thread is pointless. Sakura vs Sakura number 2. That is all Hinata is a nicer Sakura difference is the people they like. Also she is much much much weaker. But anyways deuces with this thread good look with the Hinata wank.

Ok get out. That is just ridiculous. People blame Prince for Stonewalling, but you're about 10x worse. The only thing you have to contribute is Sakura's unimpressive dodging of Iron Sand which has already been debunked.

P.S. Speaking of that fight-the "intelligent" Sakura fell right into Ino's trap.

Hotarubi Hyuuga
01-25-2013, 10:56 PM
I don't have to prove air palms has a smaller range than Sakuras attacks. I just shown you the page that proves this fact. As far as one one battles go you will have to go back to part 1 for that went against the sound trio and fought Imo to a draw. Speaking of that Ino fight you do know in that fight she used her Chakra to improve her speed. This thread is pointless. Sakura vs Sakura number 2. That is all Hinata is a nicer Sakura difference is the people they like. Also she is much much much weaker. But anyways deuces with this thread good look with the Hinata wank.

that page you showed me did not prove that Sakura's punches had a longer range than Hinata's air palms? the chapter had nothing to do with Sakura's punches or air palms, Hinata hadn't even used air palm by that time yet. that crater was made by Pain.

there was no Hinata wank, just facts an logic, we gave you chapters and page numbers that proved what we said were right, we gave you examples made off of pure facts while you in the end started show us chapters and page numbers that had absolutely nothing to do with what we asked you or even what you were trying to prove.

You can leave if you want to, but don't call it wank jest because you go caught in a lie. Sakura herself said she had no reaction, so why are you still trying to argue that she can dodge well when even she said she couldn't. Why are you saying that her punches have more range that air palms when it has never been proven, not even once.

You sat up here and said that your chapters and page numbers would do the talking for you, like they would prove you right, but they didn't they had nothing to do with what you were trying to prove and yet when we gave you chapters and pages that supported our stance, you completely ignored it.

She never tied with the sound Trio, she had to be saved by Ino's team, when she fought Ino she had the benefit of clones to distract her, the Byakugan can not be fooled by normal clones so when would she have time?

Also once again you are comparing Neiji to Ino, how about we switch the matches and let's see who does batter in the others match then, Hinata would have beat Ino and Sakura wouldn't have even lasted as long as Hinata did against Neji and Ino is my favorite female character, but I still know she would lose.

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-25-2013, 11:16 PM
So I return to this thread and find no body countered the lack of speed feats for either participant..any proof Hinata wont turn into human soup with a single punch from Sakura

someone trying to claim Hinata only to Neiji because she had an emotional break down the night before..ignoring that Neiji's resentment and outright hatred of the main clan branch drove him into being an emotional wreck that required two friggen experienced adult Shinobi to pull her off and left her near death.. that Neiji himself emotionally unraveled during the fight and was almost as badly unstable as Gaara was up until after the subsequent fight against Naruto which was what? Weeks later?

People siting filler as evidence for both characters when the rules state primary canon unless specified

people using low end showings

POP claiming no limits fallacies are valid evidence..people claiming Hinata is going to magically be able to block Sakuras punches without her bones shattering as a result (which I find hilarious)

this is a disaster.. and I'm not even talking as your mod here I'm saying it as a member and a debater..I'm shocked and dismayed

to sum up what's wrong here..Yes Hinata has ways to kill and take down Sakura..no they don't matter because even blocking her punches is going to cause crippling damage to her that will make her more or less useless in the opening seconds of the battle

can she land a hit on Sakura? maybe..will it matter? Unless she stops her heart right off the bat..no it wont because Sakura is going to turn her bone into fragments..and her flesh into bruised pulp and she can do it by flailing a limp arm or leg at her enemy..much less an actual punch

epic mismatch this should not have reached 8 pages

you don't put someone like Hinata..a character that honestly someone like friggen Batman has better on panel strength feats than..her against someone who shattered close to thirty tons of rock casually and was punching teen foot deep trenches into the ground without even trying

Dragon Style
01-26-2013, 12:00 AM
Well I never said Hinata could block Sakura's hits, however, I don't think it would be all that simple for Sakura to land a hit either. Sure if Sakura land a hit, the match may very well be over, but what some people fail to realize is that Sakura actually has to manage to hit her first. Sakura has never shown the ability or speed to able to hit, well anything, well she hit Zetsu, but people keep calling him a trash feat when it comes to Hinata so in all fairness I guess he's a trash feat when it comes to Sakura as well, other than that, she pretty much hit people who weren't worried or concerned enough about her to pay her any mind so she got the hit off IMO.

All I really set out to do here is prove once and for all that Sakura is not this divine dodger that everyone claims she is, her one time dodging feat was squashed by the fact that an old woman was helping her dodge the enitre time and she herself even said that she had no instant reaction. While I also find it funny that apparently somemone said Hinata could just simply block Sakura's punches I also find it even funnier that people think that Sakura could not only dodge the gentle fist entirely, but just brush it off as it someone simply popped her after ther internal organs have been damaged and even Kakashi said that no one can just brush that off, well that wasn't what he said word for word, but that was about the sum of it.

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 12:11 AM
So I return to this thread and find no body countered the lack of speed feats for either participant..any proof Hinata wont turn into human soup with a single punch from Sakura

someone trying to claim Hinata only to Neiji because she had an emotional break down the night before..ignoring that Neiji's resentment and outright hatred of the main clan branch drove him into being an emotional wreck that required two friggen experienced adult Shinobi to pull her off and left her near death.. that Neiji himself emotionally unraveled during the fight and was almost as badly unstable as Gaara was up until after the subsequent fight against Naruto which was what? Weeks later?

People siting filler as evidence for both characters when the rules state primary canon unless specified

people using low end showings

POP claiming no limits fallacies are valid evidence..people claiming Hinata is going to magically be able to block Sakuras punches without her bones shattering as a result (which I find hilarious)

this is a disaster.. and I'm not even talking as your mod here I'm saying it as a member and a debater..I'm shocked and dismayed

to sum up what's wrong here..Yes Hinata has ways to kill and take down Sakura..no they don't matter because even blocking her punches is going to cause crippling damage to her that will make her more or less useless in the opening seconds of the battle

can she land a hit on Sakura? maybe..will it matter? Unless she stops her heart right off the bat..no it wont because Sakura is going to turn her bone into fragments..and her flesh into bruised pulp and she can do it by flailing a limp arm or leg at her enemy..much less an actual punch

epic mismatch this should not have reached 8 pages

you don't put someone like Hinata..a character that honestly someone like friggen Batman has better on panel strength feats than..her against someone who shattered close to thirty tons of rock casually and was punching teen foot deep trenches into the ground without even trying
Bro you are talking to the walls.:lol:

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 12:21 AM
Ok get out. That is just ridiculous. People blame Prince for Stonewalling, but you're about 10x worse. The only thing you have to contribute is Sakura's unimpressive dodging of Iron Sand which has already been debunked.

P.S. Speaking of that fight-the "intelligent" Sakura fell right into Ino's trap.

Lol user is butthurt also nothing was debunked . You all are just in agreement with your Hinata wankery. You whole entire arguements are downplaying that right there tells you this was a mismatch. A heavyweight vs a feathweight. But good luck with your butthurt.:lol:

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-26-2013, 12:28 AM
. Sakura has never shown the ability or speed to able to hit, well anything

and Hinata has?

oh wait..no, no she hasn't

her speed is just as terrible as Sakuras ergo she gets turned into a human smoothie

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 02:13 AM
Sakura and Naruto fought all night against Kakashi. Ch 441, pg 7

without any details or specifics, it was all in the anime which is off-cannon. SO again all she did was hit the ground. BIg Whoop

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 02:22 AM
without any details or specifics, it was all in the anime which is off-cannon. SO again all she did was hit the ground. BIg Whoop

Instead of downplaying actually provide some feats that supports your arguements for Hinata. Sakura created a crater that is easily on par with the distance air palms has displayed. If you disagree actually find something that disproves this fact. The manga >your words each everytime.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-gifs/popcorn__.gif

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 02:34 AM
So I return to this thread and find no body countered the lack of speed feats for either participant..any proof Hinata wont turn into human soup with a single punch from Sakura
That is because there are no specific speed feats that would tell anyone would win. Even if one was faster it would not siginficant enough to land a hit. IMO Hinata is faster from her PTS fight with Neji because it was cqc. Please show me when Sakura moved that fast fro a cqc battle.

someone trying to claim Hinata only to Neiji because she had an emotional break down the night before..ignoring that Neiji's resentment and outright hatred of the main clan branch drove him into being an emotional wreck that required two friggen experienced adult Shinobi to pull her off and left her near death.. that Neiji himself emotionally unraveled during the fight and was almost as badly unstable as Gaara was up until after the subsequent fight against Naruto which was what? Weeks later?

People siting filler as evidence for both characters when the rules state primary canon unless specified
people using low end showings

POP claiming no limits fallacies are valid evidence..people claiming Hinata is going to magically be able to block Sakuras punches without her bones shattering as a result (which I find hilarious)
????
When did I say she could block? I said she would evade. Hinata has more experience with cqc. Sakura does not have a cqc feat compared to Hinata.

this is a disaster.. and I'm not even talking as your mod here I'm saying it as a member and a debater..I'm shocked and dismayed

to sum up what's wrong here..Yes Hinata has ways to kill and take down Sakura..no they don't matter because even blocking her punches is going to cause crippling damage to her that will make her more or less useless in the opening seconds of the battle
who said blocking?????
I said dodging

can she land a hit on Sakura? maybe..will it matter? Unless she stops her heart right off the bat..no it wont because Sakura is going to turn her bone into fragments..and her flesh into bruised pulp and she can do it by flailing a limp arm or leg at her enemy..much less an actual punch
OR
She could keep her distance and use air palms.
Hinata does not even have to go in close at all.
Even if she did Hinata could go in close and get a hit then dodge it. She was able to dodge Neji's fast hits at least.

epic mismatch this should not have reached 8 pages
only thing I agree with you on

you don't put someone like Hinata..a character that honestly someone like friggen Batman has better on panel strength feats than..her against someone who shattered close to thirty tons of rock casually and was punching teen foot deep trenches into the ground without even trying
Sakura never hit someone in a fair fight

Ground/Boulder (Not a living thing and posses no threat)

Hikuro(Chiyo stoppped its movements and Sasori underestimated her strenght)

Zetsu (did not expect she knew about him. He thought it was an easy win)

Puppet 3KK (tricked Sasori)

Sasori(was stabbed and could not move

Bassically of the things that she hit were either non-living, standing still, or underestimated her skills/did not know to fight, or tricked

SO how does Hinata fall under any of those catorgories??

