Kakashi vs. Tobi/Obito

[Wooster]

All abilities and jutsu know to each other. They also both know kamui connects to Tobi's dimension i.e no surprises. They don't give a ;);););) about who betrayed whom, otherwise in character.

Location: Forest of Death

Fight to the decapitation.

Who wins?

Edit: Tobi can't summon things he needs the Gedo statue for. Tobi only gets rinnegan jutsu he shown thus far (zilch)

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

Heh. I just gotta pop this in here.

Traditional CoP answer: Kakashi auto wins for not being an Uchiha.

[Wooster]

What if Tobi was just Tobi Smith? `:P

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

No idea who that is. But still, same answer.

[Wooster]

Reason? Tobi has plant powerz. Kakashi relies too much on kamui. And what good is lightning blade on Tobi? none

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

hm. The other guy u mentioned, is a musician?
Kakashi copies the greatest musician/singer there has ever lived and beats that Tobi guy.

Anyways. I'll stop spamming.


Hm. An edit.

If Kakashi happens to get a clone sucked into the other dimension, he could possible start pummeling Obito from there. From the real world he aims from te heart an then that part would go to the other place then Kakashi's clone could raikiri him from there.
But it would take quick thinking for Kakashi to avoid Obito's other jutsus.


On a side question, is fire or lightning strong against Mokuton?

[megabbaut]

Might wanna take out Obito in the title to avoid spoilers.

Tobi should be able to stomp.

[Wooster]

Pshaw, no one gives a crap about Naruto anymore to care about spoilers. Besides as far as you know, maybe I am just assuming Tobi is Obito or maybe Tobi AND Obito :ugeek:

What did I just say about betrayal? No one cares. TNJ FAIL

[PrinceofPeace]

Obito has Juubbi summoning and Kyubbi summoning in this right?? GG

[Wooster]

Nope, Madara has those now. Tobi doesn't get jinchuriki either, those were Kabuto's.

It's Tobi and Kakashi mano-a-mano..and Kakashi's clones..and electric clones..and ninja hounds of course `:P

Tobi also can't use rinnegan powers he has yet to show, that means no chakra sucking or push-pull. :lol:

Of course, Izanagi is always in play, but don't think he can use his rinnegan for that. High risk-reward if Tobi uses that. ;)

[Rikudo-Sennin Kage]

Tobi/Obito would definately win because of his jutsus and his KGs (Kekki Genkai.

[PrinceofPeace]

I c u had to modify OP......

I still say that obito wins . Cuz Kakashi can not hit obito easily. Kakashi can kaumi himself to kaumiland but fails to stay intangible.

Obito also has madara's items at his disposal.

And I believe it is IC so Kakashi woul be hesitant

[Wooster]

I didn't. I clarified. :ugeek: Really didn't think anyone would assume tobi gets the Jyuubi xD

Kakashi can Kamui any object to hit Tobi.

[Devils Lawyer]

Pshaw, no one gives a crap about Naruto anymore to care about spoilers. Besides as far as you know, maybe I am just assuming Tobi is Obito or maybe Tobi AND Obito :ugeek:

What did I just say about betrayal? No one cares. TNJ FAIL

Pretty sure Naruto is still the number one manga Hate or love it the manga is still on top.:lol:

[PrinceofPeace]

How does Kakashi counter obito's fire/kaumi ninjutsu?
Flame pillar GG

[Wooster]

Tobi doesn't use flames. Chapter and verse, please.
Anyway, kakashi can just put up a mud wall or, you know, hide behind a tree. :lol:

[megabbaut]

Chapter 600 page 15/16

And what stomping Obito from kamui'ing the mud wall/tree?

[PrinceofPeace]

Look at chap 598 for the pillar as well

[Wooster]

Tobi doesn't use Kamui that way. Standing by a tree and going through his long eye suck would probably be a good way to die. He'd better off just passing through it.

Remember Konan and the paper bombs now.

Tobi didn't use flames in 598, he only shot out some shuriken from the magical boxland of boxes :lol:

[PrinceofPeace]

In 598 he used the barrier which he could trap Kakashi in
Tobi does not use kaumi in what way?

[Godaime Kazekage]

Kakashi can definitely win this if plays his cards right. Let's say the fight starts how it did in Chapter 608. Obito sends shuriken at Kakashi and Kakashi blocks it with Mud Wall. Next, Kakashi creates a lightning clone and goes underground while Obito can't see him (This really wouldn't take that much time-shadow clones are one handsign). If Obito tries to slash the clone with a shuriken he's going to get electrocuted and Kakashi can pop up and Raikiri him to the heart. If Obito sucks him into Kamuiland, Kakashi will have a clone that can attack Obito whenever he tries to phase out of Kakashi's attacks.

[BMC1994]

Nice but it already fails because obito can shoot fumas out of his eyes. Not requiring any touch.