Please IWD,
SHow us how to really debate. Sakura has shown no Taijutsu feats compared to HInata. Sakura has never moved that fast in cqc as Hinata has

Heji Oka
01-26-2013, 02:45 AM
So I return to this thread and find no body countered the lack of speed feats for either participant..any proof Hinata wont turn into human soup with a single punch from Sakura

someone trying to claim Hinata only to Neiji because she had an emotional break down the night before..ignoring that Neiji's resentment and outright hatred of the main clan branch drove him into being an emotional wreck that required two friggen experienced adult Shinobi to pull her off and left her near death.. that Neiji himself emotionally unraveled during the fight and was almost as badly unstable as Gaara was up until after the subsequent fight against Naruto which was what? Weeks later?

People siting filler as evidence for both characters when the rules state primary canon unless specified

people using low end showings

POP claiming no limits fallacies are valid evidence..people claiming Hinata is going to magically be able to block Sakuras punches without her bones shattering as a result (which I find hilarious)

this is a disaster.. and I'm not even talking as your mod here I'm saying it as a member and a debater..I'm shocked and dismayed

to sum up what's wrong here..Yes Hinata has ways to kill and take down Sakura..no they don't matter because even blocking her punches is going to cause crippling damage to her that will make her more or less useless in the opening seconds of the battle

can she land a hit on Sakura? maybe..will it matter? Unless she stops her heart right off the bat..no it wont because Sakura is going to turn her bone into fragments..and her flesh into bruised pulp and she can do it by flailing a limp arm or leg at her enemy..much less an actual punch

epic mismatch this should not have reached 8 pages

you don't put someone like Hinata..a character that honestly someone like friggen Batman has better on panel strength feats than..her against someone who shattered close to thirty tons of rock casually and was punching teen foot deep trenches into the ground without even trying

What is amazing is how in that the possibility of Sakura being hit with gentle fist which damages internal organs is being downplayed. Saying that if Hinata hits her she will hit back but nowhere in the manga has it ever showed Sakura tank a hit to counter in such a way. Even more amazing is that if Hinata hits she would only hit once seeing as the gentle fist style itself is comprised of multiple strikes.

Other Amazing thing is that for Sakura to beat Zesu its counted as a "feat" but for Hinata it is a trash feat despite the fact they are the same person. That sakura is given the feat of being able to "dodge" Sasoris attacks despite the fact that A) In ch 265 page 10 before the fight she admits that she has no reaction at all or b) that up until she was able to read his attack patterns that she had to rely on Chiyo to dodge them or that new world order was only dodged because of chiyo. These feats are readily given to sakura despite the fact she herself could not have accomplished them but the fact that Hinata dodged most of Nejis attacks before her charkra points were cut off is ignored.

Then the only come back to that is Neji wasn't fighting seriously ignoring the fact that if had been Sakura in her place it wouldn't have even gotten that far. Or that the defeat of Sasori is given to sakura as a feat while completely ignoring the fact that in the manga its says that he allowed them to kill him. But use the fact that Hinata's loss to pain as a reason she is not a good fighter while disregarding that if Sakura was in her place she would have done no better maybe even worse.

Then it said that Sakuras punch has more range than air palm but the only evidence is that she made a crater which hit no one. How does this prove more range, does it prove that it is more destructive yes but that it can travel farther no.

Also that for Sakura to cause any type of damage with her kicks or punches that she has to make some sort of contact with the opponent. However completely ignoring that in the manga it states that even if the gentles fists physical hand misses that the chakra being thrown with it can still strike you and cause internal damage.

That these "feats" are given to sakura and used but no mention of how she attained them like making it seem that she was able to pressure someone on her on or that she can dodge attacks on her own. Even more so that her Taijutsu is better than Hinatas because of her strength but completely forgetting the fact that while sakura just started her intensive training in taijutsu these past few years. While Hinata has been doing taijutsu her whole life since that is her clans main fighting style and weapon. But sakura with only a few years under her belt is somehow much better in taijutsu than Hinata.

People need to stop using selective memory and evidence and look at the whole evidence because if you don't then you are simply being unreasonably biased with nothing to truly support you.

InnerSakura
01-26-2013, 02:46 AM
Its tough to call, really.

Both Hinata and Sakura are two powerful female characters in Naruto. And shouldnt be underestimated. Hinata has shown more and more impressive jutsu lately. While I dont believe Sakura has got to show her full potential yet. Sakura will probably become one of the next legendary sannin. Sasuke and Naruto being the other two. But Hinata is also very powerful.

If they were to fight, Hinata has more jutsu than Sakura right now. But Sakura also has the ability to heal her injuries. So Hinata could probably get more damage on Sakura, but Sakura could then heal herself. So the matter of who would win or lose comes down to how much chakra they have and who would run out the fastest. We know Sakura healed an entire army constantly during the war. So its safe to say that she could last longer in a battle than Hinata. Plus Sakura has precise chakra control since she is a med nin.

But we might not ever know for sure who would win if they fought. Its pretty much a gamble for both of them. But if Sakura ever learns all of the jutsu Tsunade knows, Sakura would definitely win. But for right now....idk. I think Hinata has a pretty good chance of beating Sakura.

Ninja of Cao
01-26-2013, 02:49 AM
Sakura's strength is nothing compared to Hinata's abilities as a member of the Hyuga clan. A few hits will disable Sakura's abilities to move, and any of her powerful attacks will be beaten back by Hinata's defensive techniques. I see no way for Sakura to win this, except perhaps one thing: judging from personality, Hinata will probably be more hesitant to harm her opponent. But if this is a serious battle where Hinata uses her full force, Sakura will be defeated easily.

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 02:56 AM
If they were to fight, Hinata has more jutsu than Sakura right now. But Sakura also has the ability to heal her injuries. So Hinata could probably get more damage on Sakura, but Sakura could then heal herself.
you know that sakura can only stand still to heal right? THat leaves herself wide open
So the matter of who would win or lose comes down to how much chakra they have and who would run out the fastest.
Hinata was still conscience after a Shiri Tesni and she kept fighting after being hit by Neji directly. So I say she has more stamina. Plus she has fought more than Sakura.
We know Sakura healed an entire army constantly during the war. So its safe to say that she could last longer in a battle than Hinata.
No cuz she doe snot have time to heal
Plus Sakura has precise chakra control since she is a med nin.
how does that help in battle?

But we might not ever know for sure who would win if they fought. Its pretty much a gamble for both of them. But if Sakura ever learns all of the jutsu Tsunade knows, Sakura would definitely win. But for right now....idk. I think Hinata has a pretty good chance of beating Sakura.
Did you forget about Air Palms

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 03:10 AM
Sakura never hit someone in a fair fight
That is because everyone was better than her. Neither has Hinata. The closest thing to a fight was Neji and he walked all over her.

[/Ground/Boulder (Not a living thing and posses no threat) Decimated an area. Which in a fight would destroy footholds and keep Hinata off balance. Not only that the attack clearly has a decent range.

Hikuro(Chiyo stoppped its movements and Sasori underestimated her strenght) Useless until the third kazekage puupet so agreed
Zetsu (did not expect she knew about him. He thought it was an easy win) Zetsu is fodder stop using him as a feat. It is just a foot soldier.

Puppet 3KK (tricked Sasori)

Completely dodged Iron sand world order came out with scratches. Still requires a decent reaction speed to clock the puppet that was blitzing. Reaction is needed to hit highspeed objects.
Sasori(was stabbed and could not move

Bassically of the things that she hit were either non-living, standing still, or underestimated her skills/did not know to fight, or tricked
Hinata hasn't hit anything
SO how does Hinata fall under any of those catorgories??
Because she is a failure. Her first fight consist of her getting trolled on by Neji. He wasn't even going all out and she was still injured for weeks. Sakura's first fight was against three sound spies three. Yeah she lost but still put up a fight. Next time we see Hinata in action is when she gets decimated by pain. Then she kills a Zetsu. Sakura actually has fought real battles sound trio, Ino, Kakashi, Sasori, and some crappy characters, all canon.

Lets line both up. Sakura has high tier destructive capabilites, mid to low tier speed and reactions. Medical knowledge and capable of creating deadly poisons and gas. Hinata has slight better taijutsu then what she had as genin possibly, low tier speed, and no atatcks that can put her opponents down immediately. Oh lets not forget the byakugan that does what for this fight?Sakura's strength is nothing compared to Hinata's abilities as a member of the Hyuga clan. A few hits will disable Sakura's abilities to move, and any of her powerful attacks will be beaten back by Hinata's defensive techniques. I see no way for Sakura to win this, except perhaps one thing: judging from personality, Hinata will probably be more hesitant to harm her opponent. But if this is a serious battle where Hinata uses her full force, Sakura will be defeated easily.

What abilities she is mediocdre compared to the only other active Hyuuga in the story Neji. Even he wasn't that powerful as far as the story goes. A few hits from a hyuuga has never put anyone down support your statement with fact not fanfiction.Did you forget about Air Palms

Show air palms killing anyone beside a plant.

FYI I am now focused on this thread for real now. I am going to drive this thread into the ground. You all have just been warned.

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 03:17 AM
You are being totally biased. Neji and many others were impressed. HInata almost got a few hits in. You act like Sakura could do sooo much better.

its called chakra concentration. Or Hinata could jump up in the air to dodge. What would being off-balanced do?

the puppet was non-living it was sasori who was tricked due to lack of knowledge

exactly he was nothing.

That is a lie and you know it. Sakura got a scratch which is why she fell to the ground. it took her the whole battle to study her foes skills to know how to dodge it. BU Iron sand is different than cqc

Neither has sakura. How does sakura trick hinata. HInata is not going to underestimate her and HInata is a living thing

You are a bias jerk. How can you say HInata did not put up a fight and sakura did? The sond 3 were not even going all out. Neji and others were actually impressed.

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 03:29 AM
Because she is a failure.
Your a jerk. You know this is false. Sakura is nothing without help
Her first fight consist of her getting trolled on by Neji.
sakura barely fought in part 1. Her first fight she stalled. She spamed substuiton tech. she only fought zaku while the others watched kin grabbed her hair but the strongest one, Dosu did not even bother fighting.
He wasn't even going all out and she was still injured for weeks.
same with the sound trio you bias meanie
Sakura's first fight was against three sound spies three. Yeah she lost but still put up a fight.
and hinata did not? She only bit. SHe was so bad at fighting she was reduced to bite!?!?!
Next time we see Hinata in action is when she gets decimated by pain. Then she kills a Zetsu.
hinata killed a bunch of zetsu
Sakura actually has fought real battles sound
trio,
no she stalled. the sound foe did not put up a fight. They went easy on her. Sakura barely did damage
Ino,
sakura would have lost if Naruto did not step in
Kakashi,
she just punched the ground. Kakashi was not worried about he just attacked Naruto
Sasori,
had help from Chiyo
and some crappy characters, all canon.
but none of that was in a fair fight where sakura got a good hit in

Lets line both up. Sakura has high tier destructive capabilites, mid to low tier speed and reactions.
not much better or worse than Hinata's
Medical knowledge and capable of creating deadly poisons and gas. Hinata has slight better taijutsu then what she had as genin possibly,
how is having visible chakra from her hands slight?
low tier speed,
not much better than worse of Sakura's
and no atatcks that can put her opponents down immediately. Oh lets not forget the byakugan that does what for this fight?
see though Sakura's trickes

What abilities she is mediocdre compared to the only other active Hyuuga in the story Neji. Even he wasn't that powerful as far as the story goes. A few hits from a hyuuga has never put anyone down support your statement with fact not fanfiction.
but it messes up the chakra network so sakura can not fight

Show air palms killing anyone beside a plant.
Kisame did not think it was so weak

FYI I am now focused on this thread for real now. I am going to drive this thread into the ground. You all have just been warned.

oh so scared. Too bad your the only one who is for Sakura. Nobody is going that hard.

Divine Rush
01-26-2013, 03:34 AM
Hinata is way better and way cooler yo:)

CoolerThanIce
01-26-2013, 03:40 AM
Somebody put this thread in the Graveyard:roll:

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 03:41 AM
What is amazing is how in that the possibility of Sakura being hit with gentle fist which damages internal organs is being downplayed. Saying that if Hinata hits her she will hit back but nowhere in the manga has it ever showed Sakura tank a hit to counter in such a way. Even more amazing is that if Hinata hits she would only hit once seeing as the gentle fist style itself is comprised of multiple strikes.
No one has been instantly K.O by gentle fist. As for your rediculous argeuemt about Sakura not hitting back are you high is lall I have to say to that. She is going to stand their and get hit and not try a counter. Yeah no. ALso gentlke fist is not that different or hard to counter. Naruto taijutsu skill wasn't even decent when he went up against a much more skilled Neji. Gentle fist is just taijutsu which will be close combat. Yeah Hinata would be more skilled in taijutsu doesn't matter though Sakura only needs one hit.

Other Amazing thing is that for Sakura to beat Zesu its counted as a "feat" but for Hinata it is a trash feat despite the fact they are the same person. That sakura is given the feat of being able to "dodge" Sasoris attacks despite the fact that A) In ch 265 page 10 before the fight she admits that she has no reaction at all or b) that up until she was able to read his attack patterns that she had to rely on Chiyo to dodge them or that new world order was only dodged because of chiyo. These feats are readily given to sakura despite the fact she herself could not have accomplished them but the fact that Hinata dodged most of Nejis attacks before her charkra points were cut off is ignored.
First of all Zetsu is trash I don't count fodder as feat. Next statement Sakura made earlier in the battle against Sasori to counter her feats. That is asinine you do know manga characters gain experience and grow stronger during their fights. She clearly learned to read sasori movements as stated by Chiyo herself.She even panicked and got knocked back during Iron sand world order. That was all Sakura. So are you calling the manga a lie?

Then the only come back to that is Neji wasn't fighting seriously ignoring the fact that if had been Sakura in her place it wouldn't have even gotten that far. Or that the defeat of Sasori is given to sakura as a feat while completely ignoring the fact that in the manga its says that he allowed them to kill him. But use the fact that Hinata's loss to pain as a reason she is not a good fighter while disregarding that if Sakura was in her place she would have done no better maybe even worse.

Yeah Sakura would have lost to Neji your point. The real point is Neji trolled her she didn't do anything significant in the fight. Sakura didn't defeat Ssori what she did was counter some of his moves and gain experience. That is her feat which is a 100 times better than Hinata's nothing.
Then it said that Sakuras punch has more range than air palm but the only evidence is that she made a crater which hit no one. How does this prove more range, does it prove that it is more destructive yes but that it can travel farther no.
Do you not see the length of the crater? Do you not understand what aoe is? It was clearly above air palms. Landing it isn't the point. The point is what happens to anything connecting with that fist.

Also that for Sakura to cause any type of damage with her kicks or punches that she has to make some sort of contact with the opponent. However completely ignoring that in the manga it states that even if the gentles fists physical hand misses that the chakra being thrown with it can still strike you and cause internal damage.

Which doesn't cause enough damage to put someone down immediatialy. Hinata kept going even after being tagged multiple times by it. So did Naruto.
That these "feats" are given to sakura and used but no mention of how she attained them like making it seem that she was able to pressure someone on her on or that she can dodge attacks on her own. Even more so that her Taijutsu is better than Hinatas because of her strength but completely forgetting the fact that while sakura just started her intensive training in taijutsu these past few years. While Hinata has been doing taijutsu her whole life since that is her clans main fighting style and weapon. But sakura with only a few years under her belt is somehow much better in taijutsu than Hinata.

Doesn't matter if she was on her own or not. Sasori is a mass murderer. Not only that never heard anyone say she had better taijutsu than hinata. Hinata is more skilled in taijutsu. But that is only her form and movement the way it looks. Real life looks don't mean crap in a fight she tries gentle fist up close and gets put down immediately.
People need to stop using selective memory and evidence and look at the whole evidence because if you don't then you are simply being unreasonably biased with nothing to truly support you.
I know the Hinata wankery is crazy.

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 03:42 AM
Somebody put this thread in the Graveyard:roll:


OR!!!!!!


YOu could stop coomplaining and participate

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 03:45 AM
oh so scared. Too bad your the only one who is for Sakura. Nobody is going that hard.

User is crappy debater no supporting arguements just spouting straight up opinions. Meaning he is talking from his ass. Either doesn't have reading comprehension or straight up lying to benefit his character. User gets an F for not even downplaying correctly. I will take the individual who with help defeating a legendary mass murderer. Over a chick who has been stomped consistently in the story.

BMC1994
01-26-2013, 03:52 AM
@GK

Sure Gentle fist could kill in one hit but hinatas nowhere near neji or her fathers level.

Damaging the system would prevent their chakra from flowing to the organs as the path would be damaged this would minimize the effect of their fighting style.

DL prob meant the second bell test.

When did sakura even appear on the battlefield shes has been missing for a few chapters now.

@Pop
Your using hinatas feat from that time and at that time she was considered as strong if not weaker then her 5 year old sister by her own father.

Sakura doesnt even need to get close a good 5 m is all she needs to crack the ground beneath hinata and close in for the final blow.

An attack never missing does not mean its unavoidable.

I'd say iron sand is way more dangerous then a 1 directional air palm.

@Dragonstyle

First off sakura indeed doesnt have instant reactions or knowledge on sasoris puppets.
But she has reactions speed fast enough to atleast battle him an s-rank criminal. While hinata with her lack of feats cant be compared with anything above your fodder chuunin.

And and that statement is contradicted by one of chiyo's statements in chapter 270 'This is some girl, in this small amount of time shes already beginning to see through his attack patterns. So that even without my assistance she can do it, a girl like this'

And i'd take chiyos word over sakuras.

Sakura hit sasori and his puppet by herself herself on mulitple occasions.
Even showed them to prince in the tierlist debate but somehow he conviently forgot them.

The point is with nearly no speed feats for hinata its not required to be a divine dodger just good enough for hinata. Whcih she is looking at her reactions from sasoris fights.

Anyway Quoted from my tier list debate with Pop
I already gave you pages which showed sakuras own (reaction) speed feats even supported by a statement by chiyo herself.

Copy pasted them here for you to read again from my old post(s).

Chapter 270 chiyo first says that sakura has begun to see through sasoris attacks and that she can do it without her assitance , then near the end of the chapter the smashes the third kazekage puppet without help.(chiyo was knocked down).

Chapter 540 turns out she reacted to an actual suprise attack of zetsu-neji and punched without screaming or charging.

Chapter 272 intercepts sasoris attack on chiyo.

Chaper 273 smashes some of sasori puppets by herself. From this point onwards chiyo hands are occupied with her 10 puppets so all feats after that are her own.

How are those not specific events again?

As long as that fight is a source of a good amount of her feats i will keep bringing it up as it contains the few Timeskip feats she has. And regardless of help its still more then hinata has shown. And the feats i pointed out were all with no help as choyo as either occupied or knocked down herself.

The fight happned whether you want it or not you cant ask people to stop bringing it up.

In those instances chiyo was either occupied (being knocked down or something like that) or not performing any kind of action on sakura.

@Heji

The point is sakura was fast enough to intercept that attack. Sasori being aware has nothing to do with it.

Pts hinatas was able to tank direct gentle fist attacks on what seemed to be her heart. So sakura wont die after one hit.

Chapter 273 , Final page
Sakura clearly intercepting sasori attack on chiyo form a distance. Then the next chapter she proceeds to tank the poison sword being driven right into her organs and heals herself while doing it. If it wasnt for the poison she probably couldve fully healed it.

You cant get much more inner damage then a poison sword being drilled into you. If sakura is able to heal while struck with that hinatas hits should be do-able.

Sakura attack simply affect hinata from a larger distance then everyone is claiming.
The ground broken beneath should throw hinata of balance and provide an opening for another attack.

The lenght of your gentle fist carreer is irrelevant. Again she was considered weaker then her 5 year old sister.

Sakura is not much better , and again she doesnt have to be.

In a fight where neither is significantly faster then each other , both fight close quarters and 1 can crack your skull with a single punch while the other needs more , the one who cracks your skull in a single punch is going to win.

@Iwd

I need sleep too y'know :P

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 03:53 AM
You are being totally biased. Neji and many others were impressed. HInata almost got a few hits in. You act like Sakura could do sooo much better.
He was impressed she swung at him. Not only that he wasn't even serious. She didn't almost do anything. She didn't even touch is clothes.

its called chakra concentration. Or Hinata could jump up in the air to dodge. What would being off-balanced do?
Yeah you know Sakura can jump to and then Hinata would be an open target in mid air.

the puppet was non-living it was sasori who was tricked due to lack of knowledge

Puppet was still moving a highspeed. You can see a pitch doesn't mean you are going to hit it.
exactly he was nothing.

That is a lie and you know it. Sakura got a scratch which is why she fell to the ground. it took her the whole battle to study her foes skills to know how to dodge it. BU Iron sand is different than cqc
Never said it didn't take the whole batyle it is called experience she got more skilled. Characters in manga do that not sure you can understand. Iron sand was hundreds of spikes. cqc is crap you think is impressive.

Neither has sakura. How does sakura trick hinata. HInata is not going to underestimate her and HInata is a living thing
Who said she needs to trick Hinata. All she needs to do is land a punch.

You are a bias jerk. How can you say HInata did not put up a fight and sakura did? The sond 3 were not even going all out. Neji and others were actually impressed.
Lol you are arguing over crap that happened in part 1 like it matters. Sad Hinata get stomped is the highlight of her career. Also nothing is bias about me I just know is stronger. This is not a character fan club.