[PrinceofPeace]

Kakashi can definitely win this if plays his cards right. Let's say the fight starts how it did in Chapter 608. Obito sends shuriken at Kakashi and Kakashi blocks it with Mud Wall. Next, Kakashi creates a lightning clone and goes underground while Obito can't see him
^Obito would know that the lighting clone is a clone cuz of the sharigan.
(This really wouldn't take that much time-shadow clones are one handsign). If Obito tries to slash the clone with a shuriken he's going to get electrocuted and Kakashi can pop up and Raikiri him to the heart. If Obito sucks him into Kamuiland, Kakashi will have a clone that can attack Obito whenever he tries to phase out of Kakashi's attacks.

Obito learned from his mistake so this time he would have warp it to decapitate it

[Godaime Kazekage]

Nice but it already fails because obito can shoot fumas out of his eyes. Not requiring any touch.

Obito isn't going to expect that Kakashi would do that, so why would he shoot fumas out of his eye when he's already next to Kakashi? He shoots the fumas out as a long ranged attack. Close range he likes to suck people in with Kamui or attack with the objects in his hands (fuma shuriken, gunbai). He'd likely do what he actually did in Chapter 608 and attack with a fuma in his hand.

[PrinceofPeace]

Obito isn't going to expect that Kakashi would do that, so why would he shoot fumas out of his eye when he's already next to Kakashi? He shoots the fumas out as a long ranged attack. Close range he likes to suck people in with Kamui or attack with the objects in his hands (fuma shuriken, gunbai). He'd likely do what he actually did in Chapter 608 and attack with a fuma in his hand.

Wait... Why would Obito use fumas in the first place? Obito knows that it would be countered by mud walls or Kakashi could dodge or warp them away.
Obito did that when Kakashi was at his limits not when it is at full health. If this would happen then you gotta explain how Kakashi gets so tired

[Godaime Kazekage]

Obito learned from his mistake so this time he would have warp it to decapitate it

Obito's Kamui can't do that-only Kakashi's can. Sharingan doesn't distinguish clones (only Madara can do that). At any rate, Kakashi could use a shadow clone instead of a lightning clone which I know for a fact the sharingan cannot differentiate.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Wait... Why would Obito use fumas in the first place? Obito knows that it would be countered by mud walls or Kakashi could dodge or warp them away.
Obito did that when Kakashi was at his limits not when it is at full health. If this would happen then you gotta explain how Kakashi gets so tired

Shooting projectiles from his eye or using a fire style attack is how Obito attacks from a distance. It has nothing to do with how tired his opponents are. Both could be blocked by Mud Wall. The point of the Mud Wall is to hide Kakashi from Obito while he makes the clones and goes underground, it also uses up a lot less chakra than Kamui. Kakashi would wait for Obito to use a ranged attack to put up the wall so that Obito would only think that it was used as a defensive measure and not really as it's true purpose of hiding Kakashi while he makes his clone.

Edit: Sorry for the double post, a mod can merge them if they want.

[BMC1994]

Obito isn't going to expect that Kakashi would do that, so why would he shoot fumas out of his eye when he's already next to Kakashi? He shoots the fumas out as a long ranged attack. Close range he likes to suck people in with Kamui or attack with the objects in his hands (fuma shuriken, gunbai). He'd likely do what he actually did in Chapter 608 and attack with a fuma in his hand.

I still dont see why he doesnt simply phase through the raikiri. He could shoot fumas because he doesnt have to physically exert himself to slice kakashi with what is supposed to be a long range weapon anyway.

[Godaime Kazekage]

I still dont see why he doesnt simply phase through the raikiri. He could shoot fumas because he doesnt have to physically exert himself to slice kakashi with what is supposed to be a long range weapon anyway.

Hmmm-how can I explain this...maybe it will make more sense if you reread Chapter 608 to get a better sense of what I'm envisioning. Obito shoots fumas at Kakashi=>Kakashi blocks with mud wall=> Obito runs towards Kakashi, grabs a fuma shuriken stuck in the wall and phases through the wall. During this time Kakashi is making a clone and going underground.=>Kakashi clone is only a few feet away from the wall so Obito attacks it with the fuma shuriken in his hand. This causes Obito to be electrocuted and stuns him, giving Kakashi the time he needs to Raikiri Obito. Chapter 422 does a good job of showing how this works. Asura path is stunned by the lightning clone and gets smashed by Choji's dad. Chapter 423 shows the speed at which Kakashi can attack from underground.

[BMC1994]

Would being 'electrocuted' really prevent obito from phasing? Because it doesnt require movement/handseals/action like other jutsu. Hence being stunned having little to no effect the way i see it)

[Godaime Kazekage]

Would being 'electrocuted' really prevent obito from phasing? Because it doesnt require movement/handseals/action like other jutsu. Hence being stunned having little to no effect the way i see it)

I think so. A full body electric shock would affect the nervous system and Obito would be stunned from the attack in not only a physical sense, but a mental sense as well. Even if he recovered from the mental stun quickly, it would give Kakashi enough time to attack.