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 03:55 AM
User is crappy debater no supporting arguements just spouting straight up opinions. Meaning he is talking from his ass. Either doesn't have reading comprehension or straight up lying to benefit his character. User gets an F for not even downplaying correctly. I will take the individual who with help defeating a legendary mass murderer. Over a chick who has been stomped consistently in the story.
Chiyo stoppedsasori's movements so she could break the first puppet

Chp.267 pg 7.
Even with chakra strings attached Sakura could not move out of the way of sasoris attack and had to be saved by chiyo

Chp.268 pg 13
sakura can not evade the iron sand so is aved by mother puppet

chp 269 of 4
Sakura once again is saved by the mother puppet by chiyo

vhp 270 pg 17
sakura gets hit by sasoris attack again

CHo 273 pg 8 n 18
sakura only destroys one puppet but as another puppet surprises sakura chiyo protects her while chiyo gest hit. Way to go sakura. And then sakura fails to get herself and chiyo both out of the way without getting harmed

sakura would not have gotten past the first puppet without the help from chiyo

PLEASE! Stop bringing up the Sasori vs Sakura AND CHIYO fight unless you have a specific event

Please prove that Sakura is fast enough to dodge and hit hinata




How am I not using facts?? If anyone is down playing characters it is YOU. How can you call Sakura's fights fights but not HInata's fights a fight.

If Hinata had help she would have beaten most of her opponents as well

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 04:03 AM
How am I not using facts?? If anyone is down playing characters it is YOU. How can you call Sakura's fights fights but not HInata's fights a fight.

If Hinata had help she would have beaten most of her opponents as well

You are failing hard do you not know how to count 270 is when her feats even begin. I like how you go backwards. Manga chracters progress forward not backwards. Do you know the difference between forward and backward? Lastly she only got scratches from Iron sand which was hundreds of blows. You know you haven't provided anything why I should take you seriously anymore.

If Hinata had help she would still be useless even more so then.

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 04:04 AM
He was impressed she swung at him. Not only that he wasn't even serious. She didn't almost do anything. She didn't even touch is clothes.


Yeah you know Sakura can jump to and then Hinata would be an open target in mid air.


Puppet was still moving a highspeed. You can see a pitch doesn't mean you are going to hit it.
exactly he was nothing.


Never said it didn't take the whole batyle it is called experience she got more skilled. Characters in manga do that not sure you can understand. Iron sand was hundreds of spikes. cqc is crap you think is impressive.


Who said she needs to trick Hinata. All she needs to do is land a punch.


Lol you are arguing over crap that happened in part 1 like it matters. Sad Hinata get stomped is the highlight of her career. Also nothing is bias about me I just know is stronger. This is not a character fan club.

Hinata tanked direct attacks from Neji and kept battling. Sakura would have been down and out after a direct hit


How? Being off balanced is nothing. If Sakura jumped after Hinata she would greet Sakura with AIr Palms


Prove the puppet was moving at a fast pace.

It could not have cuz it had to move though the iron sand.
It was not a stright path.


No it is just differnt.

Dodignt long range attacks is different from close range


BUT HOW!>!>!>!>>
After all Sakura only hit something that was
tricked, not living, standing still, or underestimated

Then dont call fights that were fights not fights


seriuosly DL I'm not evn paying attention to you cuz your not worth going my best at

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 04:17 AM
You are failing hard do you not know how to count 270 is when her feats even begin.
really???

chp. 270 pg 11 (Chiyo pulls Sakura back with chakra threads)
Overall Even with the help of CHiyo Sakura STILL got hit with iron sand.

chp.270 pg 15 (the puppet is moving "fast" it is in a blur like fashion. If you say that is fast then hen hinata fought Neji in chps 78/79 she was also moving as a blur so you have to admit she was moving fast. the puppet had to move though the iron sand which slowed it down. Then with Sasori thinking it was done it makes it easy to hit)


I like how you go backwards. Manga chracters progress forward not backwards. Do you know the difference between forward and backward? Lastly she only got scratches from Iron sand which was hundreds of blows. You know you haven't provided anything why I should take you seriously anymore.

If Hinata had help she would still be useless even more so then.

Characters only got better. I bring up the paast cuz that was her main battle all by herself. After all this is a 1v1 not a 2v1. I bring up the past cuz hinata was better since the beginning

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 04:31 AM
seriuosly DL I'm not evn paying attention to you cuz your not worth going my best at

Crap will always be crap.

Really Hinata doesn't have any feats I am just talking out my ass because I realize she really is Sucky character number 2.

I totally agree finally start to use that brain.

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 04:40 AM
they are still feats and she only got better from there. [/B]

Sakura doesnt even need to get close a good 5 m is all she needs to crack the ground beneath hinata and close in for the final blow.
HInata can attack mid-range Sakura can not. If you wanna play long distance then Hinata has the advantage. Hinata does not even need direct contact while Sakura needs it.

An attack never missing does not mean its unavoidable.
true. At least Hinata hit her opponents in a fair fight with air palms instead of Sakura who has not

I'd say iron sand is way more dangerous then a 1 directional air palm
I would agree. it would be impossible to dodge it was a great feat...
Too bad Sakura did not do that on her own
chp 270 pg 11- Chiyo used the chakra strings to pull her away from harm


You could sleep if you move HInata above Sakura

BMC1994
01-26-2013, 04:48 AM
Instead of replying to everyone and everything here, inshort this is why hinata loses.

Hinatas pros:
Larger range(air palms)
Inner damage
Better sight range (whoopty doo in a bg default distance of 50 m).

Sakuras Pros:
O.H.K.O (One Hit K.O)
More reaction feats then hinata. Supported by the pages i provided in a earlier post.
More speed feats then hinata (who because lack of feats cannot be considered faster then an avarge chuunin).
Intelligence(Having both knowledge on the complex working of drugs and how to neutralize them and seeing through sasoris attack patterns).
According Pop appearently taking people by suprise which is how Cqc is usually won.
Can heal herself.

Air palm doesnt noticably damage the chakra system as kisame still was able to use both water clone and aquaprison after being hit by it. So sakura will still be able to heal.

Hinatas uses an air palm sakura gets hit and heals. Sakura now aware of the air palms dodges the rest with her superior speed and reaction feats. Sakura closes the distance enough for either one of these situations.

A: Sakura gets in 5m range cracks ground throwing hinata off balance and moves in for the final blow. Which hinata wioth her lack of reaction feat cant counter.
B: Sakura with superior speed feat completely closes the distance and cracks hinatas skull because of her lack of speed/reaction feats.
C: Sakura attempt to attack, hinata somehow mamages to counter (being generous here) and sakura bashes her skull in with the next hit.

@Pop

Fights dont need to be fair again advantage for sakura.

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 05:07 AM
Instead of replying to everyone and everything here, inshort this is why hinata loses.

Hinatas pros:
Larger range(air palms)
Inner damage
Better sight range (whoopty doo in a bg default distance of 50 m).
Stamina(surivied direct attack from Neji and still conscience after Shri Tensi)
Speed (kept up with Neji)
Fast reactions to Neji's attacks

Sakuras Pros:
O.H.K.O (One Hit K.O)
More reaction feats then hinata. Supported by the pages i provided in a earlier post.
can you quote those again please.
More speed feats then hinata (who because lack of feats cannot be considered faster then an avarge chuunin).
She kept up with PTS Neji who was greater then or equal to chunnin level
Intelligence(Having both knowledge on the complex working of drugs and how to neutralize them and seeing through sasoris attack patterns).
not with close combat
According Pop appearently taking people by suprise which is how Cqc is usually won.
Please tell me how Sakura fools HInata
Zetsu did not even know Sakura;s abilities or that she knew he was a fake so he did not even know he was in a battle
Sasori underestimated her and he had no clue that sakura had an antidoe
Can heal herself.
only when she stands still which leaves her open for air palms attack

Air palm doesnt noticably damage the chakra system as kisame still was able to use both water clone and aquaprison after being hit by it. So sakura will still be able to heal.
kisame is overall stronger than Sakura though
Kisame has a larger chakra pool then base naruto
we know the air palms can take out zesu though

Hinatas uses an air palm sakura gets hit and heals.
sakura stands still to heal while hinata lays on more air palms
Sakura now aware of the air palms dodges the rest with her superior speed and reaction feats.
she at least needs more time to study them. it took her the whole battle to doge Iron sand world EVEn with help from chiyo but she still got hit
Sakura closes the distance enough for either one of these situations.
sakura is not significantly fast enough to catch up to hinata who would keep the distance by running

A: Sakura gets in 5m range cracks ground throwing hinata off balance and moves in for the final blow. Which hinata wioth her lack of reaction feat cant counter.
Neither Naruto or Kakashi siginficantlly were off balance so why would Hinata be. Also with Bykugan she would see the chakra built into her fist and she would obviously attack the ground as she looks at her. So Hinatta could either jump or use chakra concentration... or just stand there since the being off-balance does not do much

B: Sakura with superior speed feat completely closes the distance and cracks hinatas skull because of her lack of speed/reaction feats.
reations... okay
but you act like she is so much faster than Hinata. With a 50m distance sakura is not closing the distance that easily that fast.

C: Sakura attempt to attack, hinata somehow mamages to counter (being generous here) and sakura bashes her skull in with the next hit.
hinata dodges using legit taijutsu/reactioin skillz and uses close up air palms/gentle fist

@Pop

Fights dont need to be fair again advantage for sakura.

huh

how does sakura gain the advantage
hinata has been in all fair fights she does not need cheap tricks or surprises
how will she trick hinata??

Heji Oka
01-26-2013, 06:09 AM
No one has been instantly K.O by gentle fist. As for your rediculous argeuemt about Sakura not hitting back are you high is lall I have to say to that. She is going to stand their and get hit and not try a counter. Yeah no. ALso gentlke fist is not that different or hard to counter. Naruto taijutsu skill wasn't even decent when he went up against a much more skilled Neji. Gentle fist is just taijutsu which will be close combat. Yeah Hinata would be more skilled in
First of all Zetsu is trash I don't count fodder as feat. Next statement Sakura made earlier in the battle against Sasori to counter her feats. That is asinine you do know manga characters gain experience and grow stronger during their fights. She clearly learned to read sasori movements as stated by Chiyo herself.She even panicked and got knocked back during Iron sand world order. That was all Sakura. So are you calling the manga a lie?


Yeah Sakura would have lost to Neji your point. The real point is Neji trolled her she didn't do anything significant in the fight. Sakura didn't defeat Ssori what she did was counter some of his moves and gain experience. That is her feat which is a 100 times better than Hinata's nothing.
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Do you not see the length of the crater? Do you not understand what aoe is? It was clearly above air palms. Landing it isn't the point. The point is what happens to anything connecting with that fist.


Which doesn't cause enough damage to put someone down immediatialy. Hinata kept going even after being tagged multiple times by it. So did Naruto.

Doesn't matter if she was on her own or not. Sasori is a mass murderer. Not only that never heard anyone say she had better taijutsu than hinata. Hinata is more skilled in taijutsu. But that is only her form and movement the way it looks. Real life looks don't mean crap in a fight she tries gentle fist up close and gets put down immediately.

I know the Hinata wankery is crazy.

This only further proves that you as a debator have a long way to go, is it to say that sakura would just stand still no, but here you are making it out as if hinata will.
Next as to it not being difficult to counter don't use naruto seeing as he was only able to counter with the nine tail fox, does sakura have that no so it does not apply to her.

No it is not asinine because she herself said it, yes she was starting to read his movements. It amazes me that you skip right to that part forget to mention how she was able to do so in the first place. Yes she was able to start reading his movements however can you say that she would have survived his first traps at th beginning without Chiyo. Without that would she even had made it to the point of reading Sasoris moves, no she wouldn't have. Your willing to skip to the end result to suit your argument but completely disregard what it took to get there. As far as Sakura dodging new world order as I showed you with the pages I posted you can clearly see Chiyo use her chakra strings to help her dodge, if not for that Sakura would not have had scratches but instead impaled. Look at the manga page Chiyo wasn't knocked back before she used her chakra strings.

It doesn't matter that Neji trolled her Sakura wouldn't even had made it to the same point so using Neji as why she wasn't a good fighter doesn't support you.

You say that she gathered all this experience in dodging but couldn't dodge Kabutos flying body. So tell me where was her experience then, not only that being hit by his body knocked her out. So tell me where was this wealth of dodging experience when she was causly hit by four tail naruto who wasn't even moving at a decent speed. Oh wait your going to tell me something along the lines of that she was too emotional to dodge.

Next your crater argument is poor. That's like saying that a bomb took out four city blocks has farther range than a sniper hitting a target from eight city blocks away. Did the bomb have a bigger blast radius yes it did, did it have more range and distance than the bullet no it didn't since the bullet could travel a farther distance.

yes it does matter that she wasn't on her own because that was the only way she was able to accomplish any of her "feats". Do you hear yourself if you don't land it then none of the effects your talking about matter. Yes I could throw a grenade a cause a decent amount of destruction however it doesn't matter how much destruction it can cause until it is thrown.

How would she be put down, Sakura has no technique just brute strength, there is no deception to how she fights nor does she employ deception. Hinatas gentle fist is about technique, you speak of it not being that complicated yet only one person was able to dodge the gentle fist that being pain. You say that Hinata and naruto came back after being hit with it but fail to mention that they could do nothing while being hit with. Even going further to ignore while they can tank hits as shown in the manga Sakura has never been shown to take a physical attack, A) when she and Ino hit each other resulting in a draw B) when she was hit by Kabutos flying body and knocked unconscious. So as it stands no if sakura was hit by gentle fist she would not counter attack because she does not have the attributes that allowed the others to do so, so please stop using them as a reference since one has a demon to fall back on and the other practices the style all her life.

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 07:23 AM
This only further proves that you as a debator have a long way to go, is it to say that sakura would just stand still no, but here you are making it out as if hinata will. never said learn to read would I said was Hinata would attack Sakura would counter. You are extemely delusional if you think that won't happen if Hinata goes in for close range.
Next as to it not being difficult to counter don't use naruto seeing as he was only able to counter with the nine tail fox, does sakura have that no so it does not apply to her.
Yeah no stop right there. Number one Neji skill level is and always be several levels above Hinata. Next Neji had rotation which is another reason he could counter. Hinata is not Neji so stop trying to give her his accomplishments.
No it is not asinine because she herself said it, yes she was starting to read his movements. It amazes me that you skip right to that part forget to mention how she was able to do so in the first place. Yes she was able to start reading his movements however can you say that she would have survived his first traps at th beginning without Chiyo. Without that would she even had made it to the point of reading Sasoris moves, no she wouldn't have. Your willing to skip to the end result to suit your argument but completely disregard what it took to get there. As far as Sakura dodging new world order as I showed you with the pages I posted you can clearly see Chiyo use her chakra strings to help her dodge, if not for that Sakura would not have had scratches but instead impaled. Look at the manga page Chiyo wasn't knocked back before she used her chakra strings.
The whole fight represents Sakura growth which is why your be backpedaling on the chapters is asinine. The fact remains she became skilled enough to read Sasoris movements. Which will always be above anything Hinatas gonna pull. Not going back over the Chiyo thing downplaying is only gonna continue so pointless.
It doesn't matter that Neji trolled her Sakura wouldn't even had made it to the same point so using Neji as why she wasn't a good fighter doesn't support you.
Lol at the Neji fixation in general. The only thing that matters about the feat is Hinata git teashed. How this is a feat for her is beyond me. Wanking is at all time high.
You say that she gathered all this experience in dodging but couldn't dodge Kabutos flying body. So tell me where was her experience then, not only that being hit by his body knocked her out. So tell me where was this wealth of dodging experience when she was causly hit by four tail nauto who wasn't even moving at a decent speed. Oh wait your going to tell me somethng along the lines of that she was too emotional to dodge.
Lol you don't know what a low end is.

Next your crater argument is poor. That's like saying that a bomb took out four city blocks has farther range than a sniper hitting a target from eight city blocks away. Did the bomb have a bigger blast radius yes it did, did it have more range and distance than the bullet no it didn't since the bullet could travel a farther distance.
No ch and pg of air palms traveling farther thought so. Your arguement has 0 credibility.

yes it does matter that she wasn't on her own because that was the only way she was able to accomplish any of her "feats". Do you hear yourself if you don't land it then none of the effects your talking about matter. Yes I could throw a grenade a cause a decent amount of destruction however it doesn't matter how much destruction it can cause until it is thrown.
You are talking like Hinata can dodge Sakuras blows indefinitely. The proof of this is what.

How would she be put down, Sakura has no technique just brute strength, there is no deception to how she fights nor does she employ deception. Hinatas gentle fist is about technique, you speak of it not being that complicated yet only one person was able to dodge the gentle fist that being pain. You say that Hinata and naruto came back after being hit with it but fail to mention that they could do nothing while being hit with. Even going further to ignore while they can tank hits as shown in the manga Sakura has never been shown to take a physical attack, A) when she and Ino hit each other resulting in a draw B) when she was hit by Kabutos flying body and knocked unconscious. So as it stands no if sakura was hit by gentle fist she would not counter attack because she does not have the attributes that allowed the others to do so, so please stop using them as a reference since one has a demon to fall back on and the other practices the style all here.
Yeah no you are saying a twelve year old Hinata took gentle fist and kept going. So gentle fist putting someone down immediately no. Next Brutes strength decimated technique such is exactly what happened to Neji he go overwhelmed by pure power and he was using rotation. You can rant all you want but the fact us simple once Sakura lands a blow on Hinata she dies. It doesnt work the other way around you say that Hinata has overwhelming skull advantage. Prove it by showing actual Hinata feats. Lol aand no matter how much you try she doesn't have Neji skills with gentle fist.

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 08:05 AM
whats wrong DL having a hard time everyone countering what you say?

321zigzag3
01-26-2013, 08:08 AM
whats wrong DL having a hard time everyone countering what you say?

Regardless of how the opponents see Devils Lawyer's countering, you cannot say he is having a hard time since it appears he is taking it easy.

This post is false in that respect.

Heji Oka
01-26-2013, 08:22 AM
never said learn to read would I said was Hinata would attack Sakura would counter. You are extemely delusional if you think that won't happen if Hinata goes in for close range.

Yeah no stop right there. Number one Neji skill level is and always be several levels above Hinata. Next Neji had rotation which is another reason he could counter. Hinata is not Neji so stop trying to give her his accomplishments.

The whole fight represents Sakura growth which is why your be backpedaling on the chapters is asinine. The fact remains she became skilled enough to read Sasoris movements. Which will always be above anything Hinatas gonna pull. Not going back over the Chiyo thing downplaying is only gonna continue so pointless.

Lol at the Neji fixation in general. The only thing that matters about the feat is Hinata git teashed. How this is a feat for her is beyond me. Wanking is at all time high.

Lol you don't know what a low end is.


No ch and pg of air palms traveling farther thought so. Your arguement has 0 credibility.


You are talking like Hinata can dodge Sakuras blows indefinitely. The proof of this is what.


Yeah no you are saying a twelve year old Hinata took gentle fist and kept going. So gentle fist putting someone down immediately no. Next Brutes strength decimated technique such is exactly what happened to Neji he go overwhelmed by pure power and he was using rotation. You can rant all you want but the fact us simple once Sakura lands a blow on Hinata she dies. It doesnt work the other way around you say that Hinata has overwhelming skull advantage. Prove it by showing actual Hinata feats. Lol aand no matter how much you try she doesn't have Neji skills with gentle fist.

Yet how is that to happen if Hinata goes in close what evidence do you have that supports this that is what I am waiting for.

No one gave her his accomplishments, no one even mentioned him you can simply look at her fighting style and the so called dodging sakura did and using logic know that sakura can't dodge all of them.

It is a feat because she showed the ability to fight for a while and even take a hit and keep going where as sakura has not.

No it is not low end simply because you don't like how it defeats your argument. She was said to have great dodging yet has not dodged anything since then which disproves this great ability to dodge.

No your argument has zero credibility. ch 246 page 12 sakuras so called crater. ch 616 page 12 the distance that air palm traveled as shown the"crater" did not have more range.

The proof is her close combat fight with Neji until the chakra points were blocked where is Sakuras close combat dodging oh thats right she has none unless you can show proof.

NO one said that it puts them down immediately please read the post in its entirety first before replying. I said that no one could react while being hit by it. both hinata and naruto could do nothing while being and could only do something afterward. Once again that is the nine tail chakra and even then he didn't beat neji with that he beat him by coming from under ground so your argument still does not apply. Point is that sakura will not hit her, hinatas close combat feats ch 79 pages 6-7 and page 9 now you show me even one feat of Sakuras Taijutsu being of that level even in part two. it even shows her ability to dodge which she did with no help from outside forces.

All I have given hinata is either her own or a generalization of what the manga says her fighting style can do, you want to say i have given her nejis but that is only so you can try and twist the facts but that won't help because once a gain all you have are sakuras support feats but no actual feats she can do on her own.

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 08:29 AM
Regardless of how the opponents see Devils Lawyer's countering, you cannot say he is having a hard time since it appears he is taking it easy.

This post is false in that respect.

NOt when he uses false statements such as saying that
Hinata vs Neji was not a fight when it WAS
or
Hinata vs Pain was not a fight when it WAS
or that
Sakura dodged chiyo without help whic is false because it was obvious that chiyo pulled on her chakra threads to pull Sakura out of the way

koshej
01-26-2013, 08:29 AM
(Check page 5 for my Sakura fight example.)
I found out who it was.
It was Fuen from Shippuden 54.
YES, a FILLER!!!
So, I'm still looking/waiting for a MANGA one-on-one fight where Sakura shone.
As of Hinata:
Shippuden 190 is the magnet dude defeat, plus Bikochu arc filler with Shugohakke.
Sure, both are FILLERS, so it ultimately proves nothing.
So - any MANGA examples for EITHER GIRL???

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 08:57 AM
Well the thing is he can't koshej.