[megabbaut]

You guys really need to call him Tobi more often :lol:

[Godaime Kazekage]

You guys really need to call him Tobi more often :lol:

I think that would be kind of pointless since the thread is titled "Kakashi vs. Tobi/Obito". :lol:

[PrinceofPeace]

Guys relax I already proved that obito would not even attack the clone cuz with he sharigan obito would know it is a clone plus obito would not be so reckless with a Kakashi at full health

[Godaime Kazekage]

Guys relax I already proved that obito would not even attack the clone cuz with he sharigan obito would know it is a clone plus obito would not be so reckless with a Kakashi at full health

When did you prove this? Sharingan can't tell the difference between clones and the real thing, hence Sasuke being tricked by Deidara's clay clone. Obito being reckless or not is just your opinion with no evidence to back it up.

[PrinceofPeace]

Erg my B I always get bykugan feats and sharigan feats mixed up.

My other point still stands firm. Obito did that when he was at full health and Kakashi was struggling. Obito is not that overconfident to do that to Kakashi at full health. Also obito wanted him to suffer for what happened to rin. The sceniro is tottLly different. Especially when obito and tobi have no emotional attachments to each other

The plan may work but I don't see obito and Kakashi doing the same thing

[Wooster]

I didn't even think about sending a clone to kamui land. Good idea, Godaime.

Also, byukugan can't see clones either, see Naruto fight. Of course, that requires splitting chakra evenly between you and your clones.

Obito hadn't fought Kakashi until after they had to go toe-to-toe with the Jinchuriki. You can use Kakashi's fatigue against him in a fight vs. Tobi. Kakashi can clearly use kamui loads of times now, and won't just be panting on the ground as a fire wall comes at him. Kakashi could send some ninja hounds to kamui land too. That would really screw Tobi up :lol: :lol:

[PrinceofPeace]

The bykugan can tell the difference between clones. Just not shadow clones. But water or earth clones they can tell the difference cuz it's not pure chakra... Get it?

Also if the hounds go to kaumi land then tobi pins them down with chains or rods or other weapons

Note: hounds only did damage to someone with eyes closed

[Ninyn]

i agree wit daphne XD

[PrinceofPeace]

I c u value ur life

[Godaime Kazekage]

The bykugan can tell the difference between clones. Just not shadow clones. But water or earth clones they can tell the difference cuz it's not pure chakra... Get it?

Also if the hounds go to kaumi land then tobi pins them down with chains or rods or other weapons

Note: hounds only did damage to someone with eyes closed

That's only if Obito actually goes there himself and he would have to risk the opening created by the extra time it takes to suck himself in, during which Kakashi could attack w/ paper bombs etc. The hounds can attack Obito "parts" with impunity if he's still in the real world and phasing through Kakashi's attacks.

Bolded section: Are you implying that the hounds can't hurt people who don't have closed eyes? Dogs have teeth-it hurts when they bite you whether you have eyeballs or not.;) They would most likely be attacking parts of Obito anyway.

[PrinceofPeace]

Tobi can go underground in kaumiland right.
Also they are just dogs with tobs speed and strength he has the advantage

[Wooster]

If Kakashi kamuied the entire pack to magical boxland. Tobi really would be screwed. It would be seven dogs biting the ;);););) out of whatever part popped up there. :lol:

Heck Kakashi coudl send one of his regular clones there too just for safe keeping.

[PrinceofPeace]

Tobi would not just stand there and watch he can go to kaumiland and prepare for the hounds and attack them with tools they are just summoning a so it's a 1-hit Ko

[Wooster]

Leaving Tobi without his best defense phasing. If he cannot fight with phasing he loses. Also remember, Tobi has never been shown to warp attacks to kamui land, thus, we must assume he cannot. That means his battle strength is even weaker in kamui land.

AND even if he does defeat the clones and and hounds in kamui land that gives Kakashi ample time to prepare traps such as lightning clones, hiding in the ground for Tobi's return. No, Tobi must win another way other than trying to sweep clean the magical boxland.

[PrinceofPeace]

I concede (with original OP obito wins and I was just going on that) GG

[Wooster]

I never said Kakashi wins, I just think your argument is wrong. `:P

Sad, I thought this was close but no one really bothered to argue besides you.

[PrinceofPeace]

Well kakashi has more feats and got a lot of power ups so... yeah

[Wooster]

But Tobi has Uchihax. :ugeek:

[BMC1994]

One could argue that obito stomps due to 6 paths (which everyone randomly forgets about) i mean they are a part of tobis moveset.

[PrinceofPeace]

you mean jinjurki? Most of rinnegan feats are un shown

[Wooster]

One could argue that obito stomps due to 6 paths (which everyone randomly forgets about) i mean they are a part of tobis moveset.
Nope, Tobi has never shown the ability to use any of the Paths; therefore, he cannot. It is even in the OP. :p

[BMC1994]

Nope, Tobi has never shown the ability to use any of the Paths; therefore, he cannot. It is even in the OP. :p

Didnt mean the rinnegan paths but the jinchuriki.

[Wooster]

No again. The are in the Jyuubi, which is now Madara's. Current manga rules.
If you mean the actual jinchuriki hosts, those are Kabuto's. Tobi can't summon them.