Sakura fought Ino... AND SAKURA SHOULD HAVE LOST
but Naruto had to step in and help out

SO ya see Sakura never won a fight without some sort of help.

koshej
01-26-2013, 09:24 AM
Unfortunately, Hinata probably would give up to Neji too, if not for Naruto's shouting.
But I'm asking for POSITIVE examples, not FAILURES.
So?

Godaime Kazekage
01-26-2013, 09:25 AM
Okay,wow-this getting out of control. Devil's Lawyer, you're such a troll-Yes, Hinata doesn't have a lot of feats, but you're up and spouting lots of straight up lies in your arguments-you also accuse the Hinata supporters of downplaying abilities, but you do the exact same thing with "air palm tickles" and Gentle fist strength. So let's use chapters and page numbers here the right way.

You say Sakura "dodged" Iron Sand World Order:
Chapter 270 Pages 14-16: Chiyo is clearly seen making the motion to pull Sakura back and Sakura is moving backwards with chakra threads attached to her. Two pages later she is shown with multiple cuts. Controlled by Chiyo and no dodge there. And "her skill at watching Sasori's movements"-she watched his fingers to see the direction he would attack from -had the whole time prior while Chiyo was controlling her to figure it out too. Not going to be useful when someone is in your face.

You and IWD seem to think that people of the same speed have equal chances of hitting each other in a fight: This is negated by the fact that it's obviously not true even in real life with people who practice martial arts against your everyday lay man. Hinata is shown blocking and brushing aside Neji's attacks in her fighting. Her taijutsu style is about flowing movements and redirecting opponents attacks. Sakura's is to pull back and punch with obvious movements. Here's a reference for you:
Chapter 452 Pages 13-14: Sakura pulls back to punch Omoi or Karui. Instead she gets owned by a kick from Omoi. Omoi is the same rank as Sakura and Hinata (chuunin), but I suppose you're going to tell me that Omoi is really fast even though he has absolutely zero speed feats. Sakura has the same pattern of winding up for her punches every time-I can get the pages for you if you want really want them. Who has Sakura actually landed a hit on in a straight up fight?-oh right, no one. Sakura is clearly not proficient at CQC-as stated by Tsunade herself the super strength acts as a deterrent so the opponent will be intimidated and not want to attack the medic.

You say Sakura's attacks have more range than air palms:
Chapter 246: Again Sakura does her trademark windup and punches the ground creating a crater of about 8 meters of so in size. (Easy moment for Hinata to jump and hit with air palm)
Chapter 614 Pages 11 and 12: Hiashi's airpalm covers at least 50 meters. I'm not very good with distance, but the adult ninja are roughly 2 meters in length and they look like little specks from the distance.
Chapter 616 Page 11: Hinata deflects the Juubi's hand from ~20 meters away.

On the subject of dodging air palms: Chapter 256 Pages 6 and 7: Neji's airpalm appears to cross the gap between him and Kisame near instantaneously as Guy and Lee are still suspended in mid air when Kisame is struck. All the other uses of air palm seem to agree with this showing the target being hit at the same time the user is in position with their hand. Do you think Sakura has the speed to dodge that?

Edit:
Instead of replying to everyone and everything here, inshort this is why hinata loses.

Hinatas pros:
Larger range(air palms)
Inner damage
Better sight range (whoopty doo in a bg default distance of 50 m).

Sakuras Pros:
O.H.K.O (One Hit K.O)
More reaction feats then hinata. Supported by the pages i provided in a earlier post. No...She knew Zetsu was coming and Sasori's fodder puppets aren't hyped to be fast.
More speed feats then hinata (who because lack of feats cannot be considered faster then an avarge chuunin). Where...?
Intelligence(Having both knowledge on the complex working of drugs and how to neutralize them and seeing through sasoris attack patterns). Knowledge of drugs and having a grace period while someone else is controlling you to analyze the opponent's attacks wont help in a cqc fight.
According Pop appearently taking people by suprise which is how Cqc is usually won.
Can heal herself.

Air palm doesnt noticably damage the chakra system as kisame still was able to use both water clone and aquaprison after being hit by it. So sakura will still be able to heal. Good luck standing around healing while you get hit with more of them.

Hinatas uses an air palm sakura gets hit and heals. Sakura now aware of the air palms dodges the rest with her superior speed and reaction feats. Sakura closes the distance enough for either one of these situations. What superior speed and reactions? Look at my post about the speed of air palm and please tell me how Sakura dodges.

A: Sakura gets in 5m range cracks ground throwing hinata off balance and moves in for the final blow. Which hinata wioth her lack of reaction feat cant counter. Hinata jumps and hits with air palm. Like all of Sakura's attacks she winds up before hitting the ground.
B: Sakura with superior speed feat completely closes the distance and cracks hinatas skull because of her lack of speed/reaction feats. Again-what superior speed?
C: Sakura attempt to attack, hinata somehow mamages to counter (being generous here) and sakura bashes her skull in with the next hit. If she can hit her.

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 09:28 AM
Unfortunately, Hinata probably would give up to Neji too, if not for Naruto's shouting.
But I'm asking for POSITIVE examples, not FAILURES.
So?

Hinata is different now though..

She is no where as near as timid as she used to be
. that's Positive:mrgreen:

REP FOR GK


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About the Polls:

-I know the polls are not to be trusted. I do not trust them either but when somebody is winning by more than 3x the oppoent you know that person with the least votes lost.

-And No not all of the people are the polls are Narhina or Hinata fans or sakura haters. Even if you believe that the same goes for the people who voted FOR sakura. One of the people who voted is an avid NaruSaku fan. Sakura is even in their username

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 09:36 AM
Yet how is that to happen if Hinata goes in close what evidence do you have that supports this that is what I am waiting for.
I have told you the reasons you just won't accept the answer.the foremost reason is Hinata is not that skilled to not catch a counter. The proof is her life.

No one gave her his accomplishments, no one even mentioned him you can simply look at her fighting style and the so called dodging sakura did and using logic know that sakura can't dodge all of them.
That is your opinion. Her fighting style is rough because you don't understand it. If you did you would know that she could increase her movement speed and reactions when she concentrates. She did this before her training with Tsunade during her fight against Ino. She is way more skilled since then. Which is a blatant reason your downplaying is crap.
It is a feat because she showed the ability to fight for a while and even take a hit and keep going where as sakura has not.
Lol that is nothing she got decimated and that only proves gentle fist is crap on the immediate effectiveness side.

No it is not low end simply because you don't like how it defeats your argument. She was said to have great dodging yet has not dodged anything since ten which disproves this great ability to dodge.
That is a low end when a character misses something like that. Naruto was about to get hit with spikes so you mean to tell me Naruto is slower than the wooden spikes that fodder dodge.

No your argument has zero credibility. ch 246 page 12 sakuras so called crater. ch 616 page 12 the distance that air palm traveled as shown the"crater" did not have more range. kyuubi chakra Hinata get that ;);););) out of here. That is not even a normal airpalm.:lol:

The proof is her close combat fight with Neji until the chakra points were blocked where is Sakuras close combat dodging oh thats right she has none unless you can show proof.Hinata wad stomped the feat is ruled invalid by the vs gods. Why won't you accepts this fact.

NO one said that it puts them down immediately please read the post in its entirety first lbefore replying. I said that no one could react while being hit by it. both hinata and naruto could do nothing while being and could only do something afterward. Once again that is the nine tail chakra and even then he didn't beat neji with that he beat him by coming from under ground so your argument still does not apply. Point is that sakura will not hit her, hinatas close combat feats ch 79 pages 6-7 and page 9 now you show me even one feat of Sakuras Taijutsu being of that level even in part two. it even shows her ability to dodge which she did with no help from outside forces.
Taijutsu depends on the level of the practicioner. All that shows is Neji casually countering Hinata. Not only that Neji engaged Hinata at her pace. You do know if that was Sakura Hinata defense would have been smashed. Also in what realm does that equate to Sasori in anyway.
I have given hinata is either her own or a generalization of what the manga says her fighting style can do, you want to say i have given her nejis but that is only so you can try and twist the facts but that won't help because once a gain all you have are sakuras support feats but no actual feats she can do on her own.Lol Hinata skill level is still a bottom feeder you haven't provided anything but same bs be regurgitated.

Crair Uchiha
01-26-2013, 09:47 AM
Wow this is an intense argument -_-

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 09:51 AM
whats wrong DL having a hard time everyone countering what you say?
Lol if you say so. Me personally I think its easy to flush crap.

WishfulFairie
01-26-2013, 09:54 AM
Why...why is this thread still around?!?!
There's too damn many Sakura vs Hinata threads/polls! *rubs temples*

*fades away from this thread before death catches me*

Uchiha Sora
01-26-2013, 10:00 AM
Poll's don't matter PoP. A good chunk of those people don't even post here

I could make a Goku VS Supes thread and I could see a butt ton of people voting for goku :lol:

Heji Oka
01-26-2013, 10:08 AM
I have told you the reasons you just won't accept the answer.the foremost reason is Hinata is not that skilled to not catch a counter. The proof is her life.


That is your opinion. Her fighting style is rough because you don't understand it. If you did you would know that she could increase her movement speed and reactions when she concentrates. She did this before her training with Tsunade during her fight against Ino. She is way more skilled since then. Which is a blatant reason your downplaying is crap.

Lol that is nothing she got decimated and that only proves gentle fist is crap on the immediate effectiveness side.


That is a low end when a character misses something like that. Naruto was about to get hit with spikes so you mean to tell me Naruto is slower than the wooden spikes that fodder dodge.

kyuubi chakra Hinata get that ;);););) out of here. That is not even a normal airpalm.:lol:

Hinata wad stomped the feat is ruled invalid by the vs gods. Why won't you accepts this fact.


Taijutsu depends on the level of the practicioner. All that shows is Neji casually countering Hinata. Not only that Neji engaged Hinata at her pace. You do know if that was Sakura Hinata defense would have been smashed. Also in what realm does that equate to Sasori in anyway.
Lol Hinata skill level is still a bottom feeder you haven't provided anything but same bs be regurgitated.

Well well look at you getting all upset yet still not able to show proof of anything huh. All you have said is your opinion with no pages to back it up but when i give you the pages you seem to wish to fight the proof so sad.

Yes I remember what was said about her fighting style but you know what the funny thing is, while all that was said where was it in action. Please show me this increase in speed and reactions oh right you mean when Chiyo was holding her hand that reaction increase right but wait where is Chiyo for this fight, Laughable.
Still you say it was crap but where oh where is Sakuras great Taijutsu prowess to counter it, see the thing is you need facts which you have none of try again.

This isn't about naruto this is about Sakuras great "dodging" ability in action vs a flying limp body which you still seem to have no counter for.

really that is your defense that Hiata had help from the nine tails but your so willing to accept Chiyos help to sakura so if you can use that why can't I use this, so sad`:)

Now how would sakura be in the same position as Neji where in her "great" taijutsu arsenal allows her to keep up with such movements, chapter and page please. I have provided al I need to all you have to stand on is sakuras support character prowess.

I can see this is getting to you so I'll leave it alone since you have nothing to bring to this table, trying to downplay Hinatas ability while supercharging sakuras support abilities so hilarious. Yes I congratulate you on showing that Sakura with help can dodge giant blocks from a distance very good but the problem is that hinata is not at a distance and is much smaller and faster in close quarters show where in sakuras infinite dodging wisdom that she dodges these.
Also to the Hinata took the gentle fist lets look at this real, Sakura was punched in the face and knocked out hinata suffered a blow to the heart and kept going so what is more painful face punch or heart effecting attack you do the math. Since you have nothing more for me to disprove I am done with you and with this thread better luck next time kid.`:)

Uchiha Sora
01-26-2013, 10:14 AM
Zaaaayum , DL this dude just went for yo LIFE :lol:

Honestly don't know who would win here anymore though. I initially thought Hinata could block chakra but that doesn't seem to be the case. Without chakra blockage Hinata doesn't really have anything to stop Sakura before she eventually lands a hit

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 10:15 AM
Okay,wow-this getting out of control. Devil's Lawyer, you're such a troll-Yes, Hinata doesn't have a lot of feats, but you're up and spouting lots of straight up lies in your arguments-you also accuse the Hinata supporters of downplaying abilities, but you do the exact same thing with "air palm tickles" and Gentle fist strength. So let's use chapters and page numbers here the right way.

What lies air palm does tickle if not show some manga support non bruise of course. Also when has gentle fist put anyone down immediately. The only thing that is happening is your wet dream favorite is showing
You say Sakura "dodged" Iron Sand World Order:
Chapter 270 Pages 14-16: Chiyo is clearly seen making the motion to pull Sakura back and Sakura is moving backwards with chakra threads attached to her. Two pages later she is shown with multiple cuts. Controlled by Chiyo and no dodge there. And "her skill at watching Sasori's movements"-she watched his fingers to see the direction he would attack from -had the whole time prior while Chiyo was controlling her to figure it out too. Not going to be useful when someone is in your face. yeah notice you didn't mention the fact the attack had Chiyo panicking that she was thrown out of range. She didn't even know if Sakura was alive. That she was not even attached after the attack. Yeah small cuts compared to being skewered. Nevermind the flashback. Forget all that and continue your fap.

You and IWD seem to think that people of the same speed have equal chances of hitting each other in a fight: This is negated by the fact that it's obviously not true even in real life with people who practice martial arts against your everyday lay man. Hinata is shown blocking and brushing aside Neji's attacks in her fighting. Her taijutsu style is about flowing movements and redirecting opponents attacks. Sakura's is to pull back and punch with obvious movements. Here's a reference for you:
Chapter 452 Pages 13-14: Sakura pulls back to punch Omoi or Karui. Instead she gets owned by a kick from Omoi. Omoi is the same rank as Sakura and Hinata (chuunin), but I suppose you're going to tell me that Omoi is really fast even though he has absolutely zero speed feats. Sakura has the same pattern of winding up for her punches every time-I can get the pages for you if you want really want them. Who has Sakura actually landed a hit on in a straight up fight?-oh right, no one. Sakura is clearly not proficient at CQC-as stated by Tsunade herself the super strength acts as a deterrent so the opponent will be intimidated and not want to attack the medic. [Quote]
Yeah you have never been in a real fight . That was two hyuuga fighting Neji stayed in one place. Yeah like that is going to happen Narutos fighting style during the chunin exam was extremely rough and he still forced Neji out of his style. Rotation was the only thing that saved him. Your point is definetly so far gone. Sakura diet are like bombs she could just attack the ground and dominate the fight. Hinata would have no footing. Regardless of what you are saying Sakura could wind mill this fiht and win. All she has to is land a `!:)blow. Hinata has no movement he she was just bobbing and weaving she is flatfooted.

[Quote]You say Sakura's attacks have more range than air palms:
Chapter 246: Again Sakura does her trademark windup and punches the ground creating a crater of about 8 meters of so in size. (Easy moment for Hinata to jump and hit with air palm)
Chapter 614 Pages 11 and 12: Hiashi's airpalm covers at least 50 meters. I'm not very good with distance, but the adult ninja are roughly 2 meters in length and they look like little specks from the distance.
Chapter 616 Page 11: Hinata deflects the Juubi's hand from ~20 meters away.
Would have sounded legit if not for the fact .neither feat belongs to Hinata. Not even the one she performed.:lol:

On the subject of dodging air palms: Chapter 256 Pages 6 and 7: Neji's airpalm appears to cross the gap between him and Kisame near instantaneously as Guy and Lee are still suspended in mid air when Kisame is struck. All the other uses of air palm seem to agree with this showing the target being hit at the same time the user is in position with their hand. Do you think Sakura has the speed to dodge that?

Edit:
Yeah again not Hinata that is Neji...n..e..j..i there is a difference.

koshej
01-26-2013, 10:45 AM
I think all these Hinata vs Sakura threads are due to NaruSakus demanding it to be canon a bit too loud. :lol:
There's a Naruto vs Sasuke thread in the "recent posted" on the main page, but I didn't even go there, cause I don't care.
I did go to Goku vs Sasuke, cause it was kinda stupid to begin with (to even imply that Sasuke could win, or anyone from Narutoverse).
Now, back to H vs S, it has much more of a simple battle value - it also borders on "who is more useless/useful" problem that revolves around those two gals. :lol:
Well, Hinata recently is rapidly filling her "Sakura" gaps, while Sakura is yet to learn Juuken. :lol:
(Joking, kind of... Those two are different, so it's a bit stupid to compare them in rivalry...)

Devils Lawyer
01-26-2013, 11:05 AM
Well well look at you getting all upset yet still not able to show proof of anything huh. All you have said is your opinion with no pages to back it up but when i give you the pages you seem to wish to fight the proof so sad.
Lol individuals spouting faggotry have no right to act high and mighty. You haven't provided anything but bs and called it proof.

Yes I remember what was said about her fighting style but you know what the funny thing is, while all that was said where was it in action. Please show me this increase in speed and reactions oh right you mean when Chiyo was holding her hand that reaction increase right but wait where is Chiyo for this fight, Laughable.
Still you say it was crap but where oh where is Sakuras great Taijutsu prowess to did was pull yo counter it, see the thing is you need facts which you have none of try again.
Your reading comprehension is laughable all chiyo did was pull Sakura a few times. At the end of Iron sand order there was no chakra strings and chiyo was collapsed on the ground getting ready to be blitzed. They say if you wank to much you go blind it's true. Also wasn't even referring to that ch 71 17-18. She is even more skilled now at distributing her chakra and manipulating it. So catching and stomping Hinata is well within her abilities. Only you of the united fap society think otherwise.

This isn't about naruto this is about Sakuras great "dodging" ability in action vs a flying limp body which you still seem to have no counter for.
Yeah again you have no idea what a low end is and you are posting in a vs forum. Low ends occurs for every character so your point. Hinatas life is nothing but low ends.

really that is your defense that Hiata had help from the nine tails but your so willing to accept Chiyos help to sakura so if you can use that why can't I use this, so sad`:)
That is not a defense it's a fact that is not her power. Chiyo barely helped Sakura. during the third Kazekage confrontation. The kyuubi energy made her like 10 times stronger. So she can't really do none of that. How sad that you have to use it. Shows how pathetic your arguement is.

Now how would sakura be in the same position as Neji where in her "great" taijutsu arsenal allows her to keep up with such movements, chapter and page please. I have provided al I need to all you have to stand on is sakuras support character prowess.

Don't even know what the hell you are talking about here. No dodubt more faggotry.
I can see this is getting to you so I'll leave it alone since you have nothing to bring to this table, trying to downplay Hinatas ability while supercharging sakuras support abilities so hilarious. Yes I congratulate you on showing that Sakura with help can dodge giant blocks from a distance very good but the problem is that hinata is not at a distance and is much smaller and faster in close quarters show where in sakuras infinite dodging wisdom that she dodges these.

Not getting to me at all sounds like you are the one who is running low. Don't use me as cop out for your faggotry running on E. I have supercharged anything but gave out chapter and pages of feats. You are trying every possible avenue to give Hinat legitatimate feats. When the truth is in actuality she is worse than ten ten.
Also to the Hinata took the gentle fist lets look at this real, Sakura was punched in the face and knocked out hinata suffered a blow to the heart and kept going so what is more painful face punch or heart effecting attack you do the math. Since you have nothing more for me to disprove I am done with you and with this thread better luck next time kid.`:)

Yeah she didn't keep going she could barley stand. Yeah she totally withstood that and kept going. Hinata has 0 durability feats to speak of. Just more from the fap society.

Dragon Style
01-26-2013, 11:49 AM
OK so here is my thing about certain people that I shall now name, because I'm not one to just put people out like that and maybe I just feel this way because I personally think that Hinata would win, however before go off into how any why I think she would win I'll say this.

Some of the Sakura supporter are being kind of bias and one sided. OK you complain that Hinata's feats with air palms are trash simply because they were used against Zetsu and was powered up by the nine-tails later on , however you find no problem with the fact that all of Sakura's great feats were due to help from someone else and you also don't count Sakura's Zetsu feats as trash either. You completely ignore Hinata's part one feat, but expect everyone to care about Sakura's not so impressive part one feats. You say the people who are defending Hinata are like brick walls, but you are just as bad, I heard how our proof was BS when we gave chapters and page numbers proving what we said while some of the points you were trying to make, some of you gave chapters and page numbers that had nothing to do with what you were trying to prove, at some point one of you actually flat out lied which I honestly did not see the point in that.

Now on to other things. Hinata showed great speed in her fight against Neji and when she made it from the edge of the village to center to help Naruto so fast against Pain. Most people say the second one was not a feat, however I believe that is Sakura's one time so called evasion feat can be counted then this should to. This shows that Hinata does indeed have the ability to dodge and be fast enough to avoid being hit by Sakura because not even current Sakura could dodge the amount of Neji's attacks that Hinata did.

Sakura's punches and air palms were never compared since Neji was the only one using them up until the war and I think we can agree that Sakura can't be compared to Neji, Also unless you people were talking about when Sakura punches the ground, the range has no comparison.

The gentle fist deals damage to the opponent while attacking their chakra network in order to damage it which also dmages the internal organs and and I find it hilarious that anyone believes that Sakura could not only dodge the gentle fist entirely including the glaceing blow, but that she could simply brush of or easy heal the damage, Sakura has never healed damage such as that before.

Yes Sakura hit the puppet, but it was heading right for her so it's not like it was all that complicated for to do so. Chiyo helped her dodge the entire time, you even see in the manga that she basically had her string on her the entire time, rather Sakura was getting the hang of things or not, she still needed Chiyo's help and that's the bottom line on that.

IWD No Hinata has not shown herself to be able to hit anything either, but the people she fought shouldn't even been compared to the people Sakura faught because the people who Hinata fought would stomp the people Sakura fought, plus Hinata always had to do all the fighting by herself while Sakura did not and still had a very hard time getting the win which was never gotten by her, herself. So in 1v1 I believe Hinata shows more promise.

With the Byakugan Hinata would not be caught off guard by Sakura which has basically been Sakura's greatest strength. Also Hinata technically does have more combat experience since A) she did start training at the age of three and B) During the time skip Sakura did not mission as said by Tsunade Also C) While Sakura was worried about her looks and Sasuke it was shown that At that time all Hinata ever did was train.

Now I believe I may be forgetting something, but I'm kind of pressed for time now so if I did I'll remember it later byez

Dragon Style: I'll Be Back No Jutsu!

koshej
01-26-2013, 12:22 PM
I have a solution:
Take any recent game that has both; go to a tournament mode with a lot of fights (all AIs); make ALL the fights exactly Sakura vs Hinata; see the winner.
Repeat for better accuracy.
At least you'd get a "real" answer, however non-canon. :lol:

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-26-2013, 02:19 PM
Please IWD,
SHow us how to really debate. Sakura has shown no Taijutsu feats compared to HInata. Sakura has never moved that fast in cqc as Hinata has

problem with mocking someone like this is you have to be winning the debate you're getting your ass kicked and constantly needing others to reinforce your side..DL reamed you long before I got here..my action here is specifically to serve notice to you and the entire naruto fandom in this section that things will get progressively meaner for you if you continue to debate in such an abhorrent border line trollish fashion.

As to you..again you readily admit both characters have zero speed feats..one is a glass canon the other is a tank

this isn't up for debate

What is amazing is how in that the possibility of Sakura being hit with gentle fist which damages internal organs is being downplayed. Saying that if Hinata hits her she will hit back but nowhere in the manga has it ever showed Sakura tank a hit to counter in such a way. Even more amazing is that if Hinata hits she would only hit once seeing as the gentle fist style itself is comprised of multiple strikes.

Why is someone who has zero speed feats hitting someone who has at one point managed to catch Kakashi by surprise?

[Other Amazing thing is that for Sakura to beat Zesu its counted as a "feat" but for Hinata it is a trash feat despite the fact they are the same person. That sakura is given the feat of being able to "dodge" Sasoris attacks despite the fact that A) In ch 265 page 10 before the fight she admits that she has no reaction at all or b) that up until she was able to read his attack patterns that she had to rely on Chiyo to dodge them or that new world order was only dodged because of chiyo. These feats are readily given to sakura despite the fact she herself could not have accomplished them but the fact that Hinata dodged most of Nejis attacks before her charkra points were cut off is ignored.

what I find spectacular is how people are using the chounin exam feat as if its impressive by post time skip standards or has any validity or meaning whatsoever (and considering Kishi's such a hack he can't even keep things internally consistent between mere chapters much less stuff he wrote over a decade ago I'm tempted to make a ruling separating the two into entirely different continuities )..when Neiji more or less had to be pulled off her..a vastly inferior neiji at that

[Then the only come back to that is Neji wasn't fighting seriously ignoring the fact that if had been Sakura in her place it wouldn't have even gotten that far.


totally not blatantly disingenuous here bro

because you know..chounin exam Sakura is totally the same monstrosity as the animal she is now

Then it said that Sakuras punch has more range than air palm but the only evidence is that she made a crater which hit no one. How does this prove more range, does it prove that it is more destructive yes but that it can travel farther no.

it proves that she has a destructive radius that Hinata has no durability to survive



Also that for Sakura to cause any type of damage with her kicks or punches that she has to make some sort of contact with the opponent. However completely ignoring that in the manga it states that even if the gentles fists physical hand misses that the chakra being thrown with it can still strike you and cause internal damage.'

against a regenerator..yeah nice

That these "feats" are given to sakura and used but no mention of how she attained them like making it seem that she was able to pressure someone on her on or that she can dodge attacks on her own. Even more so that her Taijutsu is better than Hinatas because of her strength but completely forgetting the fact that while sakura just started her intensive training in taijutsu these past few years. While Hinata has been doing taijutsu her whole life since that is her clans main fighting style and weapon. But sakura with only a few years under her belt is somehow much better in taijutsu than Hinata.

and she absolutely sucked at it


People need to stop using selective memory and evidence and look at the whole evidence because if you don't then you are simply being unreasonably biased with nothing to truly support you.

people need to stop entering threads pretending that they are the only bastion of honesty and objectivity left when they are neither.


About the Polls:

-I know the polls are not to be trusted. I do not trust them either but when somebody is winning by more than 3x the oppoent you know that person with the least votes lost.

-And No not all of the people are the polls are Narhina or Hinata fans or sakura haters. Even if you believe that the same goes for the people who voted FOR sakura. One of the people who voted is an avid NaruSaku fan. Sakura is even in their username

yeah...this is a feat based debate system..you will not cite any polls ever..lemme just lay that out here for everybody


You are a bias jerk. How can you say HInata did not put up a fight and sakura did? The sond 3 were not even going all out. Neji and others were actually impressed.

and with this you have lost any credibility you have

Devils Lawyer is absolutely right about Hinata being a dismal failure as evidence by Neji's near prison rape of her...whereas Sakura made a fight of an obviously out matched battle with two professional experienced killers.

you've raged at DL for being a jerk..you have stone walled and ignored evidence used no limits fallacies and engaged in a bunch of other really bad conduct..

it's pretty clear you are arguing in favor of Hinata for non objective reasons and your recent bawwing about it is proof enough

You will cease debating in this thread until further notice..this is an official mod ruling

BMC,Uchiha Sora if you see him posting again in this thread use the thread ban function and throw him out..

The Immortal Watch Dog
01-26-2013, 02:29 PM
You and IWD seem to think that people of the same speed have equal chances of hitting each other in a fight: This is negated by the fact that it's obviously not true even in real life with people who practice martial arts against your everyday lay man. Hinata is shown blocking and brushing aside Neji's attacks in her fighting. Her taijutsu style is about flowing movements and redirecting opponents attacks.

Really? You think so? Because I've seen plenty of retards who take martial arts go up against someone stronger than them, heavier than them and even slightly slower than them..and get their faces pounded into the floor because any moron who thinks he can make a fight out of someone who can literally toss them around like a rag doll no matter the training is usually completely drunk off their own ego or a massive Otaku (oh and I know you meant laymen as in someone of average stats comparable to the other guy..but that's a disingenuous analogy given Sakura vs Hinata is the equivalent of putting Jet Li in a ring with Mark Henry and expecting Li to actually do anything but get violently brutalized )

in fact I used to write commentary dedicated to making fun of Mcdojo idiots..it was a fun gig it allowed me to dump on the weeaboo/Otaku culture and make a decent buck out of it

you're right Hinata is a martial artist..while Sakura is a laymen..she's a brawler

but she is superior to her in every way that matters..she's tougher, she's overwhelmingly stronger and she had way better quality training (because unlike Hinata who was such a failure her dirt bag father spent more time training her little sister than her)

tldr: she bulldozes through Hinatas flowery martial arts with good old fashioned punches

edit- wait did someone seriously try to use Hinatas demon chakra steroided feats as evidence? WAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

also..arguing martial arts and battle tactics with DL- dudes a soldier or was one..guy knows his stuff

not that I'm saying he's Omar Bradley or anything but really..

BMC1994
01-26-2013, 02:37 PM
@Godaime
Just like sakura isnt near tsunade level hinata is not hiashi or neji.Stop powerscaling off them.

But sasori is and she grabbed him by whatvever the rope like construction was flinged him around and smashed hi in bits. Which is just one of few moments where chiyo didnt assist her.

Didnt think i really needed to say this but atleast every feat after chiyo brings out her then puppets(which occupy all her ten fingers so no fingers left to help sakura) are her own. Or are you trying to say she moved them with her eyeballs?

Gave pages for sakuras reaction and speed feats in this thread and the tier list debate. Look them them up. Posting them two times is more then enough for everybody to read them. Let your debating do the word for you.

Sakura didnt need to wind up agianst zetsu so she wont need to wind up against hinata.

@Heji

If i need to explain why sakuras feats are her own i'd be repeating what i have been saying in the previous idk how many posts.

And using hinata with kyuubi chakra as her own feat? If you think that a hinata in base could deflect a juubi tail you should get out of here.

Hinata was about to collapse after taking nejis gentle fist, and would die if neji wouldve continued which is why those 4 examiners had to stop neji. I wouldnt call that tanking.

@Pop

Please for your own sake stop using polls as evidence.

Also regardless how bad you may think someone is trolling/stoneawalling/downplaying etc you shouldnt fall back on insults as that will only make you look worse instead of DL.

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 03:25 PM
@Pop

Please for your own sake stop using polls as evidence.
That is not my only point.

Also regardless how bad you may think someone is trolling/stoneawalling/downplaying etc you shouldnt fall back on insults as that will only make you look worse instead of DL.

My bad I agree

BMC1994
01-26-2013, 03:30 PM
I wasnt saying you were doing any of that. read my post.

PrinceofPeace
01-26-2013, 03:38 PM
@IWD

How am I mocking you? And what reinforcements? You mean the people who agree that Sakura would lose? As GK said DL is a troll... a lying troll who downplays others. If he is a good debater then I see why the BG's have fallen. One can attack from different ranges while the other is a one trick pony.

So I lose all my cred and DL does not? So He can call her fights not fights but Sakrua can?? Sakura has never even won a fair fight on her own. The sound trio went easy on her.

Once again her foes underestimated her and went easy on her. Sakura just stalled. She was able to trick a simple ninja with her sub spam. Dosu did not even step into the battle. Kin barely did anything either. Sakura resorted to bite her opponent cuz she could not do anything else.

what have Ignored? How am I stone walling?? I provided chps and pages for everything and I countered everything DL said with evidence

Me preferring Hinata has NOTHING to do with this. I have given reason after reason that you did not put to notice

Once again you do not give me an example of how or what I did wrong. So how am I supposed to learn.

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Overall Hinata does not need to get close to win. She wins from mid range.

It took the whole battle for Sakura to understand Sasori's movements and learn how to dodge them. ANd yet she still needed help to dodge Iron Sand Method

What did Sakura dodge by herslef?? Chiyo had helped sakura for the majority of the whole battle.

So how is she going to dodge Air Palms? Esspecially right off the bat. DL even said that Air Palms would "tickle" yet he gets no slap on the wrist??!?!?!?!!!?

Hinata is smart enough to keep her distance and attack from afar. This way Sakura has no chance of getting a hit in.

There speed differences are not significant to catch up with each other and attack.

WishfulFairie
01-26-2013, 03:43 PM
@Prince
DL doesn't lose cred because he's purposely being a troll as he debates (he is a good debater, just likes messing with people). You lose cred, because you aren't trying to be a troll yet you're sorta acting like one.

Now will you all let this damned thread die and go to thread hell?!

Shikamaru Nara
01-26-2013, 03:45 PM
Everyone involved in this thread seriously deserves a trolling infraction.
Everyone.

Check yourselves. -_